Because "Window" Washer PCXL will be challenged by MS. Soon thereafter your Windows(tm)Washing Robot will explode from a Blue Screen of Death and burn your house down.
Ah, but the ELUA says you can't sue M$ for damages.
becuause you and every moderator who modded me "overrated" are not taking into account Longhorn and the single most important reason Miguel is working on Mono.
Miguel understands that Longhorn's ability to ship code over the net into a security sandbox will be a powerful way to deliver applications.
Gripe all you want about AWT (which does suck), but applets were and are a good idea. Instead of having to install a large monolithic program and continually upgrade/patch said program, you would merely download certain pieces at a time as needed. Broadband now accounts for over 50% of the internet connections in America. The bandwith is there, and will certainly be there in '07 when Longhorn is shipping.
The business environment will be the first to make use of this new Office suite. There's no reason MS Office cannot be centrally located in an enterprise. In fact, it's a good idea. And since you're downloading code only, your data is not being sent over the internet to MS's servers.
Sandboxed code in Longhorn. That's where MS is heading. An MS server will send code to an MS client, bundled nicely in a security sandbox.
Just because my post wasn't anti-Microsoft I got modded down from +4 Insightful for seeing MS's move to my base Karma post of 2. Sorry. Next time I'll bash more.
don't forget about Longhorn. Think about how much sense it makes for Microsoft to ship sandboxed code over the net running on an desktop that can readily accept it?
It's like the Java Web Start, only from MS. You open an app, download it (single version to work on, no more multiple versions, all updates happen for everyone at once), run the app locally thanks to sandboxed code via Longhorn, save documents locally (no longer a security threat by giving MS your docs), and MS charges you a nice-and-steady subscription fee instead of making money selling licensenses.
MS has for a long time been trying for a while to switch to a subscription-based service instead of a licensed-based one. This move would allow that.
Also, Bill G. recognizes
that the medium itself is but the vessel. What goes in the vessel is the future. MS wants to sell you the server OS that gives MS content (Office and other apps) to a MS desktop, all bundled nicely together with Longhorn and the ability to ship sandboxed code over the 'net.
Let's not forget the reason we all moved to webapps in the first place: single distribution that updates for everyone at once. No more multiple versions and testing on all sorts of configurations. The next version will be the single one they keep on the server, and the configuration will be the IE web browser.
MS Office over the internet will succeed where the Java Web Start failed. Soon to follow will be the anti-virus guys, because it's already here and I'm sure TrendMicro would also like to dump the development costs of a desktop client for an all web one.
The owners of those plants are so heavily leveraged, subsidized, and given tax writeoffs that they can actually make money by losing money.
can you back that up at all?
Technology advance or limitation has very little effect on market price.
bullshit! are you trolling? Technological advances go hand-in-hand with prices. Look at Henry Ford and the assembly line which dramatically reduced the price of cars. Look no further than the computer in front of you. Technological advances put a PC on your desktop at a very affordable price.... you're not typing this from a greenscreen connected to a mainframe, are you?
To be fair you wrongly assume that Oil companies could not make any money from solar power
I never said that. My thread was about generating electrical power. I am very interested in the work being done with hybrid cars and solar panels that allow excess electricity to be sold back to the power grid. Someone in this thread posted links to websites with information about the vehicle-to-grid transfer.
My entire point was that having millions and millions and millions of cars and homes generating electrical power and selling that power back to the grid is a Very Good Thing. Just as distributed computing creates more CPU cycles for a task (a la SETI) than several mainframes, I believe that distributed power generation could produce more electricty more cleanly and safely than our current system of fossil fuel power plants. Then I made the point that power companies wouldn't want this for all the reasons I have already discussed.
I wonder how long you can beat at a device like this in a server environment before it croaks. I'd give it no more than a year life expectancy, but hey, I'm feeling pessimistic.
You got modded to +3 without giving a single reason why you think it would croak in a server environment, and here I am not using my mod points on this discussion because I feel the need to ask you to elaborate.
1. No tin-foil hat thinking in my post. That fact is that there are many billions of dollars tied up in coal/oil power plants. The owners of these would not want distributed solar power generating the bulk of the electricity for the people. And to be fair to the "evil corporations", lots and lots of jobs are created with those billions of invested dollars in these plants. These are natural incentives to lobby against distributed solar power.
2. The technological challenges are not "minimal" if we've nearly tapped out how far our solar materials can go. If we've reached the peak of what it can do, then the cost per kW of electricty if way too high. The huge technological challenge of boosting the efficiency of solar panels while simultaneously bringing down the price is a requirement before any advances in this field can be made. Like you said, it may take many years for a solar investment on my house to pay off. That would need to change before I did it, and I'm part of the masses.
3. Your last paragraph is entirely FUD. I never blamed anything on Bush or cronyism, nor did I allude to raising taxes to subsidize solar research.
I do agree with you that oil/coal powerplants are currently the easiest and cheapest way to generated kilowatts. That's why it's still producing the bulk of our electricity. NIMBY (Not In My Backyard) prevents greater use of nuclear power in the U.S. In this single instance, the U.S. can learn a lot from France (I can't believe I actually said that...), a country where 80%+ of the power is generated by nukes.
I was recently reading about hybrid cars that would be able to sell their excess electricity back to the power grid. Likewise for solar panels on homes. The energy generated would be used to heat water and whatnot, then the rest feeds back into the grid, causing the power meter to run backwards a bit and reduce your bill.
Like distributed computing, I think distributed power generation would work amazingly well. If there were millions and millions of homes generating power alongside our power plants (nukes, not dirty fossil fuel plants), we could achieve energy independence from foreign nations, reduce fossil fuel dependence, and reduce greenhouse gas emissions from oil/coal buring powerplants.
The challenges are difficult to overcome, however.
The big oil and gas companies, of course, would lobby against any distributed power generation. I'm sure they don't want millions of solar powered homes. There is no money in it for them.
Solar panels are, I think, relatively inefficient and expensive. Their efficacy would need to be boosted and the price would have to go down.
I can see a day, though, when everyone is generating everyone's power through distributed generation. It's cheaper, greener, and it just makes sense... which is probably why it will never happen.
You can put Java on your resume to get the job, and then use Python to glue components together!
All kidding aside, I am currently working on a pretty complex java project. I've written various small programs as utilities, and these programs would have been better off as scripts accessing some of the java classes I had already written.
The downside of java -- in this circumstance --- was having to deal with classpath and compiling cycles and whatnot. What I really wanted was to write the program/script easily, have it leverage what I had already done, and not bloat the resulting.jar files with little utility programs that would be better off as scripts.
I learned Python a little too late for this project, but you can bet your ass Jython will be embedded in my next.
and it should be picked up by Linux desktop developers.
Truly and indeed, the very first experience a user has when booting up for the first time is the lasting impression that the user will have of the computer.
More emphasis should be placed on ease-of-use and the Out-of-Box Experience.
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Once someone learns to use a computer with {Win/Mac/Linux OS}, they will likely never change.
Selling ridiculously cheap machines that automagically do everything (connect to the internet, read pics from your digital camera, etc.) will capture a large share of newbies that do not yet own a computer. If these people never change their OS too, then we will see an increase in Linux desktops.
Easy is the key. Price is secondary but extremely important.
MS has no where to go but down. That's one of the disadvantages of having a monoply.
How much did it cost M$ to hobble it so that only 3 proggies would run? Was that investment really worth the fucking horrible marketing campaign that would have to accompany this gimp? I mean, knowingly, willfully, and outrageously selling a piece of crap like XP-Express would require some serious spin from the PR folks in Redmond.
If I lived in a country targeted for this release, I would still use a pirated copy of Windows. Why pay money for something nearly useless when I can get something nearly useful for free? This will not stop piracy.
if this is so -- and it is a very good theory -- then O'Keefe was being deliciously devious.
But that theory would also imply that he really wanted Hubble to stay in service. Anything less (like, say, he is neutral on HST), then he blundered. He would have blundered because he must not have expected such public reaction and had to do an abrupt 'about face' on the issue. So, if he must be pro-HST, then he gambled mightily because if there was no public outcry, then he might have lost Hubble.
Schwartz's blog and just about every press announcement from Sun lately seems to be nothing but smoke-up-my-ass vaporware and/or hollow promises.
You can consider that sentence flamebait or you can take it is my open letter to Sun to "Put up or Shut up". I, for one, would like to see some more follow-through on many of these announcements, like an open source Java and Solaris.
I'm quite glad that public outcry over abandoning Hubble has changed NASA's plan for the space telescope.
It was poor timing on NASA's part, really, because just when the latest and greatest pics from Hubble were gaining mass popularity, they wanted to pull the plug. Maybe O'Keefe isn't the savviest politician?
The HST is one of the coolest tools we have for exploration. I'm rather glad that it will be serviced, and thanks to our country's hat (Canada) for stepping up.
I somehow doubt that the Next Big Thing in software will be something that would require selling of licenses to change the internet.
I think Google is a fantastic example. They use commoditized hardware and open source software. They built a better mousetrap in a world full of entrenched corporate behemoths.
The Next Big Thing will come from someone enterprising who can use the tools and open internet standards to create the next Google. You won't have to worry about selling licenses if that person is you.
There is a lot to learn from books. In fact, books form the backbone of the college lecture, so it is plausible that a sufficiently motivated student can learn everything there is from the books w/o the need for the accompanying lecture. I've learned computer languages from books, as well as more abstract things like design patterns.
That said, I wish I had gotten a comp sci degree. I think it would have been much more "hands on" than my poli sci degree and would have been equally as interesting. As it was, I learned programming by myself, motivated by the many luminaries who said that many great hackers are self-taught. Nevertheless, I would have appreciated a general OS class, an algorithms class, or learning how to make a language with accompanying compiler. I'd love to learn how to make a runtime like Java or Python. I can code in Java and Python, but I want to understand the guts of it.
These are a few examples of things I think one would learn with a comp sci degree.
I agree with you. I think it would take some kind of hugely cosmic event to bring humanity together. It would need to be something like "Independence Day". I doubt human nature would let us band together after a "First Contact" type of situation.
Moreover, would we want aliens to come here? European settlers ravaged indigenous cultures in the Americas not by bullets but with new diseases that the natives were not ready for. I can only imagine that human immune systems wouldn't be ready for diseases brought by alien races.
for every one system we know of, there are one billion that we don't. It's a little premature to say we're unique when we have such little data to work with.
How many times did they drop the term "child porn" in that letter? It's a strawman. It's worded like a political statement, designed to evoke maximum emotion to make the people think P2P is bad, and all the while the **AA are pulling their strings.
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You didn't RTFA!!!11!!111! oh, wait, "the digital text isn't available on the web yet"
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Ah, but the ELUA says you can't sue M$ for damages.
and 1 jackass with a free iPod sign.
Why, no, I'm feeling less than special to M$.
Miguel understands that Longhorn's ability to ship code over the net into a security sandbox will be a powerful way to deliver applications.
Gripe all you want about AWT (which does suck), but applets were and are a good idea. Instead of having to install a large monolithic program and continually upgrade/patch said program, you would merely download certain pieces at a time as needed. Broadband now accounts for over 50% of the internet connections in America. The bandwith is there, and will certainly be there in '07 when Longhorn is shipping.
The business environment will be the first to make use of this new Office suite. There's no reason MS Office cannot be centrally located in an enterprise. In fact, it's a good idea. And since you're downloading code only, your data is not being sent over the internet to MS's servers.
Sandboxed code in Longhorn. That's where MS is heading. An MS server will send code to an MS client, bundled nicely in a security sandbox.
Just because my post wasn't anti-Microsoft I got modded down from +4 Insightful for seeing MS's move to my base Karma post of 2. Sorry. Next time I'll bash more.
It's like the Java Web Start, only from MS. You open an app, download it (single version to work on, no more multiple versions, all updates happen for everyone at once), run the app locally thanks to sandboxed code via Longhorn, save documents locally (no longer a security threat by giving MS your docs), and MS charges you a nice-and-steady subscription fee instead of making money selling licensenses.
Also, Bill G. recognizes that the medium itself is but the vessel. What goes in the vessel is the future. MS wants to sell you the server OS that gives MS content (Office and other apps) to a MS desktop, all bundled nicely together with Longhorn and the ability to ship sandboxed code over the 'net.
Let's not forget the reason we all moved to webapps in the first place: single distribution that updates for everyone at once. No more multiple versions and testing on all sorts of configurations. The next version will be the single one they keep on the server, and the configuration will be the IE web browser.
MS Office over the internet will succeed where the Java Web Start failed. Soon to follow will be the anti-virus guys, because it's already here and I'm sure TrendMicro would also like to dump the development costs of a desktop client for an all web one.
This one is a good call by MS.
can you back that up at all?
Technology advance or limitation has very little effect on market price.
bullshit! are you trolling? Technological advances go hand-in-hand with prices. Look at Henry Ford and the assembly line which dramatically reduced the price of cars. Look no further than the computer in front of you. Technological advances put a PC on your desktop at a very affordable price.... you're not typing this from a greenscreen connected to a mainframe, are you?
To be fair you wrongly assume that Oil companies could not make any money from solar power
I never said that. My thread was about generating electrical power. I am very interested in the work being done with hybrid cars and solar panels that allow excess electricity to be sold back to the power grid. Someone in this thread posted links to websites with information about the vehicle-to-grid transfer.
My entire point was that having millions and millions and millions of cars and homes generating electrical power and selling that power back to the grid is a Very Good Thing. Just as distributed computing creates more CPU cycles for a task (a la SETI) than several mainframes, I believe that distributed power generation could produce more electricty more cleanly and safely than our current system of fossil fuel power plants. Then I made the point that power companies wouldn't want this for all the reasons I have already discussed.
You got modded to +3 without giving a single reason why you think it would croak in a server environment, and here I am not using my mod points on this discussion because I feel the need to ask you to elaborate.
2. The technological challenges are not "minimal" if we've nearly tapped out how far our solar materials can go. If we've reached the peak of what it can do, then the cost per kW of electricty if way too high. The huge technological challenge of boosting the efficiency of solar panels while simultaneously bringing down the price is a requirement before any advances in this field can be made. Like you said, it may take many years for a solar investment on my house to pay off. That would need to change before I did it, and I'm part of the masses.
3. Your last paragraph is entirely FUD. I never blamed anything on Bush or cronyism, nor did I allude to raising taxes to subsidize solar research.
I do agree with you that oil/coal powerplants are currently the easiest and cheapest way to generated kilowatts. That's why it's still producing the bulk of our electricity. NIMBY (Not In My Backyard) prevents greater use of nuclear power in the U.S. In this single instance, the U.S. can learn a lot from France (I can't believe I actually said that...), a country where 80%+ of the power is generated by nukes.
Like distributed computing, I think distributed power generation would work amazingly well. If there were millions and millions of homes generating power alongside our power plants (nukes, not dirty fossil fuel plants), we could achieve energy independence from foreign nations, reduce fossil fuel dependence, and reduce greenhouse gas emissions from oil/coal buring powerplants.
The challenges are difficult to overcome, however.
The big oil and gas companies, of course, would lobby against any distributed power generation. I'm sure they don't want millions of solar powered homes. There is no money in it for them.
Solar panels are, I think, relatively inefficient and expensive. Their efficacy would need to be boosted and the price would have to go down.
I can see a day, though, when everyone is generating everyone's power through distributed generation. It's cheaper, greener, and it just makes sense... which is probably why it will never happen.
HA! HA!
I use Eclipse, and I ran into all those issues when my little utility programs were ready to deploy.
You can put Java on your resume to get the job, and then use Python to glue components together!
All kidding aside, I am currently working on a pretty complex java project. I've written various small programs as utilities, and these programs would have been better off as scripts accessing some of the java classes I had already written.
The downside of java -- in this circumstance --- was having to deal with classpath and compiling cycles and whatnot. What I really wanted was to write the program/script easily, have it leverage what I had already done, and not bloat the resulting .jar files with little utility programs that would be better off as scripts.
I learned Python a little too late for this project, but you can bet your ass Jython will be embedded in my next.
Truly and indeed, the very first experience a user has when booting up for the first time is the lasting impression that the user will have of the computer.
More emphasis should be placed on ease-of-use and the Out-of-Box Experience.
Selling ridiculously cheap machines that automagically do everything (connect to the internet, read pics from your digital camera, etc.) will capture a large share of newbies that do not yet own a computer. If these people never change their OS too, then we will see an increase in Linux desktops.
Easy is the key. Price is secondary but extremely important.
MS has no where to go but down. That's one of the disadvantages of having a monoply.
If I lived in a country targeted for this release, I would still use a pirated copy of Windows. Why pay money for something nearly useless when I can get something nearly useful for free? This will not stop piracy.
But that theory would also imply that he really wanted Hubble to stay in service. Anything less (like, say, he is neutral on HST), then he blundered. He would have blundered because he must not have expected such public reaction and had to do an abrupt 'about face' on the issue. So, if he must be pro-HST, then he gambled mightily because if there was no public outcry, then he might have lost Hubble.
You can consider that sentence flamebait or you can take it is my open letter to Sun to "Put up or Shut up". I, for one, would like to see some more follow-through on many of these announcements, like an open source Java and Solaris.
It was poor timing on NASA's part, really, because just when the latest and greatest pics from Hubble were gaining mass popularity, they wanted to pull the plug. Maybe O'Keefe isn't the savviest politician?
The HST is one of the coolest tools we have for exploration. I'm rather glad that it will be serviced, and thanks to our country's hat (Canada) for stepping up.
I think Google is a fantastic example. They use commoditized hardware and open source software. They built a better mousetrap in a world full of entrenched corporate behemoths.
The Next Big Thing will come from someone enterprising who can use the tools and open internet standards to create the next Google. You won't have to worry about selling licenses if that person is you.
That said, I wish I had gotten a comp sci degree. I think it would have been much more "hands on" than my poli sci degree and would have been equally as interesting. As it was, I learned programming by myself, motivated by the many luminaries who said that many great hackers are self-taught. Nevertheless, I would have appreciated a general OS class, an algorithms class, or learning how to make a language with accompanying compiler. I'd love to learn how to make a runtime like Java or Python. I can code in Java and Python, but I want to understand the guts of it.
These are a few examples of things I think one would learn with a comp sci degree.
Moreover, would we want aliens to come here? European settlers ravaged indigenous cultures in the Americas not by bullets but with new diseases that the natives were not ready for. I can only imagine that human immune systems wouldn't be ready for diseases brought by alien races.
for every one system we know of, there are one billion that we don't. It's a little premature to say we're unique when we have such little data to work with.
How many times did they drop the term "child porn" in that letter? It's a strawman. It's worded like a political statement, designed to evoke maximum emotion to make the people think P2P is bad, and all the while the **AA are pulling their strings.
You didn't RTFA!!!11!!111! oh, wait, "the digital text isn't available on the web yet"