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We the Media

The Importance of writes "Tech columnist (for the San Jose Mercury News) Dan Gillmor is a journalist who gets it. You may not always agree with every detail of his reporting, but he clearly has a deep understanding of what is important and what is not in the technology world. And, because he is a trained writer, he knows how to explain it well. Of course, he'll probably end up most famous for what he doesn't know, as in his self-proclaimed mantra: "the readers know more than I do." In large part, his new book, We the Media: Grassroots Journalism by the People, for the People, is about what happens to journalism when technology reveals the truth of Gillmor's mantra." We the Media: Grassroots Journalism by the People, for the People author Dan Gillmor pages 299 publisher O'Reilly rating 9 reviewer The Importance Of ISBN 0596007337 summary The revolution in media and what it means for journalism.

The main focus of We the Media is the ongoing revolution in journalism, but it is much broader than that. It is about media and communication in general. It is a report in mid-2004 on many of the predictions that Marshall McLuhan made in the 1960s and 70s about how technology will change the way we communicate for good and ill.

It's actually somewhat difficult to write, precisely, what the book is about. Gillmor has taken a diverse range of subjects from technology, to politics, and law, from blogging to broadcast and spread spectrum, and combined them into a compelling and provocative narrative. The ideas come fast and furious, but Gillmor's writing talent keeps the reader on track. In fact, there are so many concepts discussed that there really is not enough room to summarize them all in this review.

Instead, it is probably easier to talk about who the book is for. Gillmor sets it out in his introduction: journalists, newsmakers and the people formerly known as "the audience."

Journalists

Very simply, We the Media should be required reading in journalism schools for students and professors. I'm serious. If you're a publisher, editor, or an actual breathing reporter, and you want to get up to speed on what is happening to your profession, you need to read this book.

Revolutionary shifts don't usually happen overnight, and the one in journalism that Gillmor describes didn't either. He briefly sketches a progression of changes from revolutionary era newspapers and pamphleteers to the increasing centralization of corporate media behemoths in the 20th century. However, there is a day he can point to when the latest shift became pretty obvious. That day was Sept 11, 2001. That was the day that personal media, through email lists and websites, became an important way for the story to get out.

Personally, I was at a public television conference in Wisconsin. Many of the attendees were journalists for local PBS affiliates. Connected to the net in the conference room, I was getting news through Slashdot because most of the major media websites were down, and the broadcast news was simply playing video of the attacks over and over. Soon, many of the other attendees were also checking Slashdot for links to and mirrors of the news gathered by Slashdot's readers. That may not seem like a big deal, but as Gillmor relates, similar things were taking place in many other net forums. The importance of these alternate news sites has continued (you're reading this aren't you?).

Because the whole book is about journalism, it is a bit hard to pick out more highlights, but Gillmor does begin his chapter on "Professional Journalists Joining the Conversation" with a Slashdot anecdote concerning Jane's Intelligence Review thanking the Slashdot community for pointing out the flaws in a proposed article on cyberterrorism back in 1999. Actually, much of what Gillmor is talking about is basically how journalists can be more like Jane's - working with and taking advantage of the fact that the audience knows more than the publication.

Newsmakers

If you are a politician, CEO or advisor to similar, you should probably read this book as well. In many ways, journalists are middlemen, connecting those making news with those who want to learn the news. One of the things technology is enabling is the ability of newsmakers to connect directly with their audience in many ways. Of course, as Gillmor documents, many businessmen and politicians don't really understand how to communicate through this new medium properly. Nevertheless, there are lessons that can be learned from the mistakes as well as some positive examples of those who've used new technologies successfully.

The People Formerly Known as "The Audience"

Basically, everybody who comments down below this review is participating in it. You're not simply an audience; you're co-authors of this review. What I'm writing here is only a starting point for the conversation. If you're interested in becoming a more active participant, in learning more about the role the once-passive, now-proactive audience is playing in creating, editing and filtering media, then you probably want to read this book too. We're all journalists now.

Free As in Speech (and Beer)

The book has an Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.0 Creative Commons license. The digital text isn't available on the web yet, but should be very soon. Expect a profusion of formats, audio versions, translations, and wikis to follow. One thought of mine is that classes of journalism students should be regularly given an assignment to keep the book up-to-date.

We the Media also has a weblog, which will be a good place to keep track of the book as it develops. Just because a book has been published doesn't mean it has finished changing.

You can purchase We the Media: Grassroots Journalism by the People, for the People from bn.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews. To see your own review here, carefully read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page.

100 comments

  1. "you're co-authors of this review." by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you haven't read the book? That's the problem with most blogs. Everyone's opinion is not news.

    1. Re:"you're co-authors of this review." by joe270 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think that you are right in that the most important thing about getting news (or any information) is to separate the facts from people's perceptions of things. This is an inherently difficult task because everyone communicates only what they perceive. The great thing about /. in particular is that the moderation system helps to promote opinions or comments that are factual or insightful in some way. Everyone still is responisible for filtering the opinions of others so that they can form their own more informed opinion.

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    2. Re:"you're co-authors of this review." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Blogs are going to change the world. Example:

      OLD, TIRED MEDIA: "The Associated Press reported that Saddam Hussein was captured yesterday by American forces."

      NEW, EXCITING MEDIA: "omg like kos reported that he saw on chris's blog that john trackbacked to mike's journal where he read about bob's girlfriend's brother's cousin who was like watching Fox News (fair and balanced my ass! lol) and they said something about saddam i dunno current music: brittney cleary - im me current mood: corpulent"

      Notice the synergy of information and the ease by which information propagates throughout the blogosphere.

    3. Re:"you're co-authors of this review." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dude I am totally copying this into my blog.

      Comments (0) TrackBack (0)

    4. Re:"you're co-authors of this review." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ok i wil add u 2 my blogroll! how do i do that lol

      ps blogs r cool i think the media will change 4eva thanx 2 them

    5. Re:"you're co-authors of this review." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Creative Commons! Some rights reserved!

      Please note that my comment is protected by a Creative Commons [apzlksmnp33] version 2.45.3-patch1a license. Do not violate the license or the vengeance of the blogosphere will be foisted upon you

    6. Re:"you're co-authors of this review." by kaladorn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hmmm.

      Insightful is clearly a mass perception thing - or at least, something can be individually insightful for N people. Hence a mass can determine if something is (in the large) seen as insightful.

      On the other hand, just because a whole pile of people in a non-random sample population agree that something is factual doesn't actually make it factual or even necessarily more likely that it will be factual.

      Moderation is interesting, but meta-moderation was one of the steps (and I'm sure things will continue to evolve) to address the weaknesses in basic moderation. Obviously, moderation is no Panacea.

      One thing professional news sources can contribute is professional-grade investigative research, proper referencing and citation, along with providing identifiable reporters, employers, etc. thus allowing one a chance to ascertain whose self-interest might be being served, to assess the quality of the research and to evaluate the evidence. Bloggers rarely follow such a rigorous method.

      On the other hand, with the Internet starting to affect the pace of modern news reporting (plus competition and cost cutting and media consolidation), the net effect may be *less* research, less validation, less formal citation, more op-ed pieces disguised as news items (very common today), and less verifiability, identifiability, and accountability overall in the news industry. That's a sad state of affairs, but it seems to be the way the world is going.

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    7. Re:"you're co-authors of this review." by hypergene · · Score: 1

      The amateurish writing found on many blogs is amusing, sometimes refreshing but not an indictment of the potential of participatory journalism. The aptly named "people formally known as the audience" are experimenting in an attempt to find their voice. Until now, news has been spoonfed to them. We can't reasonably expect people to write like the pros - it took them years. But what excites many of us in journalism is that when the right mix of tools, storytelling forms and participation (oh, an encouraging business model would be nice) are found, journalism and democracy are going to get a lot more interesting. Disclaimer: Dan wrote an introduction to a paper I cowrote called We Media

    8. Re:"you're co-authors of this review." by tbannist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "One thing professional news sources can contribute is professional-grade investigative research, proper referencing and citation, along with providing identifiable reporters, employers, etc. thus allowing one a chance to ascertain whose self-interest might be being served, to assess the quality of the research and to evaluate the evidence. Bloggers rarely follow such a rigorous method."

      Actually, professional news sources rarely seem to be rigorous. The exception is magazine articles which usually seem to have been researched and have appropriate references and citations. Newspaper articles are rarely more than either an opinion or a summary. Television is worse, in that it's usually a summary of an opinion.

      I think the difference is the longer publication time means they stop trying to compete on "faster" and instead focus on "better".

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    9. Re:"you're co-authors of this review." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost all blogs are personal web sites, created to satisfy the authors' egos. My question to you: where were all the papers proclaiming a "new Golden Age of publishing" when GeoCities went live about ten years ago?

      MovableType and its I R R I T A T I N G L Y W I D E C A P I T A L - L E T T E R S theme are spreading across the web like wildfire, marking the greatest advance in spam technology since Usenet. It's a Golden Age for a lot of things; reliable journalism is not one of them.

    10. Re:"you're co-authors of this review." by WarMonkey · · Score: 1

      When a child first learns to talk, one should not scold them for failing to immediately deliver fine oratory.

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    11. Re:"you're co-authors of this review." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blogging is a trend, not a child.

      To continue your misguided metaphor: When a child first learns to talk, you should not hold the child up and say "THIS IS THE FUTURE OF MEDIA."

    12. Re:"you're co-authors of this review." by kaladorn · · Score: 1

      I concur. I also find BBC world service and CBC news international (on in the middle of the night) service seem to have a higher standard of presentation and a bit less of the generic regurgitation of news you get on your 6pm network news. (Or ad infinitum on CNN)

      Newsmagazines, investigative report magazines, and TV documentary production (some of the stuff for A&E or the History Channel or the like is better on the factual analysis front) and some websites go a long way towards trying to give the user some pathway for verifiability.

      It is tough as undoubtedly verifiability is oppositional to 'quick' reporting of the news. Maybe we shouldn't be in such a rush for 'the facts' or 'an explanation'. It is human nature, but it militates against good work/journalism.

      Or maybe we should just have our commentators and reporters learn to couch early reports in far more tentative language. They often sound definite, and are definitely wrong. And interesting way around this would be a CRTC or FCC rule saying if you do a story of duration X and blow it, you must spend duration X explaining how you blew it. I suppose that wouldn't work, but half the problem is when media outlets do blow it, their apologies and corrections are on the back page or broadcast at 3am and take about 9 seconds.

      The best approach for now seems to be correlating news stories, trying to backtrack the original source (many net stories originate from one not-necessarily-true root), and alway always be skeptical until something is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt over time and with journalistic rigour.

      Mind you, this takes time and effort and we are the type of folks (in some degree) who aren't ambitious enough to get off the Lazy Boy to change the channel... so we buy a remote....

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    13. Re:"you're co-authors of this review." by the+pickle · · Score: 1

      How much must it suck to be the #1 hit on Google for that search string?

      Thanks for the laugh, man.

      p

  2. Read more about it! by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 3, Funny
    If you are a politician, CEO or advisor to similar, you should probably read this book as well.

    Well, first they should learn to read.

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    1. Re:Read more about it! by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 4, Funny

      Difficult to do with their heads stuffed up their asses.

    2. Re:Read more about it! by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 2

      Huh. Today I was a funny insightful troll.

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    3. Re:Read more about it! by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      50% Funny
      30% Troll
      20% Insightful

      And part of this balanced breakfast

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  3. How apropos... by hubrix · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    that a book praising the waste of time known as Slashdot would get such a stellar review here!!!!

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  4. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And, because he is a trained writer, he knows how to explain it well.

    hopefully better than the reviewer. Why is it that /. reviewers go out of their way in a futile attempt to show their mastery of the English language?

    1. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it that /. reviewers go out of their way in a futile attempt to show their mastery of the English language?

      Because yoda envy they suffer from.

  5. ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personally, I was at a public television conference in Wisconsin. Many of the attendees were journalists for local PBS affiliates. Connected to the net in the conference room, I was getting news through Slashdot because most of the major media websites were down, and the broadcast news was simply playing video of the attacks over and over.

    Go back and read through the comments in those stories. Most, if not all of the 'news' was simply people who were watching TV and typing at what they heard. Not only that, the amount of incorrect news both on Slashdot and on the major media outlets that day was understandably quite large. Slashdot just gave people who weren't there a way to talk and theorize about what was happening. TV was still the best place to get info that day. Slashdot wasn't.

    1. Re:ugh by bobhagopian · · Score: 1

      Connected to the net in the conference room, I was getting news through Slashdot because most of the major media websites were down

      Maybe that's because hordes of people like you were constantly clicking on the links to CNN from /., causing the biggest /. effect in the history of mankind.

    2. Re:ugh by Orne · · Score: 1

      My counter-argument then is that by tapping into the internet and community logs like Slashdot, you have gained access to a distributed television-content relay, which has the ability to convey more information at once in a shorter amount of time than one person can do alone watching news feeds.

      I can only watch one TV channel at a time, two with picture in picture. With a message board, in one refresh, I can see how the news is (1) reported and (2) received in florida, washington, new york, palistine... I may get leads on the story where the news room in Washington has more information about the crash at the pentagon than the other channel who's spending all their time covering the crash in western Pennsylvania... but thoughtful people accross the nation will type what they see into the digest, and I get it all in one HTTP request.

      As for quality of information, just because you saw it reported on TV by a "reputable news source" does not make it fact... what you see is information conveyed to the best of their knowledge at the time the reports were made. And that's not even factoring in outright biases to content delivery...

  6. PDFs available by fdobbie · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can get PDFs of the entire book from http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/wemedia/book/index. csp.

    1. Re:PDFs available by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      #!/usr/bin/sh

      for x in 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12
      do
      wget http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/wemedia/book/ch$x.p df
      done

      wget http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/wemedia/book/epilog ue.pdf

      wget http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/wemedia/book/endnot es.pdf

    2. Re:PDFs available by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Informative

      and then if you use the tools that comes with xpdf you can convert it to ps or TXT format so you can easily convert it to your ebook reader's native format.

      I just converted it to a nice format for the franklin ebookman reader so I can read it on my ride home from work tonight.

      Oh yes, I'm E-V-I-L for doing this. I should be killed by the writers guild and displayed as an example to others...

      bah, to hell with them for not offering a version I can use in my hardware.

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    3. Re:PDFs available by seasleepy · · Score: 1

      Not so much E-V-I-L... the book is licensed under Creative Commons, so you're completely allowed to convert it.

    4. Re:PDFs available by eetu · · Score: 1
      Why not just
      wget -r -Apdf -nd -np http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/wemedia/book/index. csp
      Oh, and
      rm robots.txt
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  7. So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    who will do the hard job? ;)

  8. digital text is available by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    The digital text isn't available on the web yet

    Yes it is, here: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/wemedia/book/

    1. Re:digital text is available by womby · · Score: 1

      just to note, the pdfs went online yesterday, this review probably been in the queue for longer than 1 day.

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  9. cant wait to read this book by leav · · Score: 0

    sound like a winner.....

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  10. McLuhan wasn't exactly right. by scowling · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The medium isn't the message, per se. The message is the message. It doesn't really matter with what edium a message is transmitted; information is information.

    This was reinforced recently by the blogsters at the Democratic Convention. Few said anything of consequence. That what they transmitted was using new media didn't matter. Crap is crap.

    And as such, I don't think I can agree with Gilmour; while September 11 showed that personal media could be an important infotransmission tool, July 2004 showed that it's overrated, and that we still need professionals.

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    1. Re:McLuhan wasn't exactly right. by SandSpider · · Score: 3, Informative

      This was reinforced recently by the blogsters at the Democratic Convention. Few said anything of consequence. That what they transmitted was using new media didn't matter. Crap is crap.

      Okay, so what did the professionals say that was of consequence? Was there any consequential news that came out of the DNC? Were there earth-shattering announcements that were overlooked by the bloggers that people with a professional mindset managed to convey?

      If so, then there is some support for your position, though the fact that it's posted to slashdot gives it a Moderation of Ironic +/- 1. I do agree that the medium is less important than the message, but your arguments about the DNC don't support that proposition. At least, not without additional supporting details.

      And as such, I don't think I can agree with Gilmour; while September 11 showed that personal media could be an important infotransmission tool, July 2004 showed that it's overrated, and that we still need professionals.

      I didn't get the sense from the review that he was saying there will be no more need for Professional journalists. Rather, I was getting the sense that Big Media can no longer make proclamations from the top of the mountain and just let them flow through uncontested. Instead, it's an increasingly 2-way communication, and the smarter professionals will pay attention.

      =Brian

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    2. Re:McLuhan wasn't exactly right. by zors · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You're both right, really. take for example the presidential debate (i think it was nixon and kennedy, not completely sure) which was the first to be broadcasted both on TV and Radio. Radio listeners thought nixon won, tv watchers thought kennedy did. So while the medium isnt the message per se, it can affect perception of the message, which is nearly the same.

    3. Re:McLuhan wasn't exactly right. by wobblie · · Score: 1

      Gee, you just out-argued a brilliant argument with a bunch of half thought out crap.

      Not.

      Read McLuhan a little more honestly next time, if you even bothered.

    4. Re:McLuhan wasn't exactly right. by daniil · · Score: 1
      This was reinforced recently by the blogsters at the Democratic Convention. Few said anything of consequence. That what they transmitted was using new media didn't matter. Crap is crap.

      McLuhan would, of course, say that it was crap precicely because it was transmitted using the blog medium: no sound, no video, probably no photos, either; only amateurish reporting in text only (note that i haven't read any of those bloggers, so i have no idea what i'm talking about). And that it was because those bloggers failed to understand that, because of its nature, the blog medium is better for discussing things than reporting. Slashdot (and "Slashdot groupthink"), of course, being a great example of this.

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    5. Re:McLuhan wasn't exactly right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your first eight words were right, anyway.

    6. Re:McLuhan wasn't exactly right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I figure that I can post this again, since I love seeing people waste their mod points, and maybe they'll do it again.

      Your first eight words were right, anyway.

    7. Re:McLuhan wasn't exactly right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe it was just the more dyed-in-the-wool kennedy fans had tvs.

      /mutters something about correlation and causation
    8. Re:McLuhan wasn't exactly right. by zogger · · Score: 1

      --you are correct. I watched it on the TV. Nixon had refused makeup and looked grayed out, that was part of why he apparently "lost" the debate. The other part was just that JFK was a very eloquent speaker compared to him (IMO).

    9. Re:McLuhan wasn't exactly right. by wobblie · · Score: 1

      You know what? You're a fucking jackass.

      Boy, aren't you smart! You said "McLuhan" and even better, you said "per se." What a fuckin genius you are, twit boy. I'm completely fucking sick of fucking self important twit assed nerds. You know what? You are all insipid, hopeless pieces of shit and your disgusting, hopelessly vapid blogging habits prove it for all to see. Everyone always knew you geeks were boring ass twits and now your google-fucking(TM) MT blogs prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

      "Oh, I don't think McLuhan was right, the message is the message" oh, gee, brilliant. Hold on while I fucking piss on you, you ignorant fucking twit. Nevermind that the point of his statement was about the very nature of imagery vs typography or anything like that you blogging, boring fuck.

      Why don't you FUCKING BLOGGING MORONS stick to posting your interminable, vomitous, execrable dribble about how someone at the grocery store today got in the express line with - gasp - sixteen items, or that you cut your toenails, or got your cat neutered, or some other equally insipid drivel on your fucking crap ass BLOGS (protected by Creative Commons licences no less!) where we can all safely avoid it?

      In the meantime, please, for god's sake, refrain from having an opinion on anything, because you will only prove yourself even more annoying.

  11. Now that would be an interesting change! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I studied Journalism in college, and I don't recall a single instance where we were taught to consider an audience with more education and experience than the reporter. Matter of fact, everything seemed to boil down to taking a complicated story and making it understandable by the average reader. It wasn't purposely arrogant, but you can imagine how the result would parallel condescension.

    That methodology worked better when I studied (in the 80's), but today's plastic surgery-riddled TV boneheads don't have a clue.

    1. Re:Now that would be an interesting change! by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...and the "plastic surgery-riddled TV boneheads" probably don't write a single scrap of news, either.

      I'm currently a professional technology writer/editor and my mandate is still to boil down and synthesize complex topics and make them readable, understandable, and as engaging to readers as possible. I don't see how anybody could find fault in that.

      What sense does it make to consider an audience with more education and experience than the reporter? Why on earth would those people read the article?

      Fans of the Web and the Internet at large love to repeat over and over how it's going to revolutionize everything. Maybe it is -- but for some reason, that always seems to boil down to knocking somebody off some perceived pedestal. "Oh that guy doesn't know anything, he made this mistake here and I bet twenty other people on the Internet can point out others." Great. But the Internet isn't revolutionizing anything here. There have always been people who say things like that, and there's even a name for them: armchair critics. Their presence does not take away the need for well-informed, insightful, accurate, and well-written journalism.

      Journalism as a "conversation" or a "seminar" sounds really nice and new-agey. If that always worked, I guess it would be pretty great. As a counter-example, I could give Slashdot. If a cacophony of voices is all you really need to get your information, why is everyone always yelling "RTFA"?

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    2. Re:Now that would be an interesting change! by strudeau · · Score: 2, Insightful
      What sense does it make to consider an audience with more education and experience than the reporter? Why on earth would those people read the article?

      Haven't read (much of) the book, yet, but I took this as the collective audience knows more than the reporte -- which is almost certainly true for any given topic -- not each and every individual reader. E.g., if you're a local reporter writing about a park proposal, many people in your audience are going to know more about various aspects of the proposal (e.g., the history of the location; environmental concerns related to; internal parks commission politics; etc.) -- and while some of your sources will help fill those gaps, you'll never be able to dig up everything as a reporter -- and now that's ok, because your audience can participate and help show you where you go wrong or point out pieces that you missed, etc.

      Blogs, etc. aren't replacing traditional journalism, but they are changing it.

    3. Re:Now that would be an interesting change! by idiotnot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But see, put on your analytical cap for a second, and consider the author. He writes about technical issues, but he's not one who develops in the field. In fact, I'd venture to say that his audience is quite narrow, being mainly restricted to the people who have an interest in the technology field.

      Ever read an agribusiness periodical? I often don't have a clue what they're talking about. Am I a proficient enough reporter to be able to grasp the issues after research, and write a story? You bet. But the farmer in the field, and the guy in the seed store would still know more than I do, and if I make a mistake, they'd nail me on it quickly.

      Your training, as most "journalism" (a term I despise, actually) programs do, focused on the mass-media side of things. The arrogance that exists, and you now see stems from the idea that the media is a) omniscent, and b) totally objective. Neither is true. Once you jettison those two dated notions, you can get down to real quality reporting. There is nothing wrong with admitting that you can't paint the full picture of a story with the information you have available. "Journalists" seem awfully reluctant to do that. So they reach and draw conclusions that can't be supported (gotta answer the "why" question, even if you don't know). If you do that too often, and your readers have a clue, you won't have a job very long.

    4. Re:Now that would be an interesting change! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What sense does it make to consider an audience with more education and experience than the reporter? Why on earth would those people read the article?

      Please re-read that paragraph again. And again, if
      necessary. Sooner or later, you'll realize what a
      dumbass statement that is.

      Hint: there's a reason news is called News.

    5. Re:Now that would be an interesting change! by zogger · · Score: 1

      I think you are minimalizing the influence of "others", the non professionals, on internet publishing in general. and it's also a numbers game, writing and being published in a manner is now open to all, it is no longer limited to the professional "elite", and these same are still coming to grips with that reality. No matter how well educated and technical one is, there could very well be several people better who might read and comment on your writing and conclusions.

      As to "news", no matter how much the mainstream corporate propoganda media arms might report on a subject, there might be several other real time points of view and observations on the same topic. For instance, I read frequently on western press websites about the fighting in iraq, then I go read it from a pro "insurgents" point of view. Well, on their side they are freedom fighters repelling a foreign invader, they aren't "insurgents". The same battles read quite differently sometimes, and even the facts are reported differently, such as actual wounded and killed, armor destroyed and how,etc. And look how much the "approved" media still will report outright lies without much comment and act as tools, the fake fat osama video is a good example, the TWA 800 shootdown is another. No better than rote parrots, almost the lot of them in the professional reporters guilds.

      The internet IS busting up the older ways of doing things and eliminating the closed nature of reporting and writing in general. It will take some time to shake out, but it is similar to when printing presses became common, all of a sudden a lot more people could be heard from, the good and the bad and the mediocre. We are getting the same now, and attrition will negate consistently "bad" reporting and writing eventually. I DO know I'm getting some good writings from non mainstream "media" types, essential good information which is critical to know and think about. If I had to rely entirely on just a few large media outlets, it would be as skewed as it ever was, speaking as a serious news junky since the 50s. There have been very few non co-opted mainstream "journalists", print or broadcast in the US-very few.

      As to slashdot, the articles are read here,by some smart people, it is relatively easy to skim over trivial and troll posts and get to some decent meat on your plate. Or have you forgotten "the slashdot effect"? That wouldn't happen and wouldn't exist as a commonly used phrase here if people weren't clicking over to the reference URL.

      You cannot come to a full conclusion without accepting the full set of data, just picking and choosing and seeing things in an absolutist fashion based on incomplete acceptance of the data available is, at least, disingenuous.

    6. Re:Now that would be an interesting change! by csguy314 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What sense does it make to consider an audience with more education and experience than the reporter? Why on earth would those people read the article?

      Perhaps they read it to find out what's "new". That's generally what the news is supposed to talk about right? If I happen to know a lot more about a particular subject than someone else, but I've just been out of touch for the past few [hours|days|weeks] then I may not have heard something that others have.
      Disseminating the contextual relationship this new information has with what I, or an expert, already happens to know may be useful for the general public, especially if it's dumbed down. But as long as the new information is presented in a useful manner, then any expert can benefit from it as well.

      --
      This is left as an exercise for the reader.
  12. Reminds me of a Despair.com poster by nekoniku · · Score: 4, Funny
    --
    "It's a wonderful idea. But it doesn't work." -- Tad Danielewski
  13. Crap is crap by fleener · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I agree, crap is crap. Professional news media will always have a place because they employ trained writers. I'll read a blog for fun, or because I know the blogger personally, or because I have an intense interest in a specific blog topic. But if I'm reading hard news or human interest pieces, I am *not* going to entertain an unfocused run-on stream of thought -- which is what many bloggers write.

    More importantly, with a professional news organization, I know who I am dealing with. Too many online entries -- from blog postings to product reviews -- are not authenticated. I know who the editor is of my local newspaper and I know the corporation and politics of the company who owns the newspaper. I'll take that over Joe Schmoe because I don't know which axe he's grinding.

    1. Re:Crap is crap by oneishy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Good point about reading a specific blog topic. There are a few people of whoom I read their articles (read:blog) regularly, but in general I could care less about blogs.

      I have made it a goal in my blog to actually write about relevant, or new information, code tips, projects, etc.... and not just random thoughts

      A few good guides for having a focused blog are : Paul Graham, Engadget and Brandon Purcell. Ok Pual's site is not really a blog, but a collection of articles.. but whats the diff? Those are the best types of blogs!

  14. News source diversity is a good thing by grunt107 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As long as opinion is not the dominating factor of the news item.

    All of the big media conglomerates seem to have an agenda to obtain/maintain viewership.

    Some go for a demographic (ie. - conservative or liberal). Some go for the sensational (Horrible tragedy narrowly averted by patriotic quadriplegic albinos).

    For those willing to sift through the personal biases, having a large source of new items is good to discern the actual facts more easily.

    Like the story a ways back on the eBay scammer who was also discovered to be fraudulently claiming death benefits (donations).

  15. About the Democratic convention by rewt66 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "The Charge Of The Blog Brigade"
    (with apologies to Alfred, Lord Tennyson)

    Theirs not to wonder why
    Theirs but to blog and die
    Into the valley of hype rode the six hundred.

    Boredom to the right of them,
    Boredom to the left of them,
    Boredom in the front of them,
    Into the valley of hype rode the six hundred (bloggers).

    Back to actual commentary: Of course the bloggers at the convention said nothing of consequence. Nothing of consequence happened at the convention. It never does. Nothing will happen at the Republican Convention either.

    Conventions used to be about deciding who your candidate was going to be, and what your platform was. But these days, we know who the candidate will be before the convention starts, and the "platforms" are designed to sound as good as possible without actually saying much that is concrete.

    The result is that conventions generate no actual news. What, Kerry was nominated? Really??? Wow, that's really news!

    So I'm not sure that the Democratic Convention is a good proof that blogs don't really cut it as the new news media. If there's no news, the professional evening news doesn't say much either.

  16. Bloggers as Journalists by wayward · · Score: 1

    I'm curious about the implications of bloggers being considered journalists. They're getting some press passes, e.g., to the Democratic National Convention, and the better ones have some readership. However, are they then subject to the same legal issues that more traditional media have to deal with? If a blogger gets something wrong, could they be slapped with a libel suit? What about invasion of privacy for writing about people they know who are not public figures?

    1. Re:Bloggers as Journalists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole "blogging" fad will die out sometime in 2005 when the election is over and the bloggers get real jobs. In the meantime, just sit back and enjoy the amateur journalism.

  17. Revolution in media? by OverkillTASF · · Score: 1

    Oh yeah, you mean the fact that the media and Hollywood and virtually all forms of mainstream communication are all very liberal biased? Oh, no? Then maybe I'll RTFA.

  18. and a horse is a horse, of course, of course... by fireboy1919 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is professional training all it takes to get your respect?

    I find that most professional news organizations (in my country, the USA) are trying to do whatever they can to push their agendas while also insinuating that they are impartial. It's downright duplicitous, and whats worse is that there are people who believe that their facts are totally true.

    Most of the time you don't see this kind of thing in blogs, and I think the fact that the writers aren't professional journalists, and therefore aren't trained in the subtle art of fact-misdirection is one reason why. But you're right about the unverified stuff. There's no telling what you're getting with a blog.

    I'd trust the average blog about as much as the average professional news agency, but for different reasons. In either case, a particular instance would have to earn my respect before I'd believe them above other sources.

    --
    Mod me down and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!
    1. Re:and a horse is a horse, of course, of course... by fleener · · Score: 1, Insightful
      No, professional training isn't what's required to get my respect. Respect doesn't even enter into the equation.

      I require trust. I need to know who is speaking to me, and what their influences are. I trust the reporting of the local newspaper, and understand when to question the slant on a news report. Professional training helps because then the act of reading the reporting is easy and painless. Most blogs are not easy to read, unless you like reaching "the point" at the bottom of 5 pages of text (hence my 'stream of consciousness' remark).

      In my reading, blogs are more akin to talk radio. They express a point of view with little attempt at getting the "other side" of the story. Professional news organizations at least make the attempt.

      In other words, I trust a blog no more than I trust what my Aunt Bessie is saying about the neighbors as she peers out between the curtains of her front window. Sure, Aunt Bessie has a place in this world, but most of the time, I don't have the time or interest to listen. Aunt Bessie will always have a place becasue what drives Aunt Bessie is her own self interest.

      What you attribute to bias in professional news organizations is sometimes due to directives from top management, but more often due to incompetence, laziness and simply not hiring enough reporters to do the job right.

      None of my positive remarks apply to the handful of national news organizations in America -- they're all a joke (as any fan of Jon Stewart's Daily Show can attest). I'm talking about regional and local news media, who live and die by their reputation.

    2. Re:and a horse is a horse, of course, of course... by csguy314 · · Score: 1

      Not to sound too cynical or conspiracy minded, but why are either of you trusting one type of media or another. No matter how unbiased any media source claims to be, it will always be expressing a view point. This is particularly true of large corporate media, but even with virtually any type of media outlet. So why should you trust them? I watch/listen to/read the news, but I don't necessarily believe everything I read, especially when dealing with anything of substance. Unless I can independently verify stated claims through other sources, I always take everything with something ranging from a grain of salt, to a pound of salt.
      Don't just trust people... listen, digest, and think for yourself!

      --
      This is left as an exercise for the reader.
    3. Re:and a horse is a horse, of course, of course... by perlchild · · Score: 1

      To jump on a probably already dead horse, I tend to trust smaller media organisations because:

      Larger media groups usually have to dance through hoops to prove to regulatory boards that their invidiual parts are independant, and unbiased.

      I have yet to see a smaller piece of a large media group reporting their owner was part of a large scandal before everyone else.

      On one hand, they have connexions, and knowledge of inner workings, so they should have the news before anyone else. On the other hand, they have financial incentive NOT to report it, as it may hurt them. How independant are they really?

      Smaller outfits, where they
      1) have to earn, and keep reputation their journalistic integrity
      2) are independant of financial ties to larger groups, even at the "if Microsoft, our primary client for advertising goes down, we're in deep shit" level

      Can be an asset, but this is the real world, and the real world thrives on shades of gray.

      Honesty and integrity are black and white quantities, it's quite a quandary.

    4. Re:and a horse is a horse, of course, of course... by fireboy1919 · · Score: 1

      Did you even read what I wrote? I don't trust either. I gave good reasons not to trust either.

      You gotta find people to trust, though, at least on some facts. There's just too much world out there to independently verify all the facts yourself, and if you've got nothing to go on you can't do very much.

      --
      Mod me down and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!
  19. Cut and paste. Speech output by NZheretic · · Score: 4, Insightful
    wget -c `wget -q -O- http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/wemedia/book/ | grep pdf | sed 's%^.* href="%%;s%".*$%%;s%^%http://www.oreilly.com%'`

    pdftotext -raw ch00.pdf - | festival --tts
  20. We need less bias by Brandybuck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem with the media is too much bias. The "news-as-entertainment" problem still ranks high on my list, but it's the outright political bias that drives me nuts the most.

    I am not a conservative, nor am I a Republican. But I can still see the bias in the media. The mainstream news in particular has a distinct Democrat/liberal bent. This is hard to see if you're a Democrat/liberal, and you'll probably vehemently deny it exists, but if you're not a liberal or Democrat, you can plainly see it.

    Heck, even a lot of liberal Greens can see it, just because the blackout of any news on Nader and the Green Party. That party decided the 2000 election, but the media acts as if it were irrelevant to the 2004 campaign coverage.

    When I mean bias, I don't mean obvious blatant bias that any numbskull can see. I mean a subtle bias in the stories presented, adjectives used, body language by anchors, etc. But sometimes that bias is obvious, as when the media was having orgasms over the Clark candidacy last year. That last what, all of two weeks?

    Here's a subtle bias as an example. Mrs. Kerry is a millionaire. Mr. Cheney is a millionaire. Both once had strong corporate ties, but no longer do. Yet which one will the media portray as having a corporate war chest? Which one is more often mentioned being a millionaire? Which one is more often mentioned as having corporate ties?

    I am not claiming that this bias is intentional. But with 90% (IIRC) of news reporters registered Democrat, they've constructed themselves a world isolated from the real one. While the owners of the media tend to be Republican, those that actually report the news are not. If you ran across a news outlet that consisted of 90% Republican (or Libertarian or Green) reporters, you would expect those skewed numbers to produce a strong bias. So why don't you expect the same when the news outlets are all 90% Democrat?

    --
    Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
    1. Re:We need less bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "But with 90% (IIRC) of news reporters registered Democrat, they've constructed themselves a world isolated from the real one"

      Back this up with a real fact. Oh, and admit with BS like this you're making the point that most of the Internet "information" is crap, totally killing your argument.

    2. Re:We need less bias by Bearpaw · · Score: 1
      While the owners of the media tend to be Republican, those that actually report the news are not.

      If I wanted to really bias the news, I'd put myself in a position where I could influence which stories get covered. Influencing how those stories get presented is pretty obviously second best. Of course, once in the position of deciding which stories get covered, I could make sure there's some attention paid to how biased the presentation is, so few people will notice how biased the selection of stories is.

      (Or I could be like Rupert Murdock, and bias the whole process, top to bottom. For laughs I'd sell the package as "Fair and Balanced", and see if anyone got the joke.)

    3. Re:We need less bias by idiotnot · · Score: 1

      The first step is admitting you have a problem. If you ask "journalists" whether they have biases, they'll reflexively deny it. Then ask if they've got opinions, oh, you bet!

      There is always a speaker's bias. The key is to recognize that and guard against it. Now they don't even recognize that one exists, believing it was trained-out in college. Sort of like being housebroken.

      I'm biased. You're biased. Dan Rather is biased. If someone listens to the three of us report the same story, he can probably get pretty close to the truth.

    4. Re:We need less bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree wholeheartedly. Except you mean "conservative" not "liberal" bias. Look at your own post: the Greens are part of why we have president Bush. Who gains by not mentioning the greens? Conservatives--splitting the liberal vote, even if it is just by peeling off a few percent like what happened in 2000 will have a major impact in 2004. If you look at any electoral college site that lists Nader, he's responsible for Bush getting several states right now. If this were widely reported in the newspapers along with the fact that Republicans are actively supporting Nader's campaign (until the vote that is) Nader's support would likely dissolve.

      It's also correct to say that there is bias in the stories reported by the media. The media barely mentioned it when Bush was about to appoint Henry Kissinger to head the 9/11 investigation in 2002. The media didn't have much to say about the appointment of convicted felon John Poindexter to the Information Awarness Office. Do the names John Negroponte, Elliott Abrams, or Otto Reich ring a bell? Negroponte: convicted criminal pardoned by Bush Sr., now ambassador to Iraq based on his considerable experience in the area, which is exclusively limited to the selling of weapons to Iran in the Iran-Contra scandle. These facts weren't even mentioned by the so-called "liberal" New York Times which just parroted the White House line! Elliot Abrams: convicted criminal pardoned by Bush Sr., Bush Jr. appointed him to the National Security Council as director of its office for democracy, human rights and international operations--completely unreported. Otto Reich: assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere affairs, the top post for Latin America, formerly head of Office for Public Diplomacy which the House Committee on Foreign Affairs censured for prohibited, covert propaganda activities--totally unreported. Totally unreported: the exact number of Ameri^H^H^H coalition troops wounded or missing in Iraq, never mentioned is the total number of Iraqi casualties. In a strike by coalition troops the Iraqi casualities are always labeled "insurgents" or "terrorists." How's that for choice adjectives? Our military's damn good, but there are always civilian casualties--which are never, ever, for any reason whatsoever reported by our "liberal" media.

      Kerry's a millionare. Cheney's a millionare. Edwards' a millionare. Bush's a millionare. The media has managed to mention many times that Kerry and Edwards are millionares and even richer than Bush/Cheney. Now Bush/Cheney we all know has a more corporate war chest and no one can deny that, not even the best puppet working for Fox News! Now Kerry and Edwards probably have some corporate ties, but nothing like Bush/Cheney. Cheney allowed Enron to dictate public energy policy. Haliburton, Cheney's old corporation, was awarded a no-bid contract in Iraq. No corporate ties in the Bush White House at all!

      I am claiming this bias is intentional. The media is increasingly owned by media conglomerates ever increasing in size and power. The management is highly conservative and controls who gets hired. You can't honestly tell me that 90% of reporters are Democrats (=! liberal, and hasn't for the last 20+ years!). I'd personally be surprised if half were, given the control that the owners can have.

      The myth of the liberal media is the most powerful tool the neocons have.

    5. Re:We need less bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "The myth of the liberal media"

      It's not a myth.

    6. Re:We need less bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow what a nonresponse. You going to attempt to address a single point or just write IS SO!? Oh wait. You can't refute the truth.

    7. Re:We need less bias by woolla · · Score: 1

      I think that you make a very good point. The media is only Socially liberal, Economically conservative. But you could also say that about most of the Democratic party.

      But NONE OF US ARE UNBIASED (incl you and me).
      Whether you are left wing or right wing to me depends on where I'm standing.

      That's why I take a look at the arab news web sites every now and then. They are of course "shockingly" biased from our point of view, but at least you get a glimpse of what other people are thinking.

      I would argue that the main problem is that THE MEDIA AND most of THE VIEWERS/READERSHIP do not RECOGNIZE their bias.

      This leads to a VERY NARROW PERSPECTIVE on the world.

      At least in the U.K. I could read The Guardian and The Times to get a slightly different perspective. - I live in Dallas and there is only one paper, and the National and international coverage in the paper are EXTREMELY LIMITED.

      If the general public were more interested, surely someone would provide an alternative? - The only national paper I am aware of is USA today.

  21. He was more correct than you think. by A.S. · · Score: 1

    McLuhan was discussing the communication process. He's not really talking about the message, he's talking about people. It's exaggerated for sensationalism to elict a response. The way you dispute the statement is a perfect example of what he was talking about.

    There is no such thing as an abstract message. There can be no message without a medium. It doesn't matter what I say or type, what is actually communicated is what you perceive. And your perception is based on the medium used to transmit the message. Another reply above talks about a a presidential debate (It was Kennedy vs. Nixon, 26 September 1960) which is the perfect example. Those who watched the debates received a different message than those who listened.

    To draw another parallel, from slashdot: If this response had been riddled with spelling errors, missing punctuation, bad grammer, etc. then how the readers would have perceived me (the sender) would affect how they interpretted my message.
    And in communication, that's really what's important: Not what I say, but what you hear.

  22. Computer writing != journalism by pyrotic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    IAAJ. I do features. I speak some Arabic, and another European language, get on well with most kinds of people, have an ability to live with uncertainty, and am getting used to judging when a situation becomes hairy. I've won a couple of awards in the US.

    How has blogging changed my life? Not one iota. Most information I still get face to face, or on the phone. Many of my sources are computer illiterate. If you want to know where the bodies are buried, go there. You never forget the smell. The one good thing I can say about the technical revolution is that I can post stories unedited on my own website, taking up as much space as I like.

    1. Re:Computer writing != journalism by lavaface · · Score: 1
      The one good thing I can say about the technical revolution is that I can post stories unedited on my own website, taking up as much space as I like.

      So true, but not when your employer owns your thoughts.

  23. CafePress print-on-demand && legal questio by sleepingsquirrel · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Would it be legal for a person to submit the text to a print-on-demand publisher like CafePress and sell copies at cost ($0 profit)? Or would that not work, because CafePress is still making a buck on the deal? And how would that be any different than taking it down to Kinko's and telling them to print out a copy. The book is licensed under the Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.0 which states in section 4c that...
    You may not exercise any of the rights granted to You in Section 3 above in any manner that is primarily intended for or directed toward commercial advantage or private monetary compensation. The exchange of the Work for other copyrighted works by means of digital file-sharing or otherwise shall not be considered to be intended for or directed toward commercial advantage or private monetary compensation, provided there is no payment of any monetary compensation in connection with the exchange of copyrighted works.
  24. Scools? by toddhisattva · · Score: 4, Funny
    Very simply, We the Media should be required reading in journalism schools for students and professors.

    Journalists go to schools?

    Imagine the courses!

    JRN 100 The Five W's: George W. Bush Stinks, George W. Bush has Cooties, George W. Bush is Mean, George W. Bush is Dumb, and George W. Bush is a Blue Meanie Dumb Cootie.

    JRN 200 Casting Aspersions: Learn which adjectives to use when describing the idiotic George W. Bush and the brave genius patriots who correctly despise him.

    JRN 250 Rumors - Gateways to Truth: A newspaper is nothing without rumors. Learn to tell whoppers and fool people for fun and profit.

    JRN 300 Context is Your Enemy: Students will understand which facts to leave out of stories and how to present events out of order. This is a writing-intensive course.

    JRN 350 The Dreaded Tech Beat: Learn to cope with things you do not understand at all by making your writing buzzword-compliant.

    JRN 400 Sports - Journalism's Crowning Achievement: Hype and fluff are the indespensible tools of the Sports Reporter. Students will learn to use a thesaurus to seem intelligent when discussing trivia about games.

    JRN 450 Science Sucks Ass (course prerequisite JRN 350): In this advanced course students will learn to misquote scientists, construct non sequitur arguments, miss the point, and bring their own prejudices to their stories.

    JRN 500 (Capstone) Bias: Students will wear shoes with different thickness soles to learn about slanting. Course ends with field trip to cattle ranch to watch real B.S. being made.

  25. Trained? by sabat · · Score: 1


    Since when are writers "trained"? Don't you mean "talented" or "intelligent"? You can't train someone to be a good writer, anymore than you can train someone to be a good artist.

    --
    I, for one, welcome our new Antichrist overlord.
    1. Re:Trained? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Writing is a skill, and like any skill can be learned. If one learns the skill well enough and uses that skill, one may be said to practice good writing.

      However, just because one has undergone training in the skill of writing does not make one a good writer. Use of any skill usually takes practice, and masters of a skill usually have practiced carefully and conscientiously to reach that level of mastery. Of course, there are exceptions: those who are able to write well without much practice and those who will never be able to write well despite much training.

      My guess is that these two extremes are explained by a greater or lesser ability to focus and organize one's thoughts.

      --
      It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
    2. Re:Trained? by sabat · · Score: 1


      Writing is an art, and like any art, it cannot be learned. You can bring a talent to maturity, but you cannot be trained to have talent.

      --
      I, for one, welcome our new Antichrist overlord.
  26. Audio available by LoneGun04 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have started to read the book aloud. If you are interested in listening and/or participating please see my weblog entry.

    1. Re:Audio available by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's already an e-book. Select all the text, then run the text-to-speech program of your choice. Save your breath for the political program that MSNBC will start for prominent bloggers like yourself.

  27. Converting to an Audio Book by EvanKai · · Score: 1

    Niall Kennedy has started a project to convert to book into an audio book like AKMA did with Lessig's Free Culture. Unfortunately, AKM Adam is a Ph.D., Rev., and author. Niall Kennedy is a junior at UC Davis. AKMA was about to get some high profile people from the blogsphere to record chapters including Dave Winer and Doug Kaye. Niall Kennedy has to date, only recorded the intro himself. Who knows, maybe Niall's project will grow legs and evolve into something like free-culture.org.

    1. Re:Converting to an Audio Book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just run a text-to-speech program on it. It'll be about as recognizable as the voice of a "high profile person from the blogosphere," a title which commands as much real-world respect as "fourteenth-level sorcerer in my D&D campaign."

  28. Coase's Penguin, or Linux and the Nature of the Fi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the papers cited in the book is "Coase's Penguin, or Linux and the Nature of the Firm" might be interesting to /.'ers...

    available here:

    http://www.yale.edu/yalelj/112/BenklerWEB.pdf

    Abstract:

    or decades our understanding of economic production has been that individuals order their productive activities in one of two ways: either as employees in firms, following the directions of managers, or as individuals in markets, following price signals. This dichotomy was first identified in the early work of Nobel laureate Ronald Coase, and was developed most explicitly in the work of neo-institutional economist Oliver Williamson. In the past three or four years, public attention has focused on a fifteen-year-old social-economic phenomenon in the software development world. This phenomenon, called free software or open source software, involves thousands or even tens of thousands of programmers contributing to large and small scale project, where the central organizing principle is that the software remains free of most constraints on copying and use common to proprietary materials. No one "owns" the software in the traditional sense of being able to command how it is used or developed, or to control its disposition. The result is the emergence of a vibrant, innovative and productive collaboration, whose participants are not organized in firms and do not choose their projects in response to price signals.

    In this paper I explain that while free software is highly visible, it is in fact only one example of a much broader social-economic phenomenon. I suggest that we are seeing is the broad and deep emergence of a new, third mode of production in the digitally networked environment. I call this mode "commons-based peer-production," to distinguish it from the property- and contract-based models of firms and markets. Its central characteristic is that groups of individuals successfully collaborate on large-scale projects following a diverse cluster of motivational drives and social signals, rather than either market prices or managerial commands.

    The paper also explains why this mode has systematic advantages over markets and managerial hierarchies when the object of production is information or culture, and where the capital investment necessary for production-computers and communications capabilities-is widely distributed instead of concentrated. In particular, this mode of production is better than firms and markets for two reasons. First, it is better at identifying and assigning human capital to information and cultural production processes. In this regard, peer-production has an advantage in what I call "information opportunity cost." That is, it loses less information about who the best person for a given job might be than do either of the other two organizational modes. Second, there are substantial increasing returns to allow very larger clusters of potential contributors to interact with very large clusters of information resources in search of new projects and collaboration enterprises. Removing property and contract as the organizing principles of collaboration substantially reduces transaction costs involved in allowing these large clusters of potential contributors to review and select which resources to work on, for which projects, and with which collaborators. This results in allocation gains, that increase more than proportionately with the increase in the number of individuals and resources that are part of the system. The article concludes with an overview of how these models use a variety of technological and social strategies to overcome the collective action problems usually solved in managerial and market-based systems by property and contract.

  29. Re:Coase's Penguin, or Linux and the Nature of the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  30. Re:CafePress print-on-demand && legal ques by ca1v1n · · Score: 1

    It strikes me that they don't want people making a profit from selling the book. If you priced it at $15.97 + S&H, the CafePress rate for a 299 page book in the "perfect bound" format (which is the one you'd want to use) then you'd be fine. CafePress would be making a profit, just as your ISP makes a profit for your download server, the CD pressing company makes a profit for the distro CDs you press, etc. Now, if CafePress decided to sell them on their own behalf, they'd probably have to offer them at a lower rate.

  31. Fuck off, coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "Back this up with a real fact."

    It is "real fact".

    "Oh, and admit with BS like this"

    It's not BS.

    "you're making the point that most of the Internet "information" is crap,

    He wasn't making that point.

    "totally killing your argument"

    Not at all.

    You're full of shit. Next time, think before you spout your shit.

  32. Media IS liberal SOCIALLY, NOT ECONOMICALLY by Cryofan · · Score: 1

    The elite media and the top government officials and the corporations DECIDE for us what is on the table for the political debate, and what is NOT on the table. They decide what the definitions of "Liberal" and "conservative" are. Not surprisingly, CorpGovMedia have decided that the Left vs Right, conservative vs democratic debate is going to be on social issues. Most of the economic issues are either off the table, or are limited in scope.

    THe social issues are gays, guns, abortion, religion, etc. The media IS liberal on the social issues.

    The economics issues are fair trade, progressive taxes, monopolistic business practices, and immigration. The media (and CorpGovMedia itself) is quite conservative economically. Not a big surprise, seeing as how the elite media is owned and operated by large corporations and the wealthy and upper-income earners. And when I say "conservative", I mean the media is in favor of policies that tend to favor the wealthy and the corporations. For example, on trade, the media favors "free trade", meaning policies that disempower the average person, and lower his wages. Also, the media favors immigration, which is increases corporate profits and decreases American wages. THe media is in favor of regressive taxation (likes flat tax rates, and user and sales taxes). The media is also in favor of war, in general. And so forth....

    For more info on this subject, read the websites for bestselling authors Thomas Frank (see the online essays) and Noam Chomsky several books and essays online here).

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  33. Re:Media IS liberal SOCIALLY, NOT ECONOMICALLY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bullshit!

    Everyone in the media loves higher taxes, loves Democrats' hypocritical and lying talk of "fiscal responsibility" and never calls them to account for talking about saving money and then wanting to throw out hundreds of billions (and possibly trillions) on wasteful programs like socialized health care.

    I am opposed to so-called free trade and want less immigration, does that mean I'm going to vote for Bunny Suit Kerry? Hardly!

  34. Dan Gillmor is a simple moralist by rlglende · · Score: 1


    I used to read the San Jose Murky News and Dan Gillmor's column.

    On any business issue, he generally comes down on the side of some idealist vision of 'fairness', and supports a gov-force solution to the problem.

    In short, Gilmor is generally a socialist in his outlook.

    His tech insights aren't much better, IMHO.

    Lew

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  35. Re:Media IS liberal SOCIALLY, NOT ECONOMICALLY by Brandybuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm pissed that the media isn't reporting objectively. Of course, if they did report objectively, they wouldn't be parroting the Chomsky line. I want objectivity, not just another opinion. For example, to report flat or sales taxes as "regressive" would be anything but objective.

    I am not saying your biases are invalid, just that I don't want them, or any other biases, in my news coverage. For example, when the WTO meets, the reporting should be more than a mere "the WTO met today, now on to sports". But neither should it be "the WTO is evil and here's why..."

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    Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
  36. Read the book! by maysonl · · Score: 1