While that scenario does sound ideal, I don't believe it is likely to occur. Just like cable companies that make you pay for service and watch commercials, this technology will be used on devices that cost the same as they do now. In other words, commercials on the $200 phone. I'm sure they will try to find some way to justify it, and consumers will go along with it.
you make a lot of good points, but you miss the essential one. Hotel California was released in 1977, which was over 30 years from now. It doesn't matter how much work you put into creating something; 30 years is long enough for it to have been passed to the people. We obviously disagree on that one point, but it really is the only one that matters.
I think he was being a little tongue in cheek there. The fact is, wikipedia is good enough in most instances. But you don't have to take wiki's word for it. Here's what dictionary.com says in regards to zero-day: "pertaining to a program that exploits a computer security vulnerability before security experts can address it" so there you have it.
To be fair, the summary is a bit confusing. It says there were two pilots, "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before." It then says an alternate pilot was found. From just those facts in the summary, does that mean a different cut of "The Cage" or a different cut of "Where No Man Has Gone Before" or a different episode entirely? Also, he was replying to another comment waaay up the page. He wasn't down here to see the "comments above yours."
Did you only read the first half of the post you replied to? Yeah, he was getting hung up on facts, which he pretty much admitted to. He then changed his understanding to include the idea that boys have always loved power. That's the same thing you said, except you used the phrase "urge to dominate."
It sounds like you have all the control here, so simply lock down those computers. Install a decent anti-virus, firewall, and script blockers. Install a decent web browser and delete the IE icon on the desktop. Ensure all these and the OS are able to update themselves automatically. Install the programs your family uses. Then create a non-admin account for them and do not give them the admin password. That's what I've been doing and the only problems I've had to deal with in the last few years were a hard drive crash and some minor issues. If they need to install a new program or need the admin password for any reason, they have to go through me to get it done.
I think he's trying to respond to criticism that even if Microsoft as a whole didn't know the code was infringing, they still infringed and thus they should still be held guilty of such infringement and be required to pay royalties/fines/etc. His argument seems to be that Microsoft is a huge company and generally, huge companies, when committing small violations, are given a bit of leeway in order to clean up their own mess before things become official. Assume MS was unaware of the violation. MS pulls the code when they are informed of said violation. This is where things normally come to a close. Even if they do get sued over this, the legal system introduces things like "unwillfull" violation and "acted in good faith", etc.
Comingled code is irrelevant. If Microsoft got GPL code from a third party, then they had the right to do certain things with it, as long as they abide by the GPL. There would be no violations against the third party. Now if it turns out that Microsoft used some unGPL code from the third party, then yeah, they could have also violated their copyright, but that is a different issue altogether. I think it is more likely that this third party broke GPL and was using the code in an infringing way, so it was some small no name company violating GPL all along. Microsoft then comes along and steals the third party code and releases it as their own, and it turns out to be GPL all along. Microsoft can't push the blame on the third party without admitting they stole third party code, and third party can't do anything against Microsoft without admitting they stole GPL code.
Unwilfull? You see that's where our difference is. You seem to be so naive to think that Microsoft developers are unaware of the GPL.
It isn't very nice to call people naive before thinking the argument through. Perhaps GP never suggested that random Microsoft code monkeys were unaware of the GPL, but instead suggested that Microsoft executives were unaware that their software infringed on GPL licensed code. Perhaps the GP, with the US legal system in mind, understands that all that will matter is what Microsoft executives knew.
And also, of course one can refuse to release the code, but then one would get fined.
Maybe Microsoft will get fined, but first they will have to be sued, and then they would have to lose their case. Even if they do get sued, if they can prove they took the software down and that the executives didn't know it was in violation of GPL, then they have a strong argument in their case and might get a small fine, if anything. So, getting back to the original point, no Microsoft is not obligated to do anything here.
I think you are entirely right. I wouldn't even make that argument though. I'd say so what if he made a lewd comment? Some minor brat is hanging out on a public forum and now I have to watch what I say? Fuck that. How old is this kid? The closer to 18 he is, the more he should be able to handle some random lewd comment on the internet. The younger he is, the more likely he needs more parental supervision while on the internet.
I think the idea is that children of mixed race are good looking. (That's not my idea, or my assertion. It's just something I've heard many times and I believe it's what you are referring to. Even if that were true, I don't think you could say many of the peoples you listed were a different race. They may have been different nationalities or ethnicities, but they were all caucasian. Mixing whitey and whitey will not produce beautiful babies, unless you have a predilection for white kids.
Yet I always seem to notice that when gas prices reach record levels, the oil companies coincidentally generate record profits. But yeah, they are only the middle man. Right.
You may have jumped the gun a bit there. While I'm sure there's bound to be a few posts complaining about bloat, as of right now, there is only one serious one in this disucssion.
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And then those devices will be bricked when they don't work on Apple Genuine Advantage (AGA) :(
While that scenario does sound ideal, I don't believe it is likely to occur. Just like cable companies that make you pay for service and watch commercials, this technology will be used on devices that cost the same as they do now. In other words, commercials on the $200 phone. I'm sure they will try to find some way to justify it, and consumers will go along with it.
I think he was talking about the situation where they implemented this feature on the iphone.
you make a lot of good points, but you miss the essential one. Hotel California was released in 1977, which was over 30 years from now. It doesn't matter how much work you put into creating something; 30 years is long enough for it to have been passed to the people. We obviously disagree on that one point, but it really is the only one that matters.
I think he was being a little tongue in cheek there. The fact is, wikipedia is good enough in most instances. But you don't have to take wiki's word for it. Here's what dictionary.com says in regards to zero-day: "pertaining to a program that exploits a computer security vulnerability before security experts can address it" so there you have it.
To be fair, the summary is a bit confusing. It says there were two pilots, "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before." It then says an alternate pilot was found. From just those facts in the summary, does that mean a different cut of "The Cage" or a different cut of "Where No Man Has Gone Before" or a different episode entirely? Also, he was replying to another comment waaay up the page. He wasn't down here to see the "comments above yours."
Did you only read the first half of the post you replied to? Yeah, he was getting hung up on facts, which he pretty much admitted to. He then changed his understanding to include the idea that boys have always loved power. That's the same thing you said, except you used the phrase "urge to dominate."
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What's the problem? That was a completely correct use of the colon!
But have they reported you to the credit bureaus?
but "Plan9routines" just isn't as catchy . .
It sounds like you have all the control here, so simply lock down those computers. Install a decent anti-virus, firewall, and script blockers. Install a decent web browser and delete the IE icon on the desktop. Ensure all these and the OS are able to update themselves automatically. Install the programs your family uses. Then create a non-admin account for them and do not give them the admin password. That's what I've been doing and the only problems I've had to deal with in the last few years were a hard drive crash and some minor issues. If they need to install a new program or need the admin password for any reason, they have to go through me to get it done.
No, he's on second!
When you mix in big business with the U.S. court system, there most certainly is.
It is my understanding that random pundit didn't even have the source code for the MS portion, only variable names and such.
"Woe, woe, woe!" That's the 17th century version.
I think he's trying to respond to criticism that even if Microsoft as a whole didn't know the code was infringing, they still infringed and thus they should still be held guilty of such infringement and be required to pay royalties/fines/etc. His argument seems to be that Microsoft is a huge company and generally, huge companies, when committing small violations, are given a bit of leeway in order to clean up their own mess before things become official. Assume MS was unaware of the violation. MS pulls the code when they are informed of said violation. This is where things normally come to a close. Even if they do get sued over this, the legal system introduces things like "unwillfull" violation and "acted in good faith", etc.
I use the word "stole" loosely. Calm down. :)
Unwilfull? You see that's where our difference is. You seem to be so naive to think that Microsoft developers are unaware of the GPL.
It isn't very nice to call people naive before thinking the argument through. Perhaps GP never suggested that random Microsoft code monkeys were unaware of the GPL, but instead suggested that Microsoft executives were unaware that their software infringed on GPL licensed code. Perhaps the GP, with the US legal system in mind, understands that all that will matter is what Microsoft executives knew.
And also, of course one can refuse to release the code, but then one would get fined.
Maybe Microsoft will get fined, but first they will have to be sued, and then they would have to lose their case. Even if they do get sued, if they can prove they took the software down and that the executives didn't know it was in violation of GPL, then they have a strong argument in their case and might get a small fine, if anything. So, getting back to the original point, no Microsoft is not obligated to do anything here.
I think you are entirely right. I wouldn't even make that argument though. I'd say so what if he made a lewd comment? Some minor brat is hanging out on a public forum and now I have to watch what I say? Fuck that. How old is this kid? The closer to 18 he is, the more he should be able to handle some random lewd comment on the internet. The younger he is, the more likely he needs more parental supervision while on the internet.
I think the idea is that children of mixed race are good looking. (That's not my idea, or my assertion. It's just something I've heard many times and I believe it's what you are referring to. Even if that were true, I don't think you could say many of the peoples you listed were a different race. They may have been different nationalities or ethnicities, but they were all caucasian. Mixing whitey and whitey will not produce beautiful babies, unless you have a predilection for white kids.
Maybe you should just get off the US internet and use your own internet for a while. Duh! :)
Yet I always seem to notice that when gas prices reach record levels, the oil companies coincidentally generate record profits. But yeah, they are only the middle man. Right.
None of that ever happens to me, and I use facebook all the time. Maybe facebook just doesn't like you!
You may have jumped the gun a bit there. While I'm sure there's bound to be a few posts complaining about bloat, as of right now, there is only one serious one in this disucssion.