Our experiences differ, but let me explain myself.
I would agree that experience trumps "college" (at least in the US) by a large margin, and the/love of doing it/ is enormously helpful, but those 2 being equal, I'll take someone who has the knowledge of the underlying theory over one w/o any day.
I had one "senior" programmer some time ago ask why her code equivalent of 1/3 * 3 isn't equalling 1.
Part of the problem is that people get the degree not because they want to, or enjoy the subject, or even show much an aptitude for it, but they think there's big prizes at the end. I've been doing this for quite a lot longer than you, and have seen the rise and fall of the dotcom bubble, and man, the HTML monkeys out there calling themselves "programmers" are finally starting to get weeded out. But that was a big reason for a big swell of CS applicants, I think.
I know that "kids these days" are coming out with their degrees lately never having written a compiler (nay, even a lexer!), never looked at regexes, don't know what big-O notation is OR why it's important, never did numerical methods, investigated CPU architectures, etc. Some don't even have basic algebra skills.
But boy do they know their way around Visual Studio and JBuilder! (mostly)
Mind you, the school from which I graduated had a very heavy theory based first 2 years, and a broad exposure to many languages, paradigms, architectures, etc., so maybe my view is biased by that. I consider myself lucky to have attended there given what I've seen from people elsewhere.
> Sometimes I feel that majors in the humanities, in communication, literature, critical thinking, psychology, philosophy, linguists, and financial planning are better qualified as developers, because they understand what is most often to be coded these days:
Yes, they may well better understand what is to BE coded, but most that I've seen are damn sure not qualified to actually DO the coding. Which is one reason we have all the crap software out there we have today.
"Then the New York Times article, titled "We're From Bangalore (But We're Not Allowed To Tell You)" revealed all. Indian call centers now had to acquire American accents and generic Anglo names..."
> The POP Up blocker is already pretty good, so much so that is scares the pants off me just how much crap I miss out on evertime i go to an old Windows box with IE 5 or 6 Vanilla installed.
How many pairs of pants do you go through in an average week?
A good lesson, for sure. But it has no bearing on your subject; we can be careful who we annoy and *STILL* claim that he's nuts. Because, I think, he is.
Have you noticed how every model of "creation" first begins with in-depth instructions detailing how He must first create the conditions necessary for the model to work?
> "People who pay chinese people to do absolutely mindless boring repetitive tasks, on an industrial scale,...
Welcome to the US, and almost every other western country. Look at the "made in..." tags on almost anything you buy today.
THAT'S IT! Thanks a million. That game was so good. Simple to play, well done levels, plenty of variation without being complex, rock solid stable. Just well done in every aspect.
1987, 88. I can't rememember the name, but you were in a overhead view controlling a rotatable/thrustable ship (a la Asteroids) that you had to fly through a maze. Most of the maze walls meant death, but some you could bounce off of (as could your shots). There were guns that shot at you, and some of the mazes/screens had a "gravity" feature that would pull you towards some point source (always with "death walls" between you and it.)
It was pre-color macs by a long ways; I played it quite a lot in 1988 or prior.
Sing it with me, "...absolutely nothin'. Say it agaaaain! Primes! Hua! What are they good for..."
With apologies to Edwin Starr, and Bruce Springsteen (who SHOULD have apologized to Edwin Starr, after his shameless, crappy, self-aggrandizing political commentary wannabe remake).
> Before and after Chicxulub Earth was experiencing a lot of volcanic activity. So much in fact, that the compositiom of the atmosphere was changing. As I recall the oxygen content was reducing from 30% down to 24% (I'm sure these are not the exact numbers, but they are close).
Really now, hasn't the "geek/pizza/[scorching hot "I'm a REAL man because I eat this, not because I weigh 102# or 280#" szechuan] chinese food" stereotype about run its course by now?
Because WebLogic* [kinda] works [sometimes], and rather than jumping at each college PhD thesis programming-paradigm-shift-du-jour that happens across its nose, it [tries] to focus on production robustness perhaps?
*I can't believe I'm defending BEA's product here, but given the OTHER choice you mentioned...
Slashdot Mirror
Because we all know that NEVER in the history of /. has a web page stopped being available after mention of it was made here...
Why do you [think you] *need* timestamps? Either it has optimistic locking, or it doesn't... no?
It sounds like you're trying to say a framework "doesn't do something" simply because it doesn't "do it the way *I'd* do it".
Because, as we know from history, protectionist tactics are always the way to secure more income.
Our experiences differ, but let me explain myself.
/love of doing it/ is enormously helpful, but those 2 being equal, I'll take someone who has the knowledge of the underlying theory over one w/o any day.
I would agree that experience trumps "college" (at least in the US) by a large margin, and the
I had one "senior" programmer some time ago ask why her code equivalent of 1/3 * 3 isn't equalling 1.
Part of the problem is that people get the degree not because they want to, or enjoy the subject, or even show much an aptitude for it, but they think there's big prizes at the end. I've been doing this for quite a lot longer than you, and have seen the rise and fall of the dotcom bubble, and man, the HTML monkeys out there calling themselves "programmers" are finally starting to get weeded out. But that was a big reason for a big swell of CS applicants, I think.
I know that "kids these days" are coming out with their degrees lately never having written a compiler (nay, even a lexer!), never looked at regexes, don't know what big-O notation is OR why it's important, never did numerical methods, investigated CPU architectures, etc. Some don't even have basic algebra skills.
But boy do they know their way around Visual Studio and JBuilder! (mostly)
Mind you, the school from which I graduated had a very heavy theory based first 2 years, and a broad exposure to many languages, paradigms, architectures, etc., so maybe my view is biased by that. I consider myself lucky to have attended there given what I've seen from people elsewhere.
> Sometimes I feel that majors in the humanities, in communication, literature, critical thinking, psychology, philosophy, linguists, and financial planning are better qualified as developers, because they understand what is most often to be coded these days:
Yes, they may well better understand what is to BE coded, but most that I've seen are damn sure not qualified to actually DO the coding. Which is one reason we have all the crap software out there we have today.
There's a first /fucking/ amendment? (And by extension, a second or more?) Damn, I've overlooked those completely!
"Then the New York Times article, titled "We're From Bangalore (But We're Not Allowed To Tell You)" revealed all. Indian call centers now had to acquire American accents and generic Anglo names..."
From http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=10048
Please, PLEASE someone post a link to that audio file. I used to have it and lost it...
> The POP Up blocker is already pretty good, so much so that is scares the pants off me just how much crap I miss out on evertime i go to an old Windows box with IE 5 or 6 Vanilla installed.
How many pairs of pants do you go through in an average week?
> Lesson to be learned? Careful who you annoy.
A good lesson, for sure. But it has no bearing on your subject; we can be careful who we annoy and *STILL* claim that he's nuts. Because, I think, he is.
Have you noticed how every model of "creation" first begins with in-depth instructions detailing how He must first create the conditions necessary for the model to work?
> "People who pay chinese people to do absolutely mindless boring repetitive tasks, on an industrial scale, ...
Welcome to the US, and almost every other western country. Look at the "made in..." tags on almost anything you buy today.
That's offensive and stereotypical. He's not sweaty, he's fat.
Don't Hack Into Your Employer's Systems
...or the guy faked his own photo for the article.
C'mon now. math geek... handsome... math geek... handsome...
Sorry, I'm not buyin' it.
THAT'S IT! Thanks a million. That game was so good. Simple to play, well done levels, plenty of variation without being complex, rock solid stable. Just well done in every aspect.
Now, if I only had a mac on which to run it...
1987, 88. I can't rememember the name, but you were in a overhead view controlling a rotatable/thrustable ship (a la Asteroids) that you had to fly through a maze. Most of the maze walls meant death, but some you could bounce off of (as could your shots). There were guns that shot at you, and some of the mazes/screens had a "gravity" feature that would pull you towards some point source (always with "death walls" between you and it.) It was pre-color macs by a long ways; I played it quite a lot in 1988 or prior.
You're saying "we" will turn the planet into grey goo, and calling "them" the paranoids?
Sing it with me, "...absolutely nothin'. Say it agaaaain! Primes! Hua! What are they good for..."
With apologies to Edwin Starr, and Bruce Springsteen (who SHOULD have apologized to Edwin Starr, after his shameless, crappy, self-aggrandizing political commentary wannabe remake).
> Before and after Chicxulub Earth was experiencing a lot of volcanic activity. So much in fact, that the compositiom of the atmosphere was changing. As I recall the oxygen content was reducing from 30% down to 24% (I'm sure these are not the exact numbers, but they are close).
Wow, how old ARE you?
*chuckle* Lighten up my friend. I see your moniker is at least well suited.
Really now, hasn't the "geek/pizza/[scorching hot "I'm a REAL man because I eat this, not because I weigh 102# or 280#" szechuan] chinese food" stereotype about run its course by now?
Because WebLogic* [kinda] works [sometimes], and rather than jumping at each college PhD thesis programming-paradigm-shift-du-jour that happens across its nose, it [tries] to focus on production robustness perhaps? *I can't believe I'm defending BEA's product here, but given the OTHER choice you mentioned...
Does *1* judge have to deal with the whole thing, soup to nuts? (no pun intended)
hrm, the arabs? What did they then DO with all that wonderful knowledge? Sure didn't carry it to modern day, by most accounts.
Don't discount the Irish in the saving of civilization. Can't say if that's true, but you know, all generalizations are false anyway.