News can BE one-sided. There are many occasions around where I live in which the media simply chooses not to report on an issue at all because of this PC, relativistic ruling they're required to get the "other side".
I agree that they shouldn't be taking an obvious bias, but we've taken that too far - now news outlets can't have any "expert" on w/o having an "expert" for whatever other (usually ridiculous) side. I've seen this happen with the creationism crap - can't do a report on evolution w/o having a creationist rebuttal. Horsecrap.
> Unfortunately, I'm certain that if I made a special lunch sandwich with razorblades, and some bastard stole it and hurt himself, the police would come after me.
Yeah, our law enforcement has gone totally insane to prosecute you for something like that.
> Ok, so basically what you are saying is that we should only learn programming languages on a very > academic level and never learn to apply them to specific problems because some day those problems > will no longer be problems and all of our time learning to apply the language in will be wasted. > Do I understand you correctly?
If you understand him at all, it's because it's essentially YOUR premise.
> I would invest time and money in Ruby on Rails, except that it is obviously a passing fad. > This is because Rails is designed to solve a specific problem (serving web pages), > and we know for sure that the serving web pages won't be a problem for all time.
So, YOU aren't going to spend any time learning Rails since the "...time learning to apply the language in will be wasted...", since "...serving web pages won't be a problem for all time..." ?
> I use Windows XP and OS X side by side. I constantly have to reboot XP, and have to run CHKDSK on it all the time.
I'm no Microsoft shill, but I'm calling bullshit on this one. I don't have any double blind quantitative data, but my entire office runs XP and of the people I work with directly (about 10-15, for 3 years in my current position), I have not yet once heard of anyone having to run chkdsk routinely. Reboots, well, more than I'd like, but generally not more than once a week (for me), and I know of many who undock/redock for weeks at a time.
If you're having to reboot "constantly" and run chkdsk "all the time", then there's something else seriously wrong with your machine.
"If this [unit test] is as good as [you] say, it should be part of the compiler. If it is not good enough to be part of the compiler, I wouldn't bother with it."
Your statement is ludicrous. That something isn't part of the compiler does not make it not useful. Taken ad absurdum, do you *ONLY* use the tools that are part of your compiler, and not, say, your IDE? Eclipse, IDEA, etc. have many useful tools that help solve problems, preempt issues, help you out... do you not use those? Why not use the tools if you are given the chance to do so?
> Does that mean Ruby is derailed for Oracle, mysql and postgres developers ?
What would give you that idea? The DB2 adapter is part of Rails, and can be used outside the web-stack if you like. Your question is akin to asking if Java using Oracle is no longer relevant since someone has come out with a type 4 JDBC driver for Sybase.
If you were trying to be funny here, then I apologize for not getting it.
> > Customers don't want to pay out the ass again for you to add a simple feature because you didn't take the time to do it properly the first time around.
> I say that customers want exactly that.
As much as I dislike it, this seems to be the case from where I sit too. At a financial services firm I worked for, a customer so much as told us they'd rather have something out sooner and broken, and pay to fix it later, than having it out not broken, but later.
Boisjoly was not told this; it was told to his manager, Lund, in the emergency meeting at Morton Thiokol the night before. Boisjoly, and his peers, were overruled by Lund and HIS management.
But your point that no one said "stop" being a falacy is correct; quite a few people did, and were simply overruled. To everyone's detriment.
The old (then Verant based) Everquest "live events" were pretty much exactly this; except the part where you could kill them.
The GM's killing hordes and hordes of players, and generally in a petty vengeance-filled manner though, oh yes, that happened at almost every opportunity.
Then the zones would crash.
Moving parts? Serviceability? Those aren't downsides. This is/., man! The only downsides worthy of mention here are how much more into Microsoft (or, how much further away from *BSD/Linux/etc.) you are, how many hippies get offended, or how Canada might be viewed as less pure than the US.
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> At eight years old Song is already talking about building flying cars and defying Newton's law of gravity while others his age are attending the first grade.
I'm no genius, but where I grew up kids in first grade were all 5(ish). They start 'em late over there?
I'm nowhere near where I need to be to make any sort of debate here, but how do you explain the observed results of some of these theories? 2 slit experiment, etc? (And more recently, some of the observed behaviors of entangled pairs?)
> If you are not sure of this or don't believe, simply go ask for a free copy of your credit report at Experian, Transunion, or whatever the third one was.
Wow, I cancelled my PC Gamer subscription 5 or so years ago and all I get from them is a free issue every 1/2 year or so. And a free issue of all the "sister" magazines every quarter. And this is after I've moved a couple times.
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I wonder if people think it clever to claim possible parenthood of people they're trying to insult.
News can BE one-sided. There are many occasions around where I live in which the media simply chooses not to report on an issue at all because of this PC, relativistic ruling they're required to get the "other side".
I agree that they shouldn't be taking an obvious bias, but we've taken that too far - now news outlets can't have any "expert" on w/o having an "expert" for whatever other (usually ridiculous) side. I've seen this happen with the creationism crap - can't do a report on evolution w/o having a creationist rebuttal. Horsecrap.
And why exactly is it a media's duty to get "the other side"?
You quote a site about Vince Foster as a counter example? *Chuckle* Where do you get your foil-beanies made?
Considering we're talking about IT folks, I'm guessing the "marry a stripper" possibility is slim indeed.
M.U.L.E*, a-[expletive]-men. Looking at those lists just had me thinking, "ah, kids these days..."
* But the original Atari version; not that cheap knockoff you played.... (big grin)
> Unfortunately, I'm certain that if I made a special lunch sandwich with razorblades, and some bastard stole it and hurt himself, the police would come after me.
Yeah, our law enforcement has gone totally insane to prosecute you for something like that.
> Ok, so basically what you are saying is that we should only learn programming languages on a very
> academic level and never learn to apply them to specific problems because some day those problems
> will no longer be problems and all of our time learning to apply the language in will be wasted.
> Do I understand you correctly?
If you understand him at all, it's because it's essentially YOUR premise.
> I would invest time and money in Ruby on Rails, except that it is obviously a passing fad.
> This is because Rails is designed to solve a specific problem (serving web pages),
> and we know for sure that the serving web pages won't be a problem for all time.
So, YOU aren't going to spend any time learning Rails since the "...time learning to apply the language in will be wasted...", since "...serving web pages won't be a problem for all time..." ?
> I use Windows XP and OS X side by side. I constantly have to reboot XP, and have to run CHKDSK on it all the time.
I'm no Microsoft shill, but I'm calling bullshit on this one. I don't have any double blind quantitative data, but my entire office runs XP and of the people I work with directly (about 10-15, for 3 years in my current position), I have not yet once heard of anyone having to run chkdsk routinely. Reboots, well, more than I'd like, but generally not more than once a week (for me), and I know of many who undock/redock for weeks at a time.
If you're having to reboot "constantly" and run chkdsk "all the time", then there's something else seriously wrong with your machine.
"If this [unit test] is as good as [you] say, it should be part of the compiler. If it is not good enough to be part of the compiler, I wouldn't bother with it."
Your statement is ludicrous. That something isn't part of the compiler does not make it not useful. Taken ad absurdum, do you *ONLY* use the tools that are part of your compiler, and not, say, your IDE? Eclipse, IDEA, etc. have many useful tools that help solve problems, preempt issues, help you out... do you not use those? Why not use the tools if you are given the chance to do so?
> Does that mean Ruby is derailed for Oracle, mysql and postgres developers ?
What would give you that idea? The DB2 adapter is part of Rails, and can be used outside the web-stack if you like. Your question is akin to asking if Java using Oracle is no longer relevant since someone has come out with a type 4 JDBC driver for Sybase.
If you were trying to be funny here, then I apologize for not getting it.
> > Customers don't want to pay out the ass again for you to add a simple feature because you didn't take the time to do it properly the first time around.
> I say that customers want exactly that.
As much as I dislike it, this seems to be the case from where I sit too. At a financial services firm I worked for, a customer so much as told us they'd rather have something out sooner and broken, and pay to fix it later, than having it out not broken, but later.
> Imagine having to spend 10+ hours of grinding to get level 29.
And he means from level 28.5, not from level 1 there boys and girls.
Boisjoly was not told this; it was told to his manager, Lund, in the emergency meeting at Morton Thiokol the night before. Boisjoly, and his peers, were overruled by Lund and HIS management.
But your point that no one said "stop" being a falacy is correct; quite a few people did, and were simply overruled. To everyone's detriment.
The old (then Verant based) Everquest "live events" were pretty much exactly this; except the part where you could kill them. The GM's killing hordes and hordes of players, and generally in a petty vengeance-filled manner though, oh yes, that happened at almost every opportunity. Then the zones would crash.
Languages run on OS's do they?
Moving parts? Serviceability? Those aren't downsides. This is /., man! The only downsides worthy of mention here are how much more into Microsoft (or, how much further away from *BSD/Linux/etc.) you are, how many hippies get offended, or how Canada might be viewed as less pure than the US.
Ballmer didn't mis-contract "it's", however.
> At eight years old Song is already talking about building flying cars and defying Newton's law of gravity while others his age are attending the first grade.
I'm no genius, but where I grew up kids in first grade were all 5(ish). They start 'em late over there?
> dreamchaser writes "After a meteoric rise,...
I dunno about you, but the only meteors I've seen fall, not rise...
I'm nowhere near where I need to be to make any sort of debate here, but how do you explain the observed results of some of these theories? 2 slit experiment, etc? (And more recently, some of the observed behaviors of entangled pairs?)
> int main(){for(;;){fork();};}
What's the last semicolon for?
> She gets a lot of computer programmers in her class that aspire to be science fiction writers.
Given the code out in the wild, I'd say they already are, they just aren't paid as such.
> If you are not sure of this or don't believe, simply go ask for a free copy of your credit report at Experian, Transunion, or whatever the third one was.
Equifax.
Wow, I cancelled my PC Gamer subscription 5 or so years ago and all I get from them is a free issue every 1/2 year or so. And a free issue of all the "sister" magazines every quarter. And this is after I've moved a couple times.