> This would prohibit the initial installation of the data on a commercial server. ( rest of the paragraph deleted)
Somewhere in the old Creative Commons Foundation Guidelines on what "Non Commercial" meant, those scenarios were covered, and were deemed to be acceptable under the CC-BY-NC and CC-BY-NC-ND license.
>So sorry that you don't like it, but the CC-NC license is hostile to commercial use. I don't have any problem with this.
The current Creative Commons Foundation Guidelines on what "Non Commercial" means, do allow for commercial usage of NC content by 501(c)3 organizations.
>The reasonable defense for Wikia here is to claim that their use of the materials is not primarily intended for or directed towards commercial advantage. This is not an unreasonable claim considering that the company is not asserting ownership over the materials and is providing access to them free-of-charge.
How reasonable it is, depends upon which theory of what "non commercial" means, is taken by the party that claims that Wikia is in violation of the NC license.
What will be hard to justify, is converting the CC-BY-NC license to GFDL, without obtaining the consent of the copyright holder.
>The CC license is ambiguous about what constitutes "primarily" commercial use however. The word "intended" is even more tricky.
Which is why Creative Commons Foundation has one set of guidelines on what is allowable; The MIT OWC guidelines on acceptable "non-commercial" usage are radically different; The Burna/Stemra definitions are not congruent with either of those organizations; You can't tell from reading those three items that they are referring to the same license. (OK, Burna/Stemra is a Dutch port. The legal difference is minimal.)
>, but apparently they had to see it a second time before they decided to surrender.
The Japanese Government was negotiating the terms of surrender _prior_ to the US dropping that first bomb.
IOW, there was no moral, ethical, legal, or military reason that justified dropping the first nuclear weapon. The second nuclear merely underscores that the US is, at best, a totally irresponsible country whose inhabitants should be terminated with extreme prejudice, to enhance the safety and security of the rest of the planet.
> Just because it's released under CC, doesn't mean that people must give you a copy of it for free on demand. It just means that the author has permitted people to copy it
I guess you didn't notice that the article in question has a CC-By-NC 2.0 license
Which means that non-gratis distribution is a violation of the license.
Furthermore, as a for profit corporation, distribution or use of material with a CC-By-NC 2.0 license is an automatic violation, regardless of fees for accessing the data.
OUP has three choices: * Negotiate for the right to (commercially) distribute CC-NC material; * Decline all CC-NC material; * Budget several million dollars per year for copyright violations;
If the Board of Director's at OUP has any brains, they will select the first option. Negotiate for the rights for distribution.
> Granted this is at small tiny corporations like Comcast,
Which explains why Comcast Internet Service installers take one look at a Linux box and say "Sorry, no can do', and leave. Then charge for a service call, in which no services were rendered.
You have to go back a bit further in time. Specifically, to the days when you had to purchase Adobe Acrobat Reader.
The IRS decided to put its junk on the Internet. Forms that people might need to fill out, and then mail to them. Nothing import, unless you consider Schedule 1040 and the rest of that gang to be important. So they go looking at what is available, that is more or less read only. The primary requirement is that it be cross platform. The secondary requirement was that users couldn't alter it to easilly. (These forms were to be printed out, not filled in and emailed back.) Adobe had a product that looked good. So the IRS bought it. Then they discovered that nobody could use the forms, becuase they weren't going to pay non-tax deductible dollars for things that the IRS required them to have. So the IRS negotiated a deal with Adobe, that they (the IRS) would pay for the licence for umpteen million copies of Adobe Acrobat reader, and distribute it from their website. So the IRS gave away Adobe acrobat readers. A couple of companies found out about this product, and decided it was useful for them. Then Adobe discovered that it couldn't sell Acrobat reader anymore--- remember all those copies that the IRS had given away. So Adobe did the only thing it could do, and started giving away Acrobat.
Then the rest of the web discovered PDFs.
In 2006 the European Commission decided that all documents need to be in an ISO standard file format by the begining (or end) of 2008. Unless Microsoft can lie, steal, cheat, and commit every crime in the book, and then some, to get OO-XML accepted as an ECMA standard by the end of the year, Microsoft has to pull out of Europe, because their products won't meet European Community requirements.
... Microsoft Open Specification Promise allows no other developer to implement it [OOXML]... Another lie. Where to they get this stuff?
If you had bothered reading the specifications for OO-XML, youi'd discover that roughly a qaurter of the required information is buried in other documents, and another quarter is buried in things that have never been publcily released.
OTOH, this is/. home of those who don't bother to read.
Grammar checkers have been available as third party installs since the days of OOo 1.0. OTOH, maybe you don't use the language that they were developed for.
There is no Pain in using office, it is a good program no matter how much you don't want it to be.
No pain in using MSO is true, if, and only if one does not create documents that have more than one page. Anymore and it will crash. Put three of more graphcis on that page, and it will crash. Write text in several different writing systems, and you probably will get the beloved Blue Screen of Death.
MSO is good for one thing -- its presence indicates that the idiot prefers products that are defective by design.
MS at least SEEMINGLY reaching out to 'make peace')
That reaching out is to do things like changing the structure of MSO2007 purely to ensure that third party ODF convertors that work in release candidates do not work in the final release.
Or stacking the deck so that organizations with legitimate questions about Office Open XML are prevented from attending meetings, and that all questions about implementation of OO-XML are rejected as being "not important".
If Microsoft wants to make peace with the FLOSS community they have to do the following:
Change the EULAs on all of their software to one that neither violates the three tests of Debian Legal, nor fails freedom 0, freedom 1, freedom 2, or freedom 3.
Retract Office Open XML from the standardizations track
Provide complete documentatiion for all file formats for all programs they have created, distributed, sold, licenced, or released since 1982.
Pay the fine that they owe the European Commisison.
Conform to the requirements of the European Commission Court, on all software that they release, distribute, licence, or sell worldwide.
Publicly apologise for destroying Intergalatical Digital Research Corporation, and every other company that they pushed out of writing error messages that falsly claimed that the product was incompatible with DOS, or Windows.
Give US$1,000,000 to every project on source forge that is licenced under the GNU GPL, or GNU LGPL.
As an alternative to the above, the following will suffice:
Release both Windows Vista Enterprise Edition and Windows Vista Ultimate Edition under the GNU GPL 3.0
Release Microsoft Office 2007 Professional Enterprise Edition and Microsoft Office 2007 Ultimate Edition and Microsoft Office Professional Enterprise Blue 2007 under the GNU GPL 3.0;
Until they are willing to do all that, any effort on their part to make peace with the FLOSS community should be viewed with the same degree of skepticism as one would have of an announcement by Pope Benedict XVI that Southern Baptists can take communion at a Mass of the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, without undergoing the Rite of Christian Initiation of an Adult.
When I took a class on buying businesses, one of the ways to finance the deal was to sell off the customer list of the company you're acquiring - regardless of any privacy statement they may have stated to their customers. It's not just eCommerce sites. It's also the Mom and Pop bakery.
Years ago I was offered a business for what looked like an extremely good price. The kicker was that the customer list was not part of the assets being sold. The owner was not going to include the customer list under any circumstances. The company had a privacy policy that the owner was determined to adhere to.
Of course, there is that *one* license that I remember thinking might pass. S
The Open Source Initiative is merely the first hurdle. The second hurdle is getting it approved by the Free Software Foundation. Then they can take a shot at trying to get approval by Debian legal. Once a Microsoft licence has met those three reuqirements, it can be considered to be a valid open source licence.
I fully expect Microsoft to proclaim all of their licences are "Open Source", without any of them meeting any of the criteria that Debian legal has set up.
I do not understand why there is such opposition to biological patents.
Biological patents are awarded on strains of seeds that have existed for hundreds, if not thousands of years. Monsanto is unusual, in that they do some R&D prior to getting a patent.
Why the farmers just don't stick to their traditional crops (versus the GM versions)
Because their seed rep lies to them about the source and type of seed that they are buying. If the farmer has done the traditional save seeds each crop, then they might be able to replant without having to buy seeds. Even so,if there is a GM crop within 20 kilometers of their farm, their crop will be poisoned by the GM crop.
No one is forcing them to buy GM seeds
In Third world countries, the decision to grown GM crops is made in Washington DC. It is not made by the local farmer. US Foreign Aid, The World Bank, and other organizations that ostensibly help developing nations inflict policies on those countries that have one purpose --- to maximize the revenue of multinational megacorporations, and ensure that the "developing countries" remains serfs of the megacorporations.
Food is a weapon that the united states is not shy about using.
The output of the GM crops are that much better.
For the first six or so years. Then crop production drops, and ten years later it is less than a quarter of what it was when GM production started. In some instances, it doesn't even take a decade for the "permanent crop failure" effect to kick in.
f you want natural; starve, along with the billions of others that this planet couldn't naturally support.,/p>
Enough food is grown on the planet for everybody to eat a healthy diet, without resorting to GM Food. Starvation is the result of not distributing food to where it can be used. Famines are the result of governments playing political games with their population.
Is it possible to implement with relative ease into ODF, all the features that Microsoft sees lacking in ODF?
With the behaviour and errors that Microsot insists on including, no. It is possible to convert such gems as 1900 is a leap year in an application that reads/writes MSO file formats. To make that behaviour mandatory is absurd.
Most of the other complaints that Microsoft has are trivial/non-existent.
Furthermore, OOXML can not correctly render most of the world's writing systems, or languages.
Western Union dropped the telegram business on 31 January 2006.
How about a telex?
KPN pulled out of the Telex industry on 9 February 2007.
Amber
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I get 30 Spam emails each day into my gmail account
I get about 150 legit emails per day in my gmail spam box.:(
Every couple of days I click "select all" for the spambox, and move everything to my inbox, saying "not spam".
If you use the library, and have a GMail, Yahoo, or other free email account. Alternatively, parts of the Pacific northwest, and Atlantic north east have free dialup -- so all you need is a landline.
Texting costs far more when companies like VZW charge up to 15 cents a message
Verizon also offers a flat rate unlimited text, picture, and video messaging plan. If you have kids, that is theplan to be on.(That way you don't get sticker shock when you discover that they send 250= text messages per day.
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> This would prohibit the initial installation of the data on a commercial server.
( rest of the paragraph deleted)
Somewhere in the old Creative Commons Foundation Guidelines on what "Non Commercial" meant, those scenarios were covered, and were deemed to be acceptable under the CC-BY-NC and CC-BY-NC-ND license.
>So sorry that you don't like it, but the CC-NC license is hostile to commercial use. I don't have any problem with this.
The current Creative Commons Foundation Guidelines on what "Non Commercial" means, do allow for commercial usage of NC content by 501(c)3 organizations.
>The reasonable defense for Wikia here is to claim that their use of the materials is not primarily intended for or directed towards commercial advantage. This is not an unreasonable claim considering that the company is not asserting ownership over the materials and is providing access to them free-of-charge.
How reasonable it is, depends upon which theory of what "non commercial" means, is taken by the party that claims that Wikia is in violation of the NC license.
What will be hard to justify, is converting the CC-BY-NC license to GFDL, without obtaining the consent of the copyright holder.
>The CC license is ambiguous about what constitutes "primarily" commercial use however. The word "intended" is even more tricky.
Which is why Creative Commons Foundation has one set of guidelines on what is allowable;
The MIT OWC guidelines on acceptable "non-commercial" usage are radically different;
The Burna/Stemra definitions are not congruent with either of those organizations;
You can't tell from reading those three items that they are referring to the same license.
(OK, Burna/Stemra is a Dutch port. The legal difference is minimal.)
Amber
>, but apparently they had to see it a second time before they decided to surrender.
The Japanese Government was negotiating the terms of surrender _prior_ to the US dropping that first bomb.
IOW, there was no moral, ethical, legal, or military reason that justified dropping the first nuclear weapon. The second nuclear merely underscores that the US is, at best, a totally irresponsible country whose inhabitants should be terminated with extreme prejudice, to enhance the safety and security of the rest of the planet.
> Just because it's released under CC, doesn't mean that people must give you a copy of it for free on demand. It just means that the author has permitted people to copy it
I guess you didn't notice that the article in question has a CC-By-NC 2.0 license
Which means that non-gratis distribution is a violation of the license.
Furthermore, as a for profit corporation, distribution or use of material with a CC-By-NC 2.0 license is an automatic violation, regardless of fees for accessing the data.
OUP has three choices:
* Negotiate for the right to (commercially) distribute CC-NC material;
* Decline all CC-NC material;
* Budget several million dollars per year for copyright violations;
If the Board of Director's at OUP has any brains, they will select the first option. Negotiate for the rights for distribution.
Amber
>will take a passport without any other ID. Its so much better than a DL.
The only comment I've ever gotten from using a passport as ID was "So what's your address?"
Amber
>Did it occur to you that when there are Microsoft partners involved in these things (Oh no, Microsoft must have paid them off!)
I guess you didn't read the Microsoft memo that state how much the organizations that voted "yes" were to be paid.
Nor did you read the Microsoft memo that discussed how much to pay the various ECMA officials for ensuring that OOXML was approved?
>you just assume that they're doing Microsoft's bidding because they're a partner?
Nor did you read the Microsoft memo that suggests terminating business relationships with partners who vote "no".
Amber
>Unless there's some SUPREME cctv coverage of the store, it's pretty simple to slip around a corner and no longer be under direct observation.
a) You need to pay more attention to the sky;
b) You've forgotten RFIDs;
Amber
>And that's really worth it? This sounds more like a pissing competition.
The performance gains aren't worth it.
>'ll stick with my pre-compiled binaries thanks.
But the ability to include code that Sun either:
* rejected;
* promised not to includes features for;
do make it worthwhile.
The hardest part is merging what you want to keep, into the official source that one downloads.
Amber
> Granted this is at small tiny corporations like Comcast,
Which explains why Comcast Internet Service installers take one look at a Linux box and say "Sorry, no can do', and leave. Then charge for a service call, in which no services were rendered.
Amber
>I make it a point to respond to every word document attachment with a request for information in a non-proprietary format,
I configured a filter to automatically send a response that they sent out an email that was deleted because it contains a worm, virus, or trojan.
Amber
People began using them in web pages,
You have to go back a bit further in time. Specifically, to the days when you had to purchase Adobe Acrobat Reader.
The IRS decided to put its junk on the Internet. Forms that people might need to fill out, and then mail to them. Nothing import, unless you consider Schedule 1040 and the rest of that gang to be important. So they go looking at what is available, that is more or less read only. The primary requirement is that it be cross platform. The secondary requirement was that users couldn't alter it to easilly. (These forms were to be printed out, not filled in and emailed back.) Adobe had a product that looked good. So the IRS bought it. Then they discovered that nobody could use the forms, becuase they weren't going to pay non-tax deductible dollars for things that the IRS required them to have. So the IRS negotiated a deal with Adobe, that they (the IRS) would pay for the licence for umpteen million copies of Adobe Acrobat reader, and distribute it from their website. So the IRS gave away Adobe acrobat readers. A couple of companies found out about this product, and decided it was useful for them. Then Adobe discovered that it couldn't sell Acrobat reader anymore--- remember all those copies that the IRS had given away. So Adobe did the only thing it could do, and started giving away Acrobat. Then the rest of the web discovered PDFs.
In 2006 the European Commission decided that all documents need to be in an ISO standard file format by the begining (or end) of 2008. Unless Microsoft can lie, steal, cheat, and commit every crime in the book, and then some, to get OO-XML accepted as an ECMA standard by the end of the year, Microsoft has to pull out of Europe, because their products won't meet European Community requirements.
Amber
Another lie. Where to they get this stuff?
If you had bothered reading the specifications for OO-XML, youi'd discover that roughly a qaurter of the required information is buried in other documents, and another quarter is buried in things that have never been publcily released.
OTOH, this is /. home of those who don't bother to read.
Amber
is the lack of a grammar checker.
Grammar checkers have been available as third party installs since the days of OOo 1.0. OTOH, maybe you don't use the language that they were developed for.
Amber
There is no Pain in using office, it is a good program no matter how much you don't want it to be.
No pain in using MSO is true, if, and only if one does not create documents that have more than one page. Anymore and it will crash. Put three of more graphcis on that page, and it will crash. Write text in several different writing systems, and you probably will get the beloved Blue Screen of Death.
MSO is good for one thing -- its presence indicates that the idiot prefers products that are defective by design.
Amber
It's the most productive platform for anything, including your grandmother.
Can you use a Perkins keyboard to navigate within Mac OS X, yet? If not, it is just another toy that might be ready for prime time in another century.
Amber
MS at least SEEMINGLY reaching out to 'make peace')
That reaching out is to do things like changing the structure of MSO2007 purely to ensure that third party ODF convertors that work in release candidates do not work in the final release.
Or stacking the deck so that organizations with legitimate questions about Office Open XML are prevented from attending meetings, and that all questions about implementation of OO-XML are rejected as being "not important".
If Microsoft wants to make peace with the FLOSS community they have to do the following:
As an alternative to the above, the following will suffice:
Until they are willing to do all that, any effort on their part to make peace with the FLOSS community should be viewed with the same degree of skepticism as one would have of an announcement by Pope Benedict XVI that Southern Baptists can take communion at a Mass of the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, without undergoing the Rite of Christian Initiation of an Adult.
When I took a class on buying businesses, one of the ways to finance the deal was to sell off the customer list of the company you're acquiring - regardless of any privacy statement they may have stated to their customers. It's not just eCommerce sites. It's also the Mom and Pop bakery.
Years ago I was offered a business for what looked like an extremely good price. The kicker was that the customer list was not part of the assets being sold. The owner was not going to include the customer list under any circumstances. The company had a privacy policy that the owner was determined to adhere to.
Amber
Almost any B-or-higher graduate in computer science can build a functioning Buy-It-Now button,
Not to mention that a book published circa 1997 describes how to implement it in PERL, using a text file as a database.
Amber
Of course, there is that *one* license that I remember thinking might pass. S
The Open Source Initiative is merely the first hurdle. The second hurdle is getting it approved by the Free Software Foundation. Then they can take a shot at trying to get approval by Debian legal. Once a Microsoft licence has met those three reuqirements, it can be considered to be a valid open source licence.I fully expect Microsoft to proclaim all of their licences are "Open Source", without any of them meeting any of the criteria that Debian legal has set up.
Amber
I do not understand why there is such opposition to biological patents.
Biological patents are awarded on strains of seeds that have existed for hundreds, if not thousands of years. Monsanto is unusual, in that they do some R&D prior to getting a patent.
Amber
Why the farmers just don't stick to their traditional crops (versus the GM versions)
Because their seed rep lies to them about the source and type of seed that they are buying. If the farmer has done the traditional save seeds each crop, then they might be able to replant without having to buy seeds. Even so,if there is a GM crop within 20 kilometers of their farm, their crop will be poisoned by the GM crop.
No one is forcing them to buy GM seeds
In Third world countries, the decision to grown GM crops is made in Washington DC. It is not made by the local farmer. US Foreign Aid, The World Bank, and other organizations that ostensibly help developing nations inflict policies on those countries that have one purpose --- to maximize the revenue of multinational megacorporations, and ensure that the "developing countries" remains serfs of the megacorporations.
Food is a weapon that the united states is not shy about using.
The output of the GM crops are that much better.
For the first six or so years. Then crop production drops, and ten years later it is less than a quarter of what it was when GM production started. In some instances, it doesn't even take a decade for the "permanent crop failure" effect to kick in.
Amber
f you want natural; starve, along with the billions of others that this planet couldn't naturally support.,/p>
Enough food is grown on the planet for everybody to eat a healthy diet, without resorting to GM Food. Starvation is the result of not distributing food to where it can be used. Famines are the result of governments playing political games with their population.
Amber
Is it possible to implement with relative ease into ODF, all the features that Microsoft sees lacking in ODF?
With the behaviour and errors that Microsot insists on including, no. It is possible to convert such gems as 1900 is a leap year in an application that reads/writes MSO file formats. To make that behaviour mandatory is absurd.
Most of the other complaints that Microsoft has are trivial/non-existent.
Furthermore, OOXML can not correctly render most of the world's writing systems, or languages.
Amber
So when's the last time you sent a telegram?
Western Union dropped the telegram business on 31 January 2006.
How about a telex?
KPN pulled out of the Telex industry on 9 February 2007.
Amber
I get 30 Spam emails each day into my gmail account
I get about 150 legit emails per day in my gmail spam box. :(
Every couple of days I click "select all" for the spambox, and move everything to my inbox, saying "not spam".
Amber
E-mail is theoretically free
If you use the library, and have a GMail, Yahoo, or other free email account. Alternatively, parts of the Pacific northwest, and Atlantic north east have free dialup -- so all you need is a landline.
Texting costs far more when companies like VZW charge up to 15 cents a message
Verizon also offers a flat rate unlimited text, picture, and video messaging plan. If you have kids, that is theplan to be on.(That way you don't get sticker shock when you discover that they send 250= text messages per day.
Amber