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A CIO's View of Ubuntu

onehitwonder writes "Well-known CIO John Halamka has rigorously tested six different operating systems over the course of a year in an effort to find a viable alternative to Microsoft Windows on his laptop and his company's computers. Here is CIO.com's initial writeup on Halamka's experiences; we discussed their followup article on SUSE. Now CIO is running a writeup on Halamka's take on Ubuntu and how it stacks up against Novell SUSE 10, RHEL, Fedora, XP, and Mac OS X, in a life-and-death business environment." For the impatient, here's Halamka's conclusion: "A balanced approach of Windows for the niche business application user, Macs for the graphic artists/researchers, SUSE for enterprise kiosks/thin clients, and Ubuntu for power users seems like the sweet spot for 2008."

308 comments

  1. Well known? by Nick+of+NSTime · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've never heard of him.

    1. Re:Well known? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 0

      FYI: Results 1 - 10 of about 64,500 for "John Halamka". (0.13 seconds) . Seems pretty well known if you ask me...

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    2. Re:Well known? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A much smarter approach would be to use the Linux variants, with Ubuntu as the standard desktop and only install a properly sized Windows (and Citrix if needed) Terminal Server for the people who require Windows software. That way you have one point of maintenance/patching and can roll Windows applications to any Linux/MAC user you need to.

    3. Re:Well known? by jimbug · · Score: 5, Funny
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    4. Re:Well known? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Not only that, but the article is also poorly written IMO.

      FTA:

      With Linux, Google and Apple beginning to threaten Microsoft's desktop dominance.. Excuse my ignorance, but how does Google threaten Microsoft's dominance on the "desktop"?
    5. Re:Well known? by veganboyjosh · · Score: 2, Funny
    6. Re:Well known? by sveard · · Score: 1

      The only thing I can think of is being a strong firefox supporter. And maybe the Google Desktop search thing.

    7. Re:Well known? by Nick+of+NSTime · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Did you know who he was before you read the article or Googled him?

    8. Re:Well known? by ak3ldama · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And you sir, are the metric by which all peoples popularity is measured.

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    9. Re:Well known? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 5, Funny

      Did you know who he was before you read the article or Googled him? As a matter of fact, yes. I recognized his name from this article.
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    10. Re:Well known? by Pogue+Mahone · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Results 1 - 10 of about 64,500 for "John Halamka". (0.13 seconds) . Seems pretty well known if you ask me...

      Almost as well-known as I am:

      Ergebnisse 1 - 10 von ungefähr 67.300 für pogue mahone.

      ;-)

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    11. Re:Well known? by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Excuse my ignorance, but how does Google threaten Microsoft's dominance on the "desktop"?

      Ginux is in development and will be ready for a public beta soon.

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    12. Re:Well known? by Hokie06 · · Score: 1

      I've never heard of him. Now I finally know who the world revolves around. Thanks for clearing that up.
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    13. Re:Well known? by pintpusher · · Score: 5, Funny

      none of them are as famous as me: Results 1 - 10 of about 2,230,000,000 for me. (0.09 seconds)

      *rimshot*

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    14. Re:Well known? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither have I. But maybe if TFA have given us his Slashdot ID, I could have remembered him.

    15. Re:Well known? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and to finally end this..
      noone as famous as I am: Results 1 - 10 of about 3,800,000,000 for i [definition]. (0.03 seconds)

    16. Re:Well known? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
    17. Re:Well known? by Stewie241 · · Score: 1

      I would think that Google Docs & Spreadsheets would play a role in this as applications move from desktop to server. The less the desktop is used, the less lock-in Microsoft has.

    18. Re:Well known? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative


      Heh, I knew instantly who he was, but then, I work at Harvard Medical School, which he is CIO of!

    19. Re:Well known? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ginux, as in Gynecologist Linux?
      .
      .
      .
      (I'm so lame)

    20. Re:Well known? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      He's a clown. With a bio like:

      John Halamka has a penchant for experiments with new
      technologies. In 2004, the now 44-year-old CIO of the Harvard Medical School and CareGroup, which runs the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, who is also a practicing emergency room physician, was one of the first people to have an RFID chip containing a link to his medical records implanted in his body (it's near his right triceps.) Next April, he and Harvard geneticist George Church will become the first humans to have their DNA sequenced and their full genetic makeup posted on the Web.


      how can he possibly have time to test anything and then write articles about them? He also has a regular column in ComputerWorld(?)
    21. Re:Well known? by Propaganda13 · · Score: 1, Redundant

      FYI: The Prince of Liechtenstein is more famous than John Halmaka by Google standards.

    22. Re:Well known? by goarilla · · Score: 1

      too bad googlefight.com seems to be broken :(

    23. Re:Well known? by reddburn · · Score: 1

      Did it ever occur to you that some people might be somewhat brighter than you? Might possibly have better time management skills? It must be difficult, having the rest of the world ignore your brilliance while "clowns" like him succeed in a number of fields concurrently.

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    24. Re:Well known? by morcego · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Results 1 - 10 of about 68,600. That is what I get for my name ("First Last", not /. alias).
      7 of the links on the first page (out of 10, duh) are actually correct (really me).

      So, what is my point ? I'm not famous. At all. If that guy only gets 64,500, he is pretty much a John Doe.

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    25. Re:Well known? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    26. Re:Well known? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Web based applications for free for the masses. Google is getting into that in a big way, and this is the very earliest stages of it, not even close to being good yet, but they can keep moving in that direction, they have abundant resources and "read" the market better than MS *at this time*.. Plus mobile computing is just getting started.

      Things change, way back billy the g didn't even think the internet was going to be all that important, he said as much. Well, look today, seems he and MS were wrong, and they had to scramble to catch up, then had to resort to illegal tactics to maintain dominance. of course, they weren't punished enough (they should have been broken up and some executives thrown in jail), but that is water under the bridge now.

      MS makes money on it's OS, which it needs in order to sell their office suite and excel and exchange, etc. It's the "stack" that counts that makes them money, and the traditional lack of serious competition, all of which has changed significantly in the last roughly 3 years or so.. Break one part of their cash cow stack, which google is slowly but surely doing, along with open source firefox as a browser and open office looming, etc.. and ..well, it's broken then. MS *needs* that profit stack setup intact with no competition of note to function, and that is just not the case now. It used to be, and that is why they got where they are now, but like I said..things change..

      If people can use something different and relatively free and of better quality with less bugs, etc, for those applications they are currently paying large dollars for, eventually there won't be a need for that particular OS to do a lot of your normal stuff. Look at PC history! Remember what stuff used to cost? It used to be your actual hardware was the HUGE cost, not the software-but not now, it is exactly the oppoisite, and for digital bits that everyone knows can be reproduced for mere pennies? Sure, people are stupid as a rule, but eventually even the dullest of the dull is going to grasp this fact, even the most diehard stupidest pointy haired boss. See how things change in relatively short historical time scales? MS is akin to the traditional music industry today, the MAFIAA, technology has overtaken them but they are stuck on last century's business model, they certainly can't even conceive of giving up their so called "jobs" and doing something different, so they don't, and have to resort to gaming the legal system and other questionalb eacts to keep the dollars flowing in...but at the same time, the world-the market-is starting to flow around these quite unreasonable restrictions, because..things just change, that's it.

      The combination of open source and google and cheaper and cheaper hardware, etc, will be a huge winner in the future, unless-and this is too much of a wildcard for me to predict, as they have to be careful about it-unless MS bribes off significant numbers of governments and business purchasing agents to maintain their defacto monopoly as it stands now (monopoly in the US legal stance for the pedantic nazis here). And that is what it will take, outright crass cash bribery, because they no longer can compete on code quality, speed of innovations or convenience or cost. And that is also leaving out the fact that the young people just entering the business world now understand this MUCH better than the people they will be replacing.Generation Y in particular is just *not* going to put up with paying MS or a number of other currently high level corporations huge sums of mo9ney for software. this is not going to happen, and neither will the developing nations of the world, particularly the BRIC nations and to a lesser extent but still there, the EU.

      The only things keeping MS afloat right now are economic inertia, because of previous install base, document lock down, OEM driver inertia, and mail/calendaring (which the open source world should push for/w

    27. Re:Well known? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Halamka didn't write the article.

    28. Re:Well known? by R3 · · Score: 1

      Ouch.
      Owned! :P

    29. Re:Well known? by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      It's just like the world-famous Hollywood stars that no-one knows. Of the 10% of people that goes to a movie once a decade, maybe 1% may remember the name of a 'star'...

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    30. Re:Well known? by wordsnyc · · Score: 1

      No, no, GIN-ux. Comes with a big bottle. Helps a lot.

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    31. Re:Well known? by rubycodez · · Score: 0, Redundant

      and Flanders was wrong, bigger than Jesus my ass: Results 1 - 10 of about 6,220,000 for "the beatles". (0.07 seconds)

    32. Re:Well known? by Seismologist · · Score: 1

      Funny, I get different results: Results 1 - 100 of about 143,000,000 for Jesus

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    33. Re:Well known? by zish · · Score: 1

      Finally finally end this.
      Nobody, I mean NOBODY is as famous as the...
      ...not even this.
      /knows this personally.

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    34. Re:Well known? by Yfrwlf · · Score: 1

      Flawed. If you put quotes around "East Australian orange-ringed octopus" so that you're looking for that exact animal, the only link you get is the one for this Slashdot article. :)

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    35. Re:Well known? by sgholt · · Score: 1

      Nothing new in his opinions, I have heard the same for quite a while... but Ubuntu for power users?
      That is a joke! Or a newbie mistake...which I conclude is the case.

    36. Re:Well known? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm just a lowly AC but..."I've never heard of him" gets a +3 insightful? That's just weird.

    37. Re:Well known? by Nick+of+NSTime · · Score: 1

      It was moderated up and down, up and down. Some people understood my point, others did not.

  2. A genius! by niceone · · Score: 5, Funny

    This man is a genius! Obviously the main problem for CIOs switching from MS to linux is: What happens to the saved licensing costs? You don't want it cut from your budget because that will make you less important...

    So this guy's answer: replace it with 4 different OS's! That's 4x the support staff! Might even require a budget increase! And headcount, oh more of that lovely headcount!

    I suspect once this idea gets out it really will be the year of the linux desktop!

    Now, I just have to figure out if I'm joking or not. I know I don't usually end every sentence with an exclamation mark...

    1. Re:A genius! by omeomi · · Score: 1

      So this guy's answer: replace it with 4 different OS's! That's 4x the support staff! Might even require a budget increase! And headcount, oh more of that lovely headcount!

      Realistically, many companies that employ graphics people already have both Macs and Windows users. And I wouldn't think SUSE and Ubuntu are really all that different from a support perspective. Not sure why he thinks OSX is better for researchers, though. I tried looking at the article for more information, but I'm not going to wade through 17 pages of ads...

    2. Re:A genius! by Otter · · Score: 1
      I suspect once this idea gets out it really will be the year of the linux desktop!

      2008 is gonna be the year of Windows, OS X, SuSE and Ubuntu on the desktop!

      Seriously, though, it seems that what he's calling the difference between SuSE and Ubuntu is actually the difference between KDE and GNOME. At a minimum, it's the difference between their default desktop configurations. I'm not sure I'd trust this guy as a Linux expert, however "well-known" he may be.

    3. Re:A genius! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Joking you may be, but those were very close to my thoughts as well. Most businesses I have worked for are out to make money and any time not treading toward that goal is a huge waste and tantamount to lost revenue. That being said, I can only imagine trying to present such a plan to a committee of corporate execs - (you should have heard the howls when a change to the "Office Suite" was suggested - and this was from Office 2003 to 2007!). A plan to go with multiple Linux desktops would get shot down from every aspect that would be considered: usability, training, support, audit and compliance, etc etc. The costs involved would quickly outweigh the (this is cool!) gains and I doubt that a valid argument exists that would convince management that this is a good idea.

    4. Re:A genius! by kebes · · Score: 1

      Seriously, though, it seems that what he's calling the difference between SuSE and Ubuntu is actually the difference between KDE and GNOME. At a minimum, it's the difference between their default desktop configurations. I'm not sure I'd trust this guy as a Linux expert, however "well-known" he may be.
      I don't think he's claiming to be a Linux expert. Moreover, his target audience is not Linux enthusiasts who are trying to pick the best distro. His audience is other corporate-types who want to know how these operating systems work "out of the box." That one can customize any Linux distro to act like any other is not really the point--the discussion is about how much functionality (and retraining costs, etc.) corporations can expect if they migrate from one OS to another.

      Though I don't agree with every single point he makes, I find the discussion remarkably fair and balanced. You'll notice, in fact, that the analysis mentions more than once than some of the problems encountered, or features available, would be there on any Linux distribution, not just the ones tested.
    5. Re:A genius! by good+soldier+svejk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And I wouldn't think SUSE and Ubuntu are really all that different from a support perspective. Not sure why he thinks OSX is better for researchers, though. I tried looking at the article for more information, but I'm not going to wade through 17 pages of ads...
      Having been part of this evaluation process, I can tell you that Ubuntu is much easier to support, but Novell offers far better enterprise support (including developer resources) for Suse, which is more important for the applications he proposes. I won't speak for John, but my guess is he thinks OS X is better for researchers because it it runs all the unixy apps the researchers require and even in its most wild and wooly user installed form is easily supportable by our existing resources. You can read the first article for more information. As John points out in the article, we have no control over what researchers buy with their grant money anyway. Except for a few "power users" who prefer GNU, there is pretty much concensus among researchers that OS X is the best platform for them. At any rate my experience here has been that there is no net cost to supporting OS X since our marginal cost for supporting Macs is lower than Windows boxes. OTOH, it probably isn't as good for kiosk workstation applications because of the lack of low end hardware options. In that application, where distributed support is a small fraction of cost, the best route is to keep capital cost to a minimum, which means GNU.

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    6. Re:A genius! by R2.0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "I'm not sure I'd trust this guy as a Linux expert, however "well-known" he may be."

      Sigh...

      The whole point is that he is NOT a Linux expert, just like the other 99% of us out here in userland. Just like 95% of us are not Windows "experts". Allow me to clue in the 1%:

      1) I don't care about KDE and Gnome either, nor do I care to know.
      2) I don't want to be an "expert" at either system, but that doesn't mean I can't form opinions about how well something works for me or my organization.

      It sounds like the Ubuntu folks seem to get what a large portion of the Linux community refuses to see - most end users don't care about esoterica. We just want it to work reasonably well. Not even perfect - just reasonably easy to use. Hell, I'm ready to make the switch to Ubuntu, but for my slavery to Quicken. But the other distributions? Meh. I ditched the command line with Dos and Win3.1 - my memory s crowded enough without having to emmorize command line switches for operations I don't do every day.

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    7. Re:A genius! by OptimusPaul · · Score: 1

      I know that the medical research field has a lot of mac users. I wouldn't say it dominates or is even a majority, it was a long time ago when I observed this. Could be that many of the large university research institutions tend to support mac users as well. Again, I don't think apple is dominant here either.

      Personally, and this is speaking as a long time Mac user who also uses windows and linux, I don't think it really matters what OS you use as long as you can find the applications you need, or you can create the applications you need. That's actually kind of how I got into linux, I had some ambitious goals for some wild product/project ideas and no applications existed for it. So I was going to have to create the applications myself. I choose linux simply because it was new to me and free. I have yet to really get anywhere with those goals, but I'm glad that I took the time to play with linux.

      Someday I predict more people, and not just nerds like me, but general business users, artists and senior citizens will be able to use any platform without having to take a class or read a book. <rant>I think that the OS should be more transparent, and merely a mediation layer. I think they have become too bloated with "features" that should be provided outside of the OS.</rant>

      Ummm... go mustangs.

    8. Re:A genius! by Otter · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The whole point is that he is NOT a Linux expert, just like the other 99% of us out here in userland.

      No, but he's a CIO publicly holding forth on the suitability of one Linux over another for certain applications based on the failure to understand that you can change the desktop environment! Maybe I'm a Linux snob but that seems like a striking lack of understanding. It's not like he was complaining about the lack of some obscure functionality and I chimed in with "its fixed in CVS so stop spredding FUD you M$ a$troturfer"!

    9. Re:A genius! by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      "Not sure why he thinks OSX is better for researchers, though"

      I would guess that, when the researchers in question were in school, Apple owned the education market. They got used to Apples, and Apples are what they are used to. And if their researchers are anything like the ones I've dealt with, hiring extra staff is far easier on the organization than listening to the bitching, pissing, and moaning that ensues when a medical researcher doesn't get his or her way.

      Think of it this way - they've been indoctrinated in the "doctor's are gods" attitude by their traing, but their people skills are so poor that they prefer to work for less pay as long as they can be relatively isolated. But tehy are still cranky and bitter about it.

      Come to think of it, that describes a lot of the attitudes ascribed to programmers here...

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    10. Re:A genius! by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Having been part of this evaluation process, I can tell you that Ubuntu is much easier to support, but Novell offers far better enterprise support (including developer resources) for Suse, which is more important for the applications he proposes.


      Hmmm. Teah, enterprise support from Canonical is lacking, IMHO. OTOH, Ubuntu has all of the same enterprise and developer features that SuSE has. OTOH, from in terms of systems administration, Ubuntu currently lacks some of the slick tools that are and have been a part of YaST, such as the graphical LVM (logical volume management) tools. Not that Ubuntu doesn't support LVM, and the text-mode installer certainly works great with LVM, but YaST is just a better all-around admin tool than anything in Ubuntu. Plus, Ubuntu doens't have any analogue to Red Hat's Kickstart or SuSE's YaST when it comes to creating standard workstation or server configurations for automatic installation.

      OTOH, it probably isn't as good for kiosk workstation applications because of the lack of low end hardware options.


      Um, Mac Mini. Admittedly, the price of $599 seems too expensive for 'low-end' hardware, but it's diminuitive 6.5"x6.5"x2" size seems to be tailor-made for kiosk applications.

    11. Re:A genius! by good+soldier+svejk · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, but he's a CIO publicly holding forth on the suitability of one Linux over another for certain applications based on the failure to understand that you can change the desktop environment! Maybe I'm a Linux snob but that seems like a striking lack of understanding. It's not like he was complaining about the lack of some obscure functionality and I chimed in with "its fixed in CVS so stop spredding FUD you M$ a$troturfer"!
      No, he actually understands the situation much better than you. For one thing, he knows that the default desktop environment in Suse is not KDE, it is a very customized version of GNOME. However, for purposes of this evaluation it didn't matter to him how customizable GNOME is. The important question was how the two distributions performed without massive re-engineering. Otherwise he might as well have started with Debian itself. I believe he made that clear in the article. Hence he concluded that the default GNOME config in Ubuntu was much better then the default implementation in Suse, and the default package management in Ubuntu was far better than the equivelent in Suse. He knew he could make either GNOME install behave as he pleased. I have actually seen him use gconf. He also knew he could install apt-rpm and all the OpenSuse repositories and make Suse's package management more like Ubuntu's. This is why we have distributions, to optimize GNU/Linux for specific niches. If we were just going to start with a ablank slate and customize everything to meet our need we would all be running Debian.
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    12. Re:A genius! by Ichoran · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As a researcher, I think it depends on the field.

      If you need to run specialized commercial software for data capture or analysis, you need Windows. Very few companies support anything else. Those that do (e.g. National Instruments) offer only a subset of their tools which aren't well integrated into the platforms.

      If you just need a computer that is pretty and powerful and you don't have to worry about, you need OS X. Stuff just works; you can forget about the computing and focus on the research.

      If you are in research that involves computation or statistics, you need Linux. The standard tools are more powerful and flexible than anything you can find under Windows, and the headache of getting these to work on a Mac more than offsets the slightly smoother interface in some areas.

      And from what I've seen, researchers' preferences in these fields tend to follow the needs above. (People who are mostly interested in data collection/hardware interface generally prefer Windows, biology researchers generally like Macs, bioinformatics folks like Linux, etc..)

    13. Re:A genius! by Otter · · Score: 1
      For one thing, he knows that the default desktop environment in Suse is not KDE, it is a very customized version of GNOME.

      No, I hadn't known that. Is it really "massive re-engineering" to get it to work like the Ubuntu default? I hadn't objected to his point about package management, which certainly is a major barrier between one distro and another, but had thought that customizing a GNOME or KDE desktop is easily within the capacity of any IT department that's going to be capable of subsequently maintaining it. If that's not the case for Novell's version, then I'm mistaken.

    14. Re:A genius! by AeroIllini · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I ditched the command line with Dos and Win3.1 I agree with your post, I just wanted to share a bit of wisdom that I shamelessly stole from someone's sig.

      DOS is like Unix in exactly the same way that a Pinto is like an aircraft carrier.

      For your job, the command line is not very efficient, and a GUI is better. For a sysadmin, whose job involves lots of scripting and configuration, it is essential - and MS-DOS doesn't even hold a candle to what's possible in bash.

      But you're right... Linux fanatics can't expect everyone to edit xorg.conf by hand and apply diff patches to rebuild their wireless drivers. Regular people need GUIs, and hand-holding scripts. Power users want bash scripting and piping. Different tasks, different tools. We can't neglect either.
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    15. Re:A genius! by snoyberg · · Score: 1

      I doubt that a valid argument exists that would convince management that this is a good idea.

      So if a valid argument won't work, let's try an invalid one:

      Recent trends in economic projection clearly show that the best kept secret in the industry in diversification in technological resources. It is well documented that the most enterprise-ready solution to this is a utilization of multiple operating system platforms to increase worker productivity.

      There, see if that works on them ;)

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    16. Re:A genius! by Helios1182 · · Score: 1

      Computer science (faculty and grad students) in academia is mostly Linux and OS X here.

    17. Re:A genius! by Gromius · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Also as researcher (high energy particle physics, so very heavy on the computation and stats) I noticed that 50% - 80% of my colleagues own a mac laptop of some variety and that this is common though out the field. However they are used primary as an interface to our linux servers which are actually used to do the stats/computation. Apparently they are unixy enough having X windows and a terminal to be able to do this (unlike windows which always feels like a hack) while having that "It Just Works" ease of use. Although to be honest I often find that when interfacing with linux the mac is more like "It Just Works (well almost works, apart from a few fiddly things that you can probably learn to live without)" so I tend to avoid them myself.

    18. Re:A genius! by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

      You still miss the point. They shouldn't have to DO anything to the SUSE default install to get it to work like Ubuntu's. It either just works out of the box or it doesn't. Ubuntu, OS X and Windows for the purposes of this evaluation worked out of the box. SUSE didn't.

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    19. Re:A genius! by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm a Linux snob but that seems like a striking lack of understanding.

      You probably are, but that's not relevant. He wasn't saying, which version of Linux, with which desktop (and should I fork that version and change schedulers) best fits my needs, but which distro. Period. You choose bad defaults, you lose. And that is the selection critera, which, frankly, is the only way software becomes friendly enough for 99.9% of people to use. More Linux snobs should insist it work best for most users by default.

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    20. Re:A genius! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OTOH, I'm left wondering just how many other hands you have...

    21. Re:A genius! by Doctor+O · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hell, I'm ready to make the switch to Ubuntu, but for my slavery to Quicken.

      Then switch to Ubuntu, download VMWare Server (free as in beer), install your Windows license in a VM, put Quicken on it and be done. With the snapshots in VMware you can easily test install stuff and just roll back to the state before the install if you don't like the results. Burn the VM onto a DVD and never reinstall Windows again.

      "I would love to switch but I need $windows_app" is not a viable excuse anymore.

      If you need assistance with installing VMWare Server under Ubuntu, feel free to ask.
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    22. Re:A genius! by Swampash · · Score: 1

      At my workplace the alpha geeks all use Macs, across Operations, Development, and IT. I think the only groups in which there are no Mac users are senior management and Research :)

    23. Re:A genius! by good+soldier+svejk · · Score: 1

      It would be a big PITA because it isn't just window dressing. You would first have to sort out all the management tools. They mix and match GNOME and Yast components. The interfaces between the two are inconsistgent and their launchers are semi-randomly distributed throughout the interface. You would have to go through and make packages for all the missing GNOME tools, then make sure the interfaces were all stock, since they change some of them. Then you could start reconfiguring the base GUI to conform to GNOME standards. It would probably be easier to just install it without its own GNOME and install stock GNOME from scratch. Of course then your package management would be borked. Anyway, his point is that as delivered Suse would make a decent kiosk machine with a limited application set. However, for a workstation OS it would need a reworked interface and package management. You could redo that yourself, but why? You would lose the only advantage the distro currently has, great enterprise tech support. That said, the interface is no worse than Windows.

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    24. Re:A genius! by good+soldier+svejk · · Score: 1

      Hmmm. Teah, enterprise support from Canonical is lacking, IMHO. OTOH, Ubuntu has all of the same enterprise and developer features that SuSE has. OTOH, from in terms of systems administration, Ubuntu currently lacks some of the slick tools that are and have been a part of YaST, such as the graphical LVM (logical volume management) tools. Not that Ubuntu doesn't support LVM, and the text-mode installer certainly works great with LVM, but YaST is just a better all-around admin tool than anything in Ubuntu. Plus, Ubuntu doens't have any analogue to Red Hat's Kickstart or SuSE's YaST when it comes to creating standard workstation or server configurations for automatic installation.
      Yast is one of the things we dislike about Suse. The interface is confusing to say the least, and Novell has done a poor job of integrating it with GNOME. We also experienced a high failure rate, with many components just crapping out. Most importantly, as Halamka noted in the article, it does terrible job of update and install management. You are right about the LVM GUI and install tools. That is part of why John said that Suse was a more enterprise oriented distribution. I was just saying that the GUI administration tools in a default Suse install are total hamburger from a workstation operator's perspective. The GNOME tools are not available in the base GNOME locations, they are partially aggregated in a control panel app which also includes parts of Yast in some places and a panel for Yast itself. And Yast itself does not work well.

      Um, Mac Mini. Admittedly, the price of $599 seems too expensive for 'low-end' hardware, but it's diminuitive 6.5"x6.5"x2" size seems to be tailor-made for kiosk applications.
      I said "options." I don't think one choice constitutes options. I would want to be able to choose between vendors. The capital cost is not so high as to be a dealbreaker, but if it changed, we would be SOL.
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    25. Re:A genius! by reddburn · · Score: 1

      Recycled iMacs (ones that have been replaced) frequently end up as kiosks.

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    26. Re:A genius! by Spikeles · · Score: 1

      "I would love to switch but I need $windows_app" is not a viable excuse anymore.
      What if $windows_app=="Supreme Commander" or $windows_app=="Crysis". Oh yeah, they are going to run well under VMWare or Cedega/WINE(Wine is NOT an emulator!)
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    27. Re:A genius! by Crispy+Critters · · Score: 1
      "If you need to run specialized commercial software for data capture or analysis, you need Windows"

      That may often be true, but not always.

      I have a couple really nice digitizers that run Linux in the firmware that live in a rack with a controller running Linux and store the data (closing in on 1 TB) on a Linux server. The code controlling the digitizers and archiving the data is free to download (but not officially open source). All the data analysis is done in a commercial data analysis programming language which runs on Linux. (The same hardware and software could run under Windows, too.)

    28. Re:A genius! by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "Moreover, his target audience is not Linux enthusiasts who are trying to pick the best distro. His audience is other corporate-types who want to know how these operating systems work "out of the box.""

      So now "corporate environment" and "out of the box" are synonims? Last time I checked corporate enviros tended to have their own release/image/whatever... even on Windows.

      "I find the discussion remarkably fair and balanced"

      I found it cliché after cliché. I don't need any "big name" to repeat what, true or false, is already 'vox populi'.

    29. Re:A genius! by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "It either just works out of the box or it doesn't."

      No doubt next year will be "Linux on the desktop then". If it's a question about "it works out of the box or it doesn't", then no Microsoft solution can be the answer (antivirus, management tools and policies, tons of third party apps each one with it's share of weird CLUFs -each different to the other, patch management...).

    30. Re:A genius! by fimbulvetr · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that vmware snapshots provide a much better solution to constantly having to redo/startover from scratch huge amounts of your quicken db because the buggy piece of shit somehow magically died. I'm not just talking about restoring from backup, I'm talking about the program itself which occasionally stops working on some things (like online updating, etc) for no reason whatsoever, only to magically start working the next week.

      Not surprisingly, though, is that ms money does the _exact_ same thing but only stops working for a few days at a time and at least it has a consistent GUI for those of us not in love with a Mouse like you need to be with the newer quickens.

    31. Re:A genius! by good+soldier+svejk · · Score: 1

      You still miss the point. They shouldn't have to DO anything to the SUSE default install to get it to work like Ubuntu's. It either just works out of the box or it doesn't. Ubuntu, OS X and Windows for the purposes of this evaluation worked out of the box. SUSE didn't.
      To be fair, Suse's GNOME worked as well or better than Windows. And overall it was more stable and reliable.
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    32. Re:A genius! by xenocide2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The important question was how the two distributions performed without massive re-engineering. When I read CIO evaluations, I expect a perspective that includes how organizations can create and deploy changes to the base platform. I know places that revert the Windows XP theme to "Classic", as it's more familiar to their people. If you're considering deploying Linux, you would do well to consider hiring a Linux expert to help you with such things, just as you hire Windows experts. Honestly, I understand your compatriot didn't write this article, but the level of detail offered is no substitute for expert advice. Perhaps there's a whitepaper report for sale in the works?

      There are some important problems to recognize, although I hope you can pardon my amazement that people still want to listen to MIDIs at all. MIDI playback in Ubuntu is not as simple as it could be. While I don't know why this matters as an evaluation of 40,000 user base suitability, it might be the best example for the state of Ubuntu usability. At the moment, MIDI is recognized as a music filetype by GNOME, but gstreamer (and totem as a consequence) can't handle it. So first instinct when something doesn't work is to check the repos. There are 87 hits for "midi" in my apt-cache search. Once you exclude the libraries and random extra hits for midi maze clones and the like, you get about ten options. The first one is kmid. kmid looks like it would work out great in kubuntu, but I'm guessing it can't handle the lack of artsd running in the background or something, as I heard no sound. The last one on the list is timidity++. It works fine on the command line, but even if you install the extra interfaces, the interface isn't that great.

      Gutsy (to be released in October) handles it slightly differently. If you double click to open a .mid, by default it opens up an install applications dialog, suggesting amarok or kmid. Timidity is tragically absent, and kmid still doesn't work after installation. Ideally, midi playback should be part of the gstreamer set of plugins, and MIDI would work out of the box with the default totem GUI. In practice, work has been done in gstreamer that basically ports timidity to the gstreamer framework (as well as wildmidi, another midi library). This work was started in February 2007, so I can understand why it didn't make it into the current release. The better question, and one I don't immediately have an answer for, is why it's not yet hit development branch in Ubuntu. There exists a bounty to bring this functionality to life, so if anyone's looking to earn what appears to be around 200 dollars, this whole problem could be wrapped up by October or sooner.

      As an aside, I do appreciate the implication that Debian is the mother of all Linux. And we should recognize that organizations, hired bounties, or outside firms like SuSE, can make these re-engineering feats simple via open source.
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    33. Re:A genius! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      "Apparently they [Macs] are unixy enough having X windows and a terminal to be able to do this..."

      And if you install MacFUSE from Google on your Mac, you get GUI file navigation/access via SSH on those Linux boxes.

    34. Re:A genius! by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      That doesn't answer the question. Schools used to carry Apple ][ computers way back in the day, so thusly OS X is better for research?

      Most Mac users I know tend to use Adobe Creative Suite which is available on Windows (and thusly Linux via Wine) as well, and until CS3 came out, it ran faster on Windows than on OS X. So I don't really get how Macs are "better for graphics" anymore.

      Can we please stop throwing these statements around like they mean something today? If you're going to go over the virtues of an OS, then lets talk about actual virtues of the OS. I'm sure Apple has some, I just don't know because I've barely used OS X and wasn't blown away. If this guy is a genius CIO I don't know why because his conclusions don't seem very rational or relevant.

      I work in IT and this in my opinion, thought it doesn't count for squat.

      The advantage of having Windows from an IT stand-point is two-fold. With standard/common Windows apps, you presume the end-users require less training since Windows is so common than they would need with a different OS. Secondly, when you purchase workstations, you already paid for the Windows license. You can purchase servers without an OS to save money, but it seems like we're talking workstation deployment here.

      Out of the box, SuSe joins our domain and integrates into Active Directory nicely. Ubuntu can do this with just a little nudging as well. Both have major vendors from which you can get support. Both have some nifty package managers, easy installs and fully-featured desktop experiences (though I am extremely partial to KDE so I've used Kubuntu at home more than I've used Ubuntu at work). For workstation deployment, they are both very capable. In scenarios when your software is proprietary and you need full training regardless, I'd advocate Linux for low-cost of ownership and ease of administration. I also prefer the smaller, gradual upgrade cycle of Windows. Home users often don't really understand how difficult a Windows version migration can be in an enterprise environment with mission critical apps with poor support from vendors that only work on a certain version of Windows. Assuming you're not trapped in Windows due to vendor requirements, or that you can get by with Wine, I'd advocate SuSe or (K)Ubuntu when I could.

      I currently work in the IT department of a fairly large newspaper company. We own a bunch of papers, and in 2001 we won an award for being the most technologically advanced newspaper company in the country. We're pretty big on automation, emerging technologies, etc. We aren't afraid to mix platforms, and experiment with what's out there. Many of our actual newsroom run on Apple products for years and years, but we've been getting them off Apple as much as possible primarily because they are a pain to support. I haven't used them or supported them a great deal, and I can't speak with much experience on the matter, but my coworkers who have been here years seem to loathe supporting OS X as a platform though they have no qualms supporting 95, NT, 2000, 2003, XP, Solaris and Linux side by side here every day. My last shop I was responsible for administering a bunch of AIX, AS/400, Red Hat and Windows servers and integrating live data between them. I'm not sure of the complications handling Apples in a cross-platform environment but apparently those issues exist. It is possible that it was simply an issue with training. For those familiar with *nix environments, one can get around Linux, Unix and Solaris without too much trouble, and most people know Windows. Maybe no one in the IT department knew anything about OS X and that was the issue. However, I can't think of an advantage for deploying Macs as workstations in an enterprise environment. They aren't cheap, there is a learning curve, and I don't think they are aimed at the workstation crowd.

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    35. Re:A genius! by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      "I also prefer the smaller, gradual upgrade cycle of Windows"

      I meant over Windows. Windows has big, ugly, API-breaking upgrades.

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    36. Re:A genius! by Fnkmaster · · Score: 1

      Agreed - I've moved over to a Macbook as my laptop platform, and I need to use Quickbooks regularly, so I just run it in a Parallels VM on Windows XP. Works flawlessly, and runs much faster than it did on my old Thinkpad. The Core 2 Duo 2GHz is much beefier than the Pentium M 1.4GHz on my Thinkpad, and I have half a gig of my 2 gigs of RAM dedicated to my Parallels VM.

      Virtualization technology has gotten to the point where there is no reason for slavery to a single app to tie you down to an OS anymore. And the prevalence of multicore processors and the cost of a couple gigs of RAM have actually made it feasible to run an OS in the background much of the time with no noticeable performance degradation of your system, and at nearly native speed.

      It is finally possible to run Windows side-by-side with Mac and Linux and wean yourself onto using a new platform without giving up those critical apps that you can't live without.

    37. Re:A genius! by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      MS-DOS is hardly the popular command-line tool used by Windows sysadmins today for scripting and configuration.

    38. Re:A genius! by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Adobe Creative Suite which is available on Windows (and thusly Linux via Wine)

      Good luck trying to get CS3 running smoothly and without hazzle in Crossover, or WINE for that matter. The last tyme I checked, two or three months ago, the last version of PS that was certified to run well in Crossover was PH7.

      Falcon
    39. Re:A genius! by good+soldier+svejk · · Score: 1

      If you're considering deploying Linux, you would do well to consider hiring a Linux expert to help you with such things, just as you hire Windows experts.
      The hospital's clinical system run on a three tier (net, app, database) GFS/RHEL4 cluster which PXE boots diskless servers then pivotroots them to a SAN file system (essentially a home rolled iSCSI substitute to work around the inadequacies of FC SAN boot). Staff members have contributed code to the kernel and various GNU projects. In fact, while designing the clinical cluster one of the engineers discovered a bug in RedHat's code, patched it and contributed it upstream. I wouldn't say we have any Windows "experts" although we have some capable admins.

      On the desktop, it is a juice-squeeze issue. Destops are a necessary evil. All our clinical applications are webified, thanks to Halamka, who wrote much of that code himself. Novell is good enough for that as is, and has good enterprise support to boot. It certainly isn't worth our while to devote resources to making it as good as Ubuntu for laptop users. Oh BTW, our current Windows based locked down kiosk machines run OpenOffice.org.
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    40. Re:A genius! by bhima · · Score: 1

      This is more or less in line with my experience in research as well. Where I work many of the researchers have Macs, the heavy lifting is done on UNIX boxes in dark corners of the campus where no one goes, there are a fleet of old laptops running around with Windows & Labview, the developers all run some flavor of Linux and I'm pretty sure all of the outward facing servers run Solaris 8 (at least all that I've ever been forced to poke at do).

      My only real complaint is that email is Microsoft Only (by decree), honestly I don't see that lasting more than a couple of years as I think of it as a throw back from we were a 'Microsoft only' company (which was doomed for failure to begin with). Honestly I can't imagine that MS homogeny truly works for most companies above a certain size.

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    41. Re:A genius! by wild_berry · · Score: 1

      Hell, I'm ready to make the switch to Ubuntu, but for my slavery to Quicken.

      Some day soon I'll dd a backup of my NTFS drive and run Windows when needed in a VirtualBox within Ubuntu.

    42. Re:A genius! by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

      > My only real complaint is that email is Microsoft Only (by decree)

      You have a few alternatives (assuming you use Linux or can hack your Mac to run Linux stuff):

      1. If they have the IMAP server turned on, Thunderbird works fine.
      2. If they don't have the IMAP server turned on, badger them until they do.
      3. If you can't get them to turn the IMAP server on, Evolution can connect without it (though it's hacky).
      4. If NONE OF THAT works, then you can run IE6 under WINE and use the Exchange webmail interface.

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    43. Re:A genius! by bhima · · Score: 1

      Having to use my email on a different machine doesn't really bother me, though I do think the current version of Outlook needs a lot of improvements (and this sort of gives me a blunt weapon to protest the policy with). In any event your suggestions would likely result in the storm troopers coming to my office and marching me out the door.

      So It's far better to ignore the email situation until the policy changes. I've been at this job for decades, no policy (or technology) lasts forever.

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    44. Re:A genius! by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

      > In any event your suggestions would likely result in the storm troopers coming to my office and marching me out the door.

      !

      I misunderstood your previous comment, then. I assumed you meant that company policy was that the email /servers/ run on Exchange, not that you have to use Outlook to check your email on the client! Mandating an email server can be justified on a server consolidation basis (even though standardizing on Exchange is rather dumb); mandating an email client is truly nonsensical. I guess the concept of "webmail" is foreign to whatever brain-dead slug invented /that/ policy.

      Well, certainly I wouldn't suggest you risk your job ... may sanity return to your workplace soon :( Outlook runs in WINE but I'm not sure if that would satisfy their neurosis...

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    45. Re:A genius! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you can run IE6 under WINE and use the Exchange webmail interface.

      Or you could use FireFox. It does actually work, you know. The only thing you don't get is NTLM authentication, and one odd issue when it asks you to authenticate when you log *out*, but apart from that, it's always been perfectly fine for me.

    46. Re:A genius! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      If you need assistance with installing VMWare Server under Ubuntu, feel free to ask.
      Or you could do it the easy way, install it on Windows and run Ubuntu in a VM...
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    47. Re:A genius! by battjt · · Score: 1

      Why mess around with the free version of VMWare? Go ahead and buy a supported version if you are installing $400 worth of software in it ($300 for a non OEM version of XP and $100 for Quicken).

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    48. Re:A genius! by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      I said "options." I don't think one choice constitutes options. I would want to be able to choose between vendors. The capital cost is not so high as to be a dealbreaker, but if it changed, we would be SOL.


      Well, there is always older hardware, but yeah, I see your point. That's always been one of the problems with OS X hardware from a corporate perspective -- there's only one vendor. Of course, the funny thing is that most corporate IT departments standardize on one vendor for each type of system installed anyway. Sure, they're prepared to switch, but they almost never do because, well, "that's the vendor we standardized on."

    49. Re:A genius! by Saint+Fnordius · · Score: 1

      Most Mac users I know tend to use Adobe Creative Suite which is available on Windows (and thusly Linux via Wine) as well, and until CS3 came out, it ran faster on Windows than on OS X. So I don't really get how Macs are "better for graphics" anymore.


      Speed is rarely the issue, but other "minor" things like colour correction, printing, and file operations play a large role. Even today, the Mac workspace feels more comfortable to work in than the Windows version of CS3. It means a lot when the printout looks the way you expect on the first try, when the proofs comes back from the printer and don't need any tweaking.

      Heck, even little issues like being able to assign files of the same filetype to different applications speeds up work. Sometimes the EPS came from Photoshop, sometimes from Illustrator, and some even come from that old FreeHand MX I still use now and then. My Mac saves metadata, and remembers which program I want to use to open which.

      I think that's the main issue. The graphic design workflow just seems more comfortable with Apple and its application metaphor. Little things like dragging and dropping between applications require less actions, and often I will be dragging and dropping from several different applications.
    50. Re:A genius! by DaFallus · · Score: 1

      ...switch to Ubuntu, download VMWare Server (free as in beer), install your Windows license in a VM...

      Yeah... I spent about three hours trying to do just this the other day. I wasn't even able to get the VM to boot from the Windows install CD. I tried following a couple of different tutorials that were very helpful but I was never able to get the config file working. I think my problem is that I have a mixture of IDE and SATA devices and no one seems to take this into consideration when writing a walkthrough to set up anything in Linux. It took me about two hours to get Grub to work correctly for the exact same reason. My point is that while you can sum up the steps to independence from Windows in one sentence in reality things are nowhere near as simple as you claim.

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    51. Re:A genius! by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Adobe's color correction/gamma correction and color profile software works on Windows just as well. The application's print function is basically the same on both platforms.

      It would seem the ability to remember that specific files open with a specific app is somewhat nice, but the same can be accomplished in Windows with a shortcut, or simply right-clicking on the document and going "Open With..." Either way, I'm not sure how that makes Mac a superior platform for graphics. It just provides a little shortcut for opening files. I can name a laundry list of ways I can do such things on Linux to automate tasks, or configure my desktop experience to optimize my work-flow yet people insist that Apple seems to have cornered the market on perfect design. Don't get me started on Finder, nor iTunes. Both were so counter-intuitive it makes me cringe.

      Given that the Adobe Creative Suite behaves the same way on both platforms, I'm not sure how the "graphic design workflow" is better. Normally I don't drag and drop between windows much, but I've never seen that it requires any extra steps beyond simply dragging-and-dropping. As evil as Microsoft is, they were actually the pioneers in OLE and binding common data models across applications. There were office-type applications out there, but they pushed the integration of a suite and the ability to use object models from one app into another.

      I find that it is even faster to Ctrl-C (or Apple-C) and Ctrl-V (Apple-V) than to drag between windows. For many tasks, the keyboard is faster, and you're talking about optimal work-flow, that seems to be the way to go.

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    52. Re:A genius! by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      http://luiscosio.com/how-to-adobe-photoshop-cs2-on -ubuntu-10-steps

      Google is your friend. Don't fear the Google.

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    53. Re:A genius! by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      "That doesn't answer the question. Schools used to carry Apple ][ computers way back in the day, so thusly OS X is better for research?"

      You are missingthe point. Researchers are used to Apple. Period. What particular OS Apple uses is irrelevant - the researchers like Apple, so that's what they get.

      I made a point in another post - us over here in userland (researchers included) DON'T CARE about the OS - as long as it works reasonably well. But we do tend to get attached to a manufacturer, or particular programs. Researchers and academics tend to like Apple - they liked Apple with the Apple II OS, they liked Apple with the MacOS, and they stil like apple with OSX. With corporations it was/is IBM with AS400's, PC's, etc. I like thinkpads.

      It's what is behind the OS that matters.

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    54. Re:A genius! by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      No, a supposedly brilliant CIO insisted Apples are better for research. He didn't insist that a group of particular users just happen to be familiar with them. And I'm not sure about Harvard, but at UNO, UNK, UNL, Metro and Creighton (the various Nebraska campuses I've been on) you will find Mandriva and Windows, but I haven't seen a single Mac in any of their computer labs. Apples uesd to be very prevalent in schools, and Apple laptops are seriously growing in popularity again, but I don't think as many schools have Apple products today as they used to.

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    55. Re:A genius! by defaria · · Score: 1

      Why mess around with the free version of VMWare? Go ahead and buy a supported version if you are installing $400 worth of software in it ($300 for a non OEM version of XP and $100 for Quicken). Wouldn't that be a text book example of wasting money? I mean if the free version works why spend the money?
    56. Re:A genius! by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

      Firefox works (actually Netscape 4 even works), but nothing except IE works in "Premium" mode, so you can't do advanced things like search messages. If I were to use Exchange Webmail as my primary email client, I'd want to do stuff like search messages. But you're right that for just checking mail, any browser is fine.

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    57. Re:A genius! by crush · · Score: 1

      As a CIO his review displays a disturbing lack of appreciation of how to achieve the goals of reliability and stability. He takes a potshot at the Debian developers who provide _exactly_ the experience of reliability and stability:

      "At the risk of sounding like a software atheist, I really care about getting my work done via a reliable, stable operating system and not about the philosophical subtleties of Firefox vs. Ice Weasel artwork. This is likely one reason that corporate CIOs are wary of Linux on the desktop: They have mission-critical operations to run, and worrying about which icon is used to launch a browser is about as relevant as arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin."

      What he doesn't understand is that in order to provide reliability and stability the distro engineers need to be able to: read the source; make changes to the source; and redistribute the modified source. That allows them to fix the security holes or instability bugs that militate against mission-critical operations. The ability to patch and release is why FL/OSS does such a better job. The Mozilla Foundation want to remove this decentralized improvement because they want to control their brand so _they_ stop the Debian people from releasing their improvements under the name of Firefox.

      The number of angels that can dance on the head of that particular pin is very relevant to exactly what Halamaka says he cares about.

      As regards the Fedora Core 5 and RHEL4-WS parts of the review: they're well over a YEAR OLD! The improvements in network management (in the surprisingly named NetworkManager) come courtesy of Red Hat engineers and have been available in Fedora Core 6 and the current Fedora 7 and RHEL5 for quite a while now. Comparing FeistyFawn to FC5 is misleading due to the fact that the appropriate comparison is Fedora7. The insult added to the injury is that the work on NetworkManager was paid for by Red Hat as a result of their succesful enterprise server business.

      Other glaring points of ignorance that stand out include the description of the "simple Ubuntu menus" of Application:Places:System. This is completely standard with the current versions of the GNOME desktop especially in Fedora 7 which tracks upstream GNOME HIGs aggressively. A final off-the-cuff piece of ignorance comes with the description of the Intel Pro Wireless 3945abg driver as "non-free": it's not. Intel have done a superb job of releasing the specs for this driver.

      In summary, Halamaka's review is interesting solely because it reveals the extent of confusion and ignorance (which Ubuntu helps to foster by downplaying the serious issue of spreading non-Free drivers) even among those that consider themselves "fans of open-source". (It's Free Software buddy or else it's a piece of non-maintainable binary that no decent CIO should consider even running in an enterprise desktop environment of 40,000 users in a health care group, just the same way that anyone should not consider running WinXP or Vista in that environment.)

    58. Re:A genius! by Doctor+O · · Score: 1

      Only that it wouldn't get you nowhere. The point is having the stable OS as your system and installing the brittle one in the VM, so that you can rebuild the brittle one with a click of your mouse.

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    59. Re:A genius! by Doctor+O · · Score: 1
      I have no idea what you're talking about, and have never heard a horror story like that. Actually your mixed bag of HDDs doesn't matter at all, as you're obviously putting all your VMs in the same place. I do believe you that installing grub manually having a fucked up drive configuration is hard, but fail to see WTF it has to do with VMware.

      Booting from the Windows CD is as hard as putting the CD into your physical drive and starting the VM. If it doesn't find your CD-ROM in autodetect mode, then just tell it which one in /dev/ it is (duh), or simply insert the .ISO you have of the CD into the virtual drive.

      As for "getting the config file working", WTF were you trying? I have never had to fiddle with *any* config files since I use VMware. Fire up the GUI app, run "create VM" wizard, insert CD, start up VM, done.

      My point is that while you can sum up the steps to independence from Windows in one sentence in reality things are nowhere near as simple as you claim.

      Yes, they are, and the other comments in this thread (and FWIW in *any* thread I see VMware discussed) show it, too. Nobody is having the hard time you have obviously, and that should get you thinking. Maybe it's just that the pile of patchwork hardware you use has some obscure problem or it's simply a case of PEBKAC.

      Geez, I'd have expected drones of people crying "WTF I tried it and had to install lots of strange stuff like kernel headers and gcc and make", but "VMware won't find my CD-ROM and BTW, I can't install grub" really makes my day. :)
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    60. Re:A genius! by randomjohndoe · · Score: 1

      You can enable NTLM auth per server by adding the server name to the network.automatic-ntlm-auth.trusted-uris about:config field. You have to enter the name the same way you connect to it, i.e. if you connect by IP you have to enter the IP, if you connect by FQDN you can't just enter the host name.

    61. Re:A genius! by good+soldier+svejk · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu doens't have any analogue to Red Hat's Kickstart or SuSE's YaST when it comes to creating standard workstation or server configurations for automatic installation.
      Actually, they do. It is called Kickstart.
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  3. heh by stoolpigeon · · Score: 1

    it sounds like part of it was that he likes gnome better than kde for his own use. i wonder if he knows he can run either on whatever distro he would like. -- i know there was more to it than that, but i thought that was an interesting facet of the description.

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    1. Re:heh by good+soldier+svejk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      it sounds like part of it was that he likes gnome better than kde for his own use. i wonder if he knows he can run either on whatever distro he would like. -- i know there was more to it than that, but i thought that was an interesting facet of the description.
      His analysis of the interfaces is spot on. Suse hasn't shipped with KDE as the default environment for years. It uses a very customized GNOME which functions a lot more like Windows. For instance, by default the main launcher shows your most recently used apps. It looks different every time you use it. Also the management tools, some of which are GNOME and some of which are Yast panels, are not consistently placed and can be difficult to navigate. He thought the default Ubuntu GNOME implementation was much better laisd out. And he knows you can change either one to look like whatever you want, but why should he have to when Ubuntu gets it right in the first place?

      However, the big difference between the two distros is that Yast sucks and Synaptic, aptitude and friends are great. That also comes up in the article.
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    2. Re:heh by JohnBailey · · Score: 1

      As he used the net to find out how to do things and succeded, I would assume he was familiar enough to realise that Linux has a choice of desktops.

      As far as it went, it was a fair account of using Ubuntu. Certainly better than some of the hack jobs I've seen.

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    3. Re:heh by Hucko · · Score: 1

      yes, Synaptic is better than YAST/2 but Suse's hardware management systems were better imho. I've gone for ease of installing.

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    4. Re:heh by gabrieltss · · Score: 1

      "Suse hasn't shipped with KDE as the default environment for years"

      What?

      That's not quite accurate. I have installed and used SuSe 9, 10 and 10.2 and the install lets you -choose- whether you want KDE or Gnome as the default. Me I prefer KDE so I installed it with KDE as the default desktop. I just replaced Suse with Kubuntu for my new system I built, again becuase I just prefer KDE.

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    5. Re:heh by good+soldier+svejk · · Score: 1

      I suspect you are using OpenSuse. We are talking about Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop. IIRC, it installs GNOME automagically. At any rate, they definitely push GNOME. There was reason they bought Ximian after all.

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  4. almost everything is "niche business application" by boguslinks · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For the impatient, here's Halamka's conclusion: "A balanced approach of Windows for the niche business application user, Macs for the graphic artists/researchers, SUSE for enterprise kiosks/thin clients, and Ubuntu for power users seems like the sweet spot for 2008."

    The problem is, people have been writing Windows-specific business apps for a long time, and MS Office itself is a critical business application in corporate-land. The overwhelming majority of computer users at every company I've been at has been somewhat-to-very nontechnical folks running Office and other Windows-specific software.

    So, Halamka's analysis is not encouraging.

  5. Print view by ELProphet · · Score: 5, Informative

    TFA is over 10 pages of 3 paragraphs...

    http://www.cio.com/article/print/41140 is much nicer to read.

    1. Re:Print view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.cio.com/article/print/41140 is much nicer to read.
      It'll be nice when article submitters start submitting the link to the print view rather than the multipage article.
  6. Having your cake and eating it too ... by timholman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For the impatient, here's Halamka's conclusion: "A balanced approach of Windows for the niche business application user, Macs for the graphic artists/researchers, SUSE for enterprise kiosks/thin clients, and Ubuntu for power users seems like the sweet spot for 2008."

    Sweet. And with my Macbook and a copy of Parallels, I can have them all.

    That's the beauty of virtualization on the Intel Macs. You cease worrying about which OS is the best compromise; you simply use the best OS for the task at hand.
    1. Re:Having your cake and eating it too ... by tomshaq · · Score: 0

      That is exactly the reason behind me recently getting a macbook. kudos to apple for swallowing some pride and opening their hardware to their competitor's software. I think it will help them as a company, because, after all, they are mostly in the hardware business. Now, I'm not interested in running Windows on my mac, but dual booting linux is certainly a huge selling point for me.

    2. Re:Having your cake and eating it too ... by good+soldier+svejk · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sweet. And with my Macbook and a copy of Parallels, I can have them all. That's the beauty of virtualization on the Intel Macs. You cease worrying about which OS is the best compromise; you simply use the best OS for the task at hand.
      Actually, Halamka agrees with you. But he also needs a subnotebook and Apple doesn't make one. For work that requirement outweighs his preference for OS X. All this laptop needs to do is basic business stuff like email and presentations, and Ubuntu is more than good enough at that. At home, he uses a big clunky Macbook (see previous articles).
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    3. Re:Having your cake and eating it too ... by JeremyGNJ · · Score: 1

      Yes, thats a good idea...spend extra money on a MAC and then EVEN MORE money on additional OS's to run ON the MAC, and hire more people to support it!

    4. Re:Having your cake and eating it too ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's better than that; you have to have people to support Mac, Windows, 2xLinux AND one or more people specializing in Parallels to arbitrate the fist fights between the Mac support and other OS support people. Is that bug: a Mac Bug? a Windows Bug? a Parallels Bug? Lots of opportunity for hundreds of e-mails to be written when MineSweeper doesn't work exactly perfectly.

    5. Re:Having your cake and eating it too ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you simply use the best OS for the task at hand
      companies aren't interested in wasting money on platform fanboys
      Uh....
    6. Re:Having your cake and eating it too ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And can't legally run OS X.

    7. Re:Having your cake and eating it too ... by Warbothong · · Score: 1

      I could do the same thing on my Dell PC if it wasn't for the fact that Apple would sue me for daring to use their OS on someone else's hardware. Plus, I'm not going to pay for Windows, Mac OSX and Suse when I am already quite happy just using Ubuntu. One system, one user, one configuration, one layout, one look 'n' feel, etc. (Plus the article breaks it down for different user *types*, ie. there are lots of different OSs mentioned but each person would only be running one. Your solution would either involve 4 people sharing the same laptop, or a massive amount of expensive redundancy)

    8. Re:Having your cake and eating it too ... by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      That's the beauty of virtualization on the Intel Macs. You cease worrying about which OS is the best compromise; you simply use the best OS for the task at hand.

      While you can run all three OSes on a Mac isn't running Windows, or Linux, in a VM slow?

      Falcon
    9. Re:Having your cake and eating it too ... by howlingmadhowie · · Score: 1

      now why has this been modded troll? he seems to be making a perfectly valid point. but maybe it's just an inconvenient truth for the mac-fanboys.

  7. Re:almost everything is "niche business applicatio by nothing+now · · Score: 0

    use wine and ditch office.

  8. That's what I was wondering. by khasim · · Score: 1

    MS Office. What are they going to do about that?

    Run it via WINE?
    Run it via Citrix?
    Use only the functionality common to MS Office and OpenOffice.org?
    Another option?

    There are lots of different ways to do it, but which of them is he taking and why?

    1. Re:That's what I was wondering. by boguslinks · · Score: 2, Insightful

      MS Office. What are they going to do about that? Run it via WINE? Run it via Citrix? Use only the functionality common to MS Office and OpenOffice.org? Another option? There are lots of different ways to do it, but which of them is he taking and why?

      I don't know what Halamka's approach is... but I know exactly what the approach of the PHBs will be - continue to buy and use Windows.

    2. Re:That's what I was wondering. by gujo-odori · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For the Mac users, of course there are four options: Mac Office, Windows Office via Parallels or VMWare Fusion, standard OpenOffice.Org, and NeoOffice (native Mac port of OpenOffice.Org). I use the latter and have zero problems exchanging files with MS Office users.

      I work at a very large IT company whose name is a household word (not Microsoft, but I used to work there, too), and we have a heterogeneous environment: Windows machines make up the majority of the network, our mail is on Exchange, and there are a lot of Mac, Linux, and BSD machines, especially among the engineering departments. I also have Mac Office, but never use it anymore; I find I prefer OOo. I use Entourage for Email,and while it has a few quirks and is not a native Exchange client, I find that in most respects I actually prefer it to Outlook; going back to using Outlook after learning Entourage would really suck. In fact, I prefer it in all respects.

      Of course, what they *could* do about MS Office is chuck it completely. Keep Windows where it makes sense, but move away from Microsoft applications. The cost savings would be huge. Or, they could not to it but start planning it, and could probably extract large price concessions from Microsoft if they scrap the plan. The cost savings would still be huge.

    3. Re:That's what I was wondering. by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      For the Mac users, of course there are four options: Mac Office, Windows Office via Parallels or VMWare Fusion, standard OpenOffice.Org, and NeoOffice (native Mac port of OpenOffice.Org). I use the latter and have zero problems exchanging files with MS Office users.

      Is NeoOffice really compatible with MS Office? In a week or so I'll be getting a MBP and want to try out NeoOffice, unlike OO, it doesn't require X11 to be installed does it? I want to try out as much FOOS as I can, and I don't want to touch any MS product with a 10 foot pole if I can avoid it.

      Falcon
    4. Re:That's what I was wondering. by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      I haven't had any problems opening any MS Office files so far. It's based on OpenOffice.org with a native Mac UI, so it's as compatible as OO.org.

      It does not require X to be installed, that's correct. It looks and acts like any other native Mac application.

  9. Ubuntu? Power users? by Das+Auge · · Score: 1

    I suppose that, when you open a terminal session, every Linux distro is for "power users", but what makes Ubuntu really shine, is that you don't have to be a power user.

    I also like Ubuntu because much of the maintenance can be done through the GUI.

    The real question is: how much of the maintenance can be done remotely? Being a Linux distro, I have to imagine that most, if not all, of it can.

  10. CIO.com doesn't want us to read the article by Infonaut · · Score: 2, Informative

    Good freaquin' googly.

    CIO.com sure has a hardon for online ad revenue. Seventeen pages for one article, the article itself taking up only 1/3 of the page real estate for each page. Talk about a pain in the ass to read.

    It's bad enough that nobody in Slashdot reads the actual articles. The next time I see a link to a CIO.com article, I'll just skip trying to read it, and go right to throwing down a random opinion based on the Slashdot summary.

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    1. Re:CIO.com doesn't want us to read the article by tsstahl · · Score: 1

      ... go right to throwing down a random opinion based on the Slashdot summary.

      Oh yea, that is original. And that is going to make you stick out around here how?

      ;)

      Sorry, couldn't resist.

    2. Re:CIO.com doesn't want us to read the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "go right to throwing down a random opinion based on the Slashdot summary."

      You must be old here!
    3. Re:CIO.com doesn't want us to read the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The next time I see a link to a CIO.com article, I'll just skip trying to read it, and go right to throwing down a random opinion based on the Slashdot summary.

      What? why base it on the summary? I got one up on you pal. I post without even reading the summary. All my posts are based on nothing more than my pet peeves, biased opinions, vested interests, and slights done to me, real or imagined, mostly imagined. Lemme see how ya beat that!

    4. Re:CIO.com doesn't want us to read the article by Infonaut · · Score: 1

      Oh yea, that is original.

      Are you implying that there are already Slashdot readers who don't take the time to read the actual articles? I'm shocked. Shocked!

      Sorry, couldn't resist

      Understandable indeed.

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    5. Re:CIO.com doesn't want us to read the article by Infonaut · · Score: 1

      Lemme see how ya beat that!

      Uhhh... I'll mod down the next post you make, without even looking at it! Or without even knowing it was yours! Hah! Then I'll go make disparaging comments about you on some random Digg post.

      Man, I need to get outside.

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    6. Re:CIO.com doesn't want us to read the article by Seakip18 · · Score: 1

      Wait....y'all actually read the summary? I click reply as fast as possible and rant about whatever I'm feeling like. Bonus points if it actually is related to the subject.

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    7. Re:CIO.com doesn't want us to read the article by lordtoran · · Score: 0

      CIO.com sure has a hardon for online ad revenue. Seventeen pages for one article, the article itself taking up only 1/3 of the page real estate for each page. Talk about a pain in the ass to read. What ads are you talking about? I never see any ads on the internet. I think I'm using the wrong browser.
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    8. Re:CIO.com doesn't want us to read the article by El_Oscuro · · Score: 1

      I always thought reading TFA was strictly forbidden on /. and could cause you to lose moderator access.

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    9. Re:CIO.com doesn't want us to read the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, I didn't bother to read your entire post, but every time you say Google does no evil you're totally ignoring the fact that it's owned by the NSA to spy on climate change scientists, so I don't understand why you can keep going on about that. You say it's "good" but what happens after they come for the climate change scientists? What'll happen when they come for other Google users? Are they still doing no evil? Your entire premise that Google is good is stupid, unless you work for the NSA and have Google stock options. If you do, good freaking Googly for you, but what about the rest of us!?

    10. Re:CIO.com doesn't want us to read the article by falconwolf · · Score: 2, Informative

      CIO.com sure has a hardon for online ad revenue. Seventeen pages for one article, the article itself taking up only 1/3 of the page real estate for each page. Talk about a pain in the ass to read.

      That's simple to solve, just click the print link. It all is on one webpage. Unfortunately my browser print preview shows it's still 11 pages without changing any settings. But there's no ads.

      Falcon
    11. Re:CIO.com doesn't want us to read the article by Infonaut · · Score: 1

      Quite true, but my point was that instead of making it easy to read, CIO.com seems to almost want its readers to avoid reading its articles. It's rather rediculous to have to resort to an ad blocker or to viewing the print page just to be able to read an article.

      That's simple to solve, just click the print link. It all is on one webpage. Unfortunately my browser print preview shows it's still 11 pages without changing any settings. But there's no ads.

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    12. Re:CIO.com doesn't want us to read the article by ceejayoz · · Score: 1

      Their articles get a lot worse than that, too. Six lines of content and twice the advertising, for example.

    13. Re:CIO.com doesn't want us to read the article by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Quite true, but my point was that instead of making it easy to read, CIO.com seems to almost want its readers to avoid reading its articles. It's rather rediculous to have to resort to an ad blocker or to viewing the print page just to be able to read an article.

      Maybe I'm just used to it but when I read an article online I almost always check for a print link first. For longer articles I prefer to print them out and read hardcopy as reading long webpages typically hurts my eyes, I'll get eye as well as head aches.

      Falcon
  11. KDE vs GNOME by 12357bd · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Halamka preferred Ubuntus user interface to SUSEs because it was simpler and more straightforward, but he notes that SUSE might be more appropriate for workers used to Windows.

    The FA seems to ignore the existance of different GUIs, is not SUSE vs UBUNTO, is KDE vs GNOME.

    Is my opinion that KDE should be used instead of GNOME for a linux based windows replacement solution.

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    1. Re:KDE vs GNOME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      What the hell is "UBUNTO"? Some sort of Ubuntu variant that makes you look like a moron?

    2. Re:KDE vs GNOME by kernelpanicked · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm not sure how you got modded insightful but SUSE Enterprise, which is what was used, defaults to GNOME. So it's GNOME vs. GNOME here.

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    3. Re:KDE vs GNOME by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      Or there's "UBENTO", which has the user interface designed after a small Japanese lunch in a lacquered box.

    4. Re:KDE vs GNOME by Penguinshit · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that be "OBENTO"?

      been years since my last Japanese class...

    5. Re:KDE vs GNOME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd have modded you up if you had included the bento-box copypasta

  12. Not a realistic scenario by MeditationSensation · · Score: 1

    Companies like to standardize on one OS/vendor, not have a bunch of variables like this.

    1. Re:Not a realistic scenario by duplicate-nickname · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. Most IT departments are already support 2 or 3 versions of Windows on 4 or more hardware platforms. Throw in the occasional Mac for the graphic artists and support is already becoming tough. Now add in 2 more flavor of Linux (not to mention 2 or more versions of each), and you have a real nightmare.

      We're not just talking about supporting the OS, but also the business applications that would run in each of those environments. Sure more things are going web based, but 75% of what we do is still on desktop applications.

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    2. Re:Not a realistic scenario by businessnerd · · Score: 3, Insightful
      You are correct, companies do like to standardize. However, RTFA. The conclusion addresses your concerns.

      Halamka's plans to support three different desktop operating systems may sound crazy. After all, the decision flies in the face of standardization, which seeks to decrease costs and complexity. But deploying different operating systems makes sense for the enterprise his IT group is supporting. "Hospitals and academic medical centers and universities are like the United Nations," he says. Just as you can't force all the diplomats at the UN to speak English, Halamka can't force all of his users to use the same OS. He realizes they have different computing needs and some, such as the researchers at the medical school, have their own grant money that they use to purchase whatever computers they want. The "multicultural" computing environment that CareGroup and Harvard Medical School maintain may become more common as Linux-based operating systems improve and as IT departments bump up against tech-savvy users who increasingly bring their personal devices into the workplace. Standardization may one day become a relic of the corporate IT's crusty past.
      Standardization may be good for some, but technological diversity may be better for others. Afterall, your employees should use the best tool for the job. That may be Windows or it may be Linux. Also, the more enterprises start mixing OS's, the more demand there will be for them to communicate with one another. This means a higher demand for open standards. While most of the savings of standardization is from only needing an IT staff with a knowledge of one system, another big chunk of it is from not having to make many different OS's and devices play nice together. If it became expected that your IT staff have a working knowledge of all of the most popular OS's, then standardization starts saving less and less money over a diverse IT environment.
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    3. Re:Not a realistic scenario by Mr.+No+Skills · · Score: 1

      Small companies do, Larger companies start to think about specific needs of departments and might branch out to purchase the right thing for the right job.

      John is a CIO in a large teaching hospital network. The group runs enterprise apps, remote employees, clinical staff, physicians, the business side of a hospital, and the university people. It's not a surprise that one contract with Dell can't handle this.

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    4. Re:Not a realistic scenario by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      To a certain extent it makes sense to have the right tool for the job. Windows is great for phb desktops but not for servers.

      I tend to follow to standardize on one platform unless a requirement for high availability is there for something like a database server. Unix is much cheaper to control and administer with less hardware for things like one app per server and expensive switches due to constant bsods. For servers win32 compatibility is not important either unless its to service a win32 desktop.

      But for desktops an all windows environment makes sense unless the graphics department riots when they take their macs away. In that case they can pay for their own support out of their budget.

      What this doctor did sounded like a nightmare. As much as I despise ms products and their monopoly I would have picked windows for everything but the most intense server apps. If windows update is bugging him all the time then its not configured right and he needs to hire more competent techs.

    5. Re:Not a realistic scenario by Warbothong · · Score: 1
      From reading this along with the previous articles it seems like that was the previous attitude: Windows everywhere, and allow those who had Macs to use them if they wanted to. Then, after trying OSX he realised that it does have its merits (he even prefers it to Windows and after the first experiments ditched Windows himself for a Mac) and decided to give any Mac users in his network equal support, since forcibly enforcing a system that one doesn't like or even run personally upon people over whom one does not have the authority to do so is hypocritical to say the least. Of course completely switching from XP to OSX would have the same problems, not to mention the Windows-specific applications. He found RedHat/Fedora promising but lacking (although this may be down to the time between testing RedHat/Fedora, Suse and Ubuntu, along with the fact that some laptops were preloaded and others not, so it doesn't completely count as a distro-war battle). In terms of overall cost (licensing and hardware mainly, maintainance being a very small part) he thought Suse would do well for kiosk-type systems, ie. simple one-task machines. Not standardising on Windows here would probably be beneficial, since Windows and the horsepower needed to run it would not only be overkill for the required tasks, but whilst tech support for it would be cheaper the amount of tech support needed would be higher. From this article he seems to have ditched his newly found OSX for Ubuntu, and thus the whole hypocrisy of not supporting his preferred system crops up again.

      I would say that the biggest reason this guy is not standardising on Windows (which will need to be there somewhere to support the Windows-only apps) is precisely because he sees the danger of causing reliance on a single provider with no easy way of migrating away. Starting such a painful migration early and sensibly, with sufficient research (like TFA), is a good idea, since no third-party then wields power over the system. Switching to OSX would probably be easier, due to many proprietary Windows apps having OSX ports, but I would say Linux is more sensible in the long run, as switching around in the future is made much easier due to the common components being available across Linux distros, other *NIX systems and even Windows.

    6. Re:Not a realistic scenario by Weedlekin · · Score: 1

      "From this article he seems to have ditched his newly found OSX for Ubuntu, and thus the whole hypocrisy of not supporting his preferred system crops up again."

      He's still using OS X at home on a MacBook Pro as before, but was previously running Windows on a Dell sub-notebook because Apple don't make one anymore (which is IMO strange given the popularity of the 12" PowerBook), and the MBP is too heavy. The sub-notebook now runs Unbuntu instead of Windows, so this is a gain for Ubuntu rather than a loss for OS X.

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  13. Where I stopped reading by textstring · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The only other problem Halamka ran into was with MIDI music".
    I can not take this man seriously anymore.

    1. Re:Where I stopped reading by howlingmadhowie · · Score: 1

      i find it amusing that an mit-trained unix expert doesn't know the difference between hardware and software support for midi playback. i mean, why should he? ever since microsoft included software midi playback in windows xx, midi files have been regarded by non-experts as sound files which maybe require a codec but apart from that aren't any different from all the other sound files out there.

  14. Re:Ubuntu? Power users? by bakuun · · Score: 1

    The real question is: how much of the maintenance can be done remotely? Being a Linux distro, I have to imagine that most, if not all, of it can.

    Of course you can configure and maintain the system remotely, as long as you have the necessary software (basically an ssh server and a text editor..)

    It is based on Debian, of course, which really shows when you work with it from the console. I've been running ubuntu for some time now on a server of mine (I'm relatively new to linux) but have never had to install some sort of gui environment. What I do, I do by simply connecting to it by ssh.

  15. Re:Ubuntu? Power users? by cerelib · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ubuntu still contains most of the command line maintenance utilities. So if you learn how to use them, you can do remote administration. On the other hand, as long as your network latency isn't horrible, you can use the GUI tools remotely. This can be done using either VNC or X. I use X clients remotely all of the time from my Windows laptop using Xming, an X Server for Windows. Just make sure you use port forwarding in your SSH session and you are good to go.

  16. WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    17 pages? What the hell. This kind of ridiculousness should be banned from slashdot

  17. Can anyone confirm? by kebes · · Score: 1
    According to the article, one of the main issues with Linux was Evolution:

    Evolution, his e-mail client, took six minutes to start up. ... Novell's SUSE engineers created a patch for Evolution that makes the application start more quickly, in about 20 seconds.
    6 minutes? 20 seconds? Is that true? I use Thunderbird (on Kubuntu), and it starts up in a second. I can't imagine waiting that long for an email client to load up. What is it doing that takes so long? Is this typical behavior for Evolution?

    Since this was one of his major complaints with Linux (and it's a valid one: six minutes is much too long to wait!), it seems like it's something that should be fixed ASAP if it is a widespread issue.
    1. Re:Can anyone confirm? by elrick_the_brave · · Score: 1



      I'll tell you what he is doing... he's storing 5GB of presentations and all the joke videos he's been sent.

      Dear lord if SOX has taught us anything is that you can't keep that stuff!

      Lol.

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    2. Re:Can anyone confirm? by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't know about evolution specifically... hell, my little blurb is coming from a windows world, but I figure programmers are programmers and they tend to make the same mistakes.

      For example, if your firefox directory is read only, it takes MINUTES to fire up. Allow write access, it loads in a handful of seconds. Doing a little digging, it seems it is trying to open all of these config files for read/write... and when it fails, it tries a few more times. Then some of them get copied to $temp$ so that they CAN be opened for read/write, even though YOU LIKELY WON'T EVEN BE WRITING TO THEM. All it would take is a "if CantOpenConfigFileWithReadWrite(...) OpenConfigFileForReadOnly(...);"

      And I use firefox as an example, but just about every application seems to have the same issues. This may be where Evolution is at.

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    3. Re:Can anyone confirm? by db32 · · Score: 1

      I find the 6 minute thing hard to believe, I would have thrown my laptop off the desk a dozen or so times by now if I was waiting 6 minutes (actually this did happen once and I about lost my freaking mind...Evolution starting up caused the system to hang and lock up at 98% CPU...turns out that it was actually an infinite loop problem in part of the perl that spamassassin uses during an Evolution startup...This all stemmed from an update that didn't recompile the appropriate dependancies.)

      The 10-30 seconds Firefox takes to come up sometimes is enough to irritate the bejesus out of me on some days. Evolution does tend to take a bit to come up, 20 seconds seems pretty long, I would say mine usually comes up in 5-10 tops. The main thing to remember is that Evolution isn't just an email client, it has all that calender hoohah and palm syncing and integrated whatnots much like Outlook. Outlook is not exactly a quickstart email app either compared to simple pop/imap email clients.

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    4. Re:Can anyone confirm? by good+soldier+svejk · · Score: 3, Informative

      6 minutes? 20 seconds? Is that true? I use Thunderbird (on Kubuntu), and it starts up in a second. I can't imagine waiting that long for an email client to load up. What is it doing that takes so long? Is this typical behavior for Evolution?

      Since this was one of his major complaints with Linux (and it's a valid one: six minutes is much too long to wait!), it seems like it's something that should be fixed ASAP if it is a widespread issue.
      It is a real issue. Evolution's Exchange connector basically does not cache anything locally. There is a setting for it, but it doesn't work. Based on Halamka's recommendation, Novell has written a caching patch for Evolution and submitted it to the upstream code tree. They also patched a bunch of other bugs he identified. So Evolution/Exchange users can thank Halamka for finally getting this fixed. I have tested these patches and they work.
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    5. Re:Can anyone confirm? by jc42 · · Score: 3, Informative

      6 minutes? 20 seconds? Is that true? I use Thunderbird (on Kubuntu), and it starts up in a second. I can't imagine waiting that long for an email client to load up. What is it doing that takes so long? Is this typical behavior for Evolution?

      Well, I've experimented with Evolution off and on for some years, on various chunks of hardware, and I'd say it is typical. Whenever you tell Evolution to do something, you can go to the kitchen, make coffee, and be back with a cup before the results are on the screen. After a while, you're really wired ...

      Maybe there's some config problem that's wrong everywhere I've tried it, but I haven't seen enough clues to diagnose the problem. If anyone knows, especially if you have some fixes, you might try contacting the Evolution folks and tell them that this is a major barrier to getting their toy widely adopted.

      It's not just me, either; I've mentioned this to a number of people who've tried Evolution a few times, and they report the same molasses-like slowness.

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    6. Re:Can anyone confirm? by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

      I gave up on Evolution for the exact same reason. I've tried it a few times on a few machines, and it's always a dog.

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    7. Re:Can anyone confirm? by saleenS281 · · Score: 1

      To further this, at my old job we had a central dump folder that all old cases were saved in. *this is where the linux zealots typically tell me how stupid it is to do that etc. etc.*. Anyways, the folder typically held 60,000+ emails. Needless to say, my one foray into linux@work was quickly ended when evolution wouldn't load period. It would just hang indefinitely trying to get all the info from that folder. Glad to hear something is finally being done about it.

    8. Re:Can anyone confirm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just a shame that the connector doesn't work with Exchange 2007. I used Evolution + connector for years now and when our MS loving bleeding edge Exchange admins upgraded to Exchange 2007 late in 2006 my Evolution + connector usage came to a screeching halt:

      http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=374810

      I really think part of that big paycheck from Microsoft to Novell was incentive money to Novell to be slow to make this "interoperability" thing work. It was about the same time the deal was done that I could no longer access corporate email. Novell has been bought and paid for and I will never touch SUSE again because of it.

    9. Re:Can anyone confirm? by INT_QRK · · Score: 1

      Hokey smokes Bullwinkle! I just clicked Evolution and it took 4 seconds to load. I've never timed it before, because it never was an issue, which it sure would have been if it ever took anything like 5 minutes to load. Even one minute would drive me nuts. Something isn't right with his Evolution. I'm using Ubuntu 7.04 (started up this session with KDE, i.e., Kubuntu, desktop).

    10. Re:Can anyone confirm? by oliderid · · Score: 1

      > 6 minutes? 20 seconds? Is that true? I use Thunderbird (on Kubuntu), and it starts up in a second.
      > I can't imagine waiting that long for an email client to load up. What is it doing that takes so
      > long? Is this typical behavior for Evolution?

      in the article : there is a synchronization with MS exchange. It looks like it repeats the whole syncrhonization each time it connect itself to the server.

      A bit like an IMAP account on your thunderbird that you run for the first time I guess.

  18. African language? by BritneySP2 · · Score: 0, Troll
    Ubuntu is an African word...

    Is there African language?

    1. Re:African language? by blindd0t · · Score: 1

      Sure, there are plenty of African languages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa#Languages

    2. Re:African language? by zeromorph · · Score: 2, Informative

      Is there African language?

      No.

      There are a lot. It's not even one family. Really a lot! (Every red dot a language.)

      What is probably meant: It's an African concept. This notion is not restricted to one language/speech community and in that sense (sub-Sahara) African.

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    3. Re:African language? by e4g4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As I'm sure you are aware, the GP meant is there a language called "African", and I believe the point was that calling Ubuntu an African word is like calling "arigato" an Asian word, or "merci" a European word - I share the GP's distaste at the general tendency (particularly in America) to consider Africa as a single entity, particularly given that this tendency seems to apply *only* to Africa.

      But then, that's just how I see it.

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    4. Re:African language? by nasch · · Score: 1

      What would you suggest he called it if he knew it was in an African language, but didn't know which one? Or do you think this CIO should have spent his time researching the matter so that he could be more specific (but no more correct)?

  19. Skip Windows by toby · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Why bother with Windows when there is OS X? The Mac is not a "niche" platform for "graphic arts/multimedia". Get your heads out of the 1980s/1990s, people.

    It's the most productive platform for anything, including your grandmother.

    Windows is over. Its brief and lucrative (for some) flare of popularity was a result of other people's crimes, other people's choices, it's time to freakin' move on.

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    1. Re:Skip Windows by n0dna · · Score: 1

      User #759

      Wow. You're one old-school troll.

      FWIW though, 90% Market share says you're wrong.

      Troll.

    2. Re:Skip Windows by syntaxeater · · Score: 1

      How can we argue with that? It's a legitimate question, how can we? The unwavering passion was there, you just forgot to make any valid points.

    3. Re:Skip Windows by snarfusmaximus · · Score: 1

      Market share doesn't necessarily represent quality - just look at McDonalds!

    4. Re:Skip Windows by huckamania · · Score: 1

      Everytime the Mac gets to be about the same price as it's competition, I keep looking for the next OS upgrade from Jobs. OSXI is going to be the bomb and the macites will happily line up to pay for the priveledge. Besides, the new mac is going to have 50% less buttons.

      Just wait, it's coming...

    5. Re:Skip Windows by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 2, Insightful

      By "niche" application, I'm pretty sure he's talking about legacy Windows and DOS apps that would need to be recoded to run on another OS, not common commodity applications such as your typical office suite.

      If the cost of recoding the apps is more than the cost of maintaining Windows, they're going to maintain running Windows. They'll cut back to however many Windows boxes they need to run those niche apps. Maybe a Citrix server, something like that.

      They give Apple hardware and OS X to the graphics people because that's who'll benefit from them most, not because no one else can use them. Any secretary might work fine in Office on Mac, but if she could just as well use Linux or has to use Windows because of some niche app, there's no reason to spend the extra $$$ on Apple solutions. Apple's expensive. Maybe less so than MS given the management overhead and security headaches. But up front it looks more expensive because you have to buy premium grade hardware, not barely sufficient low-end hardware, and for your grunt-level workforce that seems wasteful.

      They give Linux to everyone else, because everyone else can work with Linux apps just fine. It'll run on anything, no vendor will bully you, and it's Free.

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    6. Re:Skip Windows by Kjella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Users are most productive on the platform they know. Users know Windows today. Training people for any other system doesn't usually pay off.

      Many companies run on cheap desktops because they have lots of people doing advanced stuff from the business' point of view, but trivial in terms of computer hardware. Apple doesn't HAVE cheap, non-multimedia basic office computers, so replacing those with Macs are expensive.

      Windows is over. Its brief and lucrative (for some) flare of popularity was a result of other people's crimes, other people's choices, it's time to freakin' move on.

      ...wishful thinking alert. If you could kill the trinity of Internet Explorer, Office and Outlook/Exchange then maybe. Firefox and OO.o is making progress but they're not exactly dazzling the market.

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    7. Re:Skip Windows by quanticle · · Score: 1

      Original poster says "Windows is over," though. I somehow don't think that's going to happen anytime soon.

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    8. Re:Skip Windows by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Original poster says "Windows is over," though. I somehow don't think that's going to happen anytime soon.
      The same was said about Atari in the early '80s.

      Things can change. Fast.

    9. Re:Skip Windows by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      ``Training people for any other system doesn't usually pay off.''

      Funnily, this never seems to be an issue when Microsoft changes the user interface.

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    10. Re:Skip Windows by Falesh · · Score: 1

      Why is Mac better for graphics people then Windows?

    11. Re:Skip Windows by quanticle · · Score: 1

      Atari didn't have 1/10th the installed base of computers today. Also, Atari didn't control 90%+ of the computers at the time. There were viable alternatives, such as Commodore.

      I suspect Microsoft will fade with a whimper, rather than a bang, as web technologies and open standards slowly make one's choice of operating system transparent.

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    12. Re:Skip Windows by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

      Aside from gaming, Macs are actually better than Windows for EVERYTHING its just right now the only known area is graphics. ;-)

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    13. Re:Skip Windows by GrahamCox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Windows is over. Its brief and lucrative (for some) flare of popularity was a result of other people's crimes, other people's choices, it's time to freakin' move on.

      This is purely wishful thinking, unfortunately. I'm a Mac user by choice but at work I have to work in a mixed environment by necessity. Windows still has all the mindshare - my boss dismisses any other kind of computing as "swimming upstream" even though Windows problems cost him time and money every single day. (And as a businessman himself trying to compete in an open market I always find the "swimming upstream" comment odd - but there you go.)

      Windows will be over one day though, that much is definite. So will Mac OS, Linux, etc - when it will happen I don't know but can you seriously imagine that platform wars will persist for another 100 years? 50, 25? They will go the way of AC versus DC, Morse versus, well, whatever Morse competed with - telephones perhaps. Gradually the OS will just fade away into the background where it belongs and all the data types that people use will be standardised. Roll on!

    14. Re:Skip Windows by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

      It just works. Easier to maintain.

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    15. Re:Skip Windows by wytcld · · Score: 1

      Gradually the OS will just fade away into the background where it belongs and all the data types that people use will be standardised.
      Alternately, everything will become customized OS. The point of relatively monolithic OSes is that otherwise, in our current state of programming and use practices, stuff just won't work. But the trends are clear: an increased ease at porting and interoperability. When customizations break things, they're bad. But when instead of ending up with stuff broken you end up with a more ideal tool for the particular user, they're wildly good.

      Windows has a lot of basic OS, a few tools in the middle, and a lot of big applications. *nix has always had a whole lot more essentially modular stuff in the middle - generally taken to be part of the OS, but also able to function as application components. At present, that stuff is still largely command line; but there's nothing preventing it morphing a visual face. When that happens, you'll see more of the power of a highly-customizable OS come up into the application interfaces - and not in a way where you get lost; a path's clarity isn't inversely proportional to the richness of the ecology it cuts through - it can be the opposite.

      So the OS, if this scenario happens, won't "get out of the way." It will be the way. Yet, it will be nearly as diverse as the people using it, while at the same time allowing them group coherencies that present systems largely block precisely through the constraints of monolithic applications. It will also walk dogs.
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    16. Re:Skip Windows by NathanSmutz · · Score: 1

      How many people programed 2 digit dates thinking nobody would possibly be using their software by 2000?

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    17. Re:Skip Windows by amber_of_luxor · · Score: 1

      It's the most productive platform for anything, including your grandmother.

      Can you use a Perkins keyboard to navigate within Mac OS X, yet? If not, it is just another toy that might be ready for prime time in another century.

      Amber

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    18. Re:Skip Windows by gordo3000 · · Score: 1

      equivalently, you should get your head out of the clouds and actually go see how people use their computers.

      The Mac is the worst system I could have ever imagined for doing work on in my job. It is in fact so bad, that if you were the one choosing my hardware and decided on a mac, I would either quit or ante up the money and buy a proper computer to do work on.

      guess what? some people do something other than stay in the prepackaged apps that come with a vanilla OS install. at that point, Mac OSX is only as good as the software that decides to support it and it is lacking severely in some areas.

    19. Re:Skip Windows by gordo3000 · · Score: 1

      quality is just in the eye of the beholder. waht you mean to imply is what 90% consider a quality solution to the tasks at hand, you do not.

    20. Re:Skip Windows by psbrogna · · Score: 1

      Why bother with OSX when there is Linux? At least for server's anyway. The abstraction overhead incurred by OS X's microkernel architecture is a very steep price to pay on servers who's primary role is to provide network services in a multi-user (ie. highly threaded) environment. If you want to do samba, apache or sql stuff- Linux runs much faster. I have several cases where I re-OS'd the machine (from OS X to OpenSuse 10) and saw 3x, 4x and higher performance improvements (exact same enviroment: hardware, shell scripts running against samba, apache or mySQL, etc).

  20. Formal operating systems evaluations? by conspirator57 · · Score: 1

    From the article:

    "Halamka's month with Ubuntu concludes his formal operating system evaluations. What follows are the details of his experience running Ubuntu and his plans for his company's enterprise desktops and laptops moving forward. Will he finally replace Windows forever with OS X or Linux? You'll see..."

    Funny, I didn't see any Bell-LaPadula models or ACL2 proofs, or anything other than some user's opinion clouded by the random crap that happens to every user of every OS.

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    1. Re:Formal operating systems evaluations? by rusty0101 · · Score: 1

      I kind of think you have two options then. Since you know the protocols involved in doing a formal evaluation, you can either start doing one, and report back once it is done, or you can complain about some factor that is preventing you from doing such an evaluation. As some potential starting points for your complaints, there is 'I can't get the funding.' presumably because you haven't applied, 'I don't have the time.' as if someone else has more than you do, 'I'm waiting on approval for the project.' which presumes that you think someone really does think it's your job, and 'It's not my job.' but you do think it's your job to be critical of how someone else went about evaluating the possibilities.

      I'm not saying that you're wrong in calling the people who described this as a 'formal operating system evaluation.' From a strictly semantic perspective, I think you're correct. However this begs the question as to who will do a 'formal operating system evaluation?' If it must be done in accordance with specific standards for such an evaluation, I strongly suspect that you are going to have a long career of being critical of people's reports. I say that not because I don't agree that such an evaluation is warranted, but because such an evaluation requires that someone spend money on the evaluation. People willing to make an investment in capital for such an evaluation are very likely to see the results as being something that gives them a competitive advantage. Things that give such people a competitive advantage tend to end up with very limited distribution.

      The alternative is to have such an evaluation performed either by an educational entity under a research grant, which many people would declare as not of significant interest to them, or by a supposedly independent company to do that research, at which point the results will be criticized by anyone as favoring the company that funded the research, or potentially swept under the rug by the people who fund the research.

      That's not to say that I think Ubuntu or even Windows will suffer in such an evaluation. I don't know. However CIO and Halamka have presented the results of the evaluation Halamka did perform. And until a formal evaluation is presented, with the models or proofs presented, I suspect that we won't see anything 'better' for a long time to come.

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    2. Re:Formal operating systems evaluations? by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      The GP was just saying that the evaluation was an unscientific effort. That doesn't require him to do it better. Just because something might be the best that can be done from a practical point of view, doesn't mean it has any objective value whatsoever.

    3. Re:Formal operating systems evaluations? by conspirator57 · · Score: 1

      Really, I was just being snarky: if you or I test drive a few different operating systems with our (or our organization's) needs in mind and we call it formal, we get laughed at. If this guy does so, he gets to not only call it formal, but also delineate the temporal boundaries of the formal period of his evaluation. It's meaningless. He took a test drive. Call it that.

      In a world where I was potentially being serious, I might have responded to your arguments thusly:

      since you accuse me of question-begging, i will answer the question you allege i begged, namely to outline the varyingly "formal" evaluation pathways. The currently accepted norm is that two markets for software products require evaluation: safety-critical and security-critical. Some few systems have requirements for both, but rarely is this acknowledged. The reason for this is the evaluation standards for each community are quite burdensome, but have relatively little overlap, even though one might think they would.

      In the US especially, the safety critical community is divided further, into avionics and medical; evaluations are overseen/conducted by the FAA and FDA respectively. The two primary standards the FAA evaluate under are DO-178B and ARINC-653. Each has several levels of scrutiny depending on the potential consequences of failure of the software at hand. None of them are formal in the sense that properties about the code are proven mathematically. They are instead formal in that a list of functional requirements is provided, as is a traceability matrix that links the specification to the code that implements it and vice versa. Typically the higher levels of evaluation mandate things like an absence of extraneous code resident on the system. Current safety evaluations are not modular, and have to be fully reiterated even on the smallest change to the software. If you were to buy an OS that has been in a product that has been evaluated, you would also want to buy their evaluation evidence or else you'd have to reproduce it.

      Security critical software is evaluated, in the countries that are signatories to the Common Criteria Treaty (forget its actual name), under the common criteria. Again, it has a variety of levels of intensity of evaluation, but more tricky is the fact that there is another variable: the anticipated use and threat environment, known as a protection profile. The Common Criteria website explains it far better than I'm capable of: http://www.commoncriteriaportal.org/

      This site includes a list of operating systems that have gone through evaluation. Most of them are evaluated to levels 3-4 on a scale of 7, which seems fairly good until you examine their protection profiles. Most of those assume no malicious users, and a variety of other restrictions that preclude consideration of threats common in most deployment scenarios. The reason for this is that vendors want to garner marketing cachet by being able to claim a high evaluated assurance (EAL) level, assuming the multidimensional system will confuse prospective buyers. This happens on both sides of the MS/everyone else isle.

      There is also a page on that site for products that have gone through evaluation, and in the US flavored site there is a list of products under evaluation: http://www.niap-ccevs.org/cc-scheme/in_evaluation. cfm.

      So, the evidence from an evaluation is indeed closely held by the companies that have products evaluated, but the idea in having a "neutral" third party evaluate under a more broadly common set of criteria was to shift away from groups closely holding net results, while allowing those results to still be meaningful, especially for comparing different companies' products. You see, there is no competitive advantage in being evaluated and not telling anyone your score.

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  21. This is not a job for a CIO by crevistontj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As a pc support guy in a biggish company, I'm REALLY glad this guy isn't making decisions here. Supporting Windows, OSX, SUSE and Ubuntu, and getting it all to play nice together would be a nightmare. He is too far removed from the support folks to make a decision based in reality. CIOs should not be spending their time testing and selecting OSes. If that's what he's interested in, he's in the wrong line of work.

    1. Re:This is not a job for a CIO by Ichoran · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Supporting four platforms and getting them to play nicely together if you are starting with a large base of one platform where everything that works has been done without regard to using other platforms. Switching to a multi-platform solution would be a nightmare, especially when the original base is commercial ("Vendor lock-in"). As a business strategy, it wouldn't make sense to switch.

      But supporting four platforms when you start off with that as your goal is not as much of a nightmare. We have the same thing where I am, and other than occasional recurring problems involving Windows not understanding that everything else is not also Windows, the support is actually better than if it were a one-platform area, since each platform is used in that area where it does best.

    2. Re:This is not a job for a CIO by fishbowl · · Score: 5, Funny

      "As a pc support guy in a biggish company, I'm REALLY glad this guy isn't making decisions here. Supporting Windows, OSX, SUSE and Ubuntu, and getting it all to play nice together would be a nightmare. "

      How do you figure? I didn't see any mention of Solaris in the mix, so there is no way it rises to the level of "nightmare".

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    3. Re:This is not a job for a CIO by kryten_nl · · Score: 1

      Exactly, it doesn't even matter if he could make Ubuntu fly loops on his laptop, or had it serve coffee in 45 seconds. Since he should care if his staff can (cost-effectively) support it. Who gives a flying f*ck if it took him n hours to figure out how to play MIDI files. The question should be if his staff can make it work, and if they can do it faster the second time around.

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    4. Re:This is not a job for a CIO by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      As a pc support guy in a biggish company, I'm REALLY glad this guy isn't making decisions here. ...... CIOs should not be spending their time testing and selecting OSes. If that's what he's interested in, he's in the wrong line of work.
      And you know this because....... you are a "pc support guy"?

      Let's face it, here on /. we are always mocking PHBs who have no knowledge of the technology under their control. Now one comes along who does something to expand his knowlendge of the technology and you post that he is wasting his time?
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    5. Re:This is not a job for a CIO by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      Even in the absence of problems created by assuming a certain platform, if you need to 4 platforms simultaneously, you must have people who can support these 4 platforms. That alone makes it more difficult than supporting only 1 platform.

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    6. Re:This is not a job for a CIO by nasch · · Score: 1

      So you're saying you have concluded that for his organization it is not worth having the best platform in various areas of the business because of the increased support cost? Or are you just saying that maybe he's right and maybe he's wrong but he isn't the one that should make the decision? If the latter, who other than the CIO should make it? Front-line support technicians? A mid-level manager who is in charge of just a portion of the company's IT?

    7. Re:This is not a job for a CIO by Ichoran · · Score: 1

      Sure. But you also have to consider how difficult it is to support something that one platform does really poorly.

      For example, our Linux machines have a NFS server. Fast, completely transparent, utterly painless networked file handling. (Yes, NFS has problems in general, but in the environment we have they're not important.) As far as I know, NFS has generated zero support issues. Our Windows machines have a Samba server. If Samba had been our only file server, I would have had to call personally at least four times for various problems ranging from slow performance to certain versions of XP refusing to allow logging into multiple Samba shares as different users. But I can get most things done by using NFS under Linux instead.

      As another example, I run expensive supposedly cross-platform software for data acquisition. Getting it to run under Linux or Windows is easy. Getting it to run and work properly is easy under Windows and I still haven't figured it out under Linux. I could submit a bunch of time-consuming support tickets, or I could just use the Windows version. I use the Windows version.

      And then I need remote access to computational utilities and software while on trips (sometimes without fast connections). Linux again--or OS X for my colleagues who like the interface. Or we could try to use Windows and have support issues with VPN software and number of allowed users and so on.

      So, yes, you need support people who understand multiple platforms. But you also don't need to support using the wrong software for your problem just because you have standardized on one platform.

    8. Re:This is not a job for a CIO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Supporting Windows, OSX, SUSE and Ubuntu, and getting it all to play nice together would be a nightmare. He is too far removed from the support folks to make a decision based in reality." - by crevistontj (1032976) on Tuesday July 31, @04:32PM (#20062643)

      One of the BEST & probably TRUEST replies I have seen here in this thread, to date... good point(s), & from someone DIRECTLY involved in the situation no less, as a professional in this field, hands-on!

      (The SAME type of argument that garage mechanics have vs. engineers who design cars (&, if you've ever even tried to say, reach your battery for replacement in today's engine bays, as a single example (some cars, some cars not, location varies is why)? You spend MORE TIME wrenching out cross members & bolts/screws, or engine bay shields etc. than you would have on a car from say, the 1960-1970's (which had HUGE room in their engine bays typically - which isn't the engineer's fault, per-se, they only do what they're told to do, to save monies, albeit @ a cost to the consumer in labor hours increasing because of the tightness of the parts & work involved in getting to the actual problem)).

      Anyhow/anyways (so much for my car to computers analogy):

      This is 1 of the LARGEST problems I have seen in over 15++ years working professionally in this field as a network admin/engineer/tech & later on (mostly over that timeframe in fact) as a coder: Mgt. that has NOT done the job "hands on in the trenches" themselves, prior to being given the "CIO" title.

      (Not true in ALL cases, but in more than not, from my observations over time... & this? This is NOT good by any means either - experience? Lends insight! Those w/ out experience?? Well, they CAN gain it, but it costs SOMEONE (the company) money, in the doing of it generally (unless the CIO in question does this on his OWN time, not the company clock, & that? That'd probably MAKE HIM one of the right guys for the job, in that he "lives it", not just has the title! This is the diff. between fakes, & "REAL McCOYS" in this field, & ANY other)).

      "CIOs should not be spending their time testing and selecting OSes. If that's what he's interested in, he's in the wrong line of work." - by crevistontj (1032976) on Tuesday July 31, @04:32PM (#20062643)

      Well, I agree, but with reservations: IF he was "hired from within/promoted from within the ranks" @ THIS COMPANY IN PARTICULAR (not just some imported exec, so that "familiarity does not breed contempt" & so he is more 'feared/respected' as an unknown quantity for a while @ least)?

      It MAY have needed doing, but... I truly AM 'with you' on 1 point you made - standardizing as much as you can on a SINGLE OS TYPE SETUP, is probably the best way to save time & monies for IT dept.'s, & so their staff gains TOTAL know-how & familiarity with the OS & wares involved.

      It IS, just sensible to do this, as much as you can (less "moving parts" = less complexity, generally, & analogs for MOST apps exist on other OS' but, Windows? Definitely has the MOST for all types of purposes, & gets the MOST development done for it on ALL levels, plus it is the MOST USED, along with its wares - this is a TOUGH combo to beat, by any means)!

      APK

  22. Re:Ubuntu? Power users? by my+$anity++0 · · Score: 1

    I upgraded my home computer from school from Edgy to Fiesty with no trouble.

    Everything can be done remotely.

  23. Re:almost everything is "niche business applicatio by HangingChad · · Score: 1

    MS Office itself is a critical business application in corporate-land

    Not everywhere and not every user even in Microsoft-centric customers. OpenOffice is quite capable for the vast majority of users. And so many productivity apps are going online, just doesn't seem to be the show-stopper it once was.

    I'd mod the author's distribution. I'd use Ubuntu on the desktop for most users, Mac for the advertising and graphics people, and set up Windows as kiosks for Windows only applications.

    Even a three OS mix sounds like a lot, but Windows would account for more service calls than the other two put together. I can look at the trouble tickets for this customer a mixed Mac/Windows environment and the service calls for Windows run 3 to 1 higher. Once the Macs are set up and working right, trouble is rare. Business customers notice that kind of thing. Replacing the enterprise desktops with Mac might be cost prohibitive, but replacing them with a Mac/Ubuntu mix is not.

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  24. Re:or just use Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lunch is over in Redmond. Get back to work.

  25. You're right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Nobody is as famous as you! Results 1 - 10 of about 3,090,000,000 for you. (0.05 seconds)

    Even Time Magazine confirms it!

  26. Re:Ubuntu? Power users? by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have a hard time imagining why you would think there could be things that could not be done remotely.

    As others have pointed out, you can do a lot of things (I would say every kind of maintenance) remotely over SSH. That basically allows you to do everything that doesn't require a graphical user interface. If you do need the graphical user interface, you're in luck, though. One of the hidden strengths of Unix is that GUI is provided by X, which can be accessed over the network. A convenient and secure way to do this is by tunenling it through SSH (try ssh -X user@host xterm, for example). Even if that isn't enough (e.g. because you're on a machine without an X server), you can even access your desktop through RFB.

    Of course, you can't perform any maintenance that requires physical access to the machine remotely. However, in all my years working with *nix systems remotely, I have never needed physical access.

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  27. Mac's in research by or-switch · · Score: 5, Informative
    There was a quesiton in there as to why researchers seem to prefer Macs. When I was in grad school the Mac with OS X was a perfect machine for us. Everything we need could run on it.

    You could run the Linux apps that did the number crunching (not high end physics stuff, but still datasets around a gig or more that took an hour or so).

    You could run the visulaization software and model building softare, also Linux based.

    You had shells to log into the Linux cluster if you needed access to more power.

    Disk mounting and sharing was easy amongst other Macs, nfs clients, and even the PCs.

    The entire Microsoft office suite ran. I realize OpenOffice provides all the same utilies, but most journals, conferences, and employers in our field require papers, abstracts, and resumes be submitted in Microsoft Word, and slides in Powerpoint. Other programs were not accepted, or, when tried, we ran into compatibility issues.

    Photoshop ran really well for making figures.

    So it wasn't uncommon for someone to be sitting at their computer running a job, building a model, putting the results in powerpoint, writing the figures in word, sending the results out on their integrated e-mail client, letting your advisor know all was well with a quick video conference through the integrated camera, all while listening to music on iTunes streaming off a neighbor's Mac through the library sharing feature, and all without any specific new training required.

    For our group the hardware was expensive of course, but we made up for it by lab-wide shared software. If you bought your own Mac essentially all the software was free and you'd be up and running in an hour at full productiivty. This is one reason Macs do well in research environments. It's not that you couldn't rig a PC or a Linux box to do all of this, but it would take some serious effort and know how that many grad students outside a computer science/physics type have (we were a biochemistry and biophysics group), and university labs generally have little to no IT support. The Macs just work and you can get you research started with little thought to the computer on your desk that rarely crashes, and that is worth the extra cost of the hardware in a grant-driven environment anyday. (I mean, the Mac is $500-$1000 more than a comparably configured PC, but how much IT support can you buy over a period of 2-4 years for $500-$1000. . .not much, it pays for itself indirectly).

    1. Re:Mac's in research by Frumious+Wombat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not to mention that that extra dollar cost may push a Mac over the line into capital equipment where overhead isn't charged. My first laptop for work ran into that issue: I picked a nice model for ~$1800, and was told I wasn't spending enough. As it turned out, the $2600 ibm was cheaper, because the lower cost one came with 50% overhead attached.

      You could have also ssh'd into a real cluster, or built a Mac cluster for a price similar to an Opteron system, and just quietly integrated it with your desktops (how my lab runs now). They just work, and they just work smoothly. It's also nice that tools like VMD come in native form, and run very smoothly. It's nice taking VMD, GAMESS, and Amber on the road with you, running in native mode the same way they run on the big clusters back home, just in case. (yes, I know about the windows ports or cygwin, but they always feel somewhat clunky)

      Finally, sometimes the commercial software really does just work better, and fighting a journal over file formats is an exercise in futility.

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      the more accurate the calculations became, the more the concepts tended to vanish into thin air. R. S. Mulliken
    2. Re:Mac's in research by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

      God damn, what field are you guys in? I'm not really involved in research yet, but from what I've looked at most journals in CS want PDF or LaTeX (and really prefer LaTeX). I'm told the physics and math people like LaTeX too.

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    3. Re:Mac's in research by Frumious+Wombat · · Score: 1

      I believe the OP was in Bioinformatics or similar field, and I'm a chemist. LaTeX only caught on amongst my people in p-chem, and even there, because of the rest of us, they had to learn to use Word. Our original Mac killer app was ChemDraw, which while it now runs on Windows (*sigh*), for years ran most cleanly on Macs, and due to some quirks in Windows metafiles, doesn't always convert correctly between Windows and Mac versions (frequently)h. Add in a couple of solid graphing programs that do good 3d graphs, and you begin to see why Mac on Desktop is so prevalent. This has caused both Mac inertia, (we have software, and don't want to/can't change) and a certain culture (I'll hire an undergrad as a scribe before I'd switch from Mac to Windows/Linux/FutureOS2000) to grow up around them. I know profs who keep around an OS9 mac, just for old files from the above.

      Plus, ACS guidelines generally specify Word files as the desired submission format.

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      the more accurate the calculations became, the more the concepts tended to vanish into thin air. R. S. Mulliken
    4. Re:Mac's in research by or-switch · · Score: 1
      It does vary drastically by field, and while Slashdot is really for the more CS-savy, computers are used by a lot of scientists who aren't the most technically oriented. People who like to take pictures of developing embryos don't have much use for the powerful equation editors in LaTeX, but do need powerful graphics. My group was concered with a variety of things from cell biology, gene sequencing data, spectroscopic analysis of biological molecules, and determination of molecular structure. The last task is very computationally and grpahically intensive. Traditionally a group like that had Unix boxes for the number crunching and SGI's for the visulaization. However, at the time of the release of OSX the desktop Macs and some Macbooks were getting powerful enough to handle that kind of work too, and now they are certainly more than powerful enough.

      You really have a hard time beating the convenience of a single machine that can handle absolutely every task you need to do, AND makes it easy through a consistent and intuitive GUI with access to a shell for more fancy stuff. Like I said, a first year grad student with just a little Linux experience could be off and running on their Mac in an hour or two, whereas on the Linux cluster they'd still be getting their .cshrc, .login, and paths setup, and without the help of anyone from the IT organization.

      The question is, do you want to spend time making your machine work, get the installation, and get it tweaked out, or just sit down and do your work. I'm in a corporate environemnt now that has Windows and Linux only and it takes so long sometimes to get updates approved and installed that we've found it easier to write little things on a rouge Macbook and get our stuff done that way.

    5. Re:Mac's in research by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

      > Plus, ACS guidelines generally specify Word files as the desired submission format.

      I can't find a statement of preferred format on the site, but they at least accept TeX files, according to this:

      http://pubs.acs.org/paragonplus/submission/tex.htm l

      If you'd still like to use LaTeX, you may find the following page of interest.

      http://www.tug.org/utilities/texconv/textopc.html

      Thanks for your response, and have a nice day!

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      vi ~/.emacs # I'm probably going to Hell for this.
    6. Re:Mac's in research by Frumious+Wombat · · Score: 1

      You have to drill around in the ParagonPlus submission guidelines, but at software you'll find the preferred (or knowing most editors, allowed) packages. Again, because ChemDraw caught on as a standard, and it integrated easily with Word, the chemists who submit to non-physical journals (Inorganic Chemistry, Organometallics, et al., tend to use Word or Wordperfect. Even the physicals are coming around (I worked for a senior editor in another capacity for a while, and the TeX macros changing between some old version of TeX, and tetex or whatever ships with Linux now was a major issue.), as students all know Word, and it's quicker to cut and paste from Mathematical and similar programs into Word than export and then embed in a TeX document.

      So, yes, officially they'll accept TeX, but outside of J. Phys. Chem., you'll find very few users.

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      the more accurate the calculations became, the more the concepts tended to vanish into thin air. R. S. Mulliken
  28. Re:or just use Windows by lordtoran · · Score: 0

    Maybe Windows can be forced to sort of work for all the listed areas (except of the more critical ones, of course). That's a large difference to "works fine". If real money and work effort is involved, you better think twice about what computing platform you choose to get the task accomplished efficiently and quickly.

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  29. Re:Neglects that small multi-billion dollar niche. by dwarfsoft · · Score: 1

    And businesses are interested in gaming are they? Maybe the fact that you can't run these games on some distros should be a pro that helps companies stop worrying about their staff playing them during work hours... Somehow I still think they'll play Solitaire.

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    Cheers, Chris
  30. Stupid Autoinstall by fm6 · · Score: 1

    ... he had enough of its instability and the countless updates that automatically installed themselves on his computer--often at inopportune times, like when he was in the middle of a presentation.
    Which is why I use the "not recommended" setting where it asks me before installing updates. That way I can postpone anything that requires me to reboot. (It boggles the mind that nobody at Microsoft realized that this would be an issue!) The downside is that every few days it asks my permission to install signature updates for Windows Defender. Which is completely pointless: Defender is perfectly capable of handling its own updates.
    1. Re:Stupid Autoinstall by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      That way I can postpone anything that requires me to reboot. (It boggles the mind that nobody at Microsoft realized that this would be an issue!)

      They _did_ realise it was an issue, which is why they also created tools for managing automatic updates in corporate environments.

  31. Re:Can anyone confirm? Not for IMAP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I havce used evolution for years with IMAP and have never had this problem. I have about 12 IMAP accounts setup in Evolution, typically about 4GB and >10,000 emails per account. The first time evolution is setup it will take several minutes to download and cache all of the headers, but on every startup thereafter it's only seconds to query for new headers and display the messages.

    Either his email server was way slow, he only setup Evolution once initially and never let it cache his messages, or he somehow disabled the cache....

  32. Re:Ubuntu? Power users? by mrsmiggs · · Score: 1

    Depends what you mean by power users, there are a lot of Windows users who think they are power users but really aren't. They don't know much about machine and group policy, the registry, and they certainly can't script but they know how they like their computer setup and they know how to fix the majority of the problems they encounter. Ubunutu provides a user interface for pretty much every administrative function and has a wide range of software available as it can (mostly) run install software packaged for Debian without much of a problem so provides a lot for the power user migrating from Windows. Since the power user is going to be bite back if you try to lock the machine down, for instance some of my users like over ride WSUS updates by using Microsoft update instead. You might as well give them Ubuntu since it's pretty robust.

  33. Arrrgh my eyes.. my eyes by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Can they bloat it out anymore with ads? Geesh.

    Thanks for the summary, as i know I will never read something with that much crap attached.

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    1. Re:Arrrgh my eyes.. my eyes by SwedishPenguin · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ever heard of adblock plus? I didn't see a single ad!

  34. Ubuntu? Power Tools? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I suppose that, when you open a terminal session, every Linux distro is for "power users", but what makes Ubuntu really shine, is that you don't have to be a power user."

    You do if you want a Palm Pilot on a serial port to work. Or a multi-button mouse to work correctly.

    1. Re:Ubuntu? Power Tools? by Miseph · · Score: 1

      Really? I've plugged a USB mouse into my Ubuntu laptop a few times and it worked great. No "power user" moves necessary.

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      Try not to take me more seriously than I take myself.
  35. Re:Ubuntu? Power users? by Emetophobe · · Score: 1

    The real question is: how much of the maintenance can be done remotely? Being a Linux distro, I have to imagine that most, if not all, of it can.

    I use Webmin, it's the best free remote administration tool for unix and linux that I know of. It makes setting up things like Apache and Samba really simple for a non-expert like myself, no need to modify config files directly.
  36. Re:Ubuntu? Power users? by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

    Pretty much all of it. I learned how to configure Linux in the terminal, and with only a few exceptions (like synaptic because dselect is a suckfest) I do everything in the terminal with ubuntu.

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  37. CIO Discovers Klingons on Ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that joke never gets old

  38. Did he leave anything out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A judicious mixture of C=64 and Basic v2.0 for the nostalgics?

  39. As an MPA, I have to support this guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am not a PHB, but I did just finish my MPA. This guy is hopefully being cheered on by his employees. Sure some people may be wondering wtf, but he has solid reasons for his actions, even if the execution isnt perfect. And I don't want to be rude, but people do learn things in mgmt programs--even if it's just to look at power structures differently. A PC Support guy has near zero clout in prioritizing patches, changes, and improvements...or having anyone care about his opinion on slashdot. In this case, the CIO used and provided press on open source software and as a result brought attention to issues that should have been patched years ago. Referential power is what the pc support poster was missing. Not to mention that the important part of the CIO's experience was that he was spending time _talking_ to partners and vendors about his experiences (the self-testing was important as support for his criticism).

    In terms of efficient use of his time, he could have structured the project differently, but his decision to tinker with things himself probably made him more loved by his own employees. Instead of directing someone else to support his project and wasting their cycles, he used some of his own. Imho, that seems acceptable if he had free cycles, if he had a need for general press, or if he has partners or an agenda that will benefit from the changes at the executive level. In addition, kicking people in the ass by offering win-win press coverage (you fix your crappy email and i'll support it) encourages greater competition and diversity of systems. In the end it will provide greater management flexibility in deployment and a stronger negotiation position over licenses. As such, there is a benefit to his company and to his own name by being a leader in the area. And it doesn't matter that his participation is small, it only matters that he provided some additional incremental buzz/action and that overall such action may lead to real improvement.

  40. 4 different OSes by noz · · Score: 1

    Do you know how much EDS will charge to support that? ;-)

  41. Yeah, obviously he isn't worth his salt by WebCowboy · · Score: 1

    After all, everyone knows that for any mission critical MIDI work it is a MUST to be equipped with an adequate number of Atari workstations ;-)

  42. Close but Limited by pravuil · · Score: 5, Informative
    Most of his observations are actually spot on but he did fail to bring up several items that I believe need attention. These are things that need to be fixed in order to have a better product IMHO. I'm coming from my experience with Red Hat, Fedora, Ubuntu, SuSE (SLE/open), Debian, and Mandrake (Mandriva). I have yet to test PCLinuxOS, CentOS, Mepis, Gentoo, Solaris, FreeBSD, etc. Whereas I'm not a so called "expert", I am a regular end user.

    • m4p format (all distros)
    • Evolution/Thunderbird sucks, Sylpheed/claws is close to anything that I would use. (all distros)
    • Codecs not verified to run on Linux listed here (http://soggie.soti.org/linux/linux-codecs/), here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_ codecs#Operating_system_support) and here (http://labs.divx.com/DivXLinuxCodec) are illegal to use without owning Windows. (all distros)
    • Flash properly displayed in web browser so it doesn't cover up page content. (all distros)
    • The UI in Ubuntu still has more bugs than Red Hat and SuSE.
    • Red Hat uses anaconda for the OS install which complicates the partitioning process.
    • YUM and Yast suck compared to Synaptic. Thankfully there is a RPM based version of Synaptic Package manager for Red Hat. I believe SuSE has it as well.
    • Updates for SuSE suck because of how long it takes and some hurdles you have to go through just to get the update started.
    • The most stable version out there, even with unstable packages, is Red Hat but Ubuntu fixes unstable packages faster than other distributions.
    • Updates for RPM based systems take longer than DEB based systems especially if you don't configure SELinux the right way.
    • MPlayer feels incomplete but does some neat things. Totem is fine but needs to have more options.

    Now that I gone over some of my pet-peeves I want to cover some of my opinion of what makes Linux great.

    • Beryl (Love it, makes the desktop easier to use)
    • OpenOffice (There are some things that can be improved but overall it works great)
    • Synaptic Package Manager / APT / APTitude (Great way for people to find out more of what Linux can offer to them depending on how their repos are configured)
    • Amarok (Best audio player out there for Linux. Has the ability to minimize to task bar, Options to turn on or off the OCD, works great for organizing online radio streams, plays Linux restricted formats fine and last but not least, it's pretty light weight.)
    • Firefox and it's extensibility (Most of the extensions are shared between OSs)
    • su (Once you got what you want set, you'll never have to use this again except for maybe updates depending on how you configured you package manager)
    • Complete control to customize the GDM, KDM or XDM
    • Gconf-editor saves time on configuring for people that don't want to know how to program to get something simple done
    • Sylpheed/Claws provides the most realistic extensions for an email client available on Linux (especially in terms of spam filters and how the mail is viewed / organized)

    For hardware support, this area has improved over the past several years. In Ubuntu it takes a couple of clicks to have 3D hardware support whereas it took a long process before. Used to be that I would have to live without a certain piece of hardware because of incompatibility but most of those concerns have been taken care of for the majority of the distributions. I could go over some of the terminal apps but I am talking about a desktop environment so apples and oranges.

    1. Re:Close but Limited by pravuil · · Score: 1

      Forgot to mention the install for SuSE products is the most thought out install process for any OS. That includes Windows, Mac OS, and any other Linux distro I've used. I think everyone should learn from what Novell did with Installation and system repair. I've never fixed an MBR so easily without risking loss of information not to mention a variety of other problems which I couldn't have fixed without using a SuSE installation cd. Even Knoppix couldn't do half the stuff I did with SuSE. That's about the only thing going for that OS.

    2. Re:Close but Limited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Options to turn on or off the OCD

      I thought no one has the ability to turn off OCD.

    3. Re:Close but Limited by salimma · · Score: 1

      Codecs not verified to run on Linux listed here (http://soggie.soti.org/linux/linux-codecs/), here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_ codecs#Operating_system_support) and here (http://labs.divx.com/DivXLinuxCodec) are illegal to use without owning Windows


      Fluendo sells codecs for quite a few patent-encumbered video formats.
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    4. Re:Close but Limited by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

      > Codecs not verified to run on Linux listed here (http://soggie.soti.org/linux/linux-codecs/), here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_ codecs#Operating_system_support) and here (http://labs.divx.com/DivXLinuxCodec) are illegal to use without owning Windows. (all distros).

      That's not entirely accurate ... no one knows if they're illegal to use without owning Windows. What is known is that no one's ever gotten in trouble for it.

      It probably is legal in Europe, and it might be legal in the U.S., too, given a recent Supreme Court decision which raised the quality bar for patents.

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    5. Re:Close but Limited by howlingmadhowie · · Score: 1

      i'm sorry, linux restricted formats? i presume you mean formats which can't be legally used on a free/open-source system (going by microsoft's patent fud)?

  43. Right... by Tatsh · · Score: 1

    Somehow a distro that's bloated as ever is for power users. (I'm referring to Ubuntu, which I used for a while). The real power user distro is Gentoo IMO.

    1. Re:Right... by Quince+alPillan · · Score: 1

      No, Gentoo is for masochists. Ubuntu is for power users that want to get work done. Keep in mind they're wanting an OS that they can support.

  44. well known? more like infamous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the guy who's network collapsed four years ago because of inattention to spanning tree design limitations.

    http://www.snwonline.com/storage_knowledge_center/ all_systems_down_03-03-03.asp
    http://www.enterpriseleadership.org/read/halamka

  45. This should have been modded informative by El_Oscuro · · Score: 1

    This describes the exact objective of every PHB I have ever had the displeasure of working for.

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    1. Re:This should have been modded informative by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Shoot and wow

      I am an accounting major who was once an MIS major and has a background in IT.

      What I have seen is that those who make money or save the company money are the most valued. An example are salesmen who get paid a ton of money and programmers who get outsourced to India since they provide no value(the ones that can't sell themselves or what they do).

      What I am learning in school goes to the opposite of what your post says. If I were an account working for the CFO (under several levels) I would question the compentency of anyone who would want to raise costs and provide no value or ROI. A CEO should give the CIO a raise when he or she saves millions of dollars. I certainly would.

      But now that person is no longer important because of his budget?? Maybe its good I am leaving the IT industry. Maybe taking the CPA exam out of school might be an option.

    2. Re:This should have been modded informative by doktorjayd · · Score: 1


      hi there undergrad.

      please reply to your own post after 5 years in the workforce.

      you'll be amazed at how commonsense gets twisted, in particular when future budget/funds allocations are involved.

      ( similar practices happen in other areas too, eg: local governments need to spend all of the current years' roads budget in order to justify it for the next year, irrespective of if the works are needed or not, etc )

    3. Re:This should have been modded informative by xenocide2 · · Score: 1

      What you're talking about is true, in theory, and the reason why it was rated funny. Plenty of places use incentive programs for salesmen, and for cost cutting ideas. However, what we're talking about is not overt rewards for behaviors, but subtle perceptions by people in corporations. Many times, a manager's perceived status is determined in part by how many people are below them, and affects promotion opportunities. If you're a CIO of a large company with only ten full time subordinates, you might be a fantastic CIO, but nobody's going to trust you to manage a company of thousands. (Even though you likely know much about what all those thousands to by means of providing IT resources). And furthermore, who would hire you to provide the same CIO function under a staff of 200?

      The theoretical solution would be to pay the dude a high salary, and he likely does earn one. But don't think you'll avoid "budget as synonymous with importance" disease by leaving IT for accounting. Hell, that's probably where it started, since accounting firms are about billable hours.

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    4. Re:This should have been modded informative by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Thanks for your info.

      Anyway I figured this is how business works and its how many retailers work. If I am responsible for others people money then I am more valuable as I can tell someone how to make it and where to cut off loses.

      Currently I work for a crappy minimum wage job now at a retailer I will not mention by name here to get by while I go to school. When I worked in big business I had to make a business case for any decision. ... ok my boss did after I recommend a solution.

      Now at minimum wage my hours are being cut because I do not sell enough insurance protection plans when I sell electronics. Basically I am viewed by productivity charts provided by SAP as not making the company enough money. I knew 19 year old came in and is being promoted to my boss with no experience in just a month. Why? He brought in more money.

      So it seems the responsibility to bring money is now at the blue collar level and not white anymore from what your telling me? Good god just fire all the suites then. :-)

    5. Re:This should have been modded informative by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      "What I have seen is that those who make money or save the company money are the most valued. An example are salesmen who get paid a ton of money and programmers who get outsourced to India since they provide no value(the ones that can't sell themselves or what they do)."

      That would be like giving a raise to egg salesman and killing all the hens because they provide no value. Of course, there are some salesman out there who excel at selling non-existent products.

    6. Re:This should have been modded informative by doktorjayd · · Score: 1

      ahhh yes,

      the difference in perspective here is which end of the money train you're on.

      in retail/sales, its all about bringing the cash in.

      on the other end of the train, its all about being able to spend said moneys in ways that may or may not be justified.

      so, in order to ensure that the money is spent in ways that will protect/grow a feifdom within an organisation, middle managers will go to any length to ensure that future funding allocations are always on the up, so spending all of last years and crying poor in order to justify increased budget next year is very common.

      alas, it is the working stiff at the bottom who does all the bringing in, and the suits at the top ( or wanting to be there ) doing all the spending. :(

  46. Re:almost everything is "niche business applicatio by Vancorps · · Score: 1

    Doesn't like you've actually done this if you throw out a 3:1 figure like that given that in most businesses there are far more Windows installs than OS X installs so that 3:1 figure actually makes Linux and OS X look bad. Fortunately I know the figure isn't accurate for a lot of places. In the company I work for at least the OS makes absolutely no difference on the number of support calls since the problems are related to the in-house web-based ERP system which has specific issues with specific browsers on all platforms. I have to visit my OS X users just like I have to visit my Windows users. If you're in an environment where users can screw up their own workstation then you've got some business policies you need to build out and more importantly, enforce.

    That's the problem most people don't seem to understand, these days most any OS is "good enough" for the vast majority of tasks out there so it becomes a game where you pick what's familiar because it's familiar and you know how it works. The reason I don't have a compelling reason to run Linux on the desktop is that I won't gain anything by doing it. Laptops are cheap as hell especially when you're leasing them all with Windows so OS licensing costs don't matter.

    Of course that's probably why I always push for Linux on the server end of things. There you actually do save money on licensing and support. A hybrid approach for this company is working beautifully. Of course I've got both Windows and Linux servers throughout the place. Linux DHCP and FreeRadius have become lovers of mine because they support more standards than the Microsoft products and thus present a compelling reason to run Linux at least for those two cases. Those are just off the top of my head given my recent experience with them.

  47. OK, buddy ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... at Bill Gates' next executive banquet, you're eating in the kitchen.

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  48. Re:almost everything is "niche business applicatio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can tell you how we deal with Windows-specific apps - put your Windows apps on a Windows Terminal Server and run a terminal services session to it from Ubuntu. Financials, Visio, hell even basic Office apps if necessary - we've got 'em running that way already for some remote users, and our testing with Ubuntu clients shows there's no functional difference regardless of the user's desktop OS.

    And as far as licensing those Windows apps, you only need enough licenses to cover the maximum-concurrent-use threshold, instead of a copy on every PC.

    In fact, the selling point I'm using to my management for going to Ubuntu is it can perform better on lesser hardware with the same functionality for less overall expenditure.

  49. ***Yo, yo, yo. Question: *** by Serpentegena · · Score: 1

    OK, guys, can you please pause the philosophical eye-poking for a second and volunteer an opinion plspls?
    I'd like to know, from your infinite fountain of knowledge, and by applause, which OS or kernel/desktop environment you've used is the most accomodating for keyboard-centric navigation.

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    1. Re:***Yo, yo, yo. Question: *** by bladesjester · · Score: 1

      by applause, which OS or kernel/desktop environment you've used is the most accomodating for keyboard-centric navigation.

      DOS :P

      (Sorry. I had to)

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    2. Re:***Yo, yo, yo. Question: *** by TheCowSaysMooNotBoo · · Score: 1

      you could always try to use ratpoison

  50. Re:Neglects that small multi-billion dollar niche. by Frumious+Wombat · · Score: 1

    That's also where the Mac shines; no Solitaire. They ship with Chess, which forces users to either get back to work, or improve their minds while goofing off.

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  51. I was expecting him to pick all Windows by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Especially after he mentioned simply that his exotic eap network would not work and a 6 minute wait for email??

    If you use win32 apps then you need Windows. Standardization is important and I used to have Ubuntu on my laptop and love it. But I have XP now as I get ready for school with MBA majors who will be sending me excel and ms access files that openoffice would have trouble with.

    As many pointed out this CIO was a laughing stock 4 years ago when his whole network failed due to poor planning.

    Ubuntu is great but unless your a hacker or need a webserver its not practical. Large organizations need to stick with one platform and that is Microsoft as much as I wish it were not true. Until linux takes over more government agencies and foreign companies I would not trust the platform yet as its not standard.

    IF I were a CIO or an IT manager I would care only if it got the job done as thats what I am paid to do. MS exchange, active directory, and proprietary vb apps dictate my decision when lowering costs.

    1. Re:I was expecting him to pick all Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like your ultra unrealistic view of the reality, the way I see the thing is, if you need win32 specific 3d apps you need windows and are screwed, if you need any other win32 app you "need windows" inside a virtual machine so the bastard allows the migration, then you can select between OS/X and whatever else you can run, at the end you'll feel better if your windows works but is correctly jailed, that's the place windows belongs to now, virtual machines to help the transition.

    2. Re:I was expecting him to pick all Windows by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      I wish I could agree but IT techs cost money and businesses spend as much as $10k a year per seat for support!

      If your paying someone 40k a year that is 1/5th of their salary. Ouch.

      Where does this money go?

      Most goes to servers and administrators as well as techs to repair problems. Can you name any techs who know Linux, OSX, and Windows who are willing to work for only 30k a year with several years experience? Infact you would have to double or even tripple the amount of techs and administrators to handle the tickets.

      You can find an MCSE A+ tech for dirt cheap at the price listed above who knows windows inside and out to fix desktops. Also if everyone uses the same hardware and same version of Windows then the problems are all teh same so the techs know what to do. That means I can hire less of them and save money as newer problems take longer to troubleshoot.

      Maybe I can use Ubuntu on all systems with vmware images of XP but now I have to maintain to profiles. One for linux that I have to hire a unix administrator for and my current MCSE admin for the active directory for the images.

      Things need to just work and if the CFO's and CEO's pet projects do not work or they can not log on then your pretty much fired. They want to just work. A worker without a computer costs hundreds of dollars a day with lost productivity.

  52. One day Linux, one day by Skeith · · Score: 1

    Desktop Linux distros that rival and even surpass Windows and OS X in enough ways to make switching more than a cost cutting maneuver are still a year or two away. The desktop experience Linux can provide has gotten some serious work put into it lately, but its not there yet.

  53. Re:Ubuntu? Power users? by Sam+Douglas · · Score: 1

    Probably the biggest issues I ever had with Webmin were its configuration programs messing up any by-hand configuration you have done for those programs. Admittedly I have not used Webmin for a few years, so it could have improved a lot in that respect since then.

  54. networking Linux and Macs by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    Although to be honest I often find that when interfacing with linux the mac is more like "It Just Works (well almost works, apart from a few fiddly things that you can probably learn to live without)" so I tend to avoid them myself.

    What are these fiddly things? Right now I use mostly Windows, however it's old and in a week or so I'd be getting a Macbook Pro to replace it. I also have a PC with Linux which I'll setup up as a server when I get the MBP. What I want to do is be able to vpn into the Linux PC over the net while I'm away.

    Falcon
    1. Re:networking Linux and Macs by Gromius · · Score: 1

      Well they are all fiddly little minor things that you probably can fix if you have the time and the expertise (or rudementary google skills). Example is that for some reason on several of the macs I've used there didnt seem to be a scroll bar on the terminal window and try as I might I couldnt get one. Oh and on the mac I was helping somebody with yesterday there was xwindow issues, why I dont know but I've never had similar problems in exceed (although usually it works fine in the other macs I've seen so maybe just that mac had a problem).

      Other things are that its hard to press the middle mouse button on a 1 button mouse :) and theres a few other unix/max design philosophy differences to work around. Mainly its little things with the terminal like the scroll bar and I dont doubt they're fixable but it kinda goes against the just works selling point. You should be fine doing what you want to do and even despite these minor things everybody I know loves them (just I dont see the big deal).

  55. I didn't like this article by LingNoi · · Score: 1

    The article was supposed to be about Ubuntu but it spends more time talking about other operating systems. The conclusion doesn't mention Ubuntu at all, despite him having the least amount of problems with it.

  56. use what works by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    I don't think it really matters what OS you use as long as you can find the applications you need, or you can create the applications you need.

    Agreed! The way it is now people, er too many people, just say they'll get a Windows PC and maybe MS Office without really knowing what exactly they want to do with it except in the most general terms. What they really need to do is know what apps they need, not specific apps like MS Office, but instead what the function is, do they need a wordprocesser? A graphics editor? Or do they need or want to create movies? Once they know what they want then they can look at the different programs available to decide which one they'll use. From there they need to know what OS it runs on.

    Currently I'm using a Windows PC however about 10 months ago I bought a new PC with Linux preinstalled that's a tower. For a laptop in a week or so I'll be ordering a Macbook Pro. When I get it I'll setup the Linux PC as a server but mostly use the MBP. I've already evaluated what my softwares needs, wants, are and there's nothing I want or need that won't run on the MBP. The one program I'm not sure about running on the Linux PC is Photoshop, however PH runs and was originally created for the Mac. Before I get PS though I'll take some FOOS graphics editors for a test drive then decide if they work or if I need to spring for PS. There are two reasons I am switching form Windows. The first is stability, I am sick and tired of Windows crashing. Some say XP and Vista have a lot better stability however the first tyme I used XP the PC froze while booting up. And it was a brand new Dell. The only version of Windows I did not have trouble freezing or crashing was NT 4.0. And Vista? That brings up my second reason for switching, I hate it that MS feels it has to treat me like I was a criminal. MS requires Activation and WPA/WGA which spy on you.

    Falcon
  57. Only a CIO by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

    would consider 90% of the business market to be a "niche".

    1. Re:Only a CIO by TheNumberless · · Score: 1

      It's not Windows that's the niche application, but niche applications are what make it impossible to swich away from Windows for most businesses, even if, as is usually the case, the alternatives would be superior from a support, usability, and security standpoint.

      All of the big applications such as web-browsing, email, and office applications have easy equivalents on other major platforms, and don't hinder switching. But do you need CAD software to do your job? Specialized research and computation software? Or just need to occasionally use an internal app to access your company's employee services? All these are niche applications, usually only available on Windows, and in the case of many people I know, the only thing keeping them from switching.

      I believe that the move toward web-based interfaces for internal corporate apps will ease this transition in the future, and things like Parallels and VMWare will help for all of those other stragglers.

  58. MAMBA by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    Old British maps frequently marked the African interior with the abbreviation MAMBA - Miles And Miles of Bloody Africa...

    This dismissive attitude is still pervasive and really, looking at African news, I can't blame people who dismiss all of Africa as a collective basket case.

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  59. why Linux doesn't own the desktop by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    Linux fanatics can't expect everyone to edit xorg.conf by hand and apply diff patches to rebuild their wireless drivers.

    By far not the only reason but one Reason I believe Linux hasn't taken the desktop by storm is because too many Linux famatics don't understand, don't want to admit, or simply want to keep Linux as an OS for geeks. Some groups or companies are making it easier to install and use Linux like Canonical and Linspire but until anyone can install and use Linux as easily as they can OSX or Windows, and Linux is preinstalled on more PCs, Linux will not have much of a market share of the desktop.

    Falcon
  60. this seems costly. by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

    I realize that support is probably a marginal percentage of network infrastructure cost in a large organization, but wouldn't this tend to increase the overall cost of an organization's network operating cost due to the increased need for different skillsets (ok, specialized professionals, not skillsets) to maintain the different architectures, compatibility issues, and the time overall integration time?

    I would think the money would be better spent with a software monoculture and then finding solutions for the specialty applications. Say: OS X and/or Linux with WINE/VMWare for Windows apps - even if special development is necessary, I'd think it'd be cheaper and easier to manage overall than what he proposes (because at least then the foundational communication and productivity apps could be identical), and you'd be able to get away from Windows.

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  61. ease of installation vs ease of use by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    yes, Synaptic is better than YAST/2 but Suse's hardware management systems were better imho. I've gone for ease of installing.

    What does it matter if something is easy to install but difficult to use? Or the other way around, what does it matter if something is easy to use but difficult to install? Between the two, the second is more important, because most people don't install an OS. People just want to use something.

    Falcon
  62. Re: [AC] Having your cake and eating it too ... by everphilski · · Score: 1

    legal, smeagol, you think every OS-X user is paying for Windows? :) If so I have oceanfront property in Arizona with one hell of a bridge ...

  63. Macs and Ubuntu by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    I'm not going to pay for Windows, Mac OSX and Suse when I am already quite happy just using Ubuntu.

    In about a week I'm getting a Macbook Pro and though I won't touch Windows with a 10 foot pole if I can avoid it, I'm thinking of setting up the MBP to dualboot Ubuntu as well.

    Falcon
  64. Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This sounds exactly like one of those papers I'd write for school where I'd start with some stereotypes and generally accepted ideas, and then pretend like I did some research to support them.

    Is any of this even remotely interesting?

  65. Frequent crashes? Updates? by RazvanHrestic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Oh come one people, this seriously cannot be the real reason he wanted to switch OS. From the TFA and the introduction in CIO Magazine about the root cause of this change I seem to gather that John was annoyed with the updates that installed themselves and antivirus updates and so on. Any of these can be turned off or set to be manually installed later, and Windows instability? Yes, when you load it up with a hole bunch of applications, some legacy, some from vendors who don't know how to properly integrate their product with the OS, you might get some instability. Resolution to this sort of problems lies in application virtualization (see SoftGrid) or Terminal Services, or Citrix, which does incur bigger support costs, but maybe not as large as supporting >=4 OSes.

    I cannot seriously see from the guy's description or even the CIO Mag's a real problem with the OS. I'd rather put this on account of his bias (also mentioned in TFA).

    Please note that this is not in any way a bash of Ubuntu, SuSE, OS X or any other OS mentioned. I agree that they are more fit to do some jobs better than others. Hell, I even run Hoary Hedgehog on my old PC (converted to a sort of media-center). It's just the arguments are dubious.

  66. Fixing the Terminal Scroll bar and other hints by Macka · · Score: 1


    Quite probably the scroll bar's been accidentally disabled by previous users of that account. To fix this pull up the Terminal Inspector from the Terminal app menu (Terminal --> Window Settings). Then from the drop down menu select "Buffer". I'll bet a pound to a penny that the Buffer Size radio button is set to "disabled". You can enable it and choose your buffer history length (or set it to unlimited; I have mine set to 10000). Then click on "Use Settings as Defaults" so it applies to all future invocations of Terminal. Now go back to your Terminal window and generate some output (ls or whatever). As soon as you get to more than a page full, your scroll bar will magically appear.

    Here's another tip. If you like colored text in your Terminal (the way Linux does it) then you can turn this on by selecting the "Color" menu option in the Terminal Inspector and deselecting the "Disable ANSI color" button. Next open up Terminal --> Preferences from the menu bar, and make sure $TERM is set to xterm-color. And finally, edit your ~/.profile and add:

    export CLICOLOR=1
    export LSCOLORS=ExFxCxDxBxegedabagacad

    Open up a new Terminal window and enjoy :) In fact, if you create ~/.vimrc and add a line that reads "syntax enable", you'll get colored syntax highlighting when you edit files in vi too.

    Another hint: Monaco 13.0 pt is a lovely mono-spaced font in Terminal. It's very clear to read. Open Terminal Inspector, select "Display" and you can choose it using the "Set Font" button.

    As for the mouse button. All new Macs come with a Mighty Mouse which has 4 buttons, including the middle (scroll ball) button. Just pull up the System Preferences app; select "Keyboard & Mouse" on the second row, and then select the "Mouse" tab. You can map all 4 buttons at that point to do a whole range of things.

    1. Re:Fixing the Terminal Scroll bar and other hints by Gromius · · Score: 1

      Ah this looks most useful, thank you. I'll give it a shot when I next meet my student (who has the mac) and see if I can get a more usable terminal when I'm helping her with it. You could well be right about it accidentally being disabled, I've seen this problem before on another persons mac but in both cases the users are (and I mean this in the nicest possible way) a little clueless about computers :)

      As for the mouse, unfortunately its a laptop so while I can use an external mouse its not always an option :(

    2. Re:Fixing the Terminal Scroll bar and other hints by Macka · · Score: 1


      You're welcome.

      About the font. I have a dark background with a light coloured text normally, but have discovered that with normal black on white, that font looks very thin and weedy. So your student might want to choose another one.

      As for the mouse again, to be honest there's no need for a middle mouse button on Mac OS X as there's nothing natively in OS X that would respond to it, unless you explicitly map it to an action. It's not the same as in X Windows where (if memory serves me) it's a convenient paste action.

      To help your student get the most out of her trackpad ask her to open up the the same Keyboard & Mouse screen I spoke of earlier, but this time pick the "Trackpad" tab. Make sure she's got the following buttons selected:

      "Use two fingers to scroll"
      "Allow horizontal scrolling"
      "Place two fingers on trackpad and click button for secondary click"

      If she's the kind of user who like to 'click' by tapping on the trackpad, then enable "clicking" too, which also enables a two finger tap for a secondary click. Personally that's not for my taste.

      NB: Older Mac's (PowerBooks) might not have all these options. The newer Intel based MacBooks all do.

  67. a developers point of view by justiceforsome · · Score: 1

    ubuntu = for beginners suse = for people who like pronouncing it fedora = for advanced users osx = for people who like beautiful guis while overpaying for hardware windows = for people who don't like change and don't mind new hassles RHEL = for people who like paying for an alternative to windows Dos = get the fuck outta here CIO = a corporate peon with a reality distortion field amplified by his title I'm sure there are CIO's out there worthy of their title, but not this one.

    1. Re:a developers point of view by TheNumberless · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu for beginners and Fedora for advanced users? Really? In my opinion and experience, if Ubuntu isn't "advanced" in a meaningful way, then Fedora isn't either, and users requiring more would go with Debian, Slackware, or maybe Gentoo. The differences between Fedora and Ubuntu really just come down to personal taste. I personally, have used Gentoo when I feel like playing, and Ubuntu (Debian before Ubuntu existed) when I just want a Linux system that works. And I've bought three new Macs in the past three years, and haven't overpaid for hardware once. That argument is old and ignorant.

  68. Mounting using SSHFS by Macka · · Score: 1


    You don't need MacFUSE, all you need is this: http://mac.pqrs.org/sshfs

    Note, it requires a reboot after you've installed it. Then to mount files from any Unix server you have an account on that's running SSH, just do:

    % mkdir -p ~/sshfs/server1
    % /Applications/sshfs/bin/mount_sshfs username@server1.somewhere.org: ~/sshfs/server1

    I'm currently setting up 4 x HP-UX servers at the moment, and it's great to be able to browse their directory trees, edit files, and drag/drop thing in Finder; or even do stuff from Mac OS X's Terminal without logging in (HP-UX doesn't have Bash by default).

    The only downside right now has that it's not immediately obvious which system I'm browsing from Finder without Command-Clicking the icon in the Finder title bar or using the "Path" button in the Toolbar. But this will be fixed in Leopard as the new Finder has an option to display a full path listing (I've seen it in a screenshot).

  69. Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't quite grasp the context of a 'life-and-death business environment', but I think that it would not be very wise to rely on an OS that might go into reduced functionality mode for any reason...

  70. Patents aren't Linux's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linux could support all formats natively and continuously. Unfrotunately, some areas of the planet allow patents on them and so, because the GPL requires no restriction on reproduction, how do you pay "per license" patent fees? You can't if the patent holder doesn't allow GPL'd use of the patent. Where they don't, Linux cannot support it when the states could force a patent suit (see AllOfMP3 vs the *US* RIAA corporation) and so isn't included. Nothing to do with Linux. All to do with the patent holder.

    Is it B&N's fault that they couldn't use "1-click" or Amaxon's for having such a stupid-ass patent and enforcing it?

  71. So a CIO shouldn;t care about licensing and costs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has, as far as you maintain, NOTHING to do with a CIO or a business decision.

    You don't own a company yourself, do you...

    "Slashdot requires you to wait between each successful posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a comment.

    It's been 22 minutes since you last successfully posted a comment"

  72. Re:Neglects that small multi-billion dollar niche. by Schnoogs · · Score: 0

    As usual anything that puts Windows in a positive light is deemed flaimbait or trolling. Slashdot is a joke when its comes to objectivity. +5 bias

  73. NeoOffice, OO, and MS Office by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    I haven't had any problems opening any MS Office files so far. It's based on OpenOffice.org with a native Mac UI, so it's as compatible as OO.org.

    Yeah, I know NeoOffice is a native port of OO using Mac's gui. However I heard OO sometimes has problems opening MS Office documents, it doesn't like Office macros or something. If so, since many Office users use macros, I think it's inappropriate to say OO is compatible with MS Office.

    Falcon
    1. Re:NeoOffice, OO, and MS Office by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      I can't comment on how compatible (or not) OO.o/NeoOffice may be with MS Office macros, since in the 10 years I've been using Linux, no one has ever sent me an MS Office document that used macros. All I can say is that NeoOffice has been perfect on every Word and Excel document I've opened with it or converted from ODF, and the only way an MS Office user in my company would know I'm not using MS Office is if I said so.

      YMMV, of course.

  74. Linux and Macs by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    Other things are that its hard to press the middle mouse button on a 1 button mouse :)

    Well I never use the middle button though I do use the right button a lot. I know Macs simulate it (right click, I don't know about middle click), [option]click, but it'll still take me a while to get used to it. Two button mice can work with Macs, and I'll get one, but from my understanding not all Mac software makes use of the right button.

    and theres a few other unix/max design philosophy differences to work around.

    I haven't really used *unix in about 10 years, I've been using mostly Windows, so from that point I won't have work arounds to deal with between unix and OSX. Of course there will be between OSX and Windows. I should adjust pretty quickly as I used Macs for 10 years before Windows 95 and NT 4.0 came out.

    Falcon
  75. Running Photoshop CS in Linux by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    luiscosio.com/how-to-adobe-photoshop-cs2-on-ubuntu -10-steps

    Thanks for the link, it may come in handy. I'll try FOOS graphics programs first and only get Photoshop if none of them work. If I get PS I hope it comes with disks for both OSX and Windows, that way I can run it on both my MBP and linux PC.

    Falcon
    1. Re:Running Photoshop CS in Linux by towermac · · Score: 1

      It doesn't.

    2. Re:Running Photoshop CS in Linux by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      I can confirm they sell the OS X and Windows versions separately. You could "justify" pirating the second version if you own the other one.

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  76. Photoshop CS by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    I can confirm they sell the OS X and Windows versions separately.

    Thinks have changed then. I know a few years ago or so they included both. In a store I'd look at a box and it's list hardware/OS requirements for both Macs and Windows without saying what OS it was for.

    Falcon
  77. Halamka is a CIO? by Keith_Beef · · Score: 1

    Maybe, but not a CTO...

    Even the article admits (albeit in an aside by David Torre) that Halamka chose to install RedHat and Fedora on a laptop that was not on the hardware compatibility list.

    Having read of John Halamka's experience using Fedora and RHEL on an X41 tablet PC, I was not surprised by the mixed results. About 90 percent of Halamka's issues were hardware-related. Coincidentally, the X41 is not listed as officially supported by either Fedora or RHEL on Linux vendor Red Hat's website.

    In my experience, USB thumbdrives always work, and always have done. I've tried maybe six different drives, ranging in size from 64MBytes to 1GByte, on a variety of laptop and desktop systems. Never a problem.

    Beef.

  78. Re:Ubuntu? Power users? by MartinB · · Score: 1

    you can do a lot of things (I would say every kind of maintenance) remotely over SSH.
    Yeah, pretty much every kind that doesn't involve hardware. Otherwise data centres wouldn't exist.
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