Just don't download stuff to which you're not entitled. How hard is that?,/p>
A: The policy clearly states "all copyright material". Therefore even if one is entitled to download the material, one is in violation of the UKansas policy. Was the intent "All Copyright Material" or "All Copyright Material which one is not authorized to download"? The DMCA is about distributing material, not receiving material. As such, the former wording "All Copyright Material" is the logical intent. Therefore your viewing of a video that is embedded in a page is a violation --- regardless of whether or not you knew that the video was on the page before you went there. (There are thousands of examples on/. of links to material that are not what they are purported to be.)
B: The appeals process requires that one proves that one did not download stuff. How do you prove that you did not download stuff? If the user runs Windows Vista, there is an audit trail that might be useful to demonstrate that nothing was downloaded. If you use Linux there probably isn't an audit trail that could be useful.
C: The policy doesn't cover accidental/unintentional/unwanted downloading of material. Given the current insecurity of MIE, it would be trivial for a page to have several thousand pop-ups, pop-unders, and the like, several of which will also automatically start a download to the system that the user has no knowledge of. Granted, the student shouldn't be using Windows, much less MIE in the first place. But students are stupid, and will use things that are fatally flawed until they learn better.
it expressly refers to DMCA violations. This and a bit of common sense should make it clear that they are not attempting to prevent students from surfing the Web.
You obviously haven't had to deal with DMCA claims. Common Sense and the DMCA are mutually exclusive concepts.
Think the feds are THAT stupid? Even if, do you think their lobbyists will allow them to?
Since the cumulative IQ of the Executive and Legislative branch of the US government is a negative number, the only conclusion is that they are stupider than you imply.
The lobbyist don't care, since they will use those loopholes to get black budget items approved without anybody in the GAO finding out. IOW, the investment made by the lobbyists will enable their companeis to directly manipulate tus taxpayer dollars, by transferring funds without the knowledge, approval, or authorization of the us congress.
Office can open 99.99% of documents that are sent to them. O,/p>
You've obviously never had to explain to a PHB why the document he spent hours working on during the weekend at home can't open in the office computer. And when you do deliver it (opened in OOo) it looks totally unlike anything he dreamed of, when he was working withit at home.
MSO (any version) is utterly incompatible with MSO (same version) on any computer other than the one it was created on. On the computer it was created on, there is a 50% or greater chance that it will be incompatible with the system the next time it is opened.
Lunix still can't auto-detect and auto-config hardware at install.
Which explains why it took me ten seconds to get a working Internet cable connected to my Linux box, but three hours before the Comcast techies decided that they would not be able to hook Internet Cable up to my Windows box. This also explains why my windows box looks pretty crappy, but the linux box looks terrific, on the same monitor.
Literacy in the sense of the English Language means
Literacy is the ability to speak, read, write, and converse for thirty minutes with a human in at least five different languages. Anything less than that means the individual is illiterate.
Computer literacy means being able to read code written by other people in an least five different programming languages.
Computer supraliteracy is being able to include uncommentted APL as one of those languages.
Why? Because we can't find people to train employees in SO8, which means our training funds from the state are wasted and because we are completely unsupported.
Since you claim the organization to be unsupported, I would suggest the immediate termination of every employee in the school district for gross negligence and obvious incompetence. It isn't that difficult to do a Google search to find organizations that support FLOSS in an educational setting. These organizations will invert your training budget from a positive figure to a negative figure, without much trying.
prevent Google into entering the OS market (if it ever thought of this)
Google can probably demonstrate to the court that the Microsoft patent utilizes their (Google's) prior art, and as such, Microsoft should never have been awarded the patent in the firstplace.
I've a dim recollection of reading about an adware based operating system on Fidonet, or one of its competitors.
it is providing me the service of telling me who produces or distributes products or services that i need or want.
On Sunday I wanted to go to Fry's. So I use the "search local businesses" in my GPS, for where they are located. Fry's doesn't come up,but umpteen stores that have nothing to do with electronic equipment do show up. I've forgotten the number of times the unit has listed businesses that have moved, closed up shop, or never were at the stated location.
Why should I expect targetted advertising to provide better information than a search I make?
The adds served alongside gmail are usually irrelevant to the content of the email. Good for a laugh, but that is about it.
The "targetted" adds for yahoo are even more irrelevant than the one's that google spews forth.
with out advertising i would never have heard of the service and would be in the dark as far as music goes.
The issue isn't about the utility of advertising, but rather about the appropriateness of where it is used. If you want your desktop to resemble your spam box, then go for it.
i have trouble with all of you who think advertising is evil. untargeted ads are evil,
Because so-called targetted adds are more likely to be off base than on base. Example: Gmail.: Message discusses how to determine the physical shape and mass of an individual from their handwriting. The targetted adds are for weight loss products.
I'll also point out that Oglivy said that at least half of the money spent on advertising was wasted. He just didn't which half of it was. The current "targetted advertising" models appear to miss far more often than they hit.
I'm convinced that OOXML is not the result of somebody at Microsoft actually designing a standard, but rather the result of somebody reverse-engineering and documenting the existing Office software.
More likely somebody moved all of the sourcecode comments into one document, then rearranged everything so it doesn't look that way.
Besides, what's the benefit of owning a country's government?
Taxes would be one item. Being able to do projects without getting permission from umpteen different agencies whose rules conflict with each other, to do that project would be another.
What would that allow them to do for their business that US laws won't allow them to do here?
Move YouTube to Kenya, and tell the *AA that US Copyright Law does not apply to YouTube, since the servers are not based in the US. Now if the any of the companies that object to YouTube content want to fight it out in a court in Kenya, they can argue jurisdiction in a Kenyan court.
If you wanted an African base, then South Africa is a lot easier to travel to (more airlines etc) and has far better infrastructure.
South Africa has a major crime problem. The cost for physical security of their staff and facilities will probably be more than that of all of their other expenses combined. Whilst security in Kenya is an issue, it is not nearly as bad as South Africa. (You don't have to worry about the number of times your female staff are raped. In South Africa, an onsite rape clinic is cost effective, because each of your female employees will be raped at least once a year. And not necessarily by non-employees.)
Telkom's broadband service would be more reliable if it used, and relied upon RFC 1149. Customer service is to Ticketmaster as broadband is to Telkom. Kenya will be getting three or four fiber optic lines within a year. That provides more redundancy that South Africa will have until Telkom is dissolved,and the only thing the Ministry of Telecommunications regulates is the old Dutch East India Company post drops.
South African IT consists of MCEs who can barely play Minefield. They don't have a clue as to what LAMP is, much less be able to set it up. Google (Kenya) can train people that haven't been brain damaged by the MCE, thereby jump-starting a pan-African IT revolution. This would go very well with their "do no evil" philosophy.
South Africa is stuck at the southern end of the continent. Kenya is much closer to the geographic center, from which Google can spread tentacles north, south, and west. I doubt that Google wants to replicate Cecil Rhodes' failure in constructing a railway from Cape Town to Cairo.
WTF does Google want to do in Africa anyway?
Setting up shop in a country that is fairly easy to influence legislation in one's favor. Africa is an extremely untapped market, for pretty much everything. Google is taking a gamble that African economies will go up, and the countries will remain relatively stable. If both of those things do happen, then they are looking at a significant increase in both revenue, and streams of revenue. If neither of those things turn out, it simply means that they have better system redundancy than they currently have.
but charging 1/4 cent will at least cut out most of the spammers and encourage any that do use the service to only target spam to people who are likely to want their products.
That will work for about ten minutes --- long enough for a spammer to figure out how to create zombie nets in those systems, so their email automatically has legit GoodMail header.
And they've got the ISPs who handle over half the US mailbox market on board with them,
Not quite. All of the listed ISPs allow between 1 and 10 mailboxes per customer. Thus 1 000 customer accounts can equate to as many as 10 000 mailboxes. The uses of those accounts can have mailboxes elsewhere. Gmail and Yahoo being the most probable candidates. What you need to look at, is the number of mailboxes that those ISPs have, and compare it to the total number of mailboxes everywhere on the Internet. IF you do that, I expect you'll discover that those 7 ISPs have less than 5% of the mailboxes on the internet.
so that's a big enough potential market that some senders may find it worth paying them, especially senders who have trouble getting through to those ISPs already (e.g. AOL.)
There still is no guarantee that the email will make it thru the rest of AOLs anti-spam filters.[AOL has the stellar ability to certify email as being legit, and reject it as being spam, even though the email neverleft the AOL domain.]
This lets non-spammers avoid getting blocked by spam filters, by attaching cryptographically validated stamps to the non-spam messages.
There is nothing that prevents the spammers from also attaching cryptographically validated stamps to their email. More to the point, I see this as a means of ensuring that spammers get to blast even more email to even more people, with the full sanction of those companies who alleged that they are anti-spam, but have failed to do anything significant to stop spam --- Like blocking total internet access to the companies that have pink contracts with spammers.[So what it AOL is forced out of business, becasuet they have the most pink contracts.
not hidden spammers abusing worms open relays.
Hidden spammers using botnets still get a break.
And those hidden spammers using botnets are the ones that send the most spam.
If companies were serious about stopping spam, thy would blacklist not only the top 10 spammers, but the companies that those spammers do business with. IOW, blacklist Verizon, Comcast, RoadRunner, and BellSouth. The second step would be for the FTC to shut down every company that writes a pink contract with a spammer, and mandate that the board of directors, and entire sales staff clean up litter in a state for 5 years, working 40 hours a week, and paying the state $5.00 for every hour they work.
How many people setting up their spam filters to drop anything with a blue ribbon would it take before this scheme is junked?
It will take goodmail a little longer to die than that organization that issued a license to use a haiku in the headers to gaurantee the message was not spam.
Personally, I think that these guys haven't thought enough about this and are doomed to failure.
They have thught it through. What they don't mention is the final steps of their business plan.
6: Be bought out by microsoft/other software company for US$10^12;
7: Golden Parachute;
>Windows was conceived, designed and implemented when the Internet was in it's infancy.
I will be generous. Very generous, and say that Windows was conceived in 1985. That is more than a decade after the Internet was created. FidoNet , Compuserve, MCIMail, and other networks were also around.
>but you should cut them at least some slack for 95/98/ME.
The only slack that they should be cut is a slip by the mohel.
>Networking and all of the security concerns that come with it were an afterthought.
The only way to fix windows is to replace it with BSD.
> at least they are taking steps even if it is too late.
Except that Vista is more insecure than both XP and Win2K. What Microsoft is doing is making cosmetic changes that increase the perception of security, whilst demolishing the actual security.
In Washington State it is a civil offense. Statutory damages are $500 per spam sent.
The kicker is you have to either find a judge who knows that, or else is willing to take the time to learn the nuances of the anti-spam law in Washington State. Most judges in Washington State do not believe that spam is a civil offense, even after the relevant statute has been quoted in full in the complaint.
> That was just a simplified example, make it "ls -l *.jpg" or anything like that and you no longer can work around it by 'ls -l', instead you have to use 'find', 'xargs' and friends for ugly workarounds.
Slashdot Mirror
Please, for the love of $DEITY, don't let people who can't speak English write articles.
sed "g/don't/ /r"
Amber
From my understanding there is no connection between the punishment and crime ratio.
In essence, you are correct. There is no correlation between the type of punishment, and the crime ratio.
There are a couple of driving forces that affect the crime rate:
Amber
Just don't download stuff to which you're not entitled. How hard is that?,/p>
A: The policy clearly states "all copyright material". Therefore even if one is entitled to download the material, one is in violation of the UKansas policy. Was the intent "All Copyright Material" or "All Copyright Material which one is not authorized to download"? The DMCA is about distributing material, not receiving material. As such, the former wording "All Copyright Material" is the logical intent. Therefore your viewing of a video that is embedded in a page is a violation --- regardless of whether or not you knew that the video was on the page before you went there. (There are thousands of examples on /. of links to material that are not what they are purported to be.)
B: The appeals process requires that one proves that one did not download stuff. How do you prove that you did not download stuff? If the user runs Windows Vista, there is an audit trail that might be useful to demonstrate that nothing was downloaded. If you use Linux there probably isn't an audit trail that could be useful.
C: The policy doesn't cover accidental/unintentional/unwanted downloading of material. Given the current insecurity of MIE, it would be trivial for a page to have several thousand pop-ups, pop-unders, and the like, several of which will also automatically start a download to the system that the user has no knowledge of. Granted, the student shouldn't be using Windows, much less MIE in the first place. But students are stupid, and will use things that are fatally flawed until they learn better.
Amber
it expressly refers to DMCA violations. This and a bit of common sense should make it clear that they are not attempting to prevent students from surfing the Web.
You obviously haven't had to deal with DMCA claims. Common Sense and the DMCA are mutually exclusive concepts.
Amber
Exactly how is the free market going to deal with questions of law, then?
It is called Assassination Politics.
Amber
Think the feds are THAT stupid? Even if, do you think their lobbyists will allow them to?
Since the cumulative IQ of the Executive and Legislative branch of the US government is a negative number, the only conclusion is that they are stupider than you imply.
The lobbyist don't care, since they will use those loopholes to get black budget items approved without anybody in the GAO finding out. IOW, the investment made by the lobbyists will enable their companeis to directly manipulate tus taxpayer dollars, by transferring funds without the knowledge, approval, or authorization of the us congress.
Amber
Office can open 99.99% of documents that are sent to them. O,/p>
You've obviously never had to explain to a PHB why the document he spent hours working on during the weekend at home can't open in the office computer. And when you do deliver it (opened in OOo) it looks totally unlike anything he dreamed of, when he was working withit at home.
MSO (any version) is utterly incompatible with MSO (same version) on any computer other than the one it was created on. On the computer it was created on, there is a 50% or greater chance that it will be incompatible with the system the next time it is opened.
Amber
I think we're seeing the results of some very persistent and convincing sales people.,/p>
Wait until the school discovers how easily their students can redecorate the home page with words and graphics that are not in Mrs Grundy vocabulary.
Amber
You don't know if you're salary or not?
He probably is paid a wage, but thinks he is paid a salary. In either instance, he doesn't know what the hourly equivalent is.
Amber
Lunix still can't auto-detect and auto-config hardware at install.
Which explains why it took me ten seconds to get a working Internet cable connected to my Linux box, but three hours before the Comcast techies decided that they would not be able to hook Internet Cable up to my Windows box. This also explains why my windows box looks pretty crappy, but the linux box looks terrific, on the same monitor.
Amber
Literacy in the sense of the English Language means
Literacy is the ability to speak, read, write, and converse for thirty minutes with a human in at least five different languages. Anything less than that means the individual is illiterate.
Computer literacy means being able to read code written by other people in an least five different programming languages. Computer supraliteracy is being able to include uncommentted APL as one of those languages.
Amber
Why? Because we can't find people to train employees in SO8, which means our training funds from the state are wasted and because we are completely unsupported.
Since you claim the organization to be unsupported, I would suggest the immediate termination of every employee in the school district for gross negligence and obvious incompetence. It isn't that difficult to do a Google search to find organizations that support FLOSS in an educational setting. These organizations will invert your training budget from a positive figure to a negative figure, without much trying.
Amber
prevent Google into entering the OS market (if it ever thought of this)
Google can probably demonstrate to the court that the Microsoft patent utilizes their (Google's) prior art, and as such, Microsoft should never have been awarded the patent in the firstplace.
I've a dim recollection of reading about an adware based operating system on Fidonet, or one of its competitors.
xan jonathonit is providing me the service of telling me who produces or distributes products or services that i need or want.
On Sunday I wanted to go to Fry's. So I use the "search local businesses" in my GPS, for where they are located. Fry's doesn't come up,but umpteen stores that have nothing to do with electronic equipment do show up. I've forgotten the number of times the unit has listed businesses that have moved, closed up shop, or never were at the stated location.
Why should I expect targetted advertising to provide better information than a search I make?
The adds served alongside gmail are usually irrelevant to the content of the email. Good for a laugh, but that is about it. The "targetted" adds for yahoo are even more irrelevant than the one's that google spews forth.
with out advertising i would never have heard of the service and would be in the dark as far as music goes.
The issue isn't about the utility of advertising, but rather about the appropriateness of where it is used. If you want your desktop to resemble your spam box, then go for it.
i have trouble with all of you who think advertising is evil. untargeted ads are evil,
Because so-called targetted adds are more likely to be off base than on base. Example: Gmail.: Message discusses how to determine the physical shape and mass of an individual from their handwriting. The targetted adds are for weight loss products.
I'll also point out that Oglivy said that at least half of the money spent on advertising was wasted. He just didn't which half of it was. The current "targetted advertising" models appear to miss far more often than they hit.
Amber
I'm convinced that OOXML is not the result of somebody at Microsoft actually designing a standard, but rather the result of somebody reverse-engineering and documenting the existing Office software.
More likely somebody moved all of the sourcecode comments into one document, then rearranged everything so it doesn't look that way.
Amber
Companies are still successfully using DOS, Win 3.1, Win 95 and Win 98.
Try getting hardware drivers for any of those platforms.
1.44 MB floppy disks can still be had.
2.88 MB floppy disks are all but extinct.
1.2 MB floppy disks are extinct.
I'm trying to remember the last time I saw an 8 inch floppy disk,much less an 8 inch floppy drive.
Legacy hardware. software, and operating systems might be usable, but the support costs are outrageous.
Amber
Besides, what's the benefit of owning a country's government?
Taxes would be one item. Being able to do projects without getting permission from umpteen different agencies whose rules conflict with each other, to do that project would be another.
What would that allow them to do for their business that US laws won't allow them to do here?
Move YouTube to Kenya, and tell the *AA that US Copyright Law does not apply to YouTube, since the servers are not based in the US. Now if the any of the companies that object to YouTube content want to fight it out in a court in Kenya, they can argue jurisdiction in a Kenyan court.
Amber
If you wanted an African base, then South Africa is a lot easier to travel to (more airlines etc) and has far better infrastructure.
South Africa has a major crime problem. The cost for physical security of their staff and facilities will probably be more than that of all of their other expenses combined. Whilst security in Kenya is an issue, it is not nearly as bad as South Africa. (You don't have to worry about the number of times your female staff are raped. In South Africa, an onsite rape clinic is cost effective, because each of your female employees will be raped at least once a year. And not necessarily by non-employees.)
Telkom's broadband service would be more reliable if it used, and relied upon RFC 1149. Customer service is to Ticketmaster as broadband is to Telkom. Kenya will be getting three or four fiber optic lines within a year. That provides more redundancy that South Africa will have until Telkom is dissolved,and the only thing the Ministry of Telecommunications regulates is the old Dutch East India Company post drops.
South African IT consists of MCEs who can barely play Minefield. They don't have a clue as to what LAMP is, much less be able to set it up. Google (Kenya) can train people that haven't been brain damaged by the MCE, thereby jump-starting a pan-African IT revolution. This would go very well with their "do no evil" philosophy.
South Africa is stuck at the southern end of the continent. Kenya is much closer to the geographic center, from which Google can spread tentacles north, south, and west. I doubt that Google wants to replicate Cecil Rhodes' failure in constructing a railway from Cape Town to Cairo.
WTF does Google want to do in Africa anyway?
Setting up shop in a country that is fairly easy to influence legislation in one's favor. Africa is an extremely untapped market, for pretty much everything. Google is taking a gamble that African economies will go up, and the countries will remain relatively stable. If both of those things do happen, then they are looking at a significant increase in both revenue, and streams of revenue. If neither of those things turn out, it simply means that they have better system redundancy than they currently have.
Amber
$18 dollar CDs? Where are you buying these from? Most I've ever spent is $15, on one of those double disc things.
Then you might be shocked that I spend US$50.00 for a CD. You won't find that material at any of the big box retailers.
Amber
but charging 1/4 cent will at least cut out most of the spammers and encourage any that do use the service to only target spam to people who are likely to want their products.
That will work for about ten minutes --- long enough for a spammer to figure out how to create zombie nets in those systems, so their email automatically has legit GoodMail header.
And they've got the ISPs who handle over half the US mailbox market on board with them,
Not quite. All of the listed ISPs allow between 1 and 10 mailboxes per customer. Thus 1 000 customer accounts can equate to as many as 10 000 mailboxes. The uses of those accounts can have mailboxes elsewhere. Gmail and Yahoo being the most probable candidates. What you need to look at, is the number of mailboxes that those ISPs have, and compare it to the total number of mailboxes everywhere on the Internet. IF you do that, I expect you'll discover that those 7 ISPs have less than 5% of the mailboxes on the internet.
so that's a big enough potential market that some senders may find it worth paying them, especially senders who have trouble getting through to those ISPs already (e.g. AOL.)
There still is no guarantee that the email will make it thru the rest of AOLs anti-spam filters.[AOL has the stellar ability to certify email as being legit, and reject it as being spam, even though the email neverleft the AOL domain.]
This lets non-spammers avoid getting blocked by spam filters, by attaching cryptographically validated stamps to the non-spam messages.
There is nothing that prevents the spammers from also attaching cryptographically validated stamps to their email. More to the point, I see this as a means of ensuring that spammers get to blast even more email to even more people, with the full sanction of those companies who alleged that they are anti-spam, but have failed to do anything significant to stop spam --- Like blocking total internet access to the companies that have pink contracts with spammers.[So what it AOL is forced out of business, becasuet they have the most pink contracts.
not hidden spammers abusing worms open relays.
Hidden spammers using botnets still get a break. And those hidden spammers using botnets are the ones that send the most spam.
If companies were serious about stopping spam, thy would blacklist not only the top 10 spammers, but the companies that those spammers do business with. IOW, blacklist Verizon, Comcast, RoadRunner, and BellSouth. The second step would be for the FTC to shut down every company that writes a pink contract with a spammer, and mandate that the board of directors, and entire sales staff clean up litter in a state for 5 years, working 40 hours a week, and paying the state $5.00 for every hour they work.
Amber
How many people setting up their spam filters to drop anything with a blue ribbon would it take before this scheme is junked?
It will take goodmail a little longer to die than that organization that issued a license to use a haiku in the headers to gaurantee the message was not spam.
AmberPersonally, I think that these guys haven't thought enough about this and are doomed to failure.
They have thught it through. What they don't mention is the final steps of their business plan.
6: Be bought out by microsoft/other software company for US$10^12;
7: Golden Parachute;
Amber
>Windows was conceived, designed and implemented when the Internet was in it's infancy.
I will be generous. Very generous, and say that Windows was conceived in 1985. That is more than a decade after the Internet was created. FidoNet , Compuserve, MCIMail, and other networks were also around.
>but you should cut them at least some slack for 95/98/ME.
The only slack that they should be cut is a slip by the mohel.
>Networking and all of the security concerns that come with it were an afterthought.
The only way to fix windows is to replace it with BSD.
> at least they are taking steps even if it is too late.
Except that Vista is more insecure than both XP and Win2K.
What Microsoft is doing is making cosmetic changes that increase the perception of security, whilst demolishing the actual security.
Amber
>as spamming is not a crime in the USA
In Washington State it is a civil offense. Statutory damages are $500 per spam sent.
The kicker is you have to either find a judge who knows that, or else is willing to take the time to learn the nuances of the anti-spam law in Washington State. Most judges in Washington State do not believe that spam is a civil offense, even after the relevant statute has been quoted in full in the complaint.
Amber
> That was just a simplified example, make it "ls -l *.jpg" or anything like that and you no longer can work around it by 'ls -l', instead you have to use 'find', 'xargs' and friends for ugly workarounds.
ls -l | grep jpg
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