Amen, these are the same jackasses that say "what do you need a gun for? why do you need a gun that holds so many bullets? Why do you need a semi auto? Why do you think you need to carry a gun?". Because we live in a world with bad people, believing anything else is the naive immature view of a child that grows up believing his or her parents will protect them and then transfers that believe onto the government. When the shit hits the fan the government will be the first to run and hide.
I think the current rover weighs 400lbs. If you weigh 150lbs with your suit on, that leaves 250lbs for food/water/life support for however long you are staying.. not including what you need for the 6-7 month flight. Oh, and you weren't planning on returning were you?
The moons gravity is too low to support any type of atmosphere, its a vacuum, mars has an atmosphere, just not breathable. I believe mars is also supposed to contain more useful minerals.
While I agree with your argument that the people you influence go on to pay more money in taxes... the amount of taxes a person will pay, or the financial amount they will contribute to "society" should NOT be used as any sort of rational.
A persons humanity is more than the sum of tax contributions.
Try taking ethics. If we followed your slippery slope logic we'd start killing people when they hit retirement age. After all, they'll never again go back to work and 'pay back' their value after they start collecting social security. Same for the mentally retarded, just drown them right?
"Realistically we need to start realizing that not every person DESERVES the best treatment". And who decides that?
New procedures are always expensive, do you think the first x-ray machines were worth the cost to say "yup, you got a broken leg son". Now they are standard practice.
"so costly that society can never regain that investment". Public education is costly, if a kid isn't learning and behaving by second grade should society perform a retroactive abortion? After all without an education they'll just be a burden on society, and its not worth paying for the education if they aren't being productive, why not save the money for the other years of school?
Did you have a 4.0 GPA in school? what about college? How much are you contributing to society now? I'm not so sure I am getting back my investment in you. Most of the education system in the world are funded by tax dollars.
What about no child left behind? Why don't we get real efficient and just let them starve? They'll never pay enough in taxes to 'regain investment'.
We have a lot more destroyers than carriers, I imagine the destroyers could swap in and out when supply/reinforcement vessels come and leave the group. The most important thing in a long occupation/war/fight/etc is logistics, keeping all those $500,000 toilet seats in stock. How long do you think the carrier group would be effective if they were all standing in line to use ONE toilet? huh huh? It would be a crappy time.
In all seriousness logistics, supplies.. very important, destroys can escort them in and out.
So you are saying that poor people shouldn't use their vote to take from them rich and give to the poor?
Next time you go out to eat, call a vote that the richest person in the place picks up the bill for everyone, I'll bet majority wins.
It isn't governments job to "pull them out of their bad position" its their own individual job. There are no laws stating "minorities are not allowed to be paid more than 90% of the non-minority employees".
Oh yea, and these terms suck. "minorities" make up the majority. Its a BS term for people to group together around some idea they can claim they were treated unjustly for. I'm not saying there has been unjustice, but this is 2009 not 1950. Asians make more on average than whites, shouldn't whites get special treatment now? BS.
Ah, you live in Chicago, my sympathy to you. I suggest leaving that place before it collapses completely, or you get shot, it is a gun free city after all.
Recreational then, as long as your recreation doesn't interfere with the economic purpose of a road system, have fun. By the same argument though, why can't I drive my ATV on the road?
I have yet to meet someone in the united states who worked and couldn't afford a car. In fact our welfare system usually provides enough to have a vehicle. It will be a used vehicle, and it may smell bad, but it is a vehicle. You can afford $200 for a bike but not $800 for a cheap used car?
"rich"? what country do you live in where only the rich have cars? My dad pumped gas for a living when I was a kid and we still had a car. If you live close enough that you can ride a bike you can probably afford gas if you try, maybe stop worrying about your food being 'organic' and buy the cheap stuff.
Yea its good exercise so are treadmills, but I don't make a bunch of people late for work because I use a treadmill.
Good for the environment? Don't tell me you believe in that global warming/climate change/end of the world BS. Let me guess, you thought the world was going to end on the year Y2K right?
Where does the money to build and maintain roads come from? Oh yea, road use tax in gasoline, parking meters (do bikes have to pay to park?), drivers license, vehicle registration? Oh, and keep up with pace of traffic.
When bikes start paying road use tax by the mile, require registration, inspection.. then maybe you have a legit reason to complain. In the meantime STFU.
We only have to increase the CO2 levels by 2539 times and we'll be there!
I just can't help but think of those poor starving plants.. only 0.038% of the atmosphere is suitable for them. Meanwhile 20.95% is oxygen for us. That's why I like to burn fossil fuels. Think of the trees!
"This way criminal can be hunted down by any means necessary while still giving honest people some means to keep the police in check."
Innocent until proven guilty, what you are suggesting allows them to 'hunt down' innocent people who are suspected of being criminals. Not to imply police are un-intelligent, but if police officers were able to determine if you are a criminal in advance, and reliably, then we would have no need for courts.
Mass of the batteries. It takes significantly more energy to have an effect on a 50,000 lb truck than it does a prius. All highways have weight restrictions (its based on axle weight), thats why they have weigh stations. Its very common to be traveling only 100 lbs under the weight limit. Sometimes drivers cannot fill up their fuel tanks or risk being over weight. If the federal government allowed higher weights for batteries you might see some effect.
Little Note: Most tractor trailer engines require 3 or more large batteries to start. If left to sit in a cold temp like 20 degrees F, some do not start at all. You are talking about a much larger engine, and a much greater mass.
Another note: most cars have 3-5 speed transmission, most trucks have 10-16 speed transmission, which enables more efficiency options.
New trucks with all the "anti pollution" crap get 6-7 mpg with 50k lbs.. Do the math on a prius and compare. (get rid of the "anti pollution" and they would get 10+)
If you aren't creating wealth in some form or another for the society you are living in you are leaching off of it. Ant colonies don't support lazy ants, everyone has a role. Only in the human species do we support others of our species who contribute nothing. There are many ways to contribute without working a traditional job, sharing experience, mentoring, and just being a good example. I don't think sitting at home watching Oprah qualifies.
Giving your identity information to a bank is optional, you can choose not to do business with that bank. You cannot choose not to provide that information to the US Government. Tax dollars pay for that government. Encrypting hard drives doesn't require any special abilities. Maybe a couple of brain cells.
If you cannot program under stress... why would anyone hire you? How are you going to perform when your boss is popping in your office every half hour asking if you fixed the [insert some error] that client B is experiencing preventing them from doing their job which is costing them 10k an hour. Which would cost your company the nice contract they have. Which of course could mean they no longer have money to pay you.
Java is no longer "interpretted". see Just In Time compilation (JIT). Development time is much faster than Java (and also C#) than with C++ due to the faster time to run. Have you ever built a 500,000 line C or C++ program from source? May as well go out to lunch. With java or C# that can be done in a fraction of the time. Want to talk about "Garbage collection"? It has an added benefit of defragmenting your memory which leads to fewer CPU cache misses. There is no reason that a compiler for java could not be written in Java.
Did you know that your x86 "machine code" is actually interpreted? see "microcode" and "complex instruction set".
Ever write assembly/c/c++ program to write compile and run its own code? see dynamic class loading
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Amen, these are the same jackasses that say "what do you need a gun for? why do you need a gun that holds so many bullets? Why do you need a semi auto? Why do you think you need to carry a gun?". Because we live in a world with bad people, believing anything else is the naive immature view of a child that grows up believing his or her parents will protect them and then transfers that believe onto the government. When the shit hits the fan the government will be the first to run and hide.
I think the current rover weighs 400lbs. If you weigh 150lbs with your suit on, that leaves 250lbs for food/water/life support for however long you are staying.. not including what you need for the 6-7 month flight. Oh, and you weren't planning on returning were you?
The moons gravity is too low to support any type of atmosphere, its a vacuum, mars has an atmosphere, just not breathable. I believe mars is also supposed to contain more useful minerals.
While I agree with your argument that the people you influence go on to pay more money in taxes... the amount of taxes a person will pay, or the financial amount they will contribute to "society" should NOT be used as any sort of rational.
A persons humanity is more than the sum of tax contributions.
It does happen, it has happened. It should not be condoned.
Try taking ethics. If we followed your slippery slope logic we'd start killing people when they hit retirement age. After all, they'll never again go back to work and 'pay back' their value after they start collecting social security. Same for the mentally retarded, just drown them right?
"Realistically we need to start realizing that not every person DESERVES the best treatment". And who decides that?
New procedures are always expensive, do you think the first x-ray machines were worth the cost to say "yup, you got a broken leg son". Now they are standard practice.
"so costly that society can never regain that investment". Public education is costly, if a kid isn't learning and behaving by second grade should society perform a retroactive abortion? After all without an education they'll just be a burden on society, and its not worth paying for the education if they aren't being productive, why not save the money for the other years of school?
Did you have a 4.0 GPA in school? what about college? How much are you contributing to society now? I'm not so sure I am getting back my investment in you. Most of the education system in the world are funded by tax dollars.
What about no child left behind? Why don't we get real efficient and just let them starve? They'll never pay enough in taxes to 'regain investment'.
We have a lot more destroyers than carriers, I imagine the destroyers could swap in and out when supply/reinforcement vessels come and leave the group. The most important thing in a long occupation/war/fight/etc is logistics, keeping all those $500,000 toilet seats in stock. How long do you think the carrier group would be effective if they were all standing in line to use ONE toilet? huh huh? It would be a crappy time.
In all seriousness logistics, supplies.. very important, destroys can escort them in and out.
40 gallons of pee at 5% urea content (I think that percent is high but lets go with it) means 2 gallons of 'fuel' urea per day, 1 gallon each way.
So you are saying that poor people shouldn't use their vote to take from them rich and give to the poor?
Next time you go out to eat, call a vote that the richest person in the place picks up the bill for everyone, I'll bet majority wins.
It isn't governments job to "pull them out of their bad position" its their own individual job. There are no laws stating "minorities are not allowed to be paid more than 90% of the non-minority employees".
Oh yea, and these terms suck. "minorities" make up the majority. Its a BS term for people to group together around some idea they can claim they were treated unjustly for. I'm not saying there has been unjustice, but this is 2009 not 1950. Asians make more on average than whites, shouldn't whites get special treatment now? BS.
Ah, you live in Chicago, my sympathy to you. I suggest leaving that place before it collapses completely, or you get shot, it is a gun free city after all.
"Of course the whole argument is flawed to its core, because it's the law which says"
The law used to say blacks and women were not allowed to vote, I'm glad those arguments were flawed as well according to your logic.
All these gay people should stop raising a fit, after all their argument that they should be allowed to marry is flawed because the law which says...
You could walk and save the $200. Then you don't have to worry about gravel or bumps in the road as much either.
Recreational then, as long as your recreation doesn't interfere with the economic purpose of a road system, have fun. By the same argument though, why can't I drive my ATV on the road?
I have yet to meet someone in the united states who worked and couldn't afford a car. In fact our welfare system usually provides enough to have a vehicle. It will be a used vehicle, and it may smell bad, but it is a vehicle. You can afford $200 for a bike but not $800 for a cheap used car?
"rich"? what country do you live in where only the rich have cars? My dad pumped gas for a living when I was a kid and we still had a car. If you live close enough that you can ride a bike you can probably afford gas if you try, maybe stop worrying about your food being 'organic' and buy the cheap stuff.
Yea its good exercise so are treadmills, but I don't make a bunch of people late for work because I use a treadmill.
Good for the environment? Don't tell me you believe in that global warming/climate change/end of the world BS. Let me guess, you thought the world was going to end on the year Y2K right?
So they don't tax gasoline? Really? And vehicle registration is made-up?
Where does the money to build and maintain roads come from? Oh yea, road use tax in gasoline, parking meters (do bikes have to pay to park?), drivers license, vehicle registration? Oh, and keep up with pace of traffic.
When bikes start paying road use tax by the mile, require registration, inspection.. then maybe you have a legit reason to complain. In the meantime STFU.
Venus ~96.5% Carbon dioxide
Earth 0.038% Carbon dioxide
Wow yer right we are on our way!
We only have to increase the CO2 levels by 2539 times and we'll be there!
I just can't help but think of those poor starving plants.. only 0.038% of the atmosphere is suitable for them. Meanwhile 20.95% is oxygen for us. That's why I like to burn fossil fuels. Think of the trees!
yes, and I would be pissed if the government said "the only source of meat will now be tuna", I don't eat it.
It already is, goto a public library and access the WWW.
"This way criminal can be hunted down by any means necessary while still giving honest people some means to keep the police in check."
Innocent until proven guilty, what you are suggesting allows them to 'hunt down' innocent people who are suspected of being criminals. Not to imply police are un-intelligent, but if police officers were able to determine if you are a criminal in advance, and reliably, then we would have no need for courts.
Mass of the batteries. It takes significantly more energy to have an effect on a 50,000 lb truck than it does a prius. All highways have weight restrictions (its based on axle weight), thats why they have weigh stations. Its very common to be traveling only 100 lbs under the weight limit. Sometimes drivers cannot fill up their fuel tanks or risk being over weight. If the federal government allowed higher weights for batteries you might see some effect.
Little Note: Most tractor trailer engines require 3 or more large batteries to start. If left to sit in a cold temp like 20 degrees F, some do not start at all. You are talking about a much larger engine, and a much greater mass.
Another note: most cars have 3-5 speed transmission, most trucks have 10-16 speed transmission, which enables more efficiency options.
New trucks with all the "anti pollution" crap get 6-7 mpg with 50k lbs.. Do the math on a prius and compare. (get rid of the "anti pollution" and they would get 10+)
If you aren't creating wealth in some form or another for the society you are living in you are leaching off of it. Ant colonies don't support lazy ants, everyone has a role. Only in the human species do we support others of our species who contribute nothing. There are many ways to contribute without working a traditional job, sharing experience, mentoring, and just being a good example. I don't think sitting at home watching Oprah qualifies.
Giving your identity information to a bank is optional, you can choose not to do business with that bank. You cannot choose not to provide that information to the US Government. Tax dollars pay for that government. Encrypting hard drives doesn't require any special abilities. Maybe a couple of brain cells.
If you cannot program under stress... why would anyone hire you? How are you going to perform when your boss is popping in your office every half hour asking if you fixed the [insert some error] that client B is experiencing preventing them from doing their job which is costing them 10k an hour. Which would cost your company the nice contract they have. Which of course could mean they no longer have money to pay you.
Java is no longer "interpretted". see Just In Time compilation (JIT). Development time is much faster than Java (and also C#) than with C++ due to the faster time to run. Have you ever built a 500,000 line C or C++ program from source? May as well go out to lunch. With java or C# that can be done in a fraction of the time. Want to talk about "Garbage collection"? It has an added benefit of defragmenting your memory which leads to fewer CPU cache misses. There is no reason that a compiler for java could not be written in Java. Did you know that your x86 "machine code" is actually interpreted? see "microcode" and "complex instruction set". Ever write assembly/c/c++ program to write compile and run its own code? see dynamic class loading