I'm NOT saying they're greedy, etc., just recognizing the fact that funny voices by themselves don't buy much in the way of groceries.
Because these guys are close to the poverty line? If they would work for ordinary salaries there would be no difficulty in getting the money back.
Or if they made the product better so that people want to buy it, they get more sales.
Look at Microsoft. They are doing OK despite "theft" / "sharing" or whatever word you want to use.
People like boxes. They like collecting. They love supporting the artist even if it means buying into DRM. If people aren't buying their product then they must be doing something seriously wrong. I'm sure other professionals will be very eager to fill the hole they will leave when they give up. It is a free market after all.
Rather than putting your head in the sand and pretending copying won't happen, ask yourself why aren't the so called hard-core fans buying Futurama? What are they doing wrong?
Yes, it's friggin' theft. Don't give me the "but they still have it" nonsense. You want it, they're willing to sell it to you, you take it for free against their wishes --> theft.
Nice try, nearly slipped that one under the radar. But it should have read:
You want it, they're willing to sell it to you, you copy it for free against their wishes --> copyright infringement.
There, I fixed your errors. Much better.:-P
I know that both are illegal so what difference does it make what you call it? Surely crime is crime?
Well think of it like this... what if you went 5 miles per hour over the speed limit and I decided to call you a murderer?
Or if you took hash socially once at a party, I could start calling you a drug dealer, because both are crimes. What the heck I might as well call you a baby rapist too just for the fun of it. After all, it's just crimes and crimes. All the same.
Oh wait, you are probably one of those whiter than white people that has never ever commited a crime so you probably wouldn't understand the analogy. Forget it...
If full-season downloads weren't available, a good chunk of the people who liked the show enough to download everything would probably have bought the DVDs instead.
Not me though. Sorry. I don't buy DRM any more after getting bitten twice and ending up with many unusable pieces of plastic (including one DVD drive that is now locked into the wrong region for the majority of the DVDs I have). They aren't fooling me three times.
Downloading from the internet is far, far easier. I wouldn't use their DVDs if they paid me. It's not worth my time to mess about circumventing DRM so that I can play content I have purchased.
Now give me a way to buy DRM-free content from the internet at a reasonable price, and I'm willing to negotiate. It's never going to happen though. Not while the sheeple are willing to pay $20 and upwards for all the DRM you can fit on a disc.
When you go, (and your million pals who have an equivalently overdeveloped sense of entitlement and concomitant lack of conscience), and download the episodes using another method, it does not indicate the true amount of audience desire for the show.
They are worried about getting accurate statistics? Why don't they subscribe to the BitTorrent trackers and keep an eye on how many people are downloading at any time? Oh I know! Because they are too stupid to figure out how to do it.
Anyone with an internet connection can figure out what the most popular downloads are right now and with a bit of investment of time and money they could get very accurate (not perfect but good enough) statistics from all over the world in real time. They could probably hire a clever teenaged PHP script monkey to do it for less than the cost of one of their boxed DRM-loaded DVD sets.
because if you would sit and wait to download all the episodes it means that you at least like it to some extent...
Akchully, nowadays you can get operating systems with 'multitasking' so you can download files in the background whilst doing other things like listening to music, writing comments on Slashdot and even sleeping. (Though you don't need a multitasking operating system for the last one.)
I would say that about 40-50% of the people who download all the episodes would have bought the dvds legally had they not have downloaded it.
I would say that 65% think that buying all the DVDs costs far too much and is a complete waste of money. Plus I am no fan of CSS. If they removed that stupid waste of time called DRM and region encoding and reduced the price enough so that I can afford it and make it more funny I might consider buying it.
But probably not.
Just curious though, do you think that I in the 40-50% of people that would have bought it legally if I hadn't downloaded it?
Clue: I have never seen it on TV so if I hadn't downloaded it I would never have heard of it and I would have just skipped over this Slashdot story just like I do with the Firefly stories or whatever that film is called that you lot always go crazy about.
If your bothering to download and watch every episode...
Isn't that by definition a hard core fan?
Most of them weren't that funny. If they show stayed cancelled I wouldn't have cried or lost sleep.
Seeing as it's being continued anyway I guess I could download the new episodes. I can't see how a few more downloads can hurt anyone? Who exactly is going to not buy the DVD just because I download some files from the net?
I'm genuinely curious as to who these people are. Who are they?
we should be contemplating exciting ways to improve Linux.
How about better integration with Microsoft products to aid people in switching over gradually? (The swithc can't be done overnight.)
Oh wait... Microsoft haven't finished documenting their 'open' protocols yet. Maybe if we wait another 10 years they will get around to doing it. No rush.
It is also entirely possible, that we Europeans are just greedy little bastards.
Greedy? I think it's not enough. This fine is so small it probably won't change a thing. Microsoft can happily go on doing business in Europe paying this fine every day, whilst ignoring the EU's demands and still making a fortune.
This is a nice (long awaited) first step towards encouraging interoperability between computers of all types across Europe. But do remember that this is only the first step and there is still a long way to go.
Oh wow that should be so obvious that I'm surprised no-one has thought of it before. I think we have all gotten into the mindset that copyright is totally owned by the companies that wrote it that we almost forgot that it is the government that decides to allow copyright. Without the government's support, copyright is meaningless!
when you are with 500 people, it's a fine line between negotiating and threatening to get a discount.
Yes, threatening to leave the shop and not purchase after all is a very powerful weapon indeed. Luckily it is one of the few things a customer can do do get a discount that isn't illegal.
I believe that people talking about modding on/. should be automaticaly modded (Not as bad as trolling, but still a -2 points). No matter what they say or if it is asking to mod up or down.
Guess what. I agree with you. Surprised?
It's just a shame that the majority of moderators don't agree with us though. The stupid moderating is getting worse and I don't care if my posts get modded down I just want people to stop moderating everything they don't agree with as a troll!
People are going round moderating good comments as trolls just because they don't agree with them.
I think metamoderating doesn't work because there is no feedback that you have done it and no obvious immediate positive effects from doing it. Perhaps you should slowly lose karma if you don't meta-moderate regularly.
Do you actually believe that Hollywood actors are paid based on the difficulty of the work they do?
They are paid according to how much money they can bring in for the film! People love faous names and they will pay big bucks to see it, even if the actual film is a flop. The big name gets people through the gates and that generates revenue, and they are paid based on the revenue they are expected to generate.
If people were paid based on the difficulty of the job, actors would get paid a lot less than brain surgeons. The world just doesn't work like that though!
The legal advice we had - and I tabled it at the time - was that the action was entirely valid in international law terms," he said.
The British government - which has argued that UN resolutions provided a legal basis for intervening to topple Saddam Hussein - said the 2003 invasion was "not only lawful but necessary".
So much for Google, huh? Google does not answer legal questions!
Sometimes it seems only one side of the argument is allowed on Slashdot. Any attempt to question that single viewpoint results in troll mods. Disagreeing with someone or asking someone to clarify their claims doesn't make you a troll.
No idea why it has been modded troll though... I have noticed that a lot of posts have been modded troll recently for no reason. What's up with the moderating system? Isn't meta-moderating supposed to remove problematic moderators?
Actors almost have to take a pay cut to be the voice because 3d movies are EXpENSIVE TO MAKE.
Wrong, sorry! You don't take a pay cut because the thing you are working on is expensive to make! Did the Titanic actors have to take a pay cut because the film was so expensive to make? No!
You take a pay cut because you are easily replacable by someone capable of filling your spot equally well and willing to work for less. And the further you are from your audience, the harder it is to make yourself irreplacable.
You are probably still going to get modded up and I will get modded Troll though, because this is Slashdot after all, and people here seem to like dreaming that the world is different from how it is!
I think that a lot of films will move away from using big name actors. They cost way too much. I think that most movies could be made for a fraction of the price of one big time actor's salary.
Assuming that people still go to watch films about Lara Croft and her computerised friends even thought the whole thing is CG, and assuming that CG does indeed prove to be cheaper than current production methods...
Then there is going to be a lot of extra cash floating around. The natural question is, who will get it?
Hopefully some of it will be invested in R&D for better graphics so that we might actually get to watch some decent special effects.
So you go posting that America invaded Iraq illegally without providing any evindence and get modded up to +5! I post asking you to provide some sort of evidence and get modded Troll?
Seeing as how most of the documents are still covered by secrecy it isn't really possible to know whether the war was illegal or not until it's over. I thought there was this rule about innocent until proven guilty? Or does this not apply to America because they have bad PR?
So why is posting obvious flamebait getting modded up and questioning it and asking for evidence getting modded down?
Why is asking a perfectly natural question (one which many others are also asking) worthy of a Troll mod? Isn't that a bit one-sided?
It seems that the performance artist can still bring something to a performance, which [ a CG ] artist cannot.'"
I'm probably going to get modded as troll again but never mind!
A Hollywood actor can get $zillions because everyone recognises their face. Few people will recognise an actor from behind the CG mask. Actors for computer generated will be easily replacable and probably not earn anything like their Hollywood counterparts. In fact the computer generated character will probably be worth more money than the actor that played their part behind the scenes.
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I'm NOT saying they're greedy, etc., just recognizing the fact that funny voices by themselves don't buy much in the way of groceries.
Because these guys are close to the poverty line? If they would work for ordinary salaries there would be no difficulty in getting the money back.
Or if they made the product better so that people want to buy it, they get more sales.
Look at Microsoft. They are doing OK despite "theft" / "sharing" or whatever word you want to use.
People like boxes. They like collecting. They love supporting the artist even if it means buying into DRM. If people aren't buying their product then they must be doing something seriously wrong. I'm sure other professionals will be very eager to fill the hole they will leave when they give up. It is a free market after all.
Rather than putting your head in the sand and pretending copying won't happen, ask yourself why aren't the so called hard-core fans buying Futurama? What are they doing wrong?
The biggest corporate criminal in modern history hasn't been caught yet.
Yes, it's friggin' theft. Don't give me the "but they still have it" nonsense. You want it, they're willing to sell it to you, you take it for free against their wishes --> theft.
:-P
Nice try, nearly slipped that one under the radar. But it should have read:
You want it, they're willing to sell it to you, you copy it for free against their wishes --> copyright infringement.
There, I fixed your errors. Much better.
I know that both are illegal so what difference does it make what you call it? Surely crime is crime?
Well think of it like this... what if you went 5 miles per hour over the speed limit and I decided to call you a murderer?
Or if you took hash socially once at a party, I could start calling you a drug dealer, because both are crimes. What the heck I might as well call you a baby rapist too just for the fun of it. After all, it's just crimes and crimes. All the same.
Oh wait, you are probably one of those whiter than white people that has never ever commited a crime so you probably wouldn't understand the analogy. Forget it...
If full-season downloads weren't available, a good chunk of the people who liked the show enough to download everything would probably have bought the DVDs instead.
Not me though. Sorry. I don't buy DRM any more after getting bitten twice and ending up with many unusable pieces of plastic (including one DVD drive that is now locked into the wrong region for the majority of the DVDs I have). They aren't fooling me three times.
Downloading from the internet is far, far easier. I wouldn't use their DVDs if they paid me. It's not worth my time to mess about circumventing DRM so that I can play content I have purchased.
Now give me a way to buy DRM-free content from the internet at a reasonable price, and I'm willing to negotiate. It's never going to happen though. Not while the sheeple are willing to pay $20 and upwards for all the DRM you can fit on a disc.
When you go, (and your million pals who have an equivalently overdeveloped sense of entitlement and concomitant lack of conscience), and download the episodes using another method, it does not indicate the true amount of audience desire for the show.
They are worried about getting accurate statistics? Why don't they subscribe to the BitTorrent trackers and keep an eye on how many people are downloading at any time? Oh I know! Because they are too stupid to figure out how to do it.
Anyone with an internet connection can figure out what the most popular downloads are right now and with a bit of investment of time and money they could get very accurate (not perfect but good enough) statistics from all over the world in real time. They could probably hire a clever teenaged PHP script monkey to do it for less than the cost of one of their boxed DRM-loaded DVD sets.
Please come back when you have a real reason.
because if you would sit and wait to download all the episodes it means that you at least like it to some extent...
Akchully, nowadays you can get operating systems with 'multitasking' so you can download files in the background whilst doing other things like listening to music, writing comments on Slashdot and even sleeping. (Though you don't need a multitasking operating system for the last one.)
I would say that about 40-50% of the people who download all the episodes would have bought the dvds legally had they not have downloaded it.
I would say that 65% think that buying all the DVDs costs far too much and is a complete waste of money. Plus I am no fan of CSS. If they removed that stupid waste of time called DRM and region encoding and reduced the price enough so that I can afford it and make it more funny I might consider buying it.
But probably not.
Just curious though, do you think that I in the 40-50% of people that would have bought it legally if I hadn't downloaded it?
Clue: I have never seen it on TV so if I hadn't downloaded it I would never have heard of it and I would have just skipped over this Slashdot story just like I do with the Firefly stories or whatever that film is called that you lot always go crazy about.
If your bothering to download and watch every episode...
Isn't that by definition a hard core fan?
Most of them weren't that funny. If they show stayed cancelled I wouldn't have cried or lost sleep.
Seeing as it's being continued anyway I guess I could download the new episodes. I can't see how a few more downloads can hurt anyone? Who exactly is going to not buy the DVD just because I download some files from the net?
I'm genuinely curious as to who these people are. Who are they?
we should be contemplating exciting ways to improve Linux.
How about better integration with Microsoft products to aid people in switching over gradually? (The swithc can't be done overnight.)
Oh wait... Microsoft haven't finished documenting their 'open' protocols yet. Maybe if we wait another 10 years they will get around to doing it. No rush.
Ask him why he left The Howard Stern Show
Billy: "All I did for ten years was explain over and over why I left."
I think he might be tired of answering that question now.
it falls on the more hard-core fans to buy the dvds and vote with our wallets to get it back. Piracy seems to harm that effort at least.
... when I download every episode of Futurama for free, how does this stop a hard-core fan from buying the DVD?
Please explain to me
I'm curious.
It is also entirely possible, that we Europeans are just greedy little bastards.
Greedy? I think it's not enough. This fine is so small it probably won't change a thing. Microsoft can happily go on doing business in Europe paying this fine every day, whilst ignoring the EU's demands and still making a fortune.
This is a nice (long awaited) first step towards encouraging interoperability between computers of all types across Europe. But do remember that this is only the first step and there is still a long way to go.
Oh wow that should be so obvious that I'm surprised no-one has thought of it before. I think we have all gotten into the mindset that copyright is totally owned by the companies that wrote it that we almost forgot that it is the government that decides to allow copyright. Without the government's support, copyright is meaningless!
It seems so obvious now!
when you are with 500 people, it's a fine line between negotiating and threatening to get a discount.
Yes, threatening to leave the shop and not purchase after all is a very powerful weapon indeed. Luckily it is one of the few things a customer can do do get a discount that isn't illegal.
Actually, I think I do remember something about the astronauts being able to stop the launch on their own say-so at any time
"Hey, stop! Can I use the toilet before we go!?"
I believe that people talking about modding on /. should be automaticaly modded (Not as bad as trolling, but still a -2 points). No matter what they say or if it is asking to mod up or down.
Guess what. I agree with you. Surprised?
It's just a shame that the majority of moderators don't agree with us though. The stupid moderating is getting worse and I don't care if my posts get modded down I just want people to stop moderating everything they don't agree with as a troll!
People are going round moderating good comments as trolls just because they don't agree with them.
I think metamoderating doesn't work because there is no feedback that you have done it and no obvious immediate positive effects from doing it. Perhaps you should slowly lose karma if you don't meta-moderate regularly.
Do you actually believe that Hollywood actors are paid based on the difficulty of the work they do?
They are paid according to how much money they can bring in for the film! People love faous names and they will pay big bucks to see it, even if the actual film is a flop. The big name gets people through the gates and that generates revenue, and they are paid based on the revenue they are expected to generate.
If people were paid based on the difficulty of the job, actors would get paid a lot less than brain surgeons. The world just doesn't work like that though!
The legal advice we had - and I tabled it at the time - was that the action was entirely valid in international law terms," he said.
The British government - which has argued that UN resolutions provided a legal basis for intervening to topple Saddam Hussein - said the 2003 invasion was "not only lawful but necessary".
So much for Google, huh? Google does not answer legal questions!
Sometimes it seems only one side of the argument is allowed on Slashdot. Any attempt to question that single viewpoint results in troll mods. Disagreeing with someone or asking someone to clarify their claims doesn't make you a troll.
Use overrated then.
Funny post!
No idea why it has been modded troll though... I have noticed that a lot of posts have been modded troll recently for no reason. What's up with the moderating system? Isn't meta-moderating supposed to remove problematic moderators?
Actors almost have to take a pay cut to be the voice because 3d movies are EXpENSIVE TO MAKE.
Wrong, sorry! You don't take a pay cut because the thing you are working on is expensive to make! Did the Titanic actors have to take a pay cut because the film was so expensive to make? No!
You take a pay cut because you are easily replacable by someone capable of filling your spot equally well and willing to work for less. And the further you are from your audience, the harder it is to make yourself irreplacable.
You are probably still going to get modded up and I will get modded Troll though, because this is Slashdot after all, and people here seem to like dreaming that the world is different from how it is!
I think that a lot of films will move away from using big name actors. They cost way too much. I think that most movies could be made for a fraction of the price of one big time actor's salary.
Assuming that people still go to watch films about Lara Croft and her computerised friends even thought the whole thing is CG, and assuming that CG does indeed prove to be cheaper than current production methods...
Then there is going to be a lot of extra cash floating around. The natural question is, who will get it?
Hopefully some of it will be invested in R&D for better graphics so that we might actually get to watch some decent special effects.
So you go posting that America invaded Iraq illegally without providing any evindence and get modded up to +5! I post asking you to provide some sort of evidence and get modded Troll?
Seeing as how most of the documents are still covered by secrecy it isn't really possible to know whether the war was illegal or not until it's over. I thought there was this rule about innocent until proven guilty? Or does this not apply to America because they have bad PR?
So why is posting obvious flamebait getting modded up and questioning it and asking for evidence getting modded down?
Why is asking a perfectly natural question (one which many others are also asking) worthy of a Troll mod? Isn't that a bit one-sided?
It seems that the performance artist can still bring something to a performance, which [ a CG ] artist cannot.'"
I'm probably going to get modded as troll again but never mind!
A Hollywood actor can get $zillions because everyone recognises their face. Few people will recognise an actor from behind the CG mask. Actors for computer generated will be easily replacable and probably not earn anything like their Hollywood counterparts. In fact the computer generated character will probably be worth more money than the actor that played their part behind the scenes.
Voices though... that's a different story.
Yes. No.