Better still go there! Obviously not Iraq, Afghanistan, Beirut, etc. but, much as I applaud your suggestion that children should learn a forein language the best way by far to see the other perspective is to go there.
Many ancient (and some not so ancient) civilisations believed that slavery was moral. Slavery, by it's very nature, hurts people by depriving them of their humanity. It may well be that in a few hundred years the way the west exploits the third world will be viewed with equal abhorance. Who knows?
Current relativistic morality believes slavery is bad. This comes back to my original point. Moral values are, at best, relativistic, and, more usually, subjective. However, you, and those after kiddie porn, are both using tor for the same thing, to circumvent the rules. This is not a moral position, this is a quasi legal position.
Indeed, good science has NO facts, just the latest hypothysis (sp?) which has yet to be proven wrong. However, the original poster was using 'fact' for 'data' so I continued his usage.
You make the equation people hurt = morally bad. Well, er, that's your viewpoint, and mine, but it ain't neccessarily so. Moral values are relativistic/subjective.
Let's take an easy to understand example. I like to smoke a little hash, I have done for over thirty years. When I go to buy my hash I quite often pick up a bit extra for a mate.
My point of view - I'm a good mate helping out a friend by getting him some hash he wants.
The Daily Mail point of view - I'm a drug dealer who thoroughly deserves serious jail time.
Neither of us is right. It could even be said that the Daily Mail view has more moral value because it reflects the currant law of the land. Indeed, it may be the majority view, but neither of us can construct a logical, reasoned argument for our point of view that doesn't rest somewhere on a belief, and at this belief you need to say I/society feel that X is good/bad, end of story. (c.f Collingwood - ultimate presuppositions)
Because they're both breaking the rules. Speeding and murder are both against the law, and both will get you in trouble with the police. That doesn't mean that they're morally equivalent, but they are comparable. And here's the rub, whilst we both agree that using IRC is not in the same league as kiddie porn, that's a purely relatavistic/subjective viewpoint.
"We are fully cooperating with the investigations and working to resolve any and all issues raised in connection with those investigations as quickly as possible, and we will take any appropriate remedial or corrective actions to address any problems," said a statement from Chairman Michael Dell.
The scientists release the facts - that the permafrost is changing. Then the people who pay the scientists say 'Why should we care, why should we pay for your expensive field trips?' and the scientist replies 'Because we need to know, we need to find out what's going on, so we might have a chance of surviving (and me keeping my job)'
So, to sum up, scienists have released some facts - there are significant changes in the permafrost which are yet another significant pointer to global climate change. Furthermore, the released the fact that we don't know what significance this change will take.
I'm not saying that the rules are 'good' rules, but you, exactly like the child pornographers, are using tor to avoid the rules.
The point here is that certain 'freedoms' have costs and limits. Your demand to avoid the petty rules of your school about IRC is merely a matter of degree away from a child pornographers demand to view kiddie porn unmolested.
And meanwhile, with the current international paranoia, the powers that be will always be very interested in who doesn't want to be listened to.
Prison, as you point out, is seldom the appropriate answer. It is horrendously expensive and has a high recidivism rate. However it does satisfy the Laura Norder brigade and the very human desire to 'lock them up and throw away the key'. No politician ever won votes by proposing that prison sentences be replaced by more effective means of punishment, and, at the end of the day, that's what counts.
Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment, how many times do I have to tell people I don't do business that way, framing the law is significantly more complex. Here in the UK the TPS http://mpsonline.org.uk/tps/ should prevent the majority of telemarketers, and
Under Government legislation introduced on 1st May 1999 and replaced on 11th December 2003 by the Privacy and Electronic Communications (EC Directive) Regulations 2003, it is unlawful to make unsolicited direct marketing calls to individuals who have indicated that they do not want to receive such calls.
so I guess you've got your wish. The difference is that you've got to make the effort.
The Hatfield rail crash was a railway accident that occurred on 17 October 2000, at Hatfield, Hertfordshire, UK. Although the accident had a low death toll in comparison to other railway incidents in British history, Hatfield's historical significance has become much greater, since it demonstrated many of the flaws present in the mid 1990s privatisation of the British railway system and ultimately triggered its partial renationalisation.
As someone who was a civil servant and now works in the private sector (my job was sold) I have seen both sides of the fence. I'm not saying that the public sector is better, but I know that the private sector has just as many problems and is not a panacea. In very broad brush terms the public sector tends to err on the side of caution, and hence fail to achieve anything, the private sector is so profit driven that it cuts too many corners. I know which attitude I want behind me if I ever fly on the shuttle.
The problem is filling out the paperwork in triplicate. They may have enough time to safely repair the shuttle for launch, thye just don't have the time to do all the paperwork. This is why private space endeavors are they way of the future.
So you would be quite happy with the batteries being replaced with a cheaper alternative which might work almost as well because the savings made will increase share dividends.
Can't ride it on the road because it's a danger to itself and other road users (given it's relatively slow speed compared to a car).
But the same applies to bicycles. Are you saying that cyclists should be banned from the roads?
On the other hand I agree with your comparison to th C5. It will fail, like the C5, because it's a lousy idea. If you want cheap urban transport simply go to two wheels. In the centre of towns a bicycle is preferable. If you're doing serious distances then try a motorbike. Faster, cheeper, easier to care for, more comfortable to ride (you're not standing up), and yes, we have specially designed cities (well, er, cycle lanes)
Protip: social skills and the internet are not mutually exclusive.
No,they're not, but thinking that you are somehow superior because you spend your time on the internet rather than going to bars, or restaurants and superficially socializing and killing brain cells is mutally exclusive with social skills. I'm a bit internet user, after all I'm here. But in six hours time I'm going out to meet my friends down the pub, we'll have a few pints and a laugh and not give a damn about the status of Pluto, or the middle east. In the OPs views I'll be drowning out the idea that there's something more to life than what other people's preconceived notions are. In my view I'll be having fun with a few mates - and that's where good social skills are learnt.
Those people are too busy superficially socializing and killing brain cells to drown out the idea that there's something more to life than what other people's preconceived notions are.
Those people may not know the latest definition of a planet, or the current state of affairs in the middle east, but they are meeting with, and interacting with, other people in a very real way. It seems to me that it's you who needs to get a life, and find out that there's a vast amount more to it than the definition of a planet, or the current state of affairs in the middle east. It's called real relationships with real people (and some of them are women!)
But if they all fail together...
You can imagine the conversation
Techie 1:- Have you checked the sensors for dust?
Techie 2:- No, but they can't all have got dusty at the same time, surely it must be something they all have in common. Let's check the computer again.
I know I've missed the apparently obvious through a very similar argument.
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Windows survives, nay prospers, because it is the 'fittest' at surviving in the market place. If one of the other OSes could persuade practically every PC manufacturer to install it as default then Windows would be dead within months. So, as an analogy, lets try cockroaches, which, whilst not particularly appealing (except to other cockroaches) come as default in any environment (and yes, I know that the biology doesn't stand up)
I watch my non techie friends and peers as they purchase IT equipment. The process is
Watch TV add for local PC super store
Buy one, maybe two, magazines called something like PC Weekly but decide that they can't understand the jargon
Go down to PC superstore and buy whatever it is the salesman is pitching
Approach techie friend to sort out the mess
I'll admit that the techie friend is likely to be more aware of Dell's batery problems as he saw the picture when it was e-mailed around, but, as you can see, in my experience they only come and ask after they've handed over the big bucks. In this common (?) scenario the influence of the TV is far higher than the influence of the internet. Maybe Joe Shmoe is more internet minded your side of the pond.
You kind of missed my point - what I'm saying is that the internet has yet to make that big an impact in consumer protection. The field is already quite well covered by media that have existed for decades.
Years ago, it was always a bit easier for companies to have defective products or bad customer service because there was no way to really get information out to the masses.
Er... exactly how many years ago do you mean. Over her in the UK consumer programs on television have been seriously high in the ratings since the sixties - maybe even the fifties but my family only got a TV in 61, so I can't remember. And before that there were the curious things called newspapers which... well you get the gist of what I'm saying. Even today, for the vast majority of consumers the prime source of information will be television, and that internet thingy is only used by the kids/for e-mail/pr0n/on-line poker.
I know I'll get modded off topic, but, hey, I've got karma to burn, and I had to say thanks for the link to Girl Genius. I'll get back to work after I've read just a few more strips (honest!)
A friend of mine was sacked for not getting on with his supervisor. The excuse used was Internet pr0n. When he finally won his unfair dismissal action the most important part of the settlement was not the money but the written, legally binding agreement that
He was deemed to have left voluntarily
No negative references
I wouldn't want to job hunt after being misused in that way, but far better to be job hunting as a winner, not a loser.
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Better still go there! Obviously not Iraq, Afghanistan, Beirut, etc. but, much as I applaud your suggestion that children should learn a forein language the best way by far to see the other perspective is to go there.
Current relativistic morality believes slavery is bad. This comes back to my original point. Moral values are, at best, relativistic, and, more usually, subjective. However, you, and those after kiddie porn, are both using tor for the same thing, to circumvent the rules. This is not a moral position, this is a quasi legal position.
Indeed, good science has NO facts, just the latest hypothysis (sp?) which has yet to be proven wrong. However, the original poster was using 'fact' for 'data' so I continued his usage.
Let's take an easy to understand example. I like to smoke a little hash, I have done for over thirty years. When I go to buy my hash I quite often pick up a bit extra for a mate.
My point of view - I'm a good mate helping out a friend by getting him some hash he wants.
The Daily Mail point of view - I'm a drug dealer who thoroughly deserves serious jail time.
Neither of us is right. It could even be said that the Daily Mail view has more moral value because it reflects the currant law of the land. Indeed, it may be the majority view, but neither of us can construct a logical, reasoned argument for our point of view that doesn't rest somewhere on a belief, and at this belief you need to say I/society feel that X is good/bad, end of story. (c.f Collingwood - ultimate presuppositions)
The scientists release the facts - that the permafrost is changing. Then the people who pay the scientists say 'Why should we care, why should we pay for your expensive field trips?' and the scientist replies 'Because we need to know, we need to find out what's going on, so we might have a chance of surviving (and me keeping my job)'
So, to sum up, scienists have released some facts - there are significant changes in the permafrost which are yet another significant pointer to global climate change. Furthermore, the released the fact that we don't know what significance this change will take.
You can bet your last dollar that, if it's happening in Siberia, then it's happening in Canada.
The point here is that certain 'freedoms' have costs and limits. Your demand to avoid the petty rules of your school about IRC is merely a matter of degree away from a child pornographers demand to view kiddie porn unmolested.
And meanwhile, with the current international paranoia, the powers that be will always be very interested in who doesn't want to be listened to.
Prison, as you point out, is seldom the appropriate answer. It is horrendously expensive and has a high recidivism rate. However it does satisfy the Laura Norder brigade and the very human desire to 'lock them up and throw away the key'. No politician ever won votes by proposing that prison sentences be replaced by more effective means of punishment, and, at the end of the day, that's what counts.
For those who insist that the private sector is always preferable my I remind you what happened to the Herald of Free Enterprise http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herald_of_Free_Enterp rise or, for that matter, how much better UK trains are running in the Hatfield area http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatfield_rail_crash since privatisation.
You'll need all that power!
But the same applies to bicycles. Are you saying that cyclists should be banned from the roads?
On the other hand I agree with your comparison to th C5. It will fail, like the C5, because it's a lousy idea. If you want cheap urban transport simply go to two wheels. In the centre of towns a bicycle is preferable. If you're doing serious distances then try a motorbike. Faster, cheeper, easier to care for, more comfortable to ride (you're not standing up), and yes, we have specially designed cities (well, er, cycle lanes)
No,they're not, but thinking that you are somehow superior because you spend your time on the internet rather than going to bars, or restaurants and superficially socializing and killing brain cells is mutally exclusive with social skills. I'm a bit internet user, after all I'm here. But in six hours time I'm going out to meet my friends down the pub, we'll have a few pints and a laugh and not give a damn about the status of Pluto, or the middle east. In the OPs views I'll be drowning out the idea that there's something more to life than what other people's preconceived notions are. In my view I'll be having fun with a few mates - and that's where good social skills are learnt.
Techie 1:- Have you checked the sensors for dust?
Techie 2:- No, but they can't all have got dusty at the same time, surely it must be something they all have in common. Let's check the computer again.
I know I've missed the apparently obvious through a very similar argument.
Windows survives, nay prospers, because it is the 'fittest' at surviving in the market place. If one of the other OSes could persuade practically every PC manufacturer to install it as default then Windows would be dead within months. So, as an analogy, lets try cockroaches, which, whilst not particularly appealing (except to other cockroaches) come as default in any environment (and yes, I know that the biology doesn't stand up)
- Watch TV add for local PC super store
- Buy one, maybe two, magazines called something like PC Weekly but decide that they can't understand the jargon
- Go down to PC superstore and buy whatever it is the salesman is pitching
- Approach techie friend to sort out the mess
I'll admit that the techie friend is likely to be more aware of Dell's batery problems as he saw the picture when it was e-mailed around, but, as you can see, in my experience they only come and ask after they've handed over the big bucks. In this common (?) scenario the influence of the TV is far higher than the influence of the internet. Maybe Joe Shmoe is more internet minded your side of the pond.You kind of missed my point - what I'm saying is that the internet has yet to make that big an impact in consumer protection. The field is already quite well covered by media that have existed for decades.
Er... exactly how many years ago do you mean. Over her in the UK consumer programs on television have been seriously high in the ratings since the sixties - maybe even the fifties but my family only got a TV in 61, so I can't remember. And before that there were the curious things called newspapers which... well you get the gist of what I'm saying. Even today, for the vast majority of consumers the prime source of information will be television, and that internet thingy is only used by the kids/for e-mail/pr0n/on-line poker.
I know I'll get modded off topic, but, hey, I've got karma to burn, and I had to say thanks for the link to Girl Genius. I'll get back to work after I've read just a few more strips (honest!)
ACs don't have wives, and your right hand doesn't have a pussy
- He was deemed to have left voluntarily
- No negative references
I wouldn't want to job hunt after being misused in that way, but far better to be job hunting as a winner, not a loser.