heh, you have a different experiance than me than. I love my AlBook 15" w/1.5ghz CPU dearly (I'll get rid of it when they pry it from my cold, dead, fingers) but it burns like hell when doing large amounts of compiling, video work, etc. Its literally too hot to keep on my lap much of the time (there are times when I think I could flip the thing over and use it as a griddle). Its an amazing piece of hardware, and runs pretty cold most of the time, but push the hardware to its max and *bam*, lots of heat.
That said, its one of the greatest piece of computer hardware I've had the privelege of owning (and I've owned, or my house has contained at least, quite a bit of hardware)
I remember back when they first starting locking down the computers in the library at my HS I did something simillar to what you're talking about. I got rather annoyed at the time because I had been using the library machines to some coding and now couldnt, so I set out to break the protection.
Some of the things the admin did were rather amusing, like the fact that the original protection locked the machine down, but didnt lock you out of the autoexec.bat file, where it was called. So to disable, simply erase the program call in the autoexec and reboot (part of the problem was that our admin had very little experiance with windows in the beginning, knowing mac and unix far better). anyway, this went on and on, I would break the protection (usually leaving a message and description of how I did it in some log file or another) and the admin would put new protection on the machines. You should see those mahines now, locked down tighter'n fort knox.
Once I got a laptop I stopped doing this. Its ironic actually, at the time our admin hated me with a passion (she knew it was me, but could never prove it). Now everytime I visit my HS I drop by her office, hang-out for a while, and talk shop.
yes there is, the latest knoppix releases carry a (I believe still beta version) of an NTFS writer util (captive knoppix). However, as disks are mounted read-only by default in knoppix there should be no problem.
they don't write anything to disk unless you want 'em too (usually intentionally not easy), only ram (they can use native swap if you have it though). They usually mount local disks "read only" to make sure this is true. Since they dont touch the disk and run off CD there should be little/no chance of your windows install (or anything else on the machine for that matter) being effected in the slightest
actually, smart one, the burden of taxes falls squarely on the middle class. We're the ones who 1) dont have incomes that max out the graduated tax and therefore are paying a far higher percentage of our wages into taxes than the rich. 2) cant afford elaborate tax shelters like the rich. 3) don't qualify for the subsidation that those who are poor do.
he was talking about common keyboard shortcuts, not specialized ones for geek apps that have shortcuts that can be remapped to anything your grubby little mind can think of including a switch hooked up to your toilet bowl (actually did that one:-P). look, the most common shortcuts, the one's hard coded into many apps and OSs are designed for the INDUSTRY STARNDARD qwerty keyboard. a few exceptions so not make a rule. I've said it before and I'll say it again,/.ers need to repeat "we are not the normal set of users" to themselves. Most users do not use apps that have remappable keys and most users do use apps that use the common key commands like cntrl (or command)-c, -v, -x, etc.
I almost dropped my coffee on my laptop, and now all the users in my lab think I'm nuts 'cause I broke out laughing. Thanks, best laugh I've had all day though (its been a looong day):-P.
--Anubis
What kind of person owns a 20" LCD but not a 20" TV? You have to work pretty hard to find a 20" TV these days.
I do, my monitor (as I mentioned in another post) is a very nice 19 inch screen, my TV in college is a 13 inch crt, I spend far more time on my computer that I do watching TV (not counting all the media that I usually watch on my computer), so I'd rather spend the money on my monitor.
I have a 19inch samsung syncmaster 910T with 1000:1 contrast ratio on my desk at college with a stereo hooked up as my speakers and a pitiful 13 inch TV with built in speakers in my dorm room, guess which I watch stuff on?
It all depends what equiptment you have at your disposal, at home I will usually use the 40-something inch TV in the living room, but if its being used my 21inch CRT monitor on my computer with its dolby 5.1 setup function admirably as TV/movie watching devices. Plus as I d/l many TV series that I dont get on cable in college, its already on my comp, why bother burning it to a dvd to watch on an inferior screen?
this is excerped from "X11 and Quartz Integration" section of the article
quartz-wm also provides the pasteboard integration that allows text copying between windows. For example, you can copy text from a Terminal session to an xterm window running under X11. Note that because the key mappings differ between the two environments, you need to use the UNIX equivalents for text manipulation on the X11 side. Command-C copies selected text in both Mac OS X and xterm. But while Command-V pastes in Mac OS X, in X11 the paste key sequence differs across applications. For example, in xterm you use Option-Click to paste the buffer contents into the current xterm window. This simulates clicking with the middle mouse button held down; UNIX systems typically have multi-button mice. Other X11 applications may behave differently. See the X11 FAQ (Technical Q&A QA1232) for a more detailed discussion.
Q: How do I copy and paste using X11 for Mac OS X?
A: X11 for Mac OS X allows cut and paste between X11 and native applications using PRIMARY and PASTEBOARD selections.
You can cut text from X11 applications by selecting the text, performing a cmd-c or copy operation. You can paste in native Mac OS X applications as usual using Cmd-V.
Because there is no standard for pasting in X11 applications (some use middle mouse button, some use control-v, etc.), cmd-v doesn't work for pasting in X11 applications by design. As a result, the "Paste" menu item will be grayed out when X11 applications are in focus. You should use the control-v or the middle mouse button instead for pasting (See X11 Preferences for emulating a middle mouse button).
The "Paste" menu option will be active when non-X windows are active within X11.app (e.g., when entering text in the "Customize Applications" menu item).
A common request has been to make cmd-v work across all X11 applications. This isn't possible without re-writing all X11 applications to standardize on a single approach, which is outside the domain of X11 for Mac OS X
I hope this answers any questions you have about X11 and OSX clipboard probs so you can get back to happy OSX'ing.
cheers,
Anubis
allright, let's cut to the chase here. You're right, MS does make some good software (visual studio, MS office (2000 at least was actually a good office suite), etc). You're also right that if you know how to use it the winnt based OS's (NT, 2K, XP) are quite stable. I have a number of windows 2000 machines in my house which are well protected, well maintained, and are almost as stable (not quite actually but not pariculary unstable) as my main desktop (debian) or my laptop (Mac OSX). The majority of users however do not know how to use their systems.
Look, I repair people's computer's for my spending money, I also do user support and watch a lab at my college. Most system problems are caused by users not knowing how to use windows and windows not being configured to account for that. *nix machines are configured with user stupidity in mind. Yes stupidity knows no bounds. Yes many users will still screw up their computers, but god its much harder to do it easily. The same is true of firefox. Yes it wont stop everything, but you'd be amazed at how much "casual" crap it does stop.
So yes, MS makes some decent software sometimes, but its not safe for most users. It's ironic really, most of the users who could use MS safely use something else. That leaves the cluesless users with a vulnerable platform. Here's a mantra most/. users should repeat every so often: "we are not the typical users". Keep it in mind.
copy paste works between any two apps, X11 or otherwise, on OSX (and yes, I use the normal Xserver that apple ships with panther). as I said in the previous comment: "gaim firefox and openoffice". Firefox runs OSX native... . I use the clipboard to go between all my apps, X11 or otherwise all the time. If you can't, the problem may be one with the computer's clipboard settings or you may have some strange glitch in you X11 installion. I however have never had any problems (on my mac or anyone elses) with copying from apps running on the X sever to apps running native on Aqua. Oh btw, when I say anyone elses I also mean the several hundred macs on my universities campus I do client support for too.
1) drag and drop is supported (just tested this on my powerbook), just drag a file to "start OpenOffice.org.app"
2)Copy/paste works fine for X11 (in fact apple stresses this in their promotion of having an X server in OSX, I also just tested this on my powerbook, I use this all the time between gaim firefox and openoffice), you just need to use control instead of command.
should I assume this is a troll or a clueless mac user?
you sir, have evidently never had to deal with lots of elderly people wanting to do geneology research, email their kids/grandkids, or take/recieve digital photos. I used to teach computers at a senior center for a while in HS, I also am "the computer guy" for all the elderly people in my apartment building (that's my grandmother's fault, i.e.: oh you have a prob, my grandson'll fix it....).
Old people are actually very happy to be online. email is a great thing to them (hell my grandparents use it all the time). The ability to email pictures is formost in uses for it. Also I've found many elderly people arinterested in geneology research, a place where the web can be a valuable tool. Its just that since they didnt grow up with the technology they need help learning it... I dont think that this simPC will catch on, if for nothing other than cost (and that its a POS), but dont blow off the idea of the elderly wanting to be online.
You're probably right. The booth babes would probably not open as much to a guy. As someone on gc's forum said about that, they'd probably think the guy was hitting on them, trying to pick 'em up.
you might want to read this article on gc.com about boothbabe mentality (from E3 2004), quite an interesting (and in some cases humorous) read. Its a unique article that I remembered reading a whileback and looked it up because of your post. Of course you know a former boothbabe so the insight in the article is prolly not new to you,
I should be asleep but I'll respond first becuase this is actually a rather interesting discussion we're having
I understand that life is "shades of gray" (a wonderful cliche for you btw). My earlier argument was one of ideals. Ideals which I feel should be supported as much as possible. History shows that no ideal can exist truly without being modified at least somewhat for practicality, but ideals (for example the US's on freedom) should be used to temper any attempt to undermine freedom in much the same way the US court system tempers laws passed by congress (the courts purpose is precisely that actually). Perhaps, as you say, I'm a naive idealistic college student, its quite possible (probable) you're right. In a couple years I'll have the oppurtunity to test my beliefs in the real world, and most likely they will be altered at least somewhat by it. Such is living I guess, people who arent able to change their ideas at least somewhat as they gain more knowledge and insight are static, something which I hope I never am. For all this though I dont think however my fundamental beliefs on such things as freedom will change. Perhpas I'm wrong, who knows, 'll tell you in a couple years:-P... I look forward to finding out.
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heh, you have a different experiance than me than. I love my AlBook 15" w/1.5ghz CPU dearly (I'll get rid of it when they pry it from my cold, dead, fingers) but it burns like hell when doing large amounts of compiling, video work, etc. Its literally too hot to keep on my lap much of the time (there are times when I think I could flip the thing over and use it as a griddle). Its an amazing piece of hardware, and runs pretty cold most of the time, but push the hardware to its max and *bam*, lots of heat.
That said, its one of the greatest piece of computer hardware I've had the privelege of owning (and I've owned, or my house has contained at least, quite a bit of hardware)
I remember back when they first starting locking down the computers in the library at my HS I did something simillar to what you're talking about. I got rather annoyed at the time because I had been using the library machines to some coding and now couldnt, so I set out to break the protection.
Some of the things the admin did were rather amusing, like the fact that the original protection locked the machine down, but didnt lock you out of the autoexec.bat file, where it was called. So to disable, simply erase the program call in the autoexec and reboot (part of the problem was that our admin had very little experiance with windows in the beginning, knowing mac and unix far better). anyway, this went on and on, I would break the protection (usually leaving a message and description of how I did it in some log file or another) and the admin would put new protection on the machines. You should see those mahines now, locked down tighter'n fort knox.
Once I got a laptop I stopped doing this. Its ironic actually, at the time our admin hated me with a passion (she knew it was me, but could never prove it). Now everytime I visit my HS I drop by her office, hang-out for a while, and talk shop.
I meant captive ntfs, damn distractions like tiredness :-P
yes there is, the latest knoppix releases carry a (I believe still beta version) of an NTFS writer util (captive knoppix). However, as disks are mounted read-only by default in knoppix there should be no problem.
Assuming this is a legit ?...
they don't write anything to disk unless you want 'em too (usually intentionally not easy), only ram (they can use native swap if you have it though). They usually mount local disks "read only" to make sure this is true. Since they dont touch the disk and run off CD there should be little/no chance of your windows install (or anything else on the machine for that matter) being effected in the slightest
yes
the poor pay far more of the tax burden, both in actual amount and in percentage though, than the rich do. SO your point was wrong.
actually, smart one, the burden of taxes falls squarely on the middle class. We're the ones who 1) dont have incomes that max out the graduated tax and therefore are paying a far higher percentage of our wages into taxes than the rich. 2) cant afford elaborate tax shelters like the rich. 3) don't qualify for the subsidation that those who are poor do.
he was talking about common keyboard shortcuts, not specialized ones for geek apps that have shortcuts that can be remapped to anything your grubby little mind can think of including a switch hooked up to your toilet bowl (actually did that one :-P). look, the most common shortcuts, the one's hard coded into many apps and OSs are designed for the INDUSTRY STARNDARD qwerty keyboard. a few exceptions so not make a rule. I've said it before and I'll say it again, /.ers need to repeat "we are not the normal set of users" to themselves. Most users do not use apps that have remappable keys and most users do use apps that use the common key commands like cntrl (or command)-c, -v, -x, etc.
I almost dropped my coffee on my laptop, and now all the users in my lab think I'm nuts 'cause I broke out laughing. Thanks, best laugh I've had all day though (its been a looong day) :-P.
--Anubis
What kind of person owns a 20" LCD but not a 20" TV? You have to work pretty hard to find a 20" TV these days.
I do, my monitor (as I mentioned in another post) is a very nice 19 inch screen, my TV in college is a 13 inch crt, I spend far more time on my computer that I do watching TV (not counting all the media that I usually watch on my computer), so I'd rather spend the money on my monitor.
I have a 19inch samsung syncmaster 910T with 1000:1 contrast ratio on my desk at college with a stereo hooked up as my speakers and a pitiful 13 inch TV with built in speakers in my dorm room, guess which I watch stuff on?
It all depends what equiptment you have at your disposal, at home I will usually use the 40-something inch TV in the living room, but if its being used my 21inch CRT monitor on my computer with its dolby 5.1 setup function admirably as TV/movie watching devices. Plus as I d/l many TV series that I dont get on cable in college, its already on my comp, why bother burning it to a dvd to watch on an inferior screen?
maybe you just have a crappy monitor?
thanks, keep up the good work. I couldnt get the other torrent, but yours worked fine :-), dling as I type this
not a prob, hope it helps
I just saw another article on /. that applies to your comment. I dont know if you check for responses but if you do here goes:
1st of all, link to article here
2nd of all, important excerp:
this is excerped from "X11 and Quartz Integration" section of the article
quartz-wm also provides the pasteboard integration that allows text copying between windows. For example, you can copy text from a Terminal session to an xterm window running under X11. Note that because the key mappings differ between the two environments, you need to use the UNIX equivalents for text manipulation on the X11 side. Command-C copies selected text in both Mac OS X and xterm. But while Command-V pastes in Mac OS X, in X11 the paste key sequence differs across applications. For example, in xterm you use Option-Click to paste the buffer contents into the current xterm window. This simulates clicking with the middle mouse button held down; UNIX systems typically have multi-button mice. Other X11 applications may behave differently. See the X11 FAQ (Technical Q&A QA1232) for a more detailed discussion.
link to more info curtesy of the same article.
exerpt from that faq which should help you:
Q: How do I copy and paste using X11 for Mac OS X?
A: X11 for Mac OS X allows cut and paste between X11 and native applications using PRIMARY and PASTEBOARD selections. You can cut text from X11 applications by selecting the text, performing a cmd-c or copy operation. You can paste in native Mac OS X applications as usual using Cmd-V. Because there is no standard for pasting in X11 applications (some use middle mouse button, some use control-v, etc.), cmd-v doesn't work for pasting in X11 applications by design. As a result, the "Paste" menu item will be grayed out when X11 applications are in focus. You should use the control-v or the middle mouse button instead for pasting (See X11 Preferences for emulating a middle mouse button). The "Paste" menu option will be active when non-X windows are active within X11.app (e.g., when entering text in the "Customize Applications" menu item). A common request has been to make cmd-v work across all X11 applications. This isn't possible without re-writing all X11 applications to standardize on a single approach, which is outside the domain of X11 for Mac OS X
I hope this answers any questions you have about X11 and OSX clipboard probs so you can get back to happy OSX'ing.
cheers,
Anubis
allright, let's cut to the chase here. You're right, MS does make some good software (visual studio, MS office (2000 at least was actually a good office suite), etc). You're also right that if you know how to use it the winnt based OS's (NT, 2K, XP) are quite stable. I have a number of windows 2000 machines in my house which are well protected, well maintained, and are almost as stable (not quite actually but not pariculary unstable) as my main desktop (debian) or my laptop (Mac OSX). The majority of users however do not know how to use their systems.
/. users should repeat every so often: "we are not the typical users". Keep it in mind.
Look, I repair people's computer's for my spending money, I also do user support and watch a lab at my college. Most system problems are caused by users not knowing how to use windows and windows not being configured to account for that. *nix machines are configured with user stupidity in mind. Yes stupidity knows no bounds. Yes many users will still screw up their computers, but god its much harder to do it easily. The same is true of firefox. Yes it wont stop everything, but you'd be amazed at how much "casual" crap it does stop.
So yes, MS makes some decent software sometimes, but its not safe for most users. It's ironic really, most of the users who could use MS safely use something else. That leaves the cluesless users with a vulnerable platform. Here's a mantra most
ahhh, man, you meant "erection" right... :-P
sorry for that, I couldnt help myself....
we unofficially dub it The Welfare Burger.
:-P
lets form a "welfare burger" conspiracy eh? I'm in!
copy paste works between any two apps, X11 or otherwise, on OSX (and yes, I use the normal Xserver that apple ships with panther). as I said in the previous comment: "gaim firefox and openoffice". Firefox runs OSX native... . I use the clipboard to go between all my apps, X11 or otherwise all the time. If you can't, the problem may be one with the computer's clipboard settings or you may have some strange glitch in you X11 installion. I however have never had any problems (on my mac or anyone elses) with copying from apps running on the X sever to apps running native on Aqua. Oh btw, when I say anyone elses I also mean the several hundred macs on my universities campus I do client support for too.
this is so patently not true its laughable.
1) drag and drop is supported (just tested this on my powerbook), just drag a file to "start OpenOffice.org.app"
2)Copy/paste works fine for X11 (in fact apple stresses this in their promotion of having an X server in OSX, I also just tested this on my powerbook, I use this all the time between gaim firefox and openoffice), you just need to use control instead of command.
should I assume this is a troll or a clueless mac user?
nforce drivers work absolutely flawlessly in answer to your question.
you sir, have evidently never had to deal with lots of elderly people wanting to do geneology research, email their kids/grandkids, or take/recieve digital photos. I used to teach computers at a senior center for a while in HS, I also am "the computer guy" for all the elderly people in my apartment building (that's my grandmother's fault, i.e.: oh you have a prob, my grandson'll fix it....).
.. I dont think that this simPC will catch on, if for nothing other than cost (and that its a POS), but dont blow off the idea of the elderly wanting to be online.
Old people are actually very happy to be online. email is a great thing to them (hell my grandparents use it all the time). The ability to email pictures is formost in uses for it. Also I've found many elderly people arinterested in geneology research, a place where the web can be a valuable tool. Its just that since they didnt grow up with the technology they need help learning it.
You're probably right. The booth babes would probably not open as much to a guy. As someone on gc's forum said about that, they'd probably think the guy was hitting on them, trying to pick 'em up.
you might want to read this article on gc.com about boothbabe mentality (from E3 2004), quite an interesting (and in some cases humorous) read. Its a unique article that I remembered reading a whileback and looked it up because of your post. Of course you know a former boothbabe so the insight in the article is prolly not new to you,
I should be asleep but I'll respond first becuase this is actually a rather interesting discussion we're having
:-P... I look forward to finding out.
I understand that life is "shades of gray" (a wonderful cliche for you btw). My earlier argument was one of ideals. Ideals which I feel should be supported as much as possible. History shows that no ideal can exist truly without being modified at least somewhat for practicality, but ideals (for example the US's on freedom) should be used to temper any attempt to undermine freedom in much the same way the US court system tempers laws passed by congress (the courts purpose is precisely that actually). Perhaps, as you say, I'm a naive idealistic college student, its quite possible (probable) you're right. In a couple years I'll have the oppurtunity to test my beliefs in the real world, and most likely they will be altered at least somewhat by it. Such is living I guess, people who arent able to change their ideas at least somewhat as they gain more knowledge and insight are static, something which I hope I never am. For all this though I dont think however my fundamental beliefs on such things as freedom will change. Perhpas I'm wrong, who knows, 'll tell you in a couple years