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CES 2005 Day 1 - Walking The Show Floor

TheTechLounge writes "Our second day in Vegas for CES, and our first day on the actual show floor was pretty much what I expected: mountains of new gadgets, people in suits staring at your name tag and scantily clad models trying not to get angry as they are repeatedly photographed. We started our excursion on opening day in the upper levels of the South Hall. Big name companies like ATI, nVidia, AMD, Logitech, and HP were showcasing anything and everything they could fit into their floor space."

140 comments

  1. Nice screens matrix by moz25 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The screens on the first page look nifty. It would be even cooler if they joined better (i.e. no thick dark bars).

    1. Re:Nice screens matrix by avalys · · Score: 1

      That's what projectors are for. I've never understood what the purpose of these NxN arrays of LCDs is.

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    2. Re:Nice screens matrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yes, but that doesn't really make up for the disappointing models on the third page. Call that 'scantily clad'?

    3. Re:Nice screens matrix by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 5, Informative

      Projectors are far better for arraying in terms of joining, but there are still some issues, such as barrel distortion. A straight line projected through a lens will end up curved, particularly at the borders.

      I'm curious what it takes to make a no-edge-molding LCD display, such that the edge of the image is the edge of the panel for near-seemless joining.

    4. Re:Nice screens matrix by moz25 · · Score: 1

      I'm also curious about possible light levels in well-lit rooms. I suspect that LCD screens offer better visibility (at equal power consumption) than projectors... is that true?

      The main point for a projector of course is that the image area is very easy to adjust and that the cost/area is much lower.

    5. Re:Nice screens matrix by RollingThunder · · Score: 1

      What's the maximum resolution you can get with a projector?

      On an array of screens it's easy to have (for example) 5120x4096, with a 4x4 array of 1280x1024 capable monitors... well, if your cards can support it of course. ;)

    6. Re:Nice screens matrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about some fresnel type lens, sort of in the shape of a speed hump that fitted over the transition.

      The image being displayed could be distorted to the inverse of the lens so it would display correctly.

    7. Re:Nice screens matrix by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      The screens on the first page look nifty. It would be even cooler if they joined better (i.e. no thick dark bars).

      Am I supposed to be impressed by that?

      It looks like one of those TV-walls that were last cool twenty years ago.

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    8. Re:Nice screens matrix by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 3, Informative

      What's the maximum resolution you can get with a projector?

      Courtesy of Projector Central, the current max is:

      JVC DLA-QX1G $ 225,000 187.4 lb weight 2048x1536 7000 lumens

      Of course, you can get a 1920x1080 projector for an eight of that, or a 1400x1050:

      JVC DLA-SX21SU $ 11,995 13.0 lbs 1400x1050 1500 lumens

      There are various projects that support monitor arrays, some of them require multiple computers though.

    9. Re:Nice screens matrix by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      For absolute resolution, a panel is the best way to go. It is true that projectors wash out more easily, generally not to be used at a brightly lit room, like at a convention like this.

      The cost for screen area does go to projectors though. Watching videos is where absolute resolution doesn't matter so much (1920x1080 for HDTV, DVD is 720x480), but a larger screen makes it easier for more people to watch and be better immersed.

    10. Re:Nice screens matrix by cmacb · · Score: 1

      I've never understood what the purpose of these NxN arrays of LCDs is.

      To obtain NxN times the purchase price of just one.

    11. Re:Nice screens matrix by ezberry · · Score: 1

      Samsung had an HDTV plasma TV that wasn't available to purchase yet - it was 102". No bars or anything. There was a crows of 30 people around that TV every time I passed by.

    12. Re:Nice screens matrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm curious what it takes to make a no-edge-molding LCD display, such that the edge of the image is the edge of the panel for near-seemless joining.

      I have been told by my nanotech-fab physicist geek friends that the problem is not with the physical joining of multiple LCDs, but with things like color. Apparently each LCD panel produced is slightly different, and when you put them smack dab next to each other, even if the pixels line up, the color qualities of each mean that you can still see a seam (or so I've been told).

      I don't know how well a calibration system would work to compensate. Maybe some LCD geeks here can enlighten us...

    13. Re:Nice screens matrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember reading a couple years back about projectors with visual feedback. Multiple projectors would overlap each other and project onto an uneven wall or even a corner of a room. It would compensate and the end result is a non-distorted overlapped image. I can't find a link right now, anyone else remember this one?

  2. Only pictures most here are interested in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    1. Re:Only pictures most here are interested in by adlaiff6 · · Score: 1

      I was at a LAN at a church and all the admins had shirts with those girls on the back. It made me laugh until I stopped.

    2. Re:Only pictures most here are interested in by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 0

      I thought this was Slashdot... Since when are we only concerned with the girls at a huge technology show?

    3. Re:Only pictures most here are interested in by NardofDoom · · Score: 1

      A nerd on /. ogling girls is like a !Kung tribesmen drooling over a car: They don't have any experience with them, don't know what makes it desirable, and wouldn't know what to do with it if they had one.

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    4. Re:Only pictures most here are interested in by SunFan · · Score: 1


      Do the girls rotate on stage with a user interface that allows the geeks to change their clothes as they get to do in their favorite video games? If not, then it just isn't worth it.

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  3. Hmm. by OccidentalSlashy · · Score: 0
    scantily clad models trying not to get angry as they are repeatedly photographed

    Keep trying!

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    1. Re:Hmm. by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

      If it's so hard for them not to get angry, maybe they aren't up to the job?

    2. Re:Hmm. by jmcmunn · · Score: 5, Insightful


      Seriously, did they think they were hired for their hard work and moral values? Ummm...no I think they were probably told outright that they would be eye candy for the masses of geeks there wandering around. And is that so bad? If you've got the assets, you'd be a fool not to use them right? Personally, I don't think a woman/man is degraded by modeling her/his body professionally.

      Now maybe the moral problem comes in when you get paid by people stuffing dollar bills down your underwear...but who am I to decide what peoples' morals are? :-)

    3. Re:Hmm. by SilentChris · · Score: 2, Funny

      "And is that so bad? If you've got the assets, you'd be a fool not to use them right?"

      True. To paraphrase George Carlin, I have big, powerful hands. I use these to strangle people regularly. I mean, if you got the assets (like big powerful hands), you'd be a fool not to use them right?

    4. Re:Hmm. by way2trivial · · Score: 1
      I see, you draw the line at being eye candy that's paid directly by the appreciative eyes..

      so long as ATI is the pimp'n middle man, it's ok..

      I'm ok with strip clubs myself, and believe the direct donor method much better than the ambigious third party.. how else ya gonna touch'em?

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    5. Re:Hmm. by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Seriously, did they think they were hired for their hard work and moral values?

      A friend of mine was a booth babe, once. She was fine with showing off her assets to sell products or posing for photos. However, she wasn't prepared for just how immature grown men can be at a technical conference. Most of them had the mental maturity of a 13 year old boy stuck in a 30-year old man's body.

      Makes me embarrased for my gender...

    6. Re:Hmm. by fyngyrz · · Score: 1, Funny

      Your attempt to stretch an anology between an enhanced display of sexuality and the act of strangulation indicates that you have some serious unresolved problems, not to mention a complete lack of comprehension of sexuality. Do us all a favor; stay at home with your self-help books.

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    7. Re:Hmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kind of funny, I was listening to Paula Cole's "Where have all the cowboy's gone?" right now ...guess they're mostly dead.

    8. Re:Hmm. by SandSpider · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Makes me embarrased for my gender...

      That's just because you haven't seen any women with the male booth babes, er, hunks. Whatever. Then you could be embarrassed for all of humanity, or your country, or whatever you prefer.

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    9. Re:Hmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Makes me embarrased for my gender...

      Sex not gender.

    10. Re:Hmm. by fyngyrz · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Flamebait? Flamebait???

      The grandparent compares assult by strangling to an individual's voluntary fashion expression, I point out that this is ridiculous, and it's "Flamebait"?

      Man, that moderator (as well as the grandparent poster) needs exposure outside the psychobabble universe really, really bad. :) I love slashdot. The only qualfication you need to moderate post from people a lot smarter than you are is to not down-rank "Commander" Taco. Many moderations here have more inherent humor in them than most posts marked "funny.' All I want to know is, why can't we meta-mod moderations, "funny?" Not to mention"jaw-droppingly stupid"?

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    11. Re:Hmm. by fishbowl · · Score: 1


      >Kind of funny, I was listening to Paula Cole's
      >"Where have all the cowboy's gone?" right now
      >...guess they're mostly dead.

      They finally listened to enough country music to realize that the whole cowboy thing means you'll marry some woman, who will cheat on you, and then take everything you own in the divorce, driving you to drink until your liver fails.

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    12. Re:Hmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      go fuck yourself you oversensitive dweeb.

    13. Re:Hmm. by Octagon+Most · · Score: 1

      "All I want to know is, why can't we meta-mod moderations...."

      Um, that's what meta-moderation is. You moderate previous moderation. Actually, you are shown a series of posts along with how they were moderated and you get to judge whether you believe that particular moderation is fair or unfair. Give it a try sometime. You can't pick who you get to meta-moderate, but it's some measure of justice anyway.

    14. Re:Hmm. by fyngyrz · · Score: 1
      I metamod at every offered opportunity. What I was saying is, why can't we offer some commentary the way a regular moderation does -- not just "disagree" or "agree", but "this moderation was jaw droppingly stupid", "this moderation was silly", this moderation was funny", etc.

      Check my journal for some commentary on moderation. It's not like I haven't thought about it. It's just when someone really falls outside any bound of rationality, they way they did with my earlier post's "Flamebait" mod, I tend to speak up. No point it letting some moderator with an IQ smaller than their shoe size get by unscathed. :)

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    15. Re:Hmm. by Anubis350 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      you might want to read this article on gc.com about boothbabe mentality (from E3 2004), quite an interesting (and in some cases humorous) read. Its a unique article that I remembered reading a whileback and looked it up because of your post. Of course you know a former boothbabe so the insight in the article is prolly not new to you,

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    16. Re:Hmm. by DataCannibal · · Score: 1

      Has she never read Slashdot !?

      Anyway, around scantily clad women nearly all men behave like Beavis and Butthead, not just techies

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    17. Re:Hmm. by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I got to the end of the article before I realized it was written by a woman. I wonder if a man went around and interviewed booth babes in the same way, would they tell him the sorts of things they told this woman? I'll bet it would turn out to be a totally different article.

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    18. Re:Hmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Your tellin me, but add intelligence of a 13yr old to that also. I was at the convention Friday and one booth had a car inverter that was as big as the car battery it was plugged into. Sufficeing to say there was a "profesional" looking dipstick makeing small-talk with the "booth-babe" talkin bout anything but what was there. Heres the kicker. The dumbass had one hand on the Negative battery terminal and the other hand insainely close to the Positive one. I had to look twice...afterall...no one is that dumb rite?

    19. Re:Hmm. by Anubis350 · · Score: 1

      You're probably right. The booth babes would probably not open as much to a guy. As someone on gc's forum said about that, they'd probably think the guy was hitting on them, trying to pick 'em up.

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    20. Re:Hmm. by seanadams.com · · Score: 1

      The dumbass had one hand on the Negative battery terminal and the other hand insainely close to the Positive one. I had to look twice...afterall...no one is that dumb rite?

      Have you ever used jumper cables?

      Hooooooowwweeee man let me tell you they make those cables thick for a reason. I was hookin em up once and acidentally touched both conectors at the same time - now let me tell you 14VDC may not sound like much but coming off a really big car battery... it was enough to put me in the hospital for a week with severe nerve damage.

      Stay away from those car batteries man!!!! Take em to a certified mechanic who knows about electricity!

    21. Re:Hmm. by ryusen · · Score: 1

      um... have you actually seem most men when they are in an all male (or the only females are paid to be there) situation? 13 is being nice .p
      I had a friend who was just a cocktail waitress. One day i asked her why she was sad. She said somehting about how i was possibly the only guy in the club that hadn't felt her up that night.

      Also, ever been to a male review? i think women are more wild sometimes (but then again, they are usually encouraged to).

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  4. Phantom by FiReaNGeL · · Score: 1, Funny

    After the Infinium vs HardOCP, many "vaporware" lists throught the years, the "Phantom" Glorified PC... err... "Console" system made an appearance at this show. Will it ever make it on the store's shelves? Will people care? Stay tuned!

    1. Re:Phantom by tabacco · · Score: 4, Informative

      The phantom was at E3 2004 as well, with a massive booth. I even covered it briefly here

    2. Re:Phantom by VoidWraith · · Score: 0

      If it does in fact run the same version of the game found in the store as that article suggests, then I'm sure it won't bea huge challenge to reverse engineer. I'm suprised though, that it actually exists, and I'm also going to be suprised at anyone who buys it. $30/mo PLUS games? In the time that a normal computer lasts without upgrades, it will wind up costing you more to have bought the Phantom than to have bought a computer.

    3. Re:Phantom by FiReaNGeL · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Didn't see that! From the article you linked to :
      According to Infinium Labs' pricing scheme, hardware will be given away free to any user who agrees to a two-year contract for their basic service at $29.95 per month or for $200 without a contract. Subscribers get a stock of basic games with the hardware, plus added games each month. But don't misunderstand me, you won't be getting UT2004 for free with this console; According to an Infinium rep you'll be paying full retail price for hot new games. [...] Games are stored on a local hard drive, and may be bumped off to make room in a TiVo-like fashion if you download lots of big games. We were assured though that you'd be able to re-download the games onto the Phantom at no extra cost as many times as you want. There is no way to trasfer the games to a PC for play. Conversely, there is no way to load your existing PC game library onto the Phantom.

      According to the Infinium rep I spoke to, the Phantom runs Windows XP Embedded with an AMD processor and NVIDIA GPU. In other words, a pretty normal PC, so it seems odd that they would disallow playing current PC titles. I even asked if there was any modification made to the downloaded games to allow them to work on the console, and was told that no, the Phantom runs the exact same version of the game you'd go buy in a store. Weird.
      It seems that the reviewer was... unimpressed at the least. After reading that, I can't figure why I would be paying 30$x24 (720$ for 2 years) for crappy games and soon-to-be-obsolete hardware. And these prices are from last year, and before the (costly and useless) lawsuit versus HardOCP. I'll buy myself a PC, thanks.
    4. Re:Phantom by Rosonowski · · Score: 1

      200 dollars for just the hardware? It sounds like they either have REALLY shitty hardware, or are selling them at a considerable loss.

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    5. Re:Phantom by starman97 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a repeat of the iOpener business plan to me. And we all know what happened to them :)

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    6. Re:Phantom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup...man I can't wait to get my hands on this piece of hardware. The iOpener still makes for a nice Linux terminal :D

  5. Babes by hey · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'll have you the trouble...here are the babes

    1. Re:Babes by MouseR · · Score: 2

      As we can juge by the entire set of photos, not only that one, it seems CES on all all about empty mod cases. Nothing much else.

    2. Re:Babes by OccidentalSlashy · · Score: 0

      Those are great babes. I also couldn't help noticing that the restaurant they're eating in front of is called the "Gaylord"...lol. It's -1 Immature for me!

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    3. Re:Babes by Omniscientist · · Score: 1

      Personally, I think NVIDIA's Nalu and fairy girl (forget her name) are much hotter. I'd like to see some real life representations of that.

    4. Re:Babes by DarkHelmet · · Score: 4, Funny
      I wonder if these shows become large and mainstream enough that they'll start having "Booth men" in order to attract the Female / Gay man crowd.

      *sigh*

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    5. Re:Babes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    6. Re:Babes by OccidentalSlashy · · Score: 0

      I seriously doubt that females will show up anywhere if they feel lumped in with the "Gay Man Crowd". What we need is a separate convention for them, where ATI and NVidia show off the latest chest hair rendering algorithms, and there are 16 entrances to the bathroom so they can be sent through in parallel.

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    7. Re:Babes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I wonder if these shows become large and mainstream enough that they'll start having "Booth men" in order to attract the Female / Gay man crowd.
      I have nothing against gays, but this concept boggles my mind and makes me realize how much the world has changed: the idea that if something becomes sufficiently mainstream, it might start appealing to gays.

      Holy crap. I almost feel like a scared republican, squirming, eyes darting around, screaming, "They're everywhere!"

    8. Re:Babes by macshit · · Score: 1

      As we can juge by the entire set of photos, not only that one, it seems CES on all all about empty mod cases. Nothing much else.

      That's always mystified me -- on the rare occasion that I buy a new PC, sure, I'm all for an attractive case, but judging from a lot of tech sites (slashdot included), there are fair number of people that spend all their time thinking about it...

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    9. Re:Babes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plastic tits. No thanks.

    10. Re:Babes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's it? one friggen picture? there's got to be better booth babes out there that those two. ...sigh... I wish I could go to vegas.

    11. Re:Babes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At E3 they usualy have a model out for her. Wasn't at CES though just lame rended video.

    12. Re:Babes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the one on the left is the ugliest booth babe i've ever seen.

    13. Re:Babes by Wehesheit · · Score: 1

      The one on the left looks pretty manly to me. I believe only the face is real.

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  6. Shuttle by Nightreaver · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The new shuttles are what my eyes are out for. Their design has become top notch and you can now purchase systems with AMD64... I'm just waiting for the money.

    1. Re:Shuttle by Nasarius · · Score: 1

      Same here. I'm grabbing an SN95G5 and an Athlon64 3500+ as soon as I get another $150 to spare. BTW, I've found that buying the barebones unit and the rest of the hardware from NewEgg saves you a bunch of cash over ordering a pre-built system from Shuttle (down from about $1500 to $1000 in my case).
      It's supposed to be nice and quiet too, which is a big plus in my book.

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    2. Re:Shuttle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's supposed to be, but it's not too quiet. You may want to get some foam or rubber padding for your CD and HD drives. Also, don't forget to either get a video card with a variable speed fan or get an aftermarket one too.

    3. Re:Shuttle by zaffir · · Score: 1

      I have an SN95G5. With the bios-controlled fan speeds set to "medium," it's surprisingly quiet compared to most PCs. My Dell at work is still better in terms of fan noise though.

      If you set the fan to "low," you'll get nearly-silent operation, but the machine runs too hot for my liking. I didn't have any stability problems with it set like this, but i could feel the heat radiating off the case, and the fan grille in back was almost hot enough to be painful to the touch.

      The fan sounds like a hair dryer when you run it at full speed.

      i think the best idea would be to find the best 92mm fan you can and replace the one that comes stock.

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  7. Graphics cards? by BabyJaysus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Any word on motherboards for AMD Athlon 64 (esp. socket 939) with PCI-express, or even dual--PCI-express slots for SLI?

    1. Re:Graphics cards? by Nasarius · · Score: 1

      Heard of the nForce4?

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    2. Re:Graphics cards? by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 2, Informative
      Any word on motherboards for AMD Athlon 64 (esp. socket 939) with PCI-express, or even dual--PCI-express slots for SLI?

      In the article, it says the new units from Shuttle support PCI-E, and Nightreaver says they support AMD64.

  8. Scantily Clad Models by kaedemichi255 · · Score: 5, Funny

    FYI, if you really wanted to see hot women this weekend in Vegas, there's also a Adult Film Convention taking place at the same time. Dunno where it is, but just follow all the flocking male crowds ;)

    1. Re:Scantily Clad Models by gclef · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ahhh...vegas cons...the only place where the phrase "check out that rack!" can have more than one meaning.

    2. Re:Scantily Clad Models by dustinbarbour · · Score: 1

      Sands Convention Center.. Just down the road from CES. And yes, I live in Vegas.

  9. follow all the flocking male crowds by way2trivial · · Score: 4, Funny
    thanks for the advice,

    I ended up in the gay filmmakers pavilion

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    1. Re: follow all the flocking male crowds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, you didn't "end up there," you were born like that:)

  10. Money Money Money by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now maybe the moral problem comes in when you get paid by people stuffing dollar bills down your underwear...but who am I to decide what peoples' morals are?

    By the way, in such cases, stick to dollar bills and higher; I paid them in pennies and assorted small change once, and for some reason they did *not* like that at all.

    I don't know why; it's not like I'm stingey. There must have been at *least* $9.50 worth in there.

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    1. Re:Money Money Money by mikeb39 · · Score: 1

      They really, really don't like it when you pay them in pennys in those rolls you get from the bank. There's like 50 pennys in each, so it's only expected that you will use several handfuls of the rolls. *shrug*

      I just don't get strippers.

    2. Re:Money Money Money by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      They really, really don't like it when you pay them in pennys in those rolls you get from the bank.

      There's always the risk of them getting mistaken for ladyboys when you do that...

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    3. Re:Money Money Money by NegativeOneUserID · · Score: 1
      By the way, in such cases, stick to dollar bills and higher
      The new golden-dollar dosent work either. Dont ask how I know.
  11. The Phantom by retro128 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was at CES all day on Saturday, and lo and behold, what was in the nVidia booth? Well apparently Infinium Labs had a rep showing off the Phantom console there. I thought that was very interesting considering the fact that it won this year's Wired Vaporware Award.

    So needless to say, a friend of mine and I started grilling the poor guy. Naturally the first thing we wanted to know was how much the subcription fee was. His answer: "I am a hardware guy". Ok, fine, so now we wanted to know if the game content was exclusive or if it was just (under)glorified PC. He said that the Phantom would run anything a PC would and is directly loaded over the 'Net. So basically that left us with the impression that the Phantom was basically a PC in a fancy box pre-packaged with a Steam-like delivery system. I starting asking about the guts, and found out that they are farming out the board design to BIOStar, but I didn't get any word on what the BIOS would be like. That is, if it was encrypted Xbox style or pretty left alone. However, the indication I got was that it would be pretty well locked down. I also asked how the system would handle a hard disk crash, and he said the hard disk could be replaced and the content would automatically load itself back on the drive. I commented "so it takes you what, a day and half to get to your stuff loaded again", to which he replied, "Well, how often does your hard disk crash?", to which I shot back "Well, if it's a Maxtor, once every two weeks."

    Then he wanted to know what kind of hard disk I would recommend to put into it. I said Seagate and he seemed to agree with me. So if Seagate ends up in the Phantom, it's because of me! :)

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    1. Re:The Phantom by way2trivial · · Score: 1

      didja think to ask- what kind of video card? (nvidia I'm guessing- but- which?)

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    2. Re:The Phantom by Joel+from+Sydney · · Score: 1

      You recommended Seagate?!?! Obviously you never had one of their Horrorcuda (Barracuda) drives!

      Should've gone with Western Digital....

    3. Re:The Phantom by Nik13 · · Score: 1

      Funny how my maxtors never seem to fail (and afaik, lots ship on xbox'es and tivos w/o major returns), yet I've had soooo many WDs fail it's not even funny. (Worst thing after the class-action-lawsuit causing Fujitsu's). Seagates aren't that bad.

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    4. Re:The Phantom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never seen a Maxtor in an XBox ONCE from the factory. All I've seen are WD (Moded 4 XBoxes for friends because thier WD drive failed) and for a long time almost every drive shipped with XBoxes are slim Seagtes now...never moded one XBox because a Seagate failed...allthought I do have about 35 or so 10gig Seagate drives I dunno how the hell I'm gona use em (and I given away most of them).

  12. The one on the left... by igorthefiend · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... clearly wants to defect to Apple.

  13. Here's some more (IMHO hotter) girls by Spitfire75 · · Score: 1

    From one of my favorite news sites: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20583

  14. Models are not promotions people by Magickcat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article poster is confusing "models" with "promotions" people.

    A model walks on a catwalk or is seen in a fashion magazine, wheras a "promotions person" wears does the type of job you're mentioning. Models have a fashion type of look and this is normally their professional career while it lasts, wheras promotions people are expected to be a sort of good looking sales person and can look any sort of look. Generally people who can't get into fashion end up doing depressing and explotitive jobs like promotion work. A model wouldn't be seen dead doing this type of work.

    Additionally, if they were modelling clothes, they wouldn't mind being photographed. The fact is however that promotions girls are just tits and ass.

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    1. Re:Models are not promotions people by garvon · · Score: 2, Funny

      >"The fact is however that promotions girls are just tits and ass."
      You say that like it is a bad thing!

    2. Re:Models are not promotions people by Sloppy · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Additionally, if they were modelling clothes, they wouldn't mind being photographed. The fact is however that promotions girls are just tits and ass.
      Saw a job advert for meat, decided to apply for the job as meat, got hired as meat, worked as meat .. then get angry when treated like meat. Go figure.
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    3. Re:Models are not promotions people by SandmanWAIX · · Score: 2, Funny

      The fact is however that promotions girls are just tits and ass.

      God bless them.

    4. Re:Models are not promotions people by ksheff · · Score: 1

      no shit. that's a very good thing IMHO..something that's in short supply in this neck of the woods.

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    5. Re:Models are not promotions people by Magickcat · · Score: 1

      >You say that like it is a bad thing!

      I prefer sex myself.

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    6. Re:Models are not promotions people by Magickcat · · Score: 1

      Well said Sloppy, exactly so.

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    7. Re:Models are not promotions people by xgamer04 · · Score: 1

      Um, a model is someone who is hired to be looked at. I don't see how this is different.

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    8. Re:Models are not promotions people by Magickcat · · Score: 1

      Um, a model is someone who is hired to be looked at. I don't see how this is different.

      By your defintion, you wouldn't see a difference, but your definition is incorrect.

      A model is not a person who is to be looked at. A model models clothing or jewellery etc - they may be looked at, but they actually model something.
      A promotions person doesn't model anything, they promote something. The two terms are not interchangable. A model for instance must conform to certain aesthethic standards, but a promotions person can be anyone. A fashion model has a certain look to their face, a certain height range and a certain figure - these things are known and recognised in the fashion industry.

      A promotions person is often a dancer/fitness instructor etc, etc who likes the idea of making money with their appearance but can't get into actual modelling because they don't have the right looks for it. Usually promotion jobs are quite demeaning to the women who do them. It generally involves flashing lots of skin and making loosers think that you're interested in talking to them whilst they try to sell them things.

      Everyone wants to be a model, and it's often though to be some sort of badge of merit to call yourself one. But if you don't model clothes for a professional fashon house like Dior, Chanel etc, then youy're simply not a model. These people might be spokepeople, promotions people, PR assistants, sales people, promotions people - but they are not models.

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    9. Re:Models are not promotions people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looking forward to hear that great line again when you're outsourced.

      Asshole.

    10. Re:Models are not promotions people by djplurvert · · Score: 1

      ...will the yawning NEVER stop....

    11. Re:Models are not promotions people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The model is wearing the product, the promotions person is just standing somewhere near the product (if in fact they've brought a product rather than just a canned demo).

      If you come back from Paris with 1800 pictures of models in various outrageous outfits, that's a success for the fashion designers. People will see your photos and buy the product (which in this case is the clothes). This works better if you remembered to note down which designer made which clothes, but oh well...

      If you come back from CES with 1800 pictures of promotions people, half of which are attempts at cleavage shots, that's a big waste of time for the technology companies. Even if the photo of a young woman in a short black skirt is annotated "Hot Sony chick, near PS2 stand" Sony aren't getting what they wanted out of the deal.

    12. Re:Models are not promotions people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try shutting your mouth. That'll help.

    13. Re:Models are not promotions people by djplurvert · · Score: 1

      Oh believe me, I tried, it was involuntary. You don't seem to be helping matters any.

      Oh, silly me, go on, have your fun talking about modeling and clothes and all that. I'm sure someone thinks it's important.

    14. Re:Models are not promotions people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As involuntary as your feigning boredom I'd say. I'll let you get back to your nap.

    15. Re:Models are not promotions people by djplurvert · · Score: 1

      You really like talking about modeling and stuff, huh? Have your thought about an exciting career in the fashion industy? Oh, and don't be ashamed of it. You know, rosie greer did needlepoint. Come out from behind that AC door.

  15. Fess up. by halcyon1234 · · Score: 1
    You're not reading this article for the insightful comments about up and coming articles, are you?

    You're looking for links to girls, right?

    Yeah, I thought so.

    1. Re:Fess up. by QuasiEvil · · Score: 1

      Dammit, you've caught on to my clever scheme of exploiting other people's work in finding the links...

      Unfortunately, I'm rather disappointed in tonight's posters. Not one link yet to a site titled "Boothbabes of CES 2005". Come on /.ers, don't let me down.

  16. Models and Promotions *look* different by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Funny

    BTW, a large proportion of real models are *not* the stereotypical 'eyes popping out, tongue drooling' well-endowed types that men like; if anything, most of them have small to medium breasts and seem to be chosen for symmetry of facial features and flawlessness of complexion.

    To put it bluntly, big tits might sell to men, but they aren't necessarily what designers are looking for to show off their work.

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    1. Re:Models and Promotions *look* different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To put it bluntly, big tits might sell to men, but they aren't necessarily what designers are looking for to show off their work.

      Fashion: homosexual men, designing clothes for pre-pubescent girls.

    2. Re:Models and Promotions *look* different by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Fashion: homosexual men, designing clothes for pre-pubescent girls.

      The version I heard was homosexual men designing clothes for teenage boys...

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  17. Dont waste your time. by GerbilSocks · · Score: 0, Troll

    Crap reporting at it's finest!

  18. Those are people, not sacks of meat by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    These shows are generally hell for them. There is very little going on around them that they can relate to, so they're copping the worst of both worlds in terms of both sensory overload and sensory deprivation. They're also constantly being ogled, occasionally pawed, and with very rare exceptions are getting no feedback to tell them that what they're doing is worthwhile or constructive. And they usually have to be on their feet all day for several days in a row.

    Try it yourself some day before moaning about insufficient scant.

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    1. Re:Those are people, not sacks of meat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stfu noob

  19. [OT] Tagline - pre-Election Rapture by leonbrooks · · Score: 1
    Why couldn't they have their Rapture before the election and let the rest of us get on with our lives?
    Two reasons:
    1. Read up on this. The so-called Rapture is not scheduled to be secret, nor will there be a human left alive on Earth immediately after it, which would immediately cast a pall of gloom (or at least silence) over the election - vigorous debate ensues as to whether or not this is actually a bad thing
    2. the Christian Right is more about earthly power and forcing people to do what they see as correct than it is about defending the rights of Christians, even particular sects of Christianity.
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    1. Re:[OT] Tagline - pre-Election Rapture by xgamer04 · · Score: 1

      BTW, I don't think Bush would be raptured. Giving to the rich and stealing from the poor does not seem very Christian to me.

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    2. Re:[OT] Tagline - pre-Election Rapture by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

      You have a point which cannot be discounted out of hand, methinks.

      Mind you, some of Kerry's little pork pies would also disqualify him too if he were seriously religious. If I'd been a Yank, I'd have to have taken the Brewster's Millions approach.

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  20. Twins - so cliche. by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1
    Man, of all the scantily clad models, you show twins!

    If I had a dollar for every time I've I have had torrid sex with sexy twins (of the opposite sex, of course)... who are you kidding. How cliche can you get?

    [Ok, I'd, be at least a dollar better off.]

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    1. Re:Twins - so cliche. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you mean ... fraternal twins ? You'd have sex with fraternal twins ? You're sick.

    2. Re:Twins - so cliche. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I've I have had torrid sex with sexy twins (of the opposite sex, of course)

      One boy, one girl? You some wierd sort of guy!

    3. Re:Twins - so cliche. by Mudcathi · · Score: 1
      If I had a dollar for every time I've I have had torrid sex with sexy twins...

      ... then you'd have $0.00?

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    4. Re:Twins - so cliche. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously you don't know the meaning of "fraternal twins."

      "fraternal twins
      pl.n.

      Twins that derive from separately fertilized ova and that have different genetic makeup. They may be of the same or opposite sex. "

  21. And for those who haven't noticed... by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    ...yes, SlashDot's handling of HTML does suck. There should be a "2." before "the Christian Right" but for lack of a it has been secretly raptured away.

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  22. That's easy enough to do... by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    ...just move here to Australia. (-:

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  23. RTFA by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    Since it was on the nVidia stand, obviously it would be an XGI or ATI chipset, no?

    On a more serious note, I wonder how hard it would be to file off the non-standard BIOS and replace it with a real one? USD$200 sounds fairly reasonable for the hardware.

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    1. Re:RTFA by way2trivial · · Score: 1
      Ya think moron- but- look at my comment again.. that part between ( and )

      guess who is thinking moron now.

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  24. I went to CES 2005.. by dustinbarbour · · Score: 1

    ...and it sucked. I didn't see much of anything spectacular. The nVidia booth had a sweet TV displaying images in 3D without the need for any special glasses. I was impressed.

    Other than that, it sucked. Microsoft and Intel had nothing spectacular. Motorola had some decent phones, but even those were just obvious next steps in the evolution of the market. All in all, I was disappointed. Good thing my employer paid for the tickets.

    1. Re:I went to CES 2005.. by dustinbarbour · · Score: 1

      Yeah.. I meant to say 'monitor' and not 'TV.' Haha.. and apparently its called the Phantom. As I said, it was sweet.. but I was completely unimpressed by the rest of the show.

  25. Sony black projector screen. by JVert · · Score: 1

    I saw the sony black screen. Finally made sense when I saw it and crushed my heart with its limitations. Its got a $2,000 price tag and is not due out untill summer. Now that I see it I picture a very reflective material on the back and filtered layers in between blocking any colors but the red/green/blue. However the problem is there is are brighter/darker regions depending on where you stand. Not sure if thats the reflection of the display or lighting of the room (which was not terribly bright). Its not that bad but worse then any rear projector displays I saw at the show so there is no reason to blow $2k on a system that replaces one problem with another.

    1. Re:Sony black projector screen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $2000? Ouch.

      HP claims to have the technology to make 1280x1024 projectors for more like $150.

      I'll believe it when I see it, of course, but if they can bring the price down this much in the next year, imagine what their $2000 projectors will be able to do.

    2. Re:Sony black projector screen. by JVert · · Score: 1

      Interesting... HP was showing off projectors.

      With the sony thing, renember its only the screen that the image is projected on, not the projector itself.

  26. Noob? by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    Read the UID, kiddy, and think about it for a minute.

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  27. Um, it would have to be you? by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    You're not ESL at all? Your literary style seems unusually opaque.

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  28. It depends how much you pay for the lens by panurge · · Score: 1
    Cheap projector lenses have barrel distortion, just like the cheap zoom lenses used on digital cameras.

    Expensive lenses have as little distortion as you like but are bulky and may be restricted in zoom range. As with everything, you get what you pay for.

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  29. I'm not a Christian but... by greenrd · · Score: 1
    "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven" - The Bible

    Sorry if I didn't get that word-perfect.

  30. In our own twisted way of looking at things... by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    ...the rich man has more to lose. However, since what we gain is infinitely wonderful, the entire collected fortunes of Bill Gates, King Saud and Solomon all rolled into one would be chump change.

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  31. Score 5, Darwin Award by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For posts like this, we need a (Score:5, Darwin Award)