The chairman is not the one who should face charges, the Site director/manager should be brought up on charges. He is the one resposible to that site's safety and operations not the CEO/Chairman.
I am a very pro-business individual, by annual pay depends on my companies and divisions performance. That said what happened at UC India is in-excusable. -nB
Doesn't matter if they do. The EULA to use my LAN is that all packets are statefully inspected for malicious content prior to ingress or egress from the border of the lan to the Internet.
HA I win. My EULA is just as enforcable as yours:P -nB
On a complete aside:
While I enjoyed playing with my own personal CAT12K, I gotta say that the 10K is far more portable and all in all a "denser" device. If you don't neet the added capabilities of the 12K 3x10K's fits the same rack space and can cover more clients. I would only use a 12K as an inter-backbone provider, with look ahead for the CEF to 5 hops max. my.02 -nB
I think they are being respectable stewards of the internet. People who run their own mail servers at home are the vast minority. They make it fairly easy to unblock the port so long as you know what you are doing. By blocking 25 by default they prevent nearly all SPAM from coming from their network. I for one would rather take 1/2 hour to enable port 25 and receive no spam than other options. This way they don't have to worry about invading anyone's privacy by checking how many mails come from your link per day and such. -nB
I for one think restricting port 25 is a good idea. My ISP blocks 25 by default. If you contact tech support and request that it be enabled they bump you to tier3 support, who quiz you breifly to ensure you are capable of securing it and then open it for you. Not a bad deal all together. The quiz is really just a checklist: 1) You know port 25 is for a mailserver right? 2) Do you know how to configure your mailserver so it won't be an open relay? 3) Promise you won't send spam. 4) Port 25 is now open. Works for me:-) (esp. when you consider how many Zombies that stops dead in their tracks). -nB
This is a double edged sword. I particularly don't like the 2AM pages. The worst of it is when you are harried all night by pages from people who don't know what they are doing, you drive in after providing an hour of phone support, hit the big red button you told them to hit (*seriously*), and go home. Time elapsed: 2 hours, minimum pay they have to pay you for the page and subsequent call-in: 2 hours. Time you have to be back at the office: 8AM. It really, really sucks. The flip side to the coin is that when you resolve that page with a 10 minute VNC session and they still have to pay you the 2 hour minimum; that is cool. Note that the 2 hours pay is at full rate (overtime actually) and the rest of the time you carry the pager you make quarter rate. You will soon realize after carrying that leash, that 25% pay does not make it worthwhile. -nB
I charge my overtime pay to fix someone's computer. When they balk at the price, I explain that I could stay at work and make this same ammount or I can work for them, I don't care which. If I have my druthers I'll hack an Xbox, play with my kids, or take the wife out to dinner. Your range of $20-$40 is right in the ballpark;) -nB
" Having a passion for something, and wanting to work on other people's broken shit is hardly the same thing." Exactly, That's why during the day I code and at night I play on my website and hack the living hell out of a known hardware platform. I find it balances out all I do during the day (I've always preferred hardware, but in my new position I rarely get a chance to fuc. . er . . . work with it). -nB
Picking only on the lifetime return policy (the rest seems pretty solid):
It *is* absurd. A term like a year may be fine, but lifetime in not a reasonable assumption. How would a company possibly be expected to forcast things like this. At some point they need to be able to say "we will never see this product returned en masse".
An interesting hybrid approach may be: returnable for teh usable life of the product or 6 months, which ever is greater, with usable life being defined as "untill the next version comes out". -nB
Agreed, but stupid, dumb-ass, half witted, unreasonable arguments are not the way to make the point.
The point, when made, about the EULA needing a magic decoder ring/lawyer, was lost in all his other ranting (it was actually a good point though). I would suggest the problem be approached the same way I approach my software: Even if it's way more complicated for me to fix an issue in software, that is still better than adding any undue complexity to the User Interface (which is already evolving into it's own OS). I think the Lawyers should be required to make EULA's no longer than 1000 words (a word == 6 chars no whitespace), and must be readable by an individual representative of a common user. Any ambiguity will be resolved in the users favor by default. This will both keep the lawyers (and corps) on their toes, while at the same time allowing users to know what they are getting into without reading a legalized version of War and Peace.
No, he's saying that the clerks are being nice by warning you of additional requirements to use the game beyond the box you are buying. (are you intentionally mis-understanding him? If so read the above slower. ..) -nB
Will Valve pay me for the time i spent in going out and buying their product? You would have spent that same time if you went to the store and decided not to buy it while you were there. This is not a valid argument.
How about for the hassle of sending it back and getting my money? You, in theory, could request reimbursement for postage fees, though they likely would only want the CoA and Media back, so shipping should be nominal.
How about for the time i spent reading the whole EULA? That's you're job as a consumer. If you care enough to read it that's on your time, not theirs, thus no refund.
Will they pay me for the legal costs incurred in having a lawyer read the whole thing and explain me the legal implications of the EULA (Since it's unlikelly that a layman can fully understand the meaning of the EULA)? Hazard of the territory I suppose. IMHO you're being unreasonable.
Do i have a full lifetime guarantee that i can give it back if have never installed their product and disagree with the License Agreement? No, because that's absurd.
No??? no.
I thought so,! You thought what? please fill out an I.D. ten tango form on your way out the door.
:P
-nB
interestingly on my site the current stats are: Windows 25044 90.1 % Unknown 1378 4.9 % Macintosh 779 2.8 % Linux 572 2 %
for the operating system BUT . ..
MS Internet Explorer 15578 56 % FireFox 8152 29.3 % Mozilla 2265 8.1 % Netscape 685 2.4 % Opera 544 1.9 % Safari 471 1.6 % for the browsers. ..
I've got to think that a lot of thise kiddie "hackers" are going ot be causing the same browers to be used by the rest of the household, so the demographic interested in hacking on the Xbox seem to also have a lower usage rate of IE.
According tho TFA, the dots are controlled by a chip (which must be programmed), thus indirectly it's under SW control. I would think that it would be an OTP chip though, so hacking it may be difficult. I'd go with buying broken models of printer that match yours, and rotate the chips through, smashing them with a hammer when done. (retaining the origional chip to re-install when the "activities" have been completed) -nB
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The chairman is not the one who should face charges, the Site director/manager should be brought up on charges. He is the one resposible to that site's safety and operations not the CEO/Chairman.
I am a very pro-business individual, by annual pay depends on my companies and divisions performance. That said what happened at UC India is in-excusable.
-nB
TFA says that the program attacks sited advertised in the spam, thus the source machine of the UCE is not the target.
-nB
Really,
:grrr:
Is there anything legally wrong with this?
It's not a "bot" army in that the owners of the PC's opted in to do this.
-nB
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Damn 2 min between posts BS has got to go. Should be limited to within topics or something
I think GP meant: .
If you replaced the gadgetry with a solar panel of equivelant surface area . .
-nB
"Their spyware does not 'OWN' the packets."
:P
Doesn't matter if they do. The EULA to use my LAN is that all packets are statefully inspected for malicious content prior to ingress or egress from the border of the lan to the Internet.
HA I win. My EULA is just as enforcable as yours
-nB
On a complete aside: .02
While I enjoyed playing with my own personal CAT12K, I gotta say that the 10K is far more portable and all in all a "denser" device. If you don't neet the added capabilities of the 12K 3x10K's fits the same rack space and can cover more clients. I would only use a 12K as an inter-backbone provider, with look ahead for the CEF to 5 hops max.
my
-nB
I think they are being respectable stewards of the internet.
People who run their own mail servers at home are the vast minority. They make it fairly easy to unblock the port so long as you know what you are doing.
By blocking 25 by default they prevent nearly all SPAM from coming from their network. I for one would rather take 1/2 hour to enable port 25 and receive no spam than other options. This way they don't have to worry about invading anyone's privacy by checking how many mails come from your link per day and such.
-nB
I for one think restricting port 25 is a good idea. :-) (esp. when you consider how many Zombies that stops dead in their tracks).
My ISP blocks 25 by default. If you contact tech support and request that it be enabled they bump you to tier3 support, who quiz you breifly to ensure you are capable of securing it and then open it for you. Not a bad deal all together. The quiz is really just a checklist:
1) You know port 25 is for a mailserver right?
2) Do you know how to configure your mailserver so it won't be an open relay?
3) Promise you won't send spam.
4) Port 25 is now open.
Works for me
-nB
I looked into hosting at sealand. It's not cheap. -nB
This is a double edged sword. I particularly don't like the 2AM pages. The worst of it is when you are harried all night by pages from people who don't know what they are doing, you drive in after providing an hour of phone support, hit the big red button you told them to hit (*seriously*), and go home. Time elapsed: 2 hours, minimum pay they have to pay you for the page and subsequent call-in: 2 hours. Time you have to be back at the office: 8AM. It really, really sucks. The flip side to the coin is that when you resolve that page with a 10 minute VNC session and they still have to pay you the 2 hour minimum; that is cool.
Note that the 2 hours pay is at full rate (overtime actually) and the rest of the time you carry the pager you make quarter rate. You will soon realize after carrying that leash, that 25% pay does not make it worthwhile.
-nB
I charge my overtime pay to fix someone's computer. When they balk at the price, I explain that I could stay at work and make this same ammount or I can work for them, I don't care which. If I have my druthers I'll hack an Xbox, play with my kids, or take the wife out to dinner. ;)
Your range of $20-$40 is right in the ballpark
-nB
" Having a passion for something, and wanting to work on other people's broken shit is hardly the same thing."
Exactly, That's why during the day I code and at night I play on my website and hack the living hell out of a known hardware platform. I find it balances out all I do during the day (I've always preferred hardware, but in my new position I rarely get a chance to fuc. . er . . . work with it).
-nB
did you just DOS me?
-nB
This from someone with a Soviet Russia joke in their sig! :-)
At least the story is actually about something being declared dead this time
-nB
Linux is better than M$!
:)
Linus is better than Balmer!
Yeah yeah yeah
-nB
Picking only on the lifetime return policy (the rest seems pretty solid):
It *is* absurd. A term like a year may be fine, but lifetime in not a reasonable assumption. How would a company possibly be expected to forcast things like this. At some point they need to be able to say "we will never see this product returned en masse".
An interesting hybrid approach may be: returnable for teh usable life of the product or 6 months, which ever is greater, with usable life being defined as "untill the next version comes out".
-nB
Agreed, but stupid, dumb-ass, half witted, unreasonable arguments are not the way to make the point.
The point, when made, about the EULA needing a magic decoder ring/lawyer, was lost in all his other ranting (it was actually a good point though). I would suggest the problem be approached the same way I approach my software:
Even if it's way more complicated for me to fix an issue in software, that is still better than adding any undue complexity to the User Interface (which is already evolving into it's own OS).
I think the Lawyers should be required to make EULA's no longer than 1000 words (a word == 6 chars no whitespace), and must be readable by an individual representative of a common user. Any ambiguity will be resolved in the users favor by default. This will both keep the lawyers (and corps) on their toes, while at the same time allowing users to know what they are getting into without reading a legalized version of War and Peace.
-nB
No, he's saying that the clerks are being nice by warning you of additional requirements to use the game beyond the box you are buying. .)
(are you intentionally mis-understanding him? If so read the above slower. .
-nB
Will Valve pay me for the time i spent in going out and buying their product?
You would have spent that same time if you went to the store and decided not to buy it while you were there. This is not a valid argument.
How about for the hassle of sending it back and getting my money?
You, in theory, could request reimbursement for postage fees, though they likely would only want the CoA and Media back, so shipping should be nominal.
How about for the time i spent reading the whole EULA?
That's you're job as a consumer. If you care enough to read it that's on your time, not theirs, thus no refund.
Will they pay me for the legal costs incurred in having a lawyer read the whole thing and explain me the legal implications of the EULA (Since it's unlikelly that a layman can fully understand the meaning of the EULA)?
Hazard of the territory I suppose. IMHO you're being unreasonable.
Do i have a full lifetime guarantee that i can give it back if have never installed their product and disagree with the License Agreement?
No, because that's absurd.
No???
no.
I thought so,!
You thought what? please fill out an I.D. ten tango form on your way out the door.
:P
-nB
The site says what is needed to register in wonderful highlight right at teh top.
what site?
According tho TFA, the dots are controlled by a chip (which must be programmed), thus indirectly it's under SW control. I would think that it would be an OTP chip though, so hacking it may be difficult. I'd go with buying broken models of printer that match yours, and rotate the chips through, smashing them with a hammer when done. (retaining the origional chip to re-install when the "activities" have been completed)
-nB
" make a printer driver that prints black dots at exactly those locations?"
you're joking right?
that would just scream HERE I AM!! I'M AN ENCODED S/N.
No, the driver would need to put random "noise" dots of the same intensity yellow into the printed image.
-nB
Ferric chloride, as long as you don't mind the smell and brown stain on everything(which is fine if you're ruining forensic evidence).
-nB