Are you saying that this linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ? As in, without a boot disk, without any drivers, and without any services ? That sounds preposterous to me.
If it were true (and I doubt it), then companies would be selling computers without a windows. This clearly is not happening, so there must be some error in your calculations. I hope you realise that windows is more than just Office ? Its a whole system that runs the computer from start to finish, and that is a very difficult thing to acheive. A lot of people dont realise this.
Microsoft just spent $9 billion and many years to create Vista, so it does not sound reasonable that some new alternative could just snap into existence overnight like that. It would take billions of dollars and a massive effort to achieve. IBM tried, and spent a huge amount of money developing OS/2 but could never keep up with Windows. Apple tried to create their own system for years, but finally gave up recently and moved to Intel and Microsoft.
Its just not possible that a freeware like the Linux could be extended to the point where it runs the entire computer fron start to finish, without using some of the more critical parts of windows. Not possible.
I witnessed, first hand just the other day, a demonstration of a machine loading up the linux, and several points piqued my interest for sure.
Firstly, the machine loaded into the Microsoft boot sequence prior to loading the linux. This is the segment of the operating system which counts down the memory, and configures the A:, C: and D: drives prior to loading the Microsoft windows. Although the machine did not display the familiar windows animation, it was obvious that the linux was freeloading off the back of this prior installation/boot sequence. The aforementioned demonstrator, upon further questioning, even admitted that 'Oh, That part is not the linux', and then went on to confuse the issue with technical jargon. However, one cannot mask a simple act of piracy with excessive verbosity. A fool and his lamb are worth 2 in the bush.
Now - I will admit after some further research, that the linux is not in fact a complete copy of Microsoft Windows. My research indicates that it is in fact a copy of Unix. I bet you didnt know that young man ? Yes, its a straight copy of Unix, even down to copying verbatim codefiles straight from the source of Unix. I believe there is a court case in progress regarding this latest discovery. The magnitude of the theft is now becoming apparent.
However, this remarkable fact may well uncover the answer to Ed Bott's mystery linux installation failure. You see, the Unix was designed to run within the VHF to UHF spectra (much like a radio), which is all well and good until you consider that modern computers run in the microwave range, at which regular radio reception starts to have serious issues. If one were to use a UHF receiver to tune in to a quad-phased broadcast in the Microwave spectra, one would fail miserably.
I would wager a bet that Ed Bott's computing apparatus was a more contemporary design utilizing a 3GHz central processor unit (or CPU). Under such frequencies, the linux would literally tear itself apart, its code lacking the internal cohesion to sustain this extreme environment. The Microsoft by comparison, is streamlined and engineered to withstand this Microwave environment, thanks no doubt to the forethought of its designers.
And of this there is ample evidence, which one can easily do an msn-search for and witness first hand. All of this evidence is on the public record, and cannot be denied.
Courts are there so that people do not resort to/other means/ for just ice.
Bullying libraries and others because you're not making enough (in your twisted world) short term money (hey guys, teaching kids to love books and reading means you have future customers) means you are a leech on society and you should be removed. Permanently.
The amount of pushback on stuff like this has nothing whatsoever with tinfoil and everything with some businesses attempting to foist needless complexity upon the consumer with no benefit to the consumer whatsoever.
All in the name of monetization.
Gawd, the spellcheck did not flag that bit of stupid business jargon as a "not-word."
Oh come on, how come you haven't bootstrapped your bootstrappy butt into becoming emperor?
The Randroids insist you can. They are really bootstrappy.
Why remain merely a lord?
Yes, I am poking fun. That's because the whole self-made-man is a myth and that our choices in life are limited to who and what we know, mostly who. Nobody got anywhere in the world by lifting himself by his own bootstraps, because it's figuratively and literally impossible.
That's right, just totally ignore the fact that Windows is a cost.
Come on, really.
>Non-windows PC
My bro found a thin client for about 100 bux at newegg or MicroCenter (for him, it's in-town) or something on sale with no OS. No disk either, but that was easily remedied. It was one of those small boxes the size of 4 cigarette packs.
Came with 4GB of RAM and a mobile 64 bit processor and Intel video processor. Threw mint on it. It flies.
>And if free will is an illusion, then there is no point having a conversation: all of our responses are predetermined, as is your retort and mine.
If absolute free will is not an illusion, how come you're not actually His Holiness Emperor Limecat of the Federated Nations of the Planet Earth By God's Grace?
All the world is contingency. You make do with what you have. It's true from everything from biology to society. Jared Diamond wrote extensively about it in "Guns Germs and Steel" and the theme runs through many of Stephen Jay Gould's work.
Excuse me, I am now going to go spin up the song "Born Never Asked" by Laurie Anderson, one of her more accessible songs.
Participation in a time zone is a state-by-state basis.
If you are in Indiana, there are a lot of people who feel the same way, and some parts of Indiana do not participate in DST, as you can see on maps of time zones of the US.
Get a bunch of your buddies to move your state to Central via referendum.
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Are you saying that this linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ? As in, without a boot disk, without any drivers, and without any services ?
That sounds preposterous to me.
If it were true (and I doubt it), then companies would be selling computers without a windows. This clearly is not happening, so there must be some error in your calculations. I hope you realise that windows is more than just Office ? Its a whole system that runs the computer from start to finish, and that is a very difficult thing to acheive. A lot of people dont realise this.
Microsoft just spent $9 billion and many years to create Vista, so it does not sound reasonable that some new alternative could just snap into existence overnight like that. It would take billions of dollars and a massive effort to achieve. IBM tried, and spent a huge amount of money developing OS/2 but could never keep up with Windows. Apple tried to create their own system for years, but finally gave up recently and moved to Intel and Microsoft.
Its just not possible that a freeware like the Linux could be extended to the point where it runs the entire computer fron start to finish, without using some of the more critical parts of windows. Not possible.
I think you need to re-examine your assumptions.
>Your troll would work much better at the Yahoo news forums
It worked on you.
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He's 14
And still in Middle School.
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"Das war ein Vorspiel nur, dort wo man Bucher verbrennt, verbrennt man auch am Ende Menschen."
"That was but a prelude; where they burn books, they will ultimately burn people also." - Heinrich Heine "Almansor" 1821
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I witnessed, first hand just the other day, a demonstration of a machine loading up the linux, and several points piqued my interest for sure.
Firstly, the machine loaded into the Microsoft boot sequence prior to loading the linux. This is the segment of the operating system which counts down the memory, and configures the A:, C: and D: drives prior to loading the Microsoft windows. Although the machine did not display the familiar windows animation, it was obvious that the linux was freeloading off the back of this prior installation/boot sequence. The aforementioned demonstrator, upon further questioning, even admitted that 'Oh, That part is not the linux', and then went on to confuse the issue with technical jargon. However, one cannot mask a simple act of piracy with excessive verbosity. A fool and his lamb are worth 2 in the bush.
Now - I will admit after some further research, that the linux is not in fact a complete copy of Microsoft Windows. My research indicates that it is in fact a copy of Unix. I bet you didnt know that young man ? Yes, its a straight copy of Unix, even down to copying verbatim codefiles straight from the source of Unix. I believe there is a court case in progress regarding this latest discovery. The magnitude of the theft is now becoming apparent.
However, this remarkable fact may well uncover the answer to Ed Bott's mystery linux installation failure. You see, the Unix was designed to run within the VHF to UHF spectra (much like a radio), which is all well and good until you consider that modern computers run in the microwave range, at which regular radio reception starts to have serious issues. If one were to use a UHF receiver to tune in to a quad-phased broadcast in the Microwave spectra, one would fail miserably.
I would wager a bet that Ed Bott's computing apparatus was a more contemporary design utilizing a 3GHz central processor unit (or CPU). Under such frequencies, the linux would literally tear itself apart, its code lacking the internal cohesion to sustain this extreme environment. The Microsoft by comparison, is streamlined and engineered to withstand this Microwave environment, thanks no doubt to the forethought of its designers.
And of this there is ample evidence, which one can easily do an msn-search for and witness first hand. All of this evidence is on the public record, and cannot be denied.
Conroy needs to die by having a rack of telecoms equipment fall on him.
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Eat a bag of dicks.
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These people are just evil.
Courts are there so that people do not resort to /other means/ for just ice.
Bullying libraries and others because you're not making enough (in your twisted world) short term money (hey guys, teaching kids to love books and reading means you have future customers) means you are a leech on society and you should be removed. Permanently.
I suggest it's time for /other means/
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The amount of pushback on stuff like this has nothing whatsoever with tinfoil and everything with some businesses attempting to foist needless complexity upon the consumer with no benefit to the consumer whatsoever.
All in the name of monetization.
Gawd, the spellcheck did not flag that bit of stupid business jargon as a "not-word."
jeg opgiv
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Saying business cards need to die reminds me of how 20 years ago I read articles about how paper would die by year 2000 because of computer exchange
If anything, computers made the creation of paper easy, and the amount of dead tree flung across an office has only exploded since then.
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Some of us never bothered to get an ATSC tuner since the switch to digital TV in 2009.
What's the point?
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Nope. Not enforceable.
Verizon got spanked for such terms in its contracts.
You cannot sign away your rights.
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Oh come on, how come you haven't bootstrapped your bootstrappy butt into becoming emperor?
The Randroids insist you can. They are really bootstrappy.
Why remain merely a lord?
Yes, I am poking fun. That's because the whole self-made-man is a myth and that our choices in life are limited to who and what we know, mostly who. Nobody got anywhere in the world by lifting himself by his own bootstraps, because it's figuratively and literally impossible.
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BMO
That's right, just totally ignore the fact that Windows is a cost.
Come on, really.
>Non-windows PC
My bro found a thin client for about 100 bux at newegg or MicroCenter (for him, it's in-town) or something on sale with no OS. No disk either, but that was easily remedied. It was one of those small boxes the size of 4 cigarette packs.
Came with 4GB of RAM and a mobile 64 bit processor and Intel video processor. Threw mint on it. It flies.
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No, it's a cost. Even if it's ten bucks, it's a cost.
If the adware could run on Linux and you removed Windows from the equation, the PC would be even cheaper to put together.
I really wish you idiots would stop arguing this point, because it's false.
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>And if free will is an illusion, then there is no point having a conversation: all of our responses are predetermined, as is your retort and mine.
If absolute free will is not an illusion, how come you're not actually His Holiness Emperor Limecat of the Federated Nations of the Planet Earth By God's Grace?
All the world is contingency. You make do with what you have. It's true from everything from biology to society. Jared Diamond wrote extensively about it in "Guns Germs and Steel" and the theme runs through many of Stephen Jay Gould's work.
Excuse me, I am now going to go spin up the song "Born Never Asked" by Laurie Anderson, one of her more accessible songs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5lrV487Fjg
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We already have that, by not focusing on rehabilitation.
Some people even commit crimes to go back into the institution because the system didn't provide them with any skills to re-integrate into society.
Most people on the "inside" do not have high school diplomas. A frightening number do not have the ability to read and write.
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But unless you offer the choice to rehabilitate, you get recidivism in spades.
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It's not the goal because nobody ever thinks of the long term effects of the system we have versus the system we could have.
And we, as a society, pay through the nose for it. If you think corrections costs too much, look in the mirror.
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When people like you show up on Fark, it makes it easy to hit the ignore button.
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You really don't know what's in Machinery's Handbook, do you?
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More useful in the Mad Max era would be Machinery's Handbook (one of the earlier editions without CNC) and maybe a set of Foxfire books.
Those, a slide rule, and a set of log trig tables, and you'd be all set.
It would be more portable too.
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Participation in a time zone is a state-by-state basis.
If you are in Indiana, there are a lot of people who feel the same way, and some parts of Indiana do not participate in DST, as you can see on maps of time zones of the US.
Get a bunch of your buddies to move your state to Central via referendum.
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>Kony 2012
Is that who you're voting for this November?
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Don't blame me - I voted for Kodos.