i have a crazy idea: why can't we condemn them both?
why can't you condemn the usa, AND condemn russia?
given that, with all of the vitriol some of you found to fling at washington dc in recent years, why can't you fling some of that now at moscow?
Psychologically? There are a number of reasons.
1. Americans - and, to an extent, the rest of the world - grew up being told that America is the home of freedom, the shining beacon of modern democracy. They also grew up being told that Russia was the antithesis of that; the evil genius sitting in his nuclear bunker, just waiting, waiting for the slightest oppertunity to set fire to some children. Russia gets less vitriol when it misbehaves because it's not as shocking - we've come to expect it from them. American misdeeds get all the flak, particularly from inside the USA, because it is so surprising. America, home of freedom, taking freedoms away is like a nun going on a shooting spree.
2. People tend to rage more at things they think they can change, and then find out they can't. It's an extremely frustrating experience. They know they can't change Russia, they don't have a vote in Russia. Maybe in Russia there are a lot of people like this guy, who hate the Russian government and fling no vitriol at the USA. Those people in the US who aim their vitriol at the US government and no others are likely extremely frustrated that they keep voting for the 'good' candidates, and everyone else keeps re-electing, in their mind, idiots. They're far more detached from the political process in Russia, so they don't care as much.
3. Put simply, perceived personal disenfranchisement is a much stronger trigger to anger than vague political disgust at something you saw on CNN.
Don't be too hard on the people who rally against the USA and give Russia a bye, they're just thinking selfishly. Yes, there are people out there that hate the USA just because it's the USA, and lots of Green Day listening teens that think George Bush is the new Hitler and nobody else could possibly be as bad, but the majority of them aren't being malicious, or even being particularly stupid - they're just not thinking things through.
I know you're trolling, but you're invoking a common right-wing argument that simply needs to be shot down, so I'm going to reply anyway.
Here's the thing: You, as non-Muslims, cannot stop radical Islam. That is not a threat, it is a statement of fact. You cannot stop radical Islam because one of the major arguments, if not _the_ major argument, that terrorist leaders use to recruit people into their organizations is how the West is evil and is out to destroy Islam. The old argument that every survivor of a US bomb attack in Iraq becomes a terrorist or a sympathiser has been surpassed, and now every Muslim who sees his people being shot, bombed and invaded every night by the US is going to become more and more open to the few loudmouth idiots that will tell him they're doing it because they hate Islam, because they want to wipe Islam off the planet. Every time the US kills one radical Muslim, it is likely to create maybe five more, and the number of them will grow as long as you keep feeding the arguments of the loudmouth idiots that recruit them.
Now, on the other hand, you _can_ stop your government being stupid. At least, with far less bloodshed. So vote out the bad apples, write long letters to the good ones, and if all else fails, yes, you may have to rise up against your government. You rose up against us and cast off an oppressive leadership, and I respect you immensely for it. You can vote them out, if you got off your arses and did something about it every now and then. You could gun them out if it came to it, with your massively armed citizenry and an army that I would hope still believes in the reasons the country was founded, and would side with the people. Do it. Now I'm not saying that looking down my nose because I'm British, and we've backed ourselves into a corner on this as well, but you're the country that broke away from us to 'gain their freedom' - the whole point of your country's existence is based on a dream of liberty and justice. Act like it.
They did use real fireworks. It was the US broadcast networks that did the CGI fireworks, as they didn't want their helicopters up there dodging millions of tiny sparkly missiles.
Actually, no it isn't. Unsolicited mail is spam, a mailing list you consciously signed up for isn't. Just because you're too lazy to properly unsubscribe and thus reach for the 'This Is Spam' button to make it disappear doesn't make it spam.
No he didn't, you fucking pedophile apologist. He said he had no plans to kidnap, molest or rape them. He said he can't control the urge to have sex with them. To his pedophile mind, having sex with them is not kidnapping/molesting/raping them. After all, children want it. That's how pedophiles work.
I should take your clinically qualified word on that, should I, Dr. McDutchie? Paedophiles are attracted to children as bestophiles are attracted to animals, vorophiles are attracted to being eaten, and you and I - assuming you are a straight male - are attracted to sexually mature women. (Not 'women who are 18+', because the primitive parts of your brain responsible for sexual desire have no way of knowing - you might consciously curtail your desires when you know an otherwise attractive girl to be 17 years and 364 days or younger, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't have them for exactly the same person if you lacked that information).
Contrary to popular opinion, paedophiles are not monsters, they are human beings, albeit human beings with some obviously unacceptable desires. They do, however, empathise. The - the vast majority - do not want to hurt children, and are mentally lucid enough even in a state of heightened arousal to tell that kidnap, molestation and rape are unacceptable, much like you or I know that just because that hot girl on the bus gave you semi, you shouldn't follow her off at her stop and drag her into the bushes. There is no 'paedophile psychosis' as you are trying to imply, only the occasional paedophile with psychotic or sociopathic tendencies. Or maybe some of them are just assholes. It certainly isn't all of them.
Your implication that children are able to "give proper consent" to having sex with adults is noted, pedophile apologist.
He implies nothing of the sort. His implication was that the 'half-decent paedophiles' to whom he was referring don't have sex with children precisely because children are unable to give proper consent.
You have a great taste in friends, pedophile apologist. Some of my best friends are victims of them.
The internet is full of people with extreme views, beliefs and tendencies. It's a human zoo, a veritable safari park of the weird, where you can see every imaginable form of personal oddity in it's natural habitat. If you are a user on many of the *chans, you will find people who are interested in, as other posters have mentioned, lolicon, which I believe is anime kiddie porn, and thus are people who would fall into your category of 'psychotic child rapists'. If you had a drinking buddy who was, quietly and discreetly, into watching lolicon, would you disown him? How about if he dressed up as his wife when you weren't around? What if he voted Republican?
Actually, it says "Possible spyware infection detected", and the rest is unreadable. I wouldn't doubt that that big red bar means it's pretty bad, though.
Too many in the US have this "gimmie something" attitude, not the attitude of "how I can be a better worker", or "how I can enhance my value to the company".
You must have to have a pretty empty life for those things to be the most important issues in it.
It's the principle of the thing - a BlackBerry is, more than anything else, a 'chain' to keep you within reach of the boss 24/7. If I'm on vacation, damn right I'm taking the chain off.
You've repeatedly called for him to be tortured. Even by the concept of black-and-white reciprocal justice, unless he tortured his wife before he killed her, you're over the line. If you've ever seen the suffering that goes into dying of AIDS, you will know how far over that line you are.
Your comments are irrational and based on emotion rather than a sense of justice or logic. This is why we have laws and courts in a system set out by people with cooler, more level heads.
Gandhi? "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"? We are not barbarians.
The punishment is the prison time, not rape, let along the long, drawn-out suffering that is an AIDS death. Yes he's a terrible person for having killed his wife, yes he should be punished and no the 15 years he's getting probably isn't enough for someone who can kill their wife and then calculatingly lie to the police and a jury about it for so long. That doesn't mean he deserves to be raped. At the very least it's mob justice, and the reason we have courts to hand out punishment instead.
The sick individuals gloating at the idea of anyone being raped are no better than the people they wish it upon.
In a sense, you are right. If I break the terms of service for your website, you should be perfectly entitled to boot me off that website and rightly deny me that service. Having me charged with a felony for not standing on my head and saying the alphabet backwards while using your website just because you have some boilerplate clickthrough TOS saying I can't access your site unless I'm standing on my head and saying the alphabet backwards is plain ridiculous.
Before y'all begin hootin' and hollerin', note that the person being charged is this Lori Drew who -- instead of talking to other parents and handling a problem as a mature responsible parent should -- helped drive a vulnerable little girl to suicide.
No. You keep in mind that the law and its precedents apply to all of us equally, regardless of your appeal to emotion. I don't care if she used the account to stomp puppies, using a fake name on MySpace should not by itself be a felony. Charge her with abuse, harrassment, endangering a minor, whatever, just don't start thinking it's a good idea to set such a worrying precedent just to "nail that evil bitch who killed that little girl". This could very easily turn around and bite you.
You can be arrested for being irrational now? Seems like the police should all arrest themselves. Do it right and you could have an unending line of cops all arresting each other behind you.
Can you farm? Could you take up the slack if Farmer Jones downs tools and goes to work in the big city because he's no longer being paid well enough to farm? No? Then shut the fuck up.
Farmers need to be paid good money to farm. Why? Because farming is difficult, labour-intensive work that requires being up from very early in the morning until, often, very late at night. It involves loneliness, isolation and working through hardships that you can either call in sick for (working with the sniffles), or are spared entirely (spending all day in all weathers outside). Without decent subsidies, a lot of farmers wouldn't bother - a 9-to-5 office job sure is a hell of a lot easier.
This is why what you call 'socialistic' farming subsidies are required - this is not something that the capitalist ideal of a free market can solve, because 'the market' cannot feed people. We need some incentive to keep those hard-working farmers farming, because if they didn't, we'd all be left with bare bellies and empty cupboards wondering what the fuck happened. Do you bitch when the police department are given raises, or the fire department get issued new equipment? If not, then shut up about the government paying for something which is just as important to the running of society.
If you're into sick warped twisted violent video games and you are an adult or have the blessing of your guardians (if you have any), go for it.
Who are you to imply that I'm 'sick', 'warped', 'twisted' or 'violent'? I own every single GTA game ever released and I've not so much as been in a fist-fight since school. Don't try to tell me that what takes place in a video game has any bearing at all on a persons real-life actions and desires.
there are multiple versions of the Ksma Sutra in the house and some books on Renaissance Art
Since you are familiar with Renaissance art, you are doubtless familiar with the work of Hieronymus Bosch, particularly The Garden of Earthly Delights and The Haywain Triptych, both of which feature more torture, death, and hideous brutality than anything Grand Theft Auto has ever mustered. Is that acceptable for your children just because it's 'art'? What makes your artistic medium of choice intrinsically better than mine?
I understand your position of not wanting to expose your children to Grand Theft Auto - that's why it's 18+ rated and should stay that way - but branding it 'sick' without further explanation is over the line.
Nowhere in any doctrine/manual/classroom/training exercise does it state the best reaction to an IED ambush is to start shooting blindly at non-combatants.
So soldiers don't always blinkeredly follow orders regardless of what they may be, and do in fact have very human reactions to stressful events such as being bombed? Sounds like you just shot your own argument in the foot.
And what happens when someone uses one of those laptops to hijack a plain or blow up a train? What are they going to do, hit the pilot with it? Turn it on, see if it boots (ie. is not a bomb) then switch it off. You have no reason to be delving further.
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i have a crazy idea: why can't we condemn them both? why can't you condemn the usa, AND condemn russia? given that, with all of the vitriol some of you found to fling at washington dc in recent years, why can't you fling some of that now at moscow?
Psychologically? There are a number of reasons.
1. Americans - and, to an extent, the rest of the world - grew up being told that America is the home of freedom, the shining beacon of modern democracy. They also grew up being told that Russia was the antithesis of that; the evil genius sitting in his nuclear bunker, just waiting, waiting for the slightest oppertunity to set fire to some children. Russia gets less vitriol when it misbehaves because it's not as shocking - we've come to expect it from them. American misdeeds get all the flak, particularly from inside the USA, because it is so surprising. America, home of freedom, taking freedoms away is like a nun going on a shooting spree.
2. People tend to rage more at things they think they can change, and then find out they can't. It's an extremely frustrating experience. They know they can't change Russia, they don't have a vote in Russia. Maybe in Russia there are a lot of people like this guy, who hate the Russian government and fling no vitriol at the USA. Those people in the US who aim their vitriol at the US government and no others are likely extremely frustrated that they keep voting for the 'good' candidates, and everyone else keeps re-electing, in their mind, idiots. They're far more detached from the political process in Russia, so they don't care as much.
3. Put simply, perceived personal disenfranchisement is a much stronger trigger to anger than vague political disgust at something you saw on CNN.
Don't be too hard on the people who rally against the USA and give Russia a bye, they're just thinking selfishly. Yes, there are people out there that hate the USA just because it's the USA, and lots of Green Day listening teens that think George Bush is the new Hitler and nobody else could possibly be as bad, but the majority of them aren't being malicious, or even being particularly stupid - they're just not thinking things through.
So now you know.
I know you're trolling, but you're invoking a common right-wing argument that simply needs to be shot down, so I'm going to reply anyway.
Here's the thing: You, as non-Muslims, cannot stop radical Islam. That is not a threat, it is a statement of fact. You cannot stop radical Islam because one of the major arguments, if not _the_ major argument, that terrorist leaders use to recruit people into their organizations is how the West is evil and is out to destroy Islam. The old argument that every survivor of a US bomb attack in Iraq becomes a terrorist or a sympathiser has been surpassed, and now every Muslim who sees his people being shot, bombed and invaded every night by the US is going to become more and more open to the few loudmouth idiots that will tell him they're doing it because they hate Islam, because they want to wipe Islam off the planet. Every time the US kills one radical Muslim, it is likely to create maybe five more, and the number of them will grow as long as you keep feeding the arguments of the loudmouth idiots that recruit them.
Now, on the other hand, you _can_ stop your government being stupid. At least, with far less bloodshed. So vote out the bad apples, write long letters to the good ones, and if all else fails, yes, you may have to rise up against your government. You rose up against us and cast off an oppressive leadership, and I respect you immensely for it. You can vote them out, if you got off your arses and did something about it every now and then. You could gun them out if it came to it, with your massively armed citizenry and an army that I would hope still believes in the reasons the country was founded, and would side with the people. Do it. Now I'm not saying that looking down my nose because I'm British, and we've backed ourselves into a corner on this as well, but you're the country that broke away from us to 'gain their freedom' - the whole point of your country's existence is based on a dream of liberty and justice. Act like it.
They did use real fireworks. It was the US broadcast networks that did the CGI fireworks, as they didn't want their helicopters up there dodging millions of tiny sparkly missiles.
Bulk mail is still spam, even if it's "wanted"
Actually, no it isn't. Unsolicited mail is spam, a mailing list you consciously signed up for isn't. Just because you're too lazy to properly unsubscribe and thus reach for the 'This Is Spam' button to make it disappear doesn't make it spam.
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No he didn't, you fucking pedophile apologist. He said he had no plans to kidnap, molest or rape them. He said he can't control the urge to have sex with them. To his pedophile mind, having sex with them is not kidnapping/molesting/raping them. After all, children want it. That's how pedophiles work.
I should take your clinically qualified word on that, should I, Dr. McDutchie? Paedophiles are attracted to children as bestophiles are attracted to animals, vorophiles are attracted to being eaten, and you and I - assuming you are a straight male - are attracted to sexually mature women. (Not 'women who are 18+', because the primitive parts of your brain responsible for sexual desire have no way of knowing - you might consciously curtail your desires when you know an otherwise attractive girl to be 17 years and 364 days or younger, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't have them for exactly the same person if you lacked that information). Contrary to popular opinion, paedophiles are not monsters, they are human beings, albeit human beings with some obviously unacceptable desires. They do, however, empathise. The - the vast majority - do not want to hurt children, and are mentally lucid enough even in a state of heightened arousal to tell that kidnap, molestation and rape are unacceptable, much like you or I know that just because that hot girl on the bus gave you semi, you shouldn't follow her off at her stop and drag her into the bushes. There is no 'paedophile psychosis' as you are trying to imply, only the occasional paedophile with psychotic or sociopathic tendencies. Or maybe some of them are just assholes. It certainly isn't all of them.
Your implication that children are able to "give proper consent" to having sex with adults is noted, pedophile apologist.
He implies nothing of the sort. His implication was that the 'half-decent paedophiles' to whom he was referring don't have sex with children precisely because children are unable to give proper consent.
You have a great taste in friends, pedophile apologist. Some of my best friends are victims of them.
The internet is full of people with extreme views, beliefs and tendencies. It's a human zoo, a veritable safari park of the weird, where you can see every imaginable form of personal oddity in it's natural habitat. If you are a user on many of the *chans, you will find people who are interested in, as other posters have mentioned, lolicon, which I believe is anime kiddie porn, and thus are people who would fall into your category of 'psychotic child rapists'. If you had a drinking buddy who was, quietly and discreetly, into watching lolicon, would you disown him? How about if he dressed up as his wife when you weren't around? What if he voted Republican?
Hello Jack, no game news today?
Actually, it says "Possible spyware infection detected", and the rest is unreadable. I wouldn't doubt that that big red bar means it's pretty bad, though.
Too many in the US have this "gimmie something" attitude, not the attitude of "how I can be a better worker", or "how I can enhance my value to the company".
You must have to have a pretty empty life for those things to be the most important issues in it.
It's the principle of the thing - a BlackBerry is, more than anything else, a 'chain' to keep you within reach of the boss 24/7. If I'm on vacation, damn right I'm taking the chain off.
No. Rapists, once caught, deserve - and get - prison. Your argument suggests that only freelance rape is bad, and government-endorsed rape is A-OK.
Your comments are irrational and based on emotion rather than a sense of justice or logic. This is why we have laws and courts in a system set out by people with cooler, more level heads.
Why doesn't he deserve that?
Gandhi? "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"? We are not barbarians.
The punishment is the prison time, not rape, let along the long, drawn-out suffering that is an AIDS death. Yes he's a terrible person for having killed his wife, yes he should be punished and no the 15 years he's getting probably isn't enough for someone who can kill their wife and then calculatingly lie to the police and a jury about it for so long. That doesn't mean he deserves to be raped. At the very least it's mob justice, and the reason we have courts to hand out punishment instead.
The sick individuals gloating at the idea of anyone being raped are no better than the people they wish it upon.
You're an ass, nobody deserves that. I know you're a troll, but you're also sadly indicative of a lot of people's attitudes towards prison rape.
In a sense, you are right. If I break the terms of service for your website, you should be perfectly entitled to boot me off that website and rightly deny me that service. Having me charged with a felony for not standing on my head and saying the alphabet backwards while using your website just because you have some boilerplate clickthrough TOS saying I can't access your site unless I'm standing on my head and saying the alphabet backwards is plain ridiculous.
Before y'all begin hootin' and hollerin', note that the person being charged is this Lori Drew who -- instead of talking to other parents and handling a problem as a mature responsible parent should -- helped drive a vulnerable little girl to suicide.
No. You keep in mind that the law and its precedents apply to all of us equally, regardless of your appeal to emotion. I don't care if she used the account to stomp puppies, using a fake name on MySpace should not by itself be a felony. Charge her with abuse, harrassment, endangering a minor, whatever, just don't start thinking it's a good idea to set such a worrying precedent just to "nail that evil bitch who killed that little girl". This could very easily turn around and bite you.
What?? Why should I have to type out arcane commands just to get basic functionality??
If the answer to everything on Windows continues to start with "Just drop to a terminal...", it will /never/ be ready for the desktop!
You can be arrested for being irrational now? Seems like the police should all arrest themselves. Do it right and you could have an unending line of cops all arresting each other behind you.
"Somewhere on this globe, every ten seconds, there is a woman giving birth to a child. She must be found and stopped." - Sam Levenson.
Can you farm? Could you take up the slack if Farmer Jones downs tools and goes to work in the big city because he's no longer being paid well enough to farm? No? Then shut the fuck up.
Farmers need to be paid good money to farm. Why? Because farming is difficult, labour-intensive work that requires being up from very early in the morning until, often, very late at night. It involves loneliness, isolation and working through hardships that you can either call in sick for (working with the sniffles), or are spared entirely (spending all day in all weathers outside). Without decent subsidies, a lot of farmers wouldn't bother - a 9-to-5 office job sure is a hell of a lot easier.
This is why what you call 'socialistic' farming subsidies are required - this is not something that the capitalist ideal of a free market can solve, because 'the market' cannot feed people. We need some incentive to keep those hard-working farmers farming, because if they didn't, we'd all be left with bare bellies and empty cupboards wondering what the fuck happened. Do you bitch when the police department are given raises, or the fire department get issued new equipment? If not, then shut up about the government paying for something which is just as important to the running of society.
Are you some sort of fucking idiot? He's clearly got a monitor, he wrote the freakin' post!
If you're into sick warped twisted violent video games and you are an adult or have the blessing of your guardians (if you have any), go for it.
Who are you to imply that I'm 'sick', 'warped', 'twisted' or 'violent'? I own every single GTA game ever released and I've not so much as been in a fist-fight since school. Don't try to tell me that what takes place in a video game has any bearing at all on a persons real-life actions and desires.
there are multiple versions of the Ksma Sutra in the house and some books on Renaissance Art
Since you are familiar with Renaissance art, you are doubtless familiar with the work of Hieronymus Bosch, particularly The Garden of Earthly Delights and The Haywain Triptych, both of which feature more torture, death, and hideous brutality than anything Grand Theft Auto has ever mustered. Is that acceptable for your children just because it's 'art'? What makes your artistic medium of choice intrinsically better than mine?
I understand your position of not wanting to expose your children to Grand Theft Auto - that's why it's 18+ rated and should stay that way - but branding it 'sick' without further explanation is over the line.
- Elias.
Having lines of communication could also provide a way of verifying the contents of packages.
What's the MD5 hash on a pallet of bananas?
Nowhere in any doctrine/manual/classroom/training exercise does it state the best reaction to an IED ambush is to start shooting blindly at non-combatants.
So soldiers don't always blinkeredly follow orders regardless of what they may be, and do in fact have very human reactions to stressful events such as being bombed ? Sounds like you just shot your own argument in the foot.