That might be enough. Make sure you log roller set perms to read only, and never delete. That should get you odd the hook quickly. Follow up with checking the logs into subversion, at least on a nightly bases, or every 60 seconds if you are like me. It also doesn't hurt to log to syslog host that nobody has network access to.
Look at how voters/tax payers/citizens work seamlessly with business and government is put the US on the map as #1?
No? I don't see it either.
Is everyone in the US so lame that they would fight over a buck to hard that they would allow the nation to return to it's no so long ago status as a third world nation?
Since the highest level of government is the voters, I can only say "What's wrong with you people!?"
I sure hope there's a cream for this problem. Vote, write letter, run for office, get involved, or sit on your ass and tax taxes to less lazy people.
Now we can go forward with charges for each time a company does not repair a coin operated machine, and makes a profit from doing so.
My old land lord knew his coin-op washer was make more money than it should due to it's little problem. He could be a criminal if he collected enough money! Yippie!
So when you lose money on that pay phone, coin-op washer, video game, and so on, alter the owner and check next week. If it's still not fixed call your own foaming at the mouth DA.
Seriously, these places make money off of people based on machines that pay out less than they take in. Now their upset because one machine out of 10,000 for a little gave out more than it took in. When I was 12 I found a Pac-Man machine that would return my 25 cents to me each time I put it in. Soon there was 100 credits on the machine. I sure did not have criminal intent...well no more than anyone else at 12.
On an unrelated not the GOP has endorsed the slot machine company for the next election's voting machines!:)
I person might based their entire business on a billboard on my property. If I choose to remove that billboard then that is my choice. The person who was renting space for it should really find a different location. Before you attack my analogy, think, then I assume you will attack. The ides is just what this person was referring to. Can you be told what to resell something for when you are not party to any agreement with the product originator? That is all. What you bring up is window dressing for the issue at hand.
If you have not entered into a contract they should not be able to tell you what to do with what you own. That is my simple view. I'm sure that anyone can claim that hurts orphans, small business, and tiny cute ferrets, but they might have a point. That point is not going to be enough to restrict people freedoms in my opinion. And that's all it is, because we all know a place where the law does not matter...The Supreme Court!
Can't wait until we're all told not to sell our used cars for less than the dealer sells new ones. That is going to be so much fun!
Don Imus said some bad things. He went off the air. People but him off at the source, the money. They targeted his sponsors.
These companies will get away with this crapped mistreatment of people who are seeming well within their common sense rights. I'm a simple man who understands that when I purchase a part for my car that I own it. Sometimes I get the wrong part and I sell it, maybe at a loss. I just don't need the clutter. In this case we see someone who has discovered a pricing advantage and a company with a flawed view of the world. They could have struck a deal with this guy, maybe even offered him a job. They could have fixed their screwup, but like complete morons drunk on the owners money, they have launch a PR salvo to let the world know they're assholes. Good job!
Hey, when I purchase something I own it. I'll do as I please with it. I know why my rights are restricted, I'll have signed an agreement. This quantum control method seems about as effective as the war in Iraq. Not very. These companies can either find the way to profit from this situation or act like my 3 year old when he does not get his way. Actually my son is more mature about such things. When he hands me a Thomas train he does not invoke the DCMA when I pass it off to my other son. It he was a company he'd be a rare item.
But then there is the public. They don't go to the best companies. Companies with a spine and a moral center. Yes, I said m-o-r-a-l. And I'm thinking "character", which might be more rare. Look at Snapper Mowers. Or the way Sears was with it Craftsman tools. Just because the company will always do right does not mean you will buy from them. And even if they are evil like Amazon and it's 1-Click, I bet you still use them. Companies are only assholes when you want to reward asshole-ish-ness with money. Money might be the only vote you get in this life. Over your lifetime you are going to have millions of dollars pass through your hands. The biggest change you can make to the globe will be how you spend it. Intelligently, stupidly, good, or evil, it's all up to you. And if you only base your buying on price, then you have picked evil above all else.
Good luck, and be aware that we out number the people who would invoke the DCMA for such stupid reasons. So, do something, or just sit there.
Voting? This is why voters in the USA need a good lesson in government. Voting is only the ability to hire/fire. You also need to work harder than that. Be in constant contact with your political reps and other local bodies. Show you care. Have you been to a town meeting lately? Did you write a letter explaining you view on issues lately? You need to take action. Wake people up. It's hippies can do it in the 60's without the internet, I assume it should be a great deal easier now.
I've read so many great comments. Sorry, if I missed one or two, but there were all wonderful.
But there were wrong, and their findings might be somewhat misplaced.
Sure Libby lied, he also did some other bad things. He's not a nice man, and can't be doing his job. Also, you might tell us about abuse of the pardon power...
That is all dandy, and all, but...
It's your fault. Yes, you, if you can vote in the USA. You did this. You allow it to continue. You broke it, now you fix it. Go on.
Fuel tax is a road tax. Bio-fuels burn cleaner and reduce the dependence on foreign source of fuel. This is a case of recycling also. Just as most states do with solar electric cars or hybrid cars, they normally turn a blind eye, since it's not a big problem yet. These cars are about what? One in the million? Right now we want to increase that number.
This is a clear case of someone being an asshole. It happens. But now you can do something about it. Please give generously to the Asshole Saving Society. We can help. With our special treatment of public humiliation and constant public pressure we might be able to cure this asshole, and with your money many others. We host a number of interventions all around the country and have a permanent office in the capitol where we work around the clock. IF we can't help this asshole nobody can.
Today I will start be writing letters, making calls, and noting who should have one more reason not to get my vote. Everyone you have voted for has raised our taxes, even if you voted for nobody.
I do have an idea for a sf.net type site that will host lobbying projects by groups on the net. I think the more people get involved the less likely we'll see outrageous taxes. I reserve the right be the wrong, though.
Dude, you are double taxes all the time. Why is this different? Do you think this is a special case?
Take that not-so-attractive outfit you have on. When it entered the US from the slave labor camps, from wherever, it was marked up 100-1000%(tax). Then you earned money to buy it, which is taxes. When you do buy it, you might pay sales tax on it(which the store it taxes on, except the expenses like employees who are also taxed). You'd better prey that while you sleep tonight that you don't wake up to a "waking up in the morning tax" sucker...err citizen.
So you can be taxed a few times on a single item, or multiple times on multiple items. Try to understand taxes and what they are on and all that is just the details. You voted for people who are driven to separate you from your money. Much the same goal and business, which is often competing for those same dollars. And sometimes government and big business team up with that common goal, so watch out.
If you voted you caused this. If you didn't vote you've earn this.
The money will be used based on the needs of the congress to allow them to get re-elected, no matter the stated purpose of the tax. It might be a tax on dogs with the money used to catch stays, but don't fool yourself. A tax is a tax. Once they have your money they'll do whatever they want with it.
Once again your bluff is being called.
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Internet Tax Imminent?
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You'll vote them out of office. You'll write a letter. You'll run for office. But than again you realize you are too lazy to do all that. It's hard. You've failed, again.
Sure you work hard, and then bury yourself in work so you wont have to think about it. You, American voters, would even allow them to tax your income without a fight. Once, long ago, you had a spine and got upset about a 3% increase in the tax of tea, based on how the money was going to be used. Now you allow yourselves to be taxed at an insane level that nullifies the concept of liberty almost completely, seeing as you are a slave for almost half a year to taxes. Liberty or death? That's a good deal of both.
Please wake up all you smart computer people. Why is it the collective forces of the internet can create amazing projects such as software, operating systems, and the odd Groklaw, but has yet to create a great project for "hacking", tweaking, and tuning government via an organized effort of lobbying, letter writing, and education?
Come on. You sit there and allow someone to take almost six months of your life per year with only the smallest whimper? If that's the case almost nothing will gain your outrage.
Once again your bluff is being called. What are you going to do about it?
There is management of the NJTA that has identified themselves as needing to be replaced. Assuming that this goes on for a long time with a state agency acting like this, there is now a governer that has identified himself has needing to be replaced. Go Team Voters!
If they wish to sue, let 'em. What damages can they claim? In court they'll only find just enough rope for a self-hangus type of defense.
Read about the story? Hate the DCMA? Fumming ineffectively at home between commercials? Don't. Tell someone who cares that you wont vote for them, like a local politico.
...income tax was voted in, and NEVER voted out, I don't see taxes not happening. I'll fight it and we all should. But don't allow the Coke and Pepsi parties to point fingers and distract you. Putting any political animal in charge of any taxes is like handing control of the local CVS(drug store) to the local drug addict. Dillinger once was asked why he robbed banks. "Because that's where the money's at." Smart man. If he had been in politics he'd have gone far.
When someone spends $40,000,000 on a $400,000 a year job, you can assume they have been corrupted. Watch them like a hawk. Always.
Unless you write your congressman about issues you are damned to be a slave with someone else calling shots and filling the vacuum. Like a drunk drive you take those around down with you. The rather cheap price of freedom is having to forever letting your representatives know what you want. It's about turning off the TV or pausing your work on that perfect operating system, yes I'm talking to you Linus, and write them. We must be have enough people to make a difference. You can't really complain if you allow these things to come to pass. That is dishonest. The fight for freedom never ends, it's your job, so get out there and fight. If you don't fight you have just shown your complete support for having the RIAA and MPAA, and many other control you. Freedom or not. It's an easy choice for me, freedom. Slavery is an easy choice also. It you think you are free and not a slave, check your tax return. Money is time, for most people. If you work for money then you are really working for those that benefit from taxes. For some it's 40% of their time. Write a little to you rep. Since you have donated more of your life to tax than anything else, why have that money spend in a way that you disagree with.
Slashdot is 10% solutions and 90% complaint, it seems. That's good. Now let switch those number around. Get active, vote, write a little a week, keep up with the issues, run for office, keep them honest, and don't let us down.
PS: Politically active people get the super models. Did I mention that?
The dumbest thing... since you've been at Misrosoft?? Okay, and I guess the guys that pushed for MS Bob and Clippy also went through this process. Wow my stuff must really stink. Okay Billg, let me know how this product would could be at least that good. hahahahahahaha
At some point common sense must take the stage. These people are...ummm... people and they must use the judgment skill they posses.
Having said that, it should said that if their skills are not good enough for their jobs they should be fired, and in this case sued. People use school map all the time in first person shooter games, and in text adventure games. In 1983 I, and others, used a school as the setting for an adventure game. On of the goals in the game was the poison a teacher and get his floppy disks. It was Zork-ish. The teacher who was the subject of the poison pizza in the game laughed his ass off. Building the game to spec was the finial. In this case it was one teacher teasing an other teacher, using students in scheme. They we're and are good friends. And even though I wrote an adventure game where he was killed many times, he hired my at my first computer job, and the next, and next.
I cannot image how moronic these so called educators are. Educators, mind you. Sure you need to keep an eye out with the amount of hopelessness that seems to have gripped some students driving them to kill. I had much worse than a hammer in my room. I used to build minibike in Jr High. You might even have found welding equipment in my room. A hammer sure would have been the least of the items in my room, as it might have been second to the pillow.
I don't know what people do in a situation like this, but pressure needs to be put on this stupid people and their stupidity. Which is what it needs to be called. You can't just do something like this and say the ever idiotic line "Mistakes were made." Nope. It was more akin to a fuck up. And, if you can never say "I f**ked up." in your life, you are pure ego and need to grow up. We all f**k up, then we move on.
So what can we do? I don't want to just see problems posted on/. We also need answers. Let's hear them.
I hope we'll all stop it soon.
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Censoring a Number
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· Score: 5, Insightful
Time to get out and use the old pen to write a nice little letter to my congress critter.
I'm all for someone using their rights to protect what is their's. Not a problem, but when it dictates what they can do with the things they own, and speech, I think it has crossed a line I'd rather it not cross.
Some say Americans just take the abuse and can't see what the big deal is, unless it might cause re-runs of Friends to be pulled. Some people say Americans are sheep and will go where a select class of people point for them to go. I have sometimes seen these rights dry up a little when not constantly defended, and I start to think American's are lemmings, not sheep.
I guess I'm just as guilty as everyone else. I'm no fool. I can see I'm like that also, but I'm trying really hard to be different.
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Could he hire anyone to break any system at all? Yes. Your point it a good one, but still almost moot.
chmod 0000 logfile
chmod 0200 logfile
Start syslog
chmod 0004 logfile
That might be enough. Make sure you log roller set perms to read only, and never delete. That should get you odd the hook quickly. Follow up with checking the logs into subversion, at least on a nightly bases, or every 60 seconds if you are like me. It also doesn't hurt to log to syslog host that nobody has network access to.
Enjoy.
...who admits that his mind is numb?
Look at how voters/tax payers/citizens work seamlessly with business and government is put the US on the map as #1?
No? I don't see it either.
Is everyone in the US so lame that they would fight over a buck to hard that they would allow the nation to return to it's no so long ago status as a third world nation?
Since the highest level of government is the voters, I can only say "What's wrong with you people!?"
I sure hope there's a cream for this problem. Vote, write letter, run for office, get involved, or sit on your ass and tax taxes to less lazy people.
This one was set past stun and kill. It was set it GW! Nothing can lose money that fast, but it was close.
Now we can go forward with charges for each time a company does not repair a coin operated machine, and makes a profit from doing so.
:)
My old land lord knew his coin-op washer was make more money than it should due to it's little problem. He could be a criminal if he collected enough money! Yippie!
So when you lose money on that pay phone, coin-op washer, video game, and so on, alter the owner and check next week. If it's still not fixed call your own foaming at the mouth DA.
Seriously, these places make money off of people based on machines that pay out less than they take in. Now their upset because one machine out of 10,000 for a little gave out more than it took in. When I was 12 I found a Pac-Man machine that would return my 25 cents to me each time I put it in. Soon there was 100 credits on the machine. I sure did not have criminal intent...well no more than anyone else at 12.
On an unrelated not the GOP has endorsed the slot machine company for the next election's voting machines!
I person might based their entire business on a billboard on my property. If I choose to remove that billboard then that is my choice. The person who was renting space for it should really find a different location. Before you attack my analogy, think, then I assume you will attack. The ides is just what this person was referring to. Can you be told what to resell something for when you are not party to any agreement with the product originator? That is all. What you bring up is window dressing for the issue at hand.
If you have not entered into a contract they should not be able to tell you what to do with what you own. That is my simple view. I'm sure that anyone can claim that hurts orphans, small business, and tiny cute ferrets, but they might have a point. That point is not going to be enough to restrict people freedoms in my opinion. And that's all it is, because we all know a place where the law does not matter...The Supreme Court!
Can't wait until we're all told not to sell our used cars for less than the dealer sells new ones. That is going to be so much fun!
Don Imus said some bad things. He went off the air. People but him off at the source, the money. They targeted his sponsors.
These companies will get away with this crapped mistreatment of people who are seeming well within their common sense rights. I'm a simple man who understands that when I purchase a part for my car that I own it. Sometimes I get the wrong part and I sell it, maybe at a loss. I just don't need the clutter. In this case we see someone who has discovered a pricing advantage and a company with a flawed view of the world. They could have struck a deal with this guy, maybe even offered him a job. They could have fixed their screwup, but like complete morons drunk on the owners money, they have launch a PR salvo to let the world know they're assholes. Good job!
Hey, when I purchase something I own it. I'll do as I please with it. I know why my rights are restricted, I'll have signed an agreement. This quantum control method seems about as effective as the war in Iraq. Not very. These companies can either find the way to profit from this situation or act like my 3 year old when he does not get his way. Actually my son is more mature about such things. When he hands me a Thomas train he does not invoke the DCMA when I pass it off to my other son. It he was a company he'd be a rare item.
But then there is the public. They don't go to the best companies. Companies with a spine and a moral center. Yes, I said m-o-r-a-l. And I'm thinking "character", which might be more rare. Look at Snapper Mowers. Or the way Sears was with it Craftsman tools. Just because the company will always do right does not mean you will buy from them. And even if they are evil like Amazon and it's 1-Click, I bet you still use them. Companies are only assholes when you want to reward asshole-ish-ness with money. Money might be the only vote you get in this life. Over your lifetime you are going to have millions of dollars pass through your hands. The biggest change you can make to the globe will be how you spend it. Intelligently, stupidly, good, or evil, it's all up to you. And if you only base your buying on price, then you have picked evil above all else.
Good luck, and be aware that we out number the people who would invoke the DCMA for such stupid reasons. So, do something, or just sit there.
Voting? This is why voters in the USA need a good lesson in government. Voting is only the ability to hire/fire. You also need to work harder than that. Be in constant contact with your political reps and other local bodies. Show you care. Have you been to a town meeting lately? Did you write a letter explaining you view on issues lately? You need to take action. Wake people up. It's hippies can do it in the 60's without the internet, I assume it should be a great deal easier now.
I've read so many great comments. Sorry, if I missed one or two, but there were all wonderful.
But there were wrong, and their findings might be somewhat misplaced.
Sure Libby lied, he also did some other bad things. He's not a nice man, and can't be doing his job. Also, you might tell us about abuse of the pardon power...
That is all dandy, and all, but...
It's your fault. Yes, you, if you can vote in the USA. You did this. You allow it to continue. You broke it, now you fix it. Go on.
Fuel tax is a road tax. Bio-fuels burn cleaner and reduce the dependence on foreign source of fuel. This is a case of recycling also. Just as most states do with solar electric cars or hybrid cars, they normally turn a blind eye, since it's not a big problem yet. These cars are about what? One in the million? Right now we want to increase that number.
This is a clear case of someone being an asshole. It happens. But now you can do something about it. Please give generously to the Asshole Saving Society. We can help. With our special treatment of public humiliation and constant public pressure we might be able to cure this asshole, and with your money many others. We host a number of interventions all around the country and have a permanent office in the capitol where we work around the clock. IF we can't help this asshole nobody can.
Like New York or Los Angeles. Period. Would you allow you kid to wander alone through those cities?
The Internet might only work for people over the age of 18.
But than again, maybe our reps have other priorities. Reality and law is often only an illusion. Intelligence from an Congressperson is and illusion.
Today I will start be writing letters, making calls, and noting who should have one more reason not to get my vote. Everyone you have voted for has raised our taxes, even if you voted for nobody.
I do have an idea for a sf.net type site that will host lobbying projects by groups on the net. I think the more people get involved the less likely we'll see outrageous taxes. I reserve the right be the wrong, though.
People are sheep, they'll take whatever they're told to take.
Americans are lemmings and will jump from where they're told to jump.
Long gone are the days when American's wanted Liberty. Now it's safety. They scream "How much money can I give to feel safe again?"
Dude, you are double taxes all the time. Why is this different? Do you think this is a special case?
Take that not-so-attractive outfit you have on. When it entered the US from the slave labor camps, from wherever, it was marked up 100-1000%(tax). Then you earned money to buy it, which is taxes. When you do buy it, you might pay sales tax on it(which the store it taxes on, except the expenses like employees who are also taxed). You'd better prey that while you sleep tonight that you don't wake up to a "waking up in the morning tax" sucker...err citizen.
So you can be taxed a few times on a single item, or multiple times on multiple items. Try to understand taxes and what they are on and all that is just the details. You voted for people who are driven to separate you from your money. Much the same goal and business, which is often competing for those same dollars. And sometimes government and big business team up with that common goal, so watch out.
If you voted you caused this. If you didn't vote you've earn this.
The money will be used based on the needs of the congress to allow them to get re-elected, no matter the stated purpose of the tax. It might be a tax on dogs with the money used to catch stays, but don't fool yourself. A tax is a tax. Once they have your money they'll do whatever they want with it.
You'll vote them out of office. You'll write a letter. You'll run for office. But than again you realize you are too lazy to do all that. It's hard. You've failed, again.
Sure you work hard, and then bury yourself in work so you wont have to think about it. You, American voters, would even allow them to tax your income without a fight. Once, long ago, you had a spine and got upset about a 3% increase in the tax of tea, based on how the money was going to be used. Now you allow yourselves to be taxed at an insane level that nullifies the concept of liberty almost completely, seeing as you are a slave for almost half a year to taxes. Liberty or death? That's a good deal of both.
Please wake up all you smart computer people. Why is it the collective forces of the internet can create amazing projects such as software, operating systems, and the odd Groklaw, but has yet to create a great project for "hacking", tweaking, and tuning government via an organized effort of lobbying, letter writing, and education?
Come on. You sit there and allow someone to take almost six months of your life per year with only the smallest whimper? If that's the case almost nothing will gain your outrage.
Once again your bluff is being called. What are you going to do about it?
There is management of the NJTA that has identified themselves as needing to be replaced. Assuming that this goes on for a long time with a state agency acting like this, there is now a governer that has identified himself has needing to be replaced. Go Team Voters!
If they wish to sue, let 'em. What damages can they claim? In court they'll only find just enough rope for a self-hangus type of defense.
Read about the story? Hate the DCMA? Fumming ineffectively at home between commercials? Don't. Tell someone who cares that you wont vote for them, like a local politico.
...income tax was voted in, and NEVER voted out, I don't see taxes not happening. I'll fight it and we all should. But don't allow the Coke and Pepsi parties to point fingers and distract you. Putting any political animal in charge of any taxes is like handing control of the local CVS(drug store) to the local drug addict. Dillinger once was asked why he robbed banks. "Because that's where the money's at." Smart man. If he had been in politics he'd have gone far.
When someone spends $40,000,000 on a $400,000 a year job, you can assume they have been corrupted. Watch them like a hawk. Always.
Unless you write your congressman about issues you are damned to be a slave with someone else calling shots and filling the vacuum. Like a drunk drive you take those around down with you. The rather cheap price of freedom is having to forever letting your representatives know what you want. It's about turning off the TV or pausing your work on that perfect operating system, yes I'm talking to you Linus, and write them. We must be have enough people to make a difference. You can't really complain if you allow these things to come to pass. That is dishonest. The fight for freedom never ends, it's your job, so get out there and fight. If you don't fight you have just shown your complete support for having the RIAA and MPAA, and many other control you. Freedom or not. It's an easy choice for me, freedom. Slavery is an easy choice also. It you think you are free and not a slave, check your tax return. Money is time, for most people. If you work for money then you are really working for those that benefit from taxes. For some it's 40% of their time. Write a little to you rep. Since you have donated more of your life to tax than anything else, why have that money spend in a way that you disagree with.
Slashdot is 10% solutions and 90% complaint, it seems. That's good. Now let switch those number around. Get active, vote, write a little a week, keep up with the issues, run for office, keep them honest, and don't let us down.
PS: Politically active people get the super models. Did I mention that?
The political parties are not the problem. The poor zombies that follow their party mindlessly are at fault.
The dumbest thing ... since you've been at Misrosoft?? Okay, and I guess the guys that pushed for MS Bob and Clippy also went through this process. Wow my stuff must really stink. Okay Billg, let me know how this product would could be at least that good. hahahahahahaha
At some point common sense must take the stage. These people are ...ummm ... people and they must use the judgment skill they posses.
/. We also need answers. Let's hear them.
Having said that, it should said that if their skills are not good enough for their jobs they should be fired, and in this case sued. People use school map all the time in first person shooter games, and in text adventure games. In 1983 I, and others, used a school as the setting for an adventure game. On of the goals in the game was the poison a teacher and get his floppy disks. It was Zork-ish. The teacher who was the subject of the poison pizza in the game laughed his ass off. Building the game to spec was the finial. In this case it was one teacher teasing an other teacher, using students in scheme. They we're and are good friends. And even though I wrote an adventure game where he was killed many times, he hired my at my first computer job, and the next, and next.
I cannot image how moronic these so called educators are. Educators, mind you. Sure you need to keep an eye out with the amount of hopelessness that seems to have gripped some students driving them to kill. I had much worse than a hammer in my room. I used to build minibike in Jr High. You might even have found welding equipment in my room. A hammer sure would have been the least of the items in my room, as it might have been second to the pillow.
I don't know what people do in a situation like this, but pressure needs to be put on this stupid people and their stupidity. Which is what it needs to be called. You can't just do something like this and say the ever idiotic line "Mistakes were made." Nope. It was more akin to a fuck up. And, if you can never say "I f**ked up." in your life, you are pure ego and need to grow up. We all f**k up, then we move on.
So what can we do? I don't want to just see problems posted on
Time to get out and use the old pen to write a nice little letter to my congress critter.
I'm all for someone using their rights to protect what is their's. Not a problem, but when it dictates what they can do with the things they own, and speech, I think it has crossed a line I'd rather it not cross.
Some say Americans just take the abuse and can't see what the big deal is, unless it might cause re-runs of Friends to be pulled. Some people say Americans are sheep and will go where a select class of people point for them to go. I have sometimes seen these rights dry up a little when not constantly defended, and I start to think American's are lemmings, not sheep.
I guess I'm just as guilty as everyone else. I'm no fool. I can see I'm like that also, but I'm trying really hard to be different.
Short Answer: It all stops when we all stop it.
"But my 85-year-old uncle probably will never own an iPod, and I hope we'll get him to own a Zune.'"