That's the Iranians' dark secret: They are developing new salad technology. They don't want to nuke the Jews, they just really love Caesar salad and don't want the other Muslim extremists to laugh at them.
Honestly, cut the HR training and how much grief or money have you incurred? Not a lot.
Now replace it with basic computer/internet security and use training, and how much grief or money have you saved? A hell of a lot, I would guess!
Until someone says something racist/ageist/sexist/etc. (or innocent) to someone (or someone overly sensitive) who sues the company for creating a hostile work environment. If they drop you all in a class for ex-Klansmen and reforming rapists, then they can always point to that and say "We tried!"
Yet if IM and text messages are cited as reasons for feeling alone, perhaps it is consistent social interaction that they are 'addicted' to, rather than 'the internet' as a whole.
Nope, nope. It's the evil Internet that did it. Teenagers never spent hours on the phone talking to someone they just spent the day with in school. No one ever stayed up way too late just talking to someone. A cell phone has never been used to talk to someone while on the way to see them in person. It's all the Internet's fault.
Penny Arcade would have had to cut out & scan an ad for a Ford Explorer, then paste it next to a images of Wall Street fat cats, with a subtitle referencing lax financial regulatory systems and failed economic management, then claim that they were also mocking the quality of American-made vehicles.
You had the choice between talking about a redheaded dominatrix and a car analogy, and you went with the car analogy? I know this is Slashdot, but some things are sacred! Like redheads in leather.
I suppose. He could just say he doesn't trust the police. He knows their underpaid and that an iPhone prototype is worth way more than $5k in the *wrong* hands
But he sold Apple property to not-Apple. Just because he didn't sell it to their direct competitor doesn't make him any less a crook.
And the logic of "Well, if I turned it into someone they'd just sell it, so I might as well sell it and keep the money for myself." holds less water than a rusty colander. A well-dressed guy with a penchant for walking down dark alleys will eventually get mugged. That doesn't mean I can mug him and get away with it.
Also, it means you assume everyone else is less honest than you, when you're out looking for a fence. That's an impressive amount of doublethink for a person to be walking around with. I guess repeated applications of small pictures of George Washington makes it easier.
and so he simply didn't trust that it would get back to Apple if he did that.
And Gizmodo promised him they'd give the device back to Apple without trying to exploit it for economic gain?
I don't know this guy, neither does anyone else posting here I'm guessing.
We're guessing, but his actions are speaking really, really LOUD.
I do know that he could have tried to sell it to Apple's competitors (the less reputable ones who make knockoffs, perhaps) for more than $5k. It seems like he did really want the phone to get returned to them, he just saw a way to make some money simultaneously. Two birds, one stone -- but I'm just guessing what his perspective was.
So then why didn't he announce he had it and would be selling it to the highest bidder? Then he could ignore every bid but Apple's and make some money on giving it back to them? No, that would be slimy. Doing anything but attempting to GIVE it back to the rightful owner directly or going through the police, who the law has made the only LEGAL middlemen, is wrong.
You are not entitled to make money off other people's lost goods. If they give you a reward, great. But you can't demand one. Else "finding" lost things would be a lot more common than it is.
Ahhh, I finally got it, you win. IHBT. Congrats! Doesn't often happen.
Thanks! I even got points for it. 8-)
Respecting a differing opinion or like-minded souls suckered as neatly as I was. Whichever one works better with your level of faith in humanity.:)
Actually I like video, although I do have a problem with Big Business whoring the internet and technology in general. People have been getting screwed for so long they don't actually understand that they've been used like the last girl in the bar at closing time.
It's a problem, yes. Though there's so much past precedence in earlier media (as you say, technology in general) that the only surprise is that it wasn't done even faster.:\
It's just a lead-in for extracting more of your money. Pay your cell phone company for a "data plan", pay you internet provider for a faster connection, pay the content provider, watch advertising, buy the crap they're shilling. Same shit, different day.
Okay, we're gonna have to disagree on this one. We're really on different planets here. There's people out there who enjoy watching videos of Englishmen talking fast and two guys cracking wise at video game openings. You like dialup and browsing with images off, have fun, it's your thing, just not everyone's.
And how does the business pay for the people who do the work that brings the people to the site?
By selling actual products and services, not just made-up internet nonsense.
Ahhh, I finally got it, you win. IHBT. Congrats! Doesn't often happen.
I was a big time usenet user, long ago. Lately, I've forgotten myself that it evens exists. Yes, I'm sure that there are die-hards who will take issue with this. To them I say "GET A LIFE". There's so many better, richer alternatives out there now for connecting with masses of people with the same interests.
So, your definition of "getting a life" is doing the exact same thing you're doing now... on a different part of the Internet.
And if she quits, she can find something else to do, or you will support her as necessary.
What wage are you making that you can comfortably support two people for the months and months it takes to find a job in this market? Can I have your job?
My wife works for the British NHS - the following is a comparison.
She is regularly rostered in for 12.5 hour shifts, but is required to stay until the patient she is handling has been dealt with - if she takes on an A&E case 30 minutes before she is scheduled to finish, that case can take up to 4 hours to conclude, and she is not allowed to leave until then. She is still required to turn up for the next shift on time.
Sounds like the last call center I worked at. I was pulling 12 hour shifts regularly (I got to leave early on Saturday though! Yay?) and couldn't leave until my last call was done, which was memorable when it was a call that had to be done via a translator. Four hours to diagnose a printer. And yes, had to be in the next day.
She is not allowed to take extended breaks, short comfort breaks are all she is permitted and any meals she takes are routinely interrupted - the longest she has had to eat a meal in the past 6 months is 20 minutes uninterrupted.
We were allowed to take breaks at specific times. Missed it because of a long call? Well, you can take it if your boss okays it. Need to go to the bathroom when not on break? Gotta fill out a form when you get back explaining why you left your desk on company time!
She is regularly pressured by the Trust to declare that she has not worked past her legal limit, even though they both know that she was rostered on to work way past that limit.
Fortunately we didn't have that. But we were fired if we made any insurance claims. Well, not fired, but things happened, like your shifts suddenly started fluctuating madly. Oh, you work 12 PM to 12 AM on Saturday and next week your 12 hour shift starts at 12 AM on Sunday? Sorry, scheduling error, we'll see about it. You still gotta work it, though. It's not 24 consecutive hours, it's two 12 hour shifts, just like you do now! In fact, you have to sign out and back in between them or you'll be listed as forgetting to sign out and not get paid for the second one. Have a nice day!
She does not get to plan her holidays, she gets told when she is on holiday, sometimes without any notice (she was told she was on holiday last week on the friday before).
Yup. So, by my math, my last job was about half as evil as hers. Still sucked, though. I'll be starving before I work at a call center again.
My point? The western world has its own little sweat shops and no one gives a damn.
I didn't know what Escapist was until now... but my task for the day is to go sign up and post about adblock and get banned.
Oh, great, this is gonna be like when the March Mayhem forum got linked on/b/. Now all we need is for someone to link all the Slashdot posts criticizing the Escapist's unfunny videos to the LoadingReadyRun forums (seeing as LRR makes about a third of 'em) so Slashdot will get a flood of ACs from there and it'll turn into a three-forum clusterfuck.
Two things in the current story is that there were no guidelines in this regards and that the members were banned without warning.
And everyone who uses the Escapist forums for any length of time knows that that's how the mods respond to EVERYTHING. And it seems as if different mods have their own bugbears, so poster X will get a beatdown for something poster Y got away with simply because of which mod is patrolling that forum at that moment.
It's so much a part of the culture that their 2010 April Fool's joke was to ban everyone over a certain (fairly high) post count for a random post and leave a message attached admitting they were capricious and liberal with the banhammer. One guy got banned for "mad science and global domination" or something.
I'm not saying it's right but it's certainly not new.
After the community manager unbanned everyone, the follow-up posts in that thread are all fan-boyish groveling which I totally don't understand. "We shouldn't use adblockers anyway!! Thanks for unbanning! Much respect!!" Respect for what? Taking the boot off your throat? Here's some bannable "browsing preference advice:" don't read The Escapist.
Really? I'm looking at page 7 and it's almost entirely people screaming BAN ME! ADBLOCK IS AWESOME! BAN ME! Or is that just some of us going over there and acting like idiots?
I have no idea if its related or purely coincidental, but ever since I've had the 'Disable Ads' box checked, I've never received mod-points, despite receiving them somewhat regularly up till then.
I never checked the box, but since around the time that box popped up, I haven't got mod points. Haven't seen a mod point for... a year now?
Exactly. In fact, Slashdot is one of few sites that are Doing It Right. I was so impressed when I saw the "Disable Advertising" option that I immediately added *.slashdot.org to my AdBlock whitelist (although I should have done it earlier given the amount of time I spend here).
Yeah, now it's just everything else about the Slashdot UI that brings my system to its knees.
I know that most of you weren't even born yet, but there was a time when the internet had no advertising. And it did just fine.
I remember those days. Finding websites was a nightmare because I mostly relied on user-built (and easily broken) webrings or link pages. All user maintained because no one was being paid for it, so maintainers could fall off the web and you were out of luck.
"Monetizing your assets" is marketing bullshit-speak for "fleecing stupid people and annoying the rest". In fact, I own several websites right now that contain no advertising and get traffic.
And they've got dozens of hours of full motion video, and a back archive of articles and forum posts going back years?
Any business that performs a service that's worth more than a pile of post-horse-oats can afford enough hardware and bandwidth to support thousands of users for less than they spend on getting the mats by the front door cleaned.
And how does the business pay for the people who do the work that brings the people to the site?
And as bizarre as this seems, I could even post original content and have user interaction just like The Escapist and still charge nothing.
Well, I'm glad someone can afford to pay a full staff out of pocket. Hire Yahtzee Croshaw and Paul Saunders and Graham Stark away from the Escapist and off you go!
Love it. I also watch the ones by the Loading Ready Run guys. Rebecca Mayes and Moviebob aren't bad, hit and miss but it's only a few minutes each anyway. The other videos? Not so much. Game Dogs (Non-jokes that run on too long, and then there was the facepalm-worthy reference to "ASC2 art".) and I Hit It with My Axe (Fully-dressed pornstars playing D&D - how is this different from watching fully-dressed ANYONE playing D&D? It's like watching someone do a crossword with more bad acting and dice rolling.) are just... painful.
Articles are similarly hit-and-miss, but there's a few authors there that are consistently good.
Overall there's enough good that I paid 'em ten bucks for the year and now I don't see ads anymore.
I can see that integrated graphics in a CPU can be handy for some applications, like low-power mobile stuff and such.
But for a desktop PC, isn't this a disadvantage? If you're using a proper graphics card, couldn't that space in the CPU be used for better things than a redundant graphics circuit?
One could make the same argument about motherboards right now. A lot of them come with onboard graphics that takes up space on the board better used for SATA ports or some such, and yet people still buy them and stick video cards on them.
I've seen a lot of systems. If it has a video card, odds are better than 50/50 it's also got onboard video.
If you believe the story, he did tried to return it. He called Apple, and got a ticket that was never answered.
So, he had a phone in his hand which contained not only the personal info for the owner but probably the contact info for multiple Apple engineers and family members of said owner, and his only response was to call some guy in another country who has never heard of that model of phone, doesn't know the owner, and has no way of finding the owner.
There's such a thing as due diligence, and that ain't it.
I guess my point is: he was probably fired before Gizmodo released his name, and he won't be getting good references from Apple for his next job, so even if his name hadn't been released he'd probably have a hard time getting another tech job.
So because the guy's got a disadvantage to begin with, it's okay for Gizmodo to completely fuck over his career? All so they can get a few more page views?
In fact, he starts his post saying just that: he doesn't want to discuss it:
Having once made the statement above, I have declined all opportunities to enlarge upon it or defend it.
He shouldn't have changed his mind.
You know how it is in reasoned and intelligent debate. Make an unsupportable statement, then when someone calls you on it, you say "I don't want to talk about it!" and run from the room with your fingers in your ears. Then, once everyone's moved on and you want to rant more, you run back into the room, rant, and then run away again before they can call you on the piles of BS you keep leaving all over their nice room.
At least, that's my definition of reasoned debate, and I'm going to close this debate by stating that I politely and gracefully decline all invitations to enlarge upon my statement or defend it.
- Proud graduate of the Roger Ebert school of winning fights on the Internet.
Maybe the next thing we can do is allow the cows to live in a virtual reality world where it seems like they are grazing in the grass when they're really on a treadmill making our electricity.
Ah, yes. The Mootrix, where Morph-Angus has to show Mr. Armorican that he is the One before Agent Simmental gets him.
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aren't those centrifuges a bit more powerful?
That's the Iranians' dark secret: They are developing new salad technology. They don't want to nuke the Jews, they just really love Caesar salad and don't want the other Muslim extremists to laugh at them.
Honestly, cut the HR training and how much grief or money have you incurred? Not a lot. Now replace it with basic computer/internet security and use training, and how much grief or money have you saved? A hell of a lot, I would guess!
Until someone says something racist/ageist/sexist/etc. (or innocent) to someone (or someone overly sensitive) who sues the company for creating a hostile work environment. If they drop you all in a class for ex-Klansmen and reforming rapists, then they can always point to that and say "We tried!"
Yet if IM and text messages are cited as reasons for feeling alone, perhaps it is consistent social interaction that they are 'addicted' to, rather than 'the internet' as a whole.
Nope, nope. It's the evil Internet that did it. Teenagers never spent hours on the phone talking to someone they just spent the day with in school. No one ever stayed up way too late just talking to someone. A cell phone has never been used to talk to someone while on the way to see them in person. It's all the Internet's fault.
Penny Arcade would have had to cut out & scan an ad for a Ford Explorer, then paste it next to a images of Wall Street fat cats, with a subtitle referencing lax financial regulatory systems and failed economic management, then claim that they were also mocking the quality of American-made vehicles.
You had the choice between talking about a redheaded dominatrix and a car analogy, and you went with the car analogy? I know this is Slashdot, but some things are sacred! Like redheads in leather.
I suppose. He could just say he doesn't trust the police. He knows their underpaid and that an iPhone prototype is worth way more than $5k in the *wrong* hands
But he sold Apple property to not-Apple. Just because he didn't sell it to their direct competitor doesn't make him any less a crook.
And the logic of "Well, if I turned it into someone they'd just sell it, so I might as well sell it and keep the money for myself." holds less water than a rusty colander. A well-dressed guy with a penchant for walking down dark alleys will eventually get mugged. That doesn't mean I can mug him and get away with it.
Also, it means you assume everyone else is less honest than you, when you're out looking for a fence. That's an impressive amount of doublethink for a person to be walking around with. I guess repeated applications of small pictures of George Washington makes it easier.
and so he simply didn't trust that it would get back to Apple if he did that.
And Gizmodo promised him they'd give the device back to Apple without trying to exploit it for economic gain?
I don't know this guy, neither does anyone else posting here I'm guessing.
We're guessing, but his actions are speaking really, really LOUD.
I do know that he could have tried to sell it to Apple's competitors (the less reputable ones who make knockoffs, perhaps) for more than $5k. It seems like he did really want the phone to get returned to them, he just saw a way to make some money simultaneously. Two birds, one stone -- but I'm just guessing what his perspective was.
So then why didn't he announce he had it and would be selling it to the highest bidder? Then he could ignore every bid but Apple's and make some money on giving it back to them? No, that would be slimy. Doing anything but attempting to GIVE it back to the rightful owner directly or going through the police, who the law has made the only LEGAL middlemen, is wrong. You are not entitled to make money off other people's lost goods. If they give you a reward, great. But you can't demand one. Else "finding" lost things would be a lot more common than it is.
What if identical twins hook up?
I imagine the knowledge it's incest tends to be more than enough counterbalance to the sexy.
Of course, I'm just guessing. Not like I've got any twin porn on my hard drive, no sir. Nothing to see here.
Ahhh, I finally got it, you win. IHBT. Congrats! Doesn't often happen. Thanks! I even got points for it. 8-)
Respecting a differing opinion or like-minded souls suckered as neatly as I was. Whichever one works better with your level of faith in humanity.:)
Actually I like video, although I do have a problem with Big Business whoring the internet and technology in general. People have been getting screwed for so long they don't actually understand that they've been used like the last girl in the bar at closing time.
It's a problem, yes. Though there's so much past precedence in earlier media (as you say, technology in general) that the only surprise is that it wasn't done even faster.:\
Who gives a crap about full-motion video?
Seriously? Really? Woah, you just said that.
It's just a lead-in for extracting more of your money. Pay your cell phone company for a "data plan", pay you internet provider for a faster connection, pay the content provider, watch advertising, buy the crap they're shilling. Same shit, different day.
Okay, we're gonna have to disagree on this one. We're really on different planets here. There's people out there who enjoy watching videos of Englishmen talking fast and two guys cracking wise at video game openings. You like dialup and browsing with images off, have fun, it's your thing, just not everyone's.
And how does the business pay for the people who do the work that brings the people to the site? By selling actual products and services, not just made-up internet nonsense.
Ahhh, I finally got it, you win. IHBT. Congrats! Doesn't often happen.
I was a big time usenet user, long ago. Lately, I've forgotten myself that it evens exists. Yes, I'm sure that there are die-hards who will take issue with this. To them I say "GET A LIFE". There's so many better, richer alternatives out there now for connecting with masses of people with the same interests.
So, your definition of "getting a life" is doing the exact same thing you're doing now... on a different part of the Internet.
My wife and her 5 fake accounts beg to differ.
SIX accounts just for Farmville? My condolences.
And if she quits, she can find something else to do, or you will support her as necessary.
What wage are you making that you can comfortably support two people for the months and months it takes to find a job in this market? Can I have your job?
My wife works for the British NHS - the following is a comparison.
She is regularly rostered in for 12.5 hour shifts, but is required to stay until the patient she is handling has been dealt with - if she takes on an A&E case 30 minutes before she is scheduled to finish, that case can take up to 4 hours to conclude, and she is not allowed to leave until then. She is still required to turn up for the next shift on time.
Sounds like the last call center I worked at. I was pulling 12 hour shifts regularly (I got to leave early on Saturday though! Yay?) and couldn't leave until my last call was done, which was memorable when it was a call that had to be done via a translator. Four hours to diagnose a printer. And yes, had to be in the next day.
She is not allowed to take extended breaks, short comfort breaks are all she is permitted and any meals she takes are routinely interrupted - the longest she has had to eat a meal in the past 6 months is 20 minutes uninterrupted.
We were allowed to take breaks at specific times. Missed it because of a long call? Well, you can take it if your boss okays it. Need to go to the bathroom when not on break? Gotta fill out a form when you get back explaining why you left your desk on company time!
She is regularly pressured by the Trust to declare that she has not worked past her legal limit, even though they both know that she was rostered on to work way past that limit.
Fortunately we didn't have that. But we were fired if we made any insurance claims. Well, not fired, but things happened, like your shifts suddenly started fluctuating madly. Oh, you work 12 PM to 12 AM on Saturday and next week your 12 hour shift starts at 12 AM on Sunday? Sorry, scheduling error, we'll see about it. You still gotta work it, though. It's not 24 consecutive hours, it's two 12 hour shifts, just like you do now! In fact, you have to sign out and back in between them or you'll be listed as forgetting to sign out and not get paid for the second one. Have a nice day!
She does not get to plan her holidays, she gets told when she is on holiday, sometimes without any notice (she was told she was on holiday last week on the friday before).
Yup. So, by my math, my last job was about half as evil as hers. Still sucked, though. I'll be starving before I work at a call center again.
My point? The western world has its own little sweat shops and no one gives a damn.
And HOW!
Any business thats sole source of income is advertisements is fail. It will never last long.
Yeah, like magazines and television.
I didn't know what Escapist was until now... but my task for the day is to go sign up and post about adblock and get banned.
Oh, great, this is gonna be like when the March Mayhem forum got linked on /b/. Now all we need is for someone to link all the Slashdot posts criticizing the Escapist's unfunny videos to the LoadingReadyRun forums (seeing as LRR makes about a third of 'em) so Slashdot will get a flood of ACs from there and it'll turn into a three-forum clusterfuck.
Two things in the current story is that there were no guidelines in this regards and that the members were banned without warning.
And everyone who uses the Escapist forums for any length of time knows that that's how the mods respond to EVERYTHING. And it seems as if different mods have their own bugbears, so poster X will get a beatdown for something poster Y got away with simply because of which mod is patrolling that forum at that moment.
It's so much a part of the culture that their 2010 April Fool's joke was to ban everyone over a certain (fairly high) post count for a random post and leave a message attached admitting they were capricious and liberal with the banhammer. One guy got banned for "mad science and global domination" or something.
I'm not saying it's right but it's certainly not new.
After the community manager unbanned everyone, the follow-up posts in that thread are all fan-boyish groveling which I totally don't understand. "We shouldn't use adblockers anyway!! Thanks for unbanning! Much respect!!" Respect for what? Taking the boot off your throat? Here's some bannable "browsing preference advice:" don't read The Escapist.
Really? I'm looking at page 7 and it's almost entirely people screaming BAN ME! ADBLOCK IS AWESOME! BAN ME! Or is that just some of us going over there and acting like idiots?
I have no idea if its related or purely coincidental, but ever since I've had the 'Disable Ads' box checked, I've never received mod-points, despite receiving them somewhat regularly up till then.
I never checked the box, but since around the time that box popped up, I haven't got mod points. Haven't seen a mod point for... a year now?
Exactly. In fact, Slashdot is one of few sites that are Doing It Right. I was so impressed when I saw the "Disable Advertising" option that I immediately added *.slashdot.org to my AdBlock whitelist (although I should have done it earlier given the amount of time I spend here).
Yeah, now it's just everything else about the Slashdot UI that brings my system to its knees.
I know that most of you weren't even born yet, but there was a time when the internet had no advertising. And it did just fine.
I remember those days. Finding websites was a nightmare because I mostly relied on user-built (and easily broken) webrings or link pages. All user maintained because no one was being paid for it, so maintainers could fall off the web and you were out of luck.
"Monetizing your assets" is marketing bullshit-speak for "fleecing stupid people and annoying the rest". In fact, I own several websites right now that contain no advertising and get traffic.
And they've got dozens of hours of full motion video, and a back archive of articles and forum posts going back years?
Any business that performs a service that's worth more than a pile of post-horse-oats can afford enough hardware and bandwidth to support thousands of users for less than they spend on getting the mats by the front door cleaned.
And how does the business pay for the people who do the work that brings the people to the site?
And as bizarre as this seems, I could even post original content and have user interaction just like The Escapist and still charge nothing.
Well, I'm glad someone can afford to pay a full staff out of pocket. Hire Yahtzee Croshaw and Paul Saunders and Graham Stark away from the Escapist and off you go!
the Zero Punctuation videos are hilarious
Love it. I also watch the ones by the Loading Ready Run guys. Rebecca Mayes and Moviebob aren't bad, hit and miss but it's only a few minutes each anyway. The other videos? Not so much. Game Dogs (Non-jokes that run on too long, and then there was the facepalm-worthy reference to "ASC2 art".) and I Hit It with My Axe (Fully-dressed pornstars playing D&D - how is this different from watching fully-dressed ANYONE playing D&D? It's like watching someone do a crossword with more bad acting and dice rolling.) are just... painful.
Articles are similarly hit-and-miss, but there's a few authors there that are consistently good.
Overall there's enough good that I paid 'em ten bucks for the year and now I don't see ads anymore.
I can see that integrated graphics in a CPU can be handy for some applications, like low-power mobile stuff and such.
But for a desktop PC, isn't this a disadvantage? If you're using a proper graphics card, couldn't that space in the CPU be used for better things than a redundant graphics circuit?
One could make the same argument about motherboards right now. A lot of them come with onboard graphics that takes up space on the board better used for SATA ports or some such, and yet people still buy them and stick video cards on them.
I've seen a lot of systems. If it has a video card, odds are better than 50/50 it's also got onboard video.
If you believe the story, he did tried to return it. He called Apple, and got a ticket that was never answered.
So, he had a phone in his hand which contained not only the personal info for the owner but probably the contact info for multiple Apple engineers and family members of said owner, and his only response was to call some guy in another country who has never heard of that model of phone, doesn't know the owner, and has no way of finding the owner.
There's such a thing as due diligence, and that ain't it.
I guess my point is: he was probably fired before Gizmodo released his name, and he won't be getting good references from Apple for his next job, so even if his name hadn't been released he'd probably have a hard time getting another tech job.
So because the guy's got a disadvantage to begin with, it's okay for Gizmodo to completely fuck over his career? All so they can get a few more page views?
In fact, he starts his post saying just that: he doesn't want to discuss it:
Having once made the statement above, I have declined all opportunities to enlarge upon it or defend it.
He shouldn't have changed his mind.
You know how it is in reasoned and intelligent debate. Make an unsupportable statement, then when someone calls you on it, you say "I don't want to talk about it!" and run from the room with your fingers in your ears. Then, once everyone's moved on and you want to rant more, you run back into the room, rant, and then run away again before they can call you on the piles of BS you keep leaving all over their nice room.
At least, that's my definition of reasoned debate, and I'm going to close this debate by stating that I politely and gracefully decline all invitations to enlarge upon my statement or defend it.
- Proud graduate of the Roger Ebert school of winning fights on the Internet.
Reminds me of the matrix.
Maybe the next thing we can do is allow the cows to live in a virtual reality world where it seems like they are grazing in the grass when they're really on a treadmill making our electricity.
Ah, yes. The Mootrix, where Morph-Angus has to show Mr. Armorican that he is the One before Agent Simmental gets him.
(Wikipedia makes incredibly bad puns easy!).
And sadly, I've heard the Mootrix joke before.