There are some symptoms in this way of argueing that are not exactly convincing me, actually, some scare me, especially the way you think you can decide who is real and who is not.
"you are confusing social Christians with real Christianity." The division you are making has been tried before in history and it never really ended well. I had a long discussion with a convert who believed he had found the real faith but in the end (we mostly discussed how you could find out what message really came from God) the only difference between him and me was that he had chosen to ascribe certain special feelings he had as being in contact with God, and I had had similar feelings but had chosen not to (in the end). He even went so far as to warn me that MY grand feelings might have been inspired by the devil. That's what made me stop that discussion, he was obviously not willing to discuss his Truth, and feeling he was a Real Christian.
"Most people like this haven't really ever read the Bible from cover to cover," Have you? Well good for you, i couldn't, it was causing too many questions on every page, especially when I read more about the what's known about history: about how the early christian church rituals went and that many aspects were lost. About how the books in the bible were chosen . Um and no, The Da Vinci Code was not my source;) . What also made me think deep was when I read there are earlier versions of the story about the near-sacrificing of Abraham's son that DID end in the killing of Isaac: the goat only came in in later versions. Now that gives a totally new perspective, doesn't it? And even if you read the bible cover to cover, what conclusions should one draw? Do you wear clothes of mixed fabric (not allowed)? Do you only buy crop from farmers that leave the soil to rest every n-th year (you should)? Considering these last two recommendations, how many people are Real Christians? Are you still?
Or to go back to science: does the sun 'come up' and does that mean the earth is the center of the universe?
" don't live what would be considered a Christian lifestyle"... , and in all likelihood believe the same as anyone who's not a Christian. It's pretty easy to water down the definition of Christianity if you include the social converts. On the other hand, if you're talking about Christians in the sense of those who have convictions to follow after the God of the Bible, live right, pray daily, and seek to have a relationship with their maker, then you're very lucky if you find a small percentage of these who accept what they're told in school about evolution." So if I tell you there are monks and viccars out there who say you should not take Genesis too literally, they are bad christians?
"On the other side of things, there are plenty of people who are not Christians by any sense of the word (they do not label themselves as such, and may even be atheists) who don't swallow evolution. They likely don't believe in creationism either, but they've found just as many flaws in the theory and refuse to accept it. So you're right, in a sense - there is no dichotomy - people from all walks of life have rejected the theory of evolution. Being Christian is not a prerequisite."
May I dare to propose that 'being religious' is the prerequisite? Do you have any figures to support what you said?
One last question: what flaws in the evolution theory are you talking about?
I believe that the high quality printing of packages has partly been pushed by the barcode.
Correct me if I'm wrong but when the barcode started to become more common, which was around 1984 [sic] in the Netherlands (that's in Europe), I saw the packaging of products change. At the beginning there were the roughly wrapped products with an unreadable barcode, as well as the badly printed ones. I also have a vague memory of products disappearing then, because of the lack of barcode: maybe an older person can confirm this.
Anyway I can't imagine the barcode on supermarkt products disappearing in the coming 5, 10 years. Gee, some supermarkets only changed a few years ago: until then the girls at the cash registers had to memorize product codes for over 600 products.
* i said 'apart from Abu Grahib and Guantanamo'
* "we 'enjoy' some of the nicest prisons in the world." - compared where? well they are at least the largest...
* "The 8th amendment has been stretched to ensure that prisoners are given certain 'rights'. " that's great but how is the situation in Morocco and elsewhere? the original claimer tried to say the US prison (and I included the justice system) is nicer than others, and I asked him to back it up.
I'm not sure what information you are basing that on, could you clarify? I know./ers will accuse me of anti-americanism but you are just assuming. According to a quick Google on the (ever reliable) internet, there are political prisoners in the US, there is torture going on (not only Abu Graib and Guantanamo, see http://www.historiansagainstwar.org/resources/tort ure/brucefranklin.html ) and there are also doubts on whether you can get a fair trial: it's often advised to expelled suspects that in their own interest it would be better to plea guilty to get a lower sentence than plea innocent, even if they are/would be innocent.
Anyway these wormcreators are likely to be made 'an example' in any country.
Try to get your own domain and see what mess is send to random addresses at that domain. For instance fake addresses of origin. This gets especially bad if you have a catch_all actived, but also info@, webmaster@, sales@ etc. are heavily bombarded.
If they can just do it relaxed, not too drastical as it sounds in the summary above. Here at Wageningen University (NL) some idiot wanted to introduce the flexible office or whatever they call it, where nobody has his/her own desk, even for professors. The argument was that you could scan in your books and put it all on the laptop. I can imagine a flex office works with simpe repetitive tasks with a central database such as insurance companies but the average professor here still has 4 bookshelves in his room and piles on and next to his desk. Can't imagine it is cheap and easy to OCR that.
- I should also mention the financial reason: with this system they can reduce the number of workplaces, as many people are working in the field or work parttime. - As a longsleeper i resent this system most because I will always end up looking for the last empty desk...
Um, there SHOULD be and if you get the right newspaper there IS. The lazy journalist and the lowerquality journal will just copy most of the press release, and will just accept weird claims and all the bruha. As I suppose happened here.
I agree, this is a bit too long for a review, it's almost a book, and where's the criticism? What do I do with a comment like "a very useful something-to-string-function in chapter X"
"The archeological evidence for evolution isn't all that sturdy and complete, either." "poofy speculations" Yeah sure and the devil put in these bones to shatter our faith etc etc. Anyway, one can't argue with 'faith' can one...
" What on Earth makes you think we can change it? " An American relative gave me a "Say you can and you will" poster (never seen anything comparable in any other country). World community except 1 is trying to prevent too drastic change.
"What on Earth makes you think we should change it?!?!" Um.. disappearing glaciers? Insurance companies panicking ?
"Are you so arrogant as to think we have a say in it?" Dutch researchers calculated China and India can reduce emissions even when the use of electricity will double. Key word: efficiency. Absent word: nuclear power.
You might be right, I mean, the way they build in tabs in IE6 (allegedly) stinks. But if there are still some smart programmers around at MS, MS IE7 might become a very advanced tool. Very well integrated with MS-office and MS Outlook and MS Media Player and that MSN thing. Plus, some OS folks are making something very much alike to GreaseMonkey for IE, spreading that great advantage of FF userscripts (and extensions?)to IE users.
Working as a pizza delivery boy is okay because it can be a great socialization experience. Learn to fend for yourself, learn there's no safety net if you screw up, and no one to keep you from screwing up, etc.
Actually I've seen OpenOffice 2.0's spreadsheet converting an Excel sheet pretty darn good. All sorts of formulas and interactions just kept functioning. A multi-line table had to be reorganized so that the source data were in parallel columns with one single column for all x-values, and i hope that will be improved but if you think of how complicated MS Office applications are it is very well done. I found one more problem, a locked Excel sheet was no longer locked after conversion.
EVERY outside door of public buildings opens up to the outside for the mentioned 'panic' reason.
They are either badly secured by having a pin that is not easily removed, or the door has pins on the inside, fitting in holes in the wall so you cannot pull it out.
Um, the (conservative part of the) US is not alone in this regard. They are together with, among others, islamic countries. [Hey great! We finally found something they have in common:)]
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There are some symptoms in this way of argueing that are not exactly convincing me, actually, some scare me, especially the way you think you can decide who is real and who is not.
;) .
"you are confusing social Christians with real Christianity."
The division you are making has been tried before in history and it never really ended well. I had a long discussion with a convert who believed he had found the real faith but in the end (we mostly discussed how you could find out what message really came from God) the only difference between him and me was that he had chosen to ascribe certain special feelings he had as being in contact with God, and I had had similar feelings but had chosen not to (in the end). He even went so far as to warn me that MY grand feelings might have been inspired by the devil.
That's what made me stop that discussion, he was obviously not willing to discuss his Truth, and feeling he was a Real Christian.
"Most people like this haven't really ever read the Bible from cover to cover,"
Have you? Well good for you, i couldn't, it was causing too many questions on every page, especially when I read more about the what's known about history: about how the early christian church rituals went and that many aspects were lost. About how the books in the bible were chosen . Um and no, The Da Vinci Code was not my source
What also made me think deep was when I read there are earlier versions of the story about the near-sacrificing of Abraham's son that DID end in the killing of Isaac: the goat only came in in later versions. Now that gives a totally new perspective, doesn't it?
And even if you read the bible cover to cover, what conclusions should one draw? Do you wear clothes of mixed fabric (not allowed)? Do you only buy crop from farmers that leave the soil to rest every n-th year (you should)?
Considering these last two recommendations, how many people are Real Christians? Are you still?
Or to go back to science: does the sun 'come up' and does that mean the earth is the center of the universe?
" don't live what would be considered a Christian lifestyle"...
, and in all likelihood believe the same as anyone who's not a Christian. It's pretty easy to water down the definition of Christianity if you include the social converts. On the other hand, if you're talking about Christians in the sense of those who have convictions to follow after the God of the Bible, live right, pray daily, and seek to have a relationship with their maker, then you're very lucky if you find a small percentage of these who accept what they're told in school about evolution."
So if I tell you there are monks and viccars out there who say you should not take Genesis too literally, they are bad christians?
"On the other side of things, there are plenty of people who are not Christians by any sense of the word (they do not label themselves as such, and may even be atheists) who don't swallow evolution. They likely don't believe in creationism either, but they've found just as many flaws in the theory and refuse to accept it. So you're right, in a sense - there is no dichotomy - people from all walks of life have rejected the theory of evolution. Being Christian is not a prerequisite."
May I dare to propose that 'being religious' is the prerequisite? Do you have any figures to support what you said?
One last question: what flaws in the evolution theory are you talking about?
but you can't prove that ;-P
I believe that the high quality printing of packages has partly been pushed by the barcode.
Correct me if I'm wrong but when the barcode started to become more common, which was around 1984 [sic] in the Netherlands (that's in Europe), I saw the packaging of products change. At the beginning there were the roughly wrapped products with an unreadable barcode, as well as the badly printed ones.
I also have a vague memory of products disappearing then, because of the lack of barcode: maybe an older person can confirm this.
Anyway I can't imagine the barcode on supermarkt products disappearing in the coming 5, 10 years. Gee, some supermarkets only changed a few years ago: until then the girls at the cash registers had to memorize product codes for over 600 products.
nooooo... don't mod up the n-th copy of that text on slashdot...
* i said 'apart from Abu Grahib and Guantanamo'
* "we 'enjoy' some of the nicest prisons in the world." - compared where? well they are at least the largest...
* "The 8th amendment has been stretched to ensure that prisoners are given certain 'rights'. " that's great but how is the situation in Morocco and elsewhere? the original claimer tried to say the US prison (and I included the justice system) is nicer than others, and I asked him to back it up.
Interesting background report: http://www.sentencingproject.org/pdfs/pub9036.pdf
I'm not sure what information you are basing that on, could you clarify? I know ./ers will accuse me of anti-americanism but you are just assuming.t ure/brucefranklin.html ) and there are also doubts on whether you can get a fair trial: it's often advised to expelled suspects that in their own interest it would be better to plea guilty to get a lower sentence than plea innocent, even if they are/would be innocent.
According to a quick Google on the (ever reliable) internet, there are political prisoners in the US, there is torture going on (not only Abu Graib and Guantanamo, see http://www.historiansagainstwar.org/resources/tor
Anyway these wormcreators are likely to be made 'an example' in any country.
With that link to prove your point, you cannot call that argument bullshit, Anon!
very energy efficient to send back all the leaflets to their origin 8-|
well ok recycled paper is slightly better but it is hardly ever 100% recycled.
Try to get your own domain and see what mess is send to random addresses at that domain. For instance fake addresses of origin.
This gets especially bad if you have a catch_all actived, but also info@, webmaster@, sales@ etc. are heavily bombarded.
If they can just do it relaxed, not too drastical as it sounds in the summary above. Here at Wageningen University (NL) some idiot wanted to introduce the flexible office or whatever they call it, where nobody has his/her own desk, even for professors. The argument was that you could scan in your books and put it all on the laptop.
I can imagine a flex office works with simpe repetitive tasks with a central database such as insurance companies but the average professor here still has 4 bookshelves in his room and piles on and next to his desk. Can't imagine it is cheap and easy to OCR that.
- I should also mention the financial reason: with this system they can reduce the number of workplaces, as many people are working in the field or work parttime.
- As a longsleeper i resent this system most because I will always end up looking for the last empty desk...
Um, there SHOULD be and if you get the right newspaper there IS.
The lazy journalist and the lowerquality journal will just copy most of the press release, and will just accept weird claims and all the bruha. As I suppose happened here.
is it the journalist or: the pr behind the product?
I agree, this is a bit too long for a review, it's almost a book, and where's the criticism?
What do I do with a comment like "a very useful something-to-string-function in chapter X"
"The archeological evidence for evolution isn't all that sturdy and complete, either."
"poofy speculations"
Yeah sure and the devil put in these bones to shatter our faith etc etc. Anyway, one can't argue with 'faith' can one...
" What on Earth makes you think we can change it? " An American relative gave me a "Say you can and you will" poster (never seen anything comparable in any other country). World community except 1 is trying to prevent too drastic change.
"What on Earth makes you think we should change it?!?!"
Um.. disappearing glaciers? Insurance companies panicking ?
"Are you so arrogant as to think we have a say in it?"
Dutch researchers calculated China and India can reduce emissions even when the use of electricity will double. Key word: efficiency. Absent word: nuclear power.
You might be right, I mean, the way they build in tabs in IE6 (allegedly) stinks.
But if there are still some smart programmers around at MS, MS IE7 might become a very advanced tool. Very well integrated with MS-office and MS Outlook and MS Media Player and that MSN thing. Plus, some OS folks are making something very much alike to GreaseMonkey for IE, spreading that great advantage of FF userscripts (and extensions?)to IE users.
Working as a pizza delivery boy is okay because it can be a great socialization experience. Learn to fend for yourself, learn there's no safety net if you screw up, and no one to keep you from screwing up, etc.
Actually I've seen OpenOffice 2.0's spreadsheet converting an Excel sheet pretty darn good. All sorts of formulas and interactions just kept functioning. A multi-line table had to be reorganized so that the source data were in parallel columns with one single column for all x-values, and i hope that will be improved but if you think of how complicated MS Office applications are it is very well done.
I found one more problem, a locked Excel sheet was no longer locked after conversion.
EVERY outside door of public buildings opens up to the outside for the mentioned 'panic' reason.
They are either badly secured by having a pin that is not easily removed, or the door has pins on the inside, fitting in holes in the wall so you cannot pull it out.
Um, the (conservative part of the) US is not alone in this regard. They are together with, among others, islamic countries. :)]
[Hey great! We finally found something they have in common
But look what it did to his hair !
http://www-student.cs.york.ac.uk/~jw222/oops.jpg
And the first multinational (VOC trading company), for which I duly apologize...
Well that's good to hear, which patent office is this about, afaik the european patent office is still doing it.
Oh yes you can. You can patent any gene, at least at the European Patent Office.
Sincerely,
Fuckwit.