...when I read stupid political talk from people who wish to be able to influence not by providing, but by talking down the stars from heavens - well, like most stupid polticians do.
If I have to choose between a man who talks so much, and crap so often that it's far above the statistical mean, I will always take the side of the other guy, who proved his ways so many times with his deeds.
That's the story for me, you choose who's who from above.
In the end those aren't major user features, they're major developer features.
First off, Thurott didn't say "user features" he said "features". Second, you make it sound like dev features wouldn't be about as much as (or more) important as eyepoking so-called-by-you user features. Both are very important, and none can be really good without the existance of the other.
As for whether Spotlight was influenced by an existing product
Wakey, wakey, sunshine. Just take a look around in the windows desktop search world and then (oh god forbid) in the linux world. Very many are and are being developed. OSX just does it better, being a bit in front in the matter of tighter integration. WinFS can be however good it might, it didn't stir up much dirt even when it was first mentioned (just think beos) only among the 6pack-windows-fan-kow-it-all-(l)user-base-all-time -die-hard fans.
Apple makes its mone off of its hardware. Delink OS X from its hardware, and VWOOOOSH. There go a lot of its profits.
Are you absolutely sure about this ? Cause I know I'd buy an i386 and/or amd64 OSX version the second it would be released. Or else, I'd love a *BSD version with such a user interface.
It says absolutely nothing. For one, if Ubuntu would stop using the large package base of Debian, Ubuntu would be nothing but a one disk "distro" for starter users with who have a sudden urge for installing anything with alien.
When etch is getting ready for release, what will be the reasons to use it over the Ubuntu release that comes out nearby?
What would make us use Ubuntu over Sarge ? I mean, come on, Ubuntu has almost _no_ _packages_, all it has is fetched from Debian. They worked up a new base install, but basically, that's it. Wake up already, Ubuntu is _not_ a real distro until it can provide packages enough to install a complete workstation, which it can't, and it couldn't with any of its relases up to this day. Tested, tried, used, forgotten until next one.
I don't want to see.deb packages that only run on Ubuntu or only run on Debian, the way you have to find separate RPMs for Mandrake and Fedora. That would suck.
Yup, that would kill one of the reasons why Debian became so very rockingly unspeakably cool back in the days when I switched from RedHat (which I was quite a devoted fan of). I don't think Ubuntu peope would want to loose such a feature.
Exactly what I felt regarding Ubuntu from its first days. I feel it kinda wierd that a distro taking (or let's say starting from) what Debian has best in almost everything (including developers), produce something which is nice but not entirely as good as Debian (you can fight me here, but you can't easily talk me out of my experiences) and still gather a great amount of popularity. ALl in all this would not be that bad, popularity if good, what could be really bad if this popularity if not used well because it could easily result in Debian's demise in a quite short term. I just hope that people who used and developed for Debian for years and know it inside out can still continuously provide a stable user base for Debian to survive.
Thing is probably SID gets more frequently updated than any other existing distro out there. Granted, you loose something of the best what Debian serves (constancy, thoroughly tested stability) with using SID, but it's very well usable for home desktop use. In fact I had about 3 major s*cks with it in the last 2.5-3 years and I don't cosider that bad given the very nice (and still one of the very best distros in usability/update/packaging/manage
I'd mod you down, but I want to talk:) So please RTFA, the whole thing is about Ubuntu packaging generating (or possibly generating more) uncompatibility with Debian's. Which could be good if Ubuntu were so much unspeakably better then Debian Sarge/SID, which (granted, arguably) isn't (this coming from a devoted debianer, but a more devoted linuxer, having over 60gigs of linux installs constantly refreshed and regularly tested).
Now how many operating systems do Linux developers come up with? A few hundred maybe, and tens of these are "mainstream" distros. Often the basic admin tools, desktops etc. look and act differently. Is it any wonder non-technical (and even some technical) users are turned off using Linux on the desktop?
Ahem,
1). it's ok you rebel against a few dozen more distros, you could have your reasons,
2). it's pretty unclear why you rebel when one of the best and most established distros get followers (even for forking purposes).
I'd be willing to accept more forks of the best distros than dozens of small quirks, even if they are good for a specific targeted goal.
Debian will probably focus on server stuff, and Ubuntu will focus on desktop. It's a good possible symbiosis.
Thing is, not all people are breastfed by Ubundu. In fact I really don't like Ubuntu (with reasons), and I'm not alone with this feeling. And before you get angry, yes, I tried it, in fact I tried every rc and final they released up to date. What I want to say is I really love Debian (using all of woody, sarge and sid on multiple machines for years now) and I wouldn't want to loose _any_ of its applicabilities and/or functions as a workstation or server in favour of some popular distro.
you should be asking why people are getting away with depositing turds in your mailbox to begin with. Be angry, very angry
I can't, I mean I could, I was, I sometimes still am, but if there exist tools that stop the trash it before reaches me, then I'm ok. I don't have the time and and don't feel the sudden urge to start complaining to anyone regarding amounts of spam. I also don't have the time to participate in good filter development. What people can do at their level is to somewhat effectively stop the tide before it hits the front door, which I always managed to achieve for years now.
Since bigger players can't find a working solution to this problem for years now, I only can do this much and protect myself.
But I always tell when I have the opportunity that the solution to this shouldn't _just_ happen at infrastructural level (i.e. e.g. protocol) but also on a large scale at social level: make the spamming activity not worthy somehow.
they are receiving slightly more spam in their inboxes than before, but they are minding it less.
Of course I mind less, but I do because a good reason: the server I pop my mail from uses paid-for spam filtering (nothing revolutionary, but quite good), then my Thunderbird also squeezes them quite a bit. What I get at the end is below my getting-angry-about-it threshold. But, I have to tell that overall I get quite more spam than let's say this time last year. The reason I don't mind is that the number of spam I get after double filtering is _not_ higher than before.
What's wrong with the Debian running on the Mini platform? Is there any reason Ubuntu couldn't run, too?
What should be wrong with it ? I guess you're just one of those Ubunbu fanboys who think Ubuntu should be run everywhere. Why should the above listings start with some minor distros: if they say some big and well etablished distros can do it, then probably the derived others also can. This is a better formulation than the other way around.
This machine is like a stereolithography machine that works in concrete. If you don't want an identical box, then use a different design! It will extrude a concrete structure in any shape that the concrete can support.
Hell, I don't want to live in some "house" extruded from solid block of concrete. Get in there if you like, just forget me. Good old european style brick houses, that's for me. Well, if I'd be in Florida I'd stick with wooden bungalows, that's more easy to rebuild year after year - ok, sorry, that's not that funny.
Well, I remember a friend of mine and meself:) bought quite a high-end and pricey flatbad scanner a few years back. The damn thing could not be used only and only if logged in as or run-as as administrator under windows 2000 (and later on windows xp, even with updated drivers). It was pretty fun stuff since it was intended to be used in a lab where quite a few people were let in to use the equipment. I don't know what heppened to the stuff since then, but back then, people could only use the scanner when an admin was there...
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...when I read stupid political talk from people who wish to be able to influence not by providing, but by talking down the stars from heavens - well, like most stupid polticians do.
If I have to choose between a man who talks so much, and crap so often that it's far above the statistical mean, I will always take the side of the other guy, who proved his ways so many times with his deeds.
That's the story for me, you choose who's who from above.
In the end those aren't major user features, they're major developer features.
e -die-hard fans.
First off, Thurott didn't say "user features" he said "features". Second, you make it sound like dev features wouldn't be about as much as (or more) important as eyepoking so-called-by-you user features. Both are very important, and none can be really good without the existance of the other.
As for whether Spotlight was influenced by an existing product
Wakey, wakey, sunshine. Just take a look around in the windows desktop search world and then (oh god forbid) in the linux world. Very many are and are being developed. OSX just does it better, being a bit in front in the matter of tighter integration. WinFS can be however good it might, it didn't stir up much dirt even when it was first mentioned (just think beos) only among the 6pack-windows-fan-kow-it-all-(l)user-base-all-tim
Apple makes its mone off of its hardware. Delink OS X from its hardware, and VWOOOOSH. There go a lot of its profits.
Are you absolutely sure about this ? Cause I know I'd buy an i386 and/or amd64 OSX version the second it would be released. Or else, I'd love a *BSD version with such a user interface.
it is cool or attractive in some way, it provides easy entry, and it is addictive
I guess usefulness and usability doesn't count anymore where this guy lives.
Maybe ETS can help them do that
:]
It can't be the right way, it's too little, too broad, too not good for anything
Heck, make the floow some heavy plexy or something and project the stuff unto it from below with a good ol' projector :P
"standards" created by Ubuntu
Hell, I alost puked my breakfast on my monitor. Don't make me do that again.
AFAIK, RPM is actually ahead of DEB in certain areas. Yum and apt-get are reasonably close in quality, although I would give apt-get the nod for now.
Yup, and the others who - for a change - really know what they are blattering about, can only send that nod flying back to you.
It says absolutely nothing. For one, if Ubuntu would stop using the large package base of Debian, Ubuntu would be nothing but a one disk "distro" for starter users with who have a sudden urge for installing anything with alien.
When etch is getting ready for release, what will be the reasons to use it over the Ubuntu release that comes out nearby?
What would make us use Ubuntu over Sarge ? I mean, come on, Ubuntu has almost _no_ _packages_, all it has is fetched from Debian. They worked up a new base install, but basically, that's it. Wake up already, Ubuntu is _not_ a real distro until it can provide packages enough to install a complete workstation, which it can't, and it couldn't with any of its relases up to this day. Tested, tried, used, forgotten until next one.
OMFG. A friggin troll AC got funny for talking nonsense. Well, I guess it really is funny. In a wierd funny way :)
I don't want to see .deb packages that only run on Ubuntu or only run on Debian, the way you have to find separate RPMs for Mandrake and Fedora. That would suck.
Yup, that would kill one of the reasons why Debian became so very rockingly unspeakably cool back in the days when I switched from RedHat (which I was quite a devoted fan of). I don't think Ubuntu peope would want to loose such a feature.
Exactly what I felt regarding Ubuntu from its first days. I feel it kinda wierd that a distro taking (or let's say starting from) what Debian has best in almost everything (including developers), produce something which is nice but not entirely as good as Debian (you can fight me here, but you can't easily talk me out of my experiences) and still gather a great amount of popularity. ALl in all this would not be that bad, popularity if good, what could be really bad if this popularity if not used well because it could easily result in Debian's demise in a quite short term. I just hope that people who used and developed for Debian for years and know it inside out can still continuously provide a stable user base for Debian to survive.
Thing is probably SID gets more frequently updated than any other existing distro out there. Granted, you loose something of the best what Debian serves (constancy, thoroughly tested stability) with using SID, but it's very well usable for home desktop use. In fact I had about 3 major s*cks with it in the last 2.5-3 years and I don't cosider that bad given the very nice (and still one of the very best distros in usability/update/packaging/manage
I'd mod you down, but I want to talk :) So please RTFA, the whole thing is about Ubuntu packaging generating (or possibly generating more) uncompatibility with Debian's. Which could be good if Ubuntu were so much unspeakably better then Debian Sarge/SID, which (granted, arguably) isn't (this coming from a devoted debianer, but a more devoted linuxer, having over 60gigs of linux installs constantly refreshed and regularly tested).
Now how many operating systems do Linux developers come up with? A few hundred maybe, and tens of these are "mainstream" distros. Often the basic admin tools, desktops etc. look and act differently. Is it any wonder non-technical (and even some technical) users are turned off using Linux on the desktop?
Ahem,
1). it's ok you rebel against a few dozen more distros, you could have your reasons,
2). it's pretty unclear why you rebel when one of the best and most established distros get followers (even for forking purposes).
I'd be willing to accept more forks of the best distros than dozens of small quirks, even if they are good for a specific targeted goal.
Debian will probably focus on server stuff, and Ubuntu will focus on desktop. It's a good possible symbiosis.
Thing is, not all people are breastfed by Ubundu. In fact I really don't like Ubuntu (with reasons), and I'm not alone with this feeling. And before you get angry, yes, I tried it, in fact I tried every rc and final they released up to date. What I want to say is I really love Debian (using all of woody, sarge and sid on multiple machines for years now) and I wouldn't want to loose _any_ of its applicabilities and/or functions as a workstation or server in favour of some popular distro.
you should be asking why people are getting away with depositing turds in your mailbox to begin with. Be angry, very angry
I can't, I mean I could, I was, I sometimes still am, but if there exist tools that stop the trash it before reaches me, then I'm ok. I don't have the time and and don't feel the sudden urge to start complaining to anyone regarding amounts of spam. I also don't have the time to participate in good filter development. What people can do at their level is to somewhat effectively stop the tide before it hits the front door, which I always managed to achieve for years now.
Since bigger players can't find a working solution to this problem for years now, I only can do this much and protect myself.
But I always tell when I have the opportunity that the solution to this shouldn't _just_ happen at infrastructural level (i.e. e.g. protocol) but also on a large scale at social level: make the spamming activity not worthy somehow.
they are receiving slightly more spam in their inboxes than before, but they are minding it less.
Of course I mind less, but I do because a good reason: the server I pop my mail from uses paid-for spam filtering (nothing revolutionary, but quite good), then my Thunderbird also squeezes them quite a bit. What I get at the end is below my getting-angry-about-it threshold. But, I have to tell that overall I get quite more spam than let's say this time last year. The reason I don't mind is that the number of spam I get after double filtering is _not_ higher than before.
What's wrong with the Debian running on the Mini platform? Is there any reason Ubuntu couldn't run, too?
What should be wrong with it ? I guess you're just one of those Ubunbu fanboys who think Ubuntu should be run everywhere. Why should the above listings start with some minor distros: if they say some big and well etablished distros can do it, then probably the derived others also can. This is a better formulation than the other way around.
This machine is like a stereolithography machine that works in concrete. If you don't want an identical box, then use a different design! It will extrude a concrete structure in any shape that the concrete can support.
Hell, I don't want to live in some "house" extruded from solid block of concrete. Get in there if you like, just forget me. Good old european style brick houses, that's for me. Well, if I'd be in Florida I'd stick with wooden bungalows, that's more easy to rebuild year after year - ok, sorry, that's not that funny.
they have fairly good technology," said Rollins
:] yup, and nukes can do a fairly large damage, and B. Gates if fairly wealthy, and Antartica is fairly cold, and
pity the fool who doesn't have an HDTV
You make that sound as if it were our fault that there are no HDTV channels to watch where very very very many of us fools live.
I have only one thing to say: xfs-acl. No, one more thing: xfs-acl.
Well, I remember a friend of mine and meself :) bought quite a high-end and pricey flatbad scanner a few years back. The damn thing could not be used only and only if logged in as or run-as as administrator under windows 2000 (and later on windows xp, even with updated drivers). It was pretty fun stuff since it was intended to be used in a lab where quite a few people were let in to use the equipment. I don't know what heppened to the stuff since then, but back then, people could only use the scanner when an admin was there...