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Battlestar Galactica in HD

Hauzer writes "Ars Technica is carrying news that I know will bring joy to some fans: Universal HD is going to be broadcasting Battlestar Galactica. They're going to run the miniseries and the first Season (2005) of the new Battlestar Galactica, starting Sunday night at 8PM, with HD repeats coming every week. Now if only Sci-Fi would provide an HD channel so we can watch when the new stuff airs!"

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  1. I pity the fool who doesn't have an HDTV ... by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

    ... but it still can't replace Dirk Benedict.

    1. Re:I pity the fool who doesn't have an HDTV ... by ericdano · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I miss a male Starbuck. They need a wise ass, woman chasing male in the series. Baltar works to a point, but he's so insane......

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    2. Re:I pity the fool who doesn't have an HDTV ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      fool who doesn't have HDTV?

      Unless you live in the USA basically, you can't get OTA feeds. I'm in Canada and there were no OTA feeds in any of the provinces I lived. I'm moving again in a year, and it seems like I won't have OTA feeds over there either...

      Cable carries very little channels in HD, and they're rather low quality from whay I heard...

      Satellite? We have that (it's our only real way to have anything HD), but even then it's just not good enough. I had it not long ago, and other than like 3 PPV channels (that seemed to air only the crappiest/most boring movies ever - none of the good PPVs) and a handful of US stations there's really nothing. I'm sorry, but I've never been attracted by any of those, and I'm not going to be magically interested by their content because it's in HD. And a lot of the stuff seemed upscaled, not real HD to start with... Most stuff (95% or so) was 720p, but some stuff was laughable. Star Trek (no thanks) at "D1 with a widescreen AR, then letterboxed to 4:3" if I can explain it this way, resulting in a resolution below DVD (black borders on each side) but at 60fps (it was 480x480 IIRC - same as a SVCD). And some channels (like both PBS) were nothing but demo loops 24/7.

      It'll be worth my while when the channels I currently watch are available in HD (none are even PLANNED to be anytime soon), or that HD DVDs (either standards) are a reality (player AND titles available at decent prices). Then perhaps blowing a few thousand on a HD setup may be worth something. We have no PVR solutions yet for satellite either (coming soon perhaps, like DN's 921 IRD), so until then I'd have to watch stuff at the time it's aired, and no skipping ads either. (That alone will make that I won't watch anything)

      Until then, I've settled for a nice SVGA DLP projector, and have no regrets whatsoever. It still looks surprisingly good for the few HD titles I got too. If you want to see how it looks, set your monitor to 800x600 and check microsoft's WM9 HD samples (You still get 40% more resolution than a DVD and a cleaner source).

    3. Re:I pity the fool who doesn't have an HDTV ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I miss "The A-Team" too, and you managed to quote two of their characters in one post! Nice!

    4. Re:I pity the fool who doesn't have an HDTV ... by l3v1 · · Score: 1

      pity the fool who doesn't have an HDTV

      You make that sound as if it were our fault that there are no HDTV channels to watch where very very very many of us fools live.

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    5. Re:I pity the fool who doesn't have an HDTV ... by ip_freely_2000 · · Score: 1

      You must live in Stickville.

      Rogers in Ontario carries dozens of channels in HD. All networks, sports channels, superstations and a bunch of Movie channels are all in HD.

    6. Re:I pity the fool who doesn't have an HDTV ... by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      I don't actually have an HDTV, nor do I have any plans to get one - however, I live in British Columbia, and Shaw offers several HDTV channels (less than one hundred, more than ten).

      I was just making a stab at humor, and (if you want to stretch it that far) at the FCC's apparent desire to force everyone in North America to buy a new TV.

    7. Re:I pity the fool who doesn't have an HDTV ... by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      I love it when a plan comes together.

    8. Re:I pity the fool who doesn't have an HDTV ... by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      At least somebody got the joke... sigh.. only two points of separation from Mr. T and BSG...

      Mr. T was on the A-Team with Dirk Benedict.
      Dirk Benedict was Starbuck on the original BSG.

      If I had any mod points to give, parent would have +1 funny..

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    9. Re:I pity the fool who doesn't have an HDTV ... by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      I suppose you could say that, but I was really just joking around - I don't even own an HDTV-capable unit, so ... all in good fun.

  2. Cool... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    And the hdtv divx version airs at 9pm Sunday night on bittorrent

    1. Re:Cool... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, they've been out on BitTorrent for a while.

      They showed in Britain before the US, remember? And they showed in Britain in HD already...

    2. Re:Cool... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No that was pdtv. The british version was aired at 720i instead of 1280i.

    3. Re:Cool... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have been showing in Australia in 1080i HD

    4. Re:Cool... by xQx · · Score: 1

      The series is on BT, but I'm *DAMNED* if I can find the first mini-series anywhere.
      Ended up just watching the 70s version to get the storyline.

  3. The doctor is a cylon by loggia · · Score: 4, Interesting


    Think about it.

    - The constant cigarette is a nice way to subtly - almost subliminally - throw you off. But Ron Moore and his writers have relished in making the cylons as nuanced, flawed and unexpected as the humans. A cigarette-smoking cylon is a brilliant touch.

    - One of the first things the doctor says to President Roslin is to PRAY regarding her cancer. Again, a subtle hint regarding the cylons' preoccupation with their religious beliefs.

    - As a trusted and unquestioned figure, the doctor is in an ingenious place to sabotage and manipulate the crew. President Roslin accepts the doctor's diagnosis without question (a learned respect typical in most cultures, including our own). Even if she wasn't sure, there appear to be either no or few medical doctors with more experience on hand in the fleet.

    - It is a savvy device for the writers. If Mary McDonnell - a very esteemed actor along with Olmos - doesn't want to continue in the series, she passes away. If she is in for the long haul, it turns out the doctor LIED about the seriousness of her cancer. Either way, it is organic to the writing.

    - We have seen no "elder" humanoid cylons, a strange anomaly.

    - The doctor is neither a main character nor a completely marginal one. It would come off as cheap if a character we have scantly met pops up as a cylon and it would be rather boring if another main character had the silicon implants, so to speak. The doctor is in the show enough to elicit some good surprise and recognition if he comes out of the closet... er cylon closet... (cyloset?)

    - Let's face it. The guy would make a cool cylon.

    1. Re:The doctor is a cylon by the_macman · · Score: 1

      Dunno why this was modded funny. Maybe I missed the sarcasm or something. If you're being serious I'd have to disagree with you. If he was a Cylon there would be no point in him having that 7of9 chick in his head. She's running his life. Not him.

    2. Re:The doctor is a cylon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      He's not referring to Baltar, but to the President's doctor (the one who treats her for cancer, and such).

    3. Re:The doctor is a cylon by goDzi7la · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And he's providing her the medicine that is causing her hallucinations. :)

    4. Re:The doctor is a cylon by astro · · Score: 1

      Briefly: I think you are way off. Primarily, I think the Doc is absolutely one of the primary characters of the show - I would posit that he's in a more central role than even the President.

    5. Re:The doctor is a cylon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's not referring to Baltar, but the medical doctor. He's the one telling President Roslin about her cancer in the early episodes of the series.

    6. Re:The doctor is a cylon by ParadoxicalPostulate · · Score: 2, Informative


      I believe he's referring to the medical doctor, not Dr. Baltar.

      As far as I know, Dr. Baltar doesn't even know that she has cancer.

    7. Re:The doctor is a cylon by Rickz0rz · · Score: 1
      As far as I know, Dr. Baltar doesn't even know that she has cancer.
      I thought they already told her...?
    8. Re:The doctor is a cylon by Rickz0rz · · Score: 1

      Okay... s/her/him. Yay for misguided thoughts..?

    9. Re:The doctor is a cylon by aussie_a · · Score: 5, Funny


      - The constant cigarette is a nice way to subtly - almost subliminally - throw you off. But Ron Moore and his writers have relished in making the cylons as nuanced, flawed and unexpected as the humans. A cigarette-smoking cylon is a brilliant touch.


      It's also a great way to kill the people on Battlestar. Via passive smoke.

    10. Re:The doctor is a cylon by JoshRosenbaum · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, I think she's the one that requested the "alternative" treatment. The doctor recommended something entirely different.

    11. Re:The doctor is a cylon by SamSeaborn · · Score: 1
      - Let's face it. The guy would make a cool cylon.

      I just couldn't take it if "Doc Roberts" was a Cylon!

      (Same guy played lead Doc Roberts on long-running Canadian TV show "Danger Bay".)

      Seriously tho, cool plot idea.

      Sam

    12. Re:The doctor is a cylon by babbage · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I missed a few of the early episodes, so don't really remember this character clearly. But if his name really is Doctor Roberts, and he really is a cylon, then maybe the name has a hint in the lyrics of a Beatles song from "Revolver"...

      Doctor Robert

      Lennon/McCartney

      Lyrics:
      Ring, my friend I said you'd call
      Doctor Robert
      Day or night he'll be there any time at all
      Doctor Robert

      Doctor Robert
      You're a new and better man
      He help you to understand
      He does everything he can
      Doctor Robert

      If you're down he'll pick you up
      Doctor Robert
      Take a drink from his special cup
      Doctor Robert

      Doctor Robert
      He's a man you must believe
      Helping anyone in need
      No one can succeed like
      Doctor Robert

      Well, well, well, you're feeling fine
      Well, well, well, he'll make you
      Doctor Robert

      My friend works for the National Health
      Doctor Robert
      Don't pay money just to see yourself
      Doctor Robert

      Doctor Robert
      You're a new and better man
      He help you to understand
      He does everything he can
      Doctor Robert

      Well, well, well, you're feeling fine
      Well, well, well, he'll make you
      Doctor Robert

      Ring, my friend I said you'd call
      Doctor Robert
      Doctor Robert

      Sounds like a hint to me -- "new and better man", "does everything he can", "take a drink from his special cup", etc. Fitting phrases for a fake doctor on a mission to influence the president's office...

    13. Re:The doctor is a cylon by orthogonal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What about Galatica's Petty Officer Second Dualla?

      She doesn't check in the Olympic Carrier when its disappearance is being used by Number Six to test Baltar's faith in the Cylon monotheistic god.

      She has a romance with President Roslin's aide Billy, which each uses for "back-channel" between their respective bosses, Adama and Roslin.

      And she's ideally situated on the bridge.

    14. Re:The doctor is a cylon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gaius is also clearly a cylon. six asks him, "Have you always been able to multitask like this?" an obvious reference to 20th century computing practices.

    15. Re:The doctor is a cylon by ManoMarks · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, IIRC she was diagnosed during the miniseries, by a doctor we never see and who presumably dies in the initial cylon attack. I'm not saying you're wrong about him being a cylon, just got one fact wrong.

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    16. Re:The doctor is a cylon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Try this one on for size.

      Everyone in the fleet is a cylon.

      They just aren't aware of it, being an experiment.

    17. Re:The doctor is a cylon by sla291 · · Score: 1

      of course he ISN'T a cylon. Take this as 100% granted !

      Have you seen the last episode ? The end with him and Number 6 wouldn't make any sense if he was a cylon, because there's nothing new about union of cylons... he's an human, and that's what's interesting in his relationship with N6.

    18. Re:The doctor is a cylon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "And he's providing her the medicine that is causing her hallucinations."
      Causing hallucinations, maybe, but certainly not determining the content of those hallucinations. As a strategy for manipulation, it is dependent on other influences and risky.

    19. Re:The doctor is a cylon by jnik · · Score: 1

      Um. You're trying to draw inferences based on the similarity between the title of a Beatles song and the name of a character that the actor played nearly two decades ago? Why not just plug lines into the Gematriculator?

    20. Re:The doctor is a cylon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow almost everyone who responded to this completely misunderstood... it's reffering to Doctor Cottle, not Doctor Baltar.

  4. This will be AWESOME. by Ignorant+Aardvark · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've already downloaded a HD movie in 1280x720 resolution, and it was awesome. Yeah, it's a very large file (700MB for 40 minutes), but the quality is amazing. All of the other stuff I download is typically a max of 720 wide - most are below that. I would love to watch BSG on my nice 1600x1200 monitor and actually have the video source be more than half of my screen BEFORE I maximize it.

    1. Re:This will be AWESOME. by mindstrm · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Question: is anything ever broadcast in 1920x1080?

    2. Re:This will be AWESOME. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      ABC-HD, FOX-HD, ESPN-HD, and ESPN2-HD are broadcast in 720p. Just about all other HD channels, including Universal-HD, are broadcast in 1080i.

    3. Re:This will be AWESOME. by jerw134 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes. NBC and CBS broadcast their HD in 1080i, and there are many others.

    4. Re:This will be AWESOME. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Some networks (ABC, CBS, NBC) use 1080i as their native resolution. Others like Fox use 720p as theirs. There are debates over whether people can tell the difference between 720 and 1080, but even if people can see the difference it's negligible. 720p is nice for fast action like sports since it reduces the likelyhood you'll see visual artifacts.

      I'm overly simplifying the whole thing, but yours was a simple question. :)

    5. Re:This will be AWESOME. by maxbang · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Don't know for sure, but isn't 1080i 1920x1080? All the HD channels I get are 1080i 16x9 format, so I always just assumed it was 1920x1080. I don't see how it would be anything different. Can someone with more info please elaborate? The first page of Google's results are vague and I'm incapable of clicking any further.

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    6. Re:This will be AWESOME. by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 4, Informative

      ATSC 1080i is 1920x1080, interlace scanned.

      It looks like the HDV standard is 1440x1080 though, horizontally stretched. HDV is a consumer HD digital video standard that uses standard DV tapes.

    7. Re:This will be AWESOME. by Mercano · · Score: 1

      I've started to go to Wikipedia for this sorta stuff rather then googe.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080i

      Yes, 1080i=1920x1080x60 fields (30 frames) per second.

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    8. Re:This will be AWESOME. by AveryT · · Score: 1

      HDV does not use a different standard .. nothing in the standard says you have to preserve every pixel when you record it. Even Sony HDCAM, the most common format used for professional 1080i HD production, only writes 1440 samples per line to the tape and then upsamples back to 1920 on playback.

    9. Re:This will be AWESOME. by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 1

      You mean the same Wikipedia that declared authoritatively that Marburg was "very contagious?" That little factoid, unchecked, made it into the New York Times last week. They had to issue a correction. Marburg, like all blood-borne viruses, is not very contagious.

      Don't believe anything you read on Wikipedia. It's wrong as often as it's right.

  5. Too bad not in Austin... by akac · · Score: 1, Informative

    Here we've got almost all the HD channels - except for Universal HD.

  6. supa by boomgopher · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... now my eyeballs will become chapped even faster, as they stare unblinkingly while my brain is in an infinite loop trying to figure out what the hell is going on...


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  7. Finally! by the_macman · · Score: 1

    This is great news. The rereleased Battlestar Galactica is one of the best series ever IMO. Second to Beast Wars (don't be hatin!) It's good that they're being broadcast in HD. The torrents floating around have horrible audio encoding and it will be nice to have the series in HD. =)

    1. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sounds like you've only ever seen 2 different series before. the new BG is one of the biggest piles of shite to ever hit the airwaves.

  8. Sci-Fi channel redeems itself by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was all prepared to hate this show. I really was.

    You gotta remember, this is the channel that made an even worse Dune than the trainwreck that aired in the theatres. The same guys who keep bringing you movies like "Killer Anaconda" and "Mansquito".

    They told us there would be changes, and I was ready to hate this show for that reason too. A female Starbuck? Oh, how I would hate this show when it aired. How dare they?

    But you know what? I finally got around to watching a few episodes...and it's really good! The mood is intense, the writing is good...good acting...I really can't find anything to dislike about it. It's not the same show you watched as a kid, no doubt about that - but for some reason I can't put my finger on, the changes in mood and tone and character seem to work.

    My only (very minor) gripe is the camera work. The "shake the camera around" bit I find to be a little annoying. Later shows don't shake it around as much though, so it's easier to watch.

    It's hard to believe, but Sci-Fi has a really good show here. A huge surprise, too. I even like the female Starbuck. Who'd have thought that was possible? I can't wait to see the next one, and it's been a *long* time since I've felt that way about anything on TV.

    If you can see it on HD, I'd recommend it. It's a good show and HD could only make it better.

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    1. Re:Sci-Fi channel redeems itself by Eyeball97 · · Score: 1

      ...Nods...

      Let's face it, you like the female Starbuck because she kicks ass... how popular would Alias be... or a Stargate without a Sam. Sci-Fi have taken one of the ingredients of a tried & tested recipe, and cast it just right...
    2. Re:Sci-Fi channel redeems itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strange that this exact text appeared in the TV section of my local paper (Vancouver Province) two weeks ago.

      What an odd thing to rip off.

    3. Re:Sci-Fi channel redeems itself by metlin · · Score: 4, Funny

      > I even like the female Starbuck.

      Dude, I'd like a female anything.

      Okay, that sounded desperate. Almost anything - there, better!

    4. Re:Sci-Fi channel redeems itself by NarrMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Personally, I think the new BG stays true to the orignal's intentions: A ragtag fleet fleeing from a relentless enemy trying to find Earth. The original just turned into a "oh, here's another space station/planet/whatever with problems, let's fix it and get on our way". In the new show, There's none of that. Just a ragtag fleet fleeing from a relentless enemy trying to find Earth.

      And no stupid "daggit".

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    5. Re:Sci-Fi channel redeems itself by ilyaaohell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was prepared for this show to be in the same league as all the other sci-fi shows since TNG went off the year: campy, bad acting, bad directing, lousy production design, boring storytelling... you know, all the things you can see in shows like Andromeda, Cleopatra 2525, Farscape, Stargate SG1, Enterprise, etc...

      It's amazing that Battlestar Galactica is NOTHING like that! It's actually GOOD TELEVISION! Written by REAL WRITERS! Not the same 22 year old testosterone-fueled film school grads that write Sci-Fi Channel's "monster of the week" flicks, but real professionals! Every week that I've watched a new episode, I was completely blown away. Science fiction television isn't supposed to be THIS GOOD!

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    6. Re:Sci-Fi channel redeems itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "shake the camera around" business is actually very clever once you understand the reason for it.

      Typically the effect is used when you are seeing a small, rapidly maneuvering spacecraft at extreme range. Think about what the camera taking that picture would have to be like - huge magnification (i.e. a very narrow field of view - a fraction of a degree) so the tiniest angular movement of the camera would cause the image to slew around wildly. It isn't just an affectation.

    7. Re:Sci-Fi channel redeems itself by shadowbearer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In a sense, the original urned into Star Trek :)

      SB

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    8. Re:Sci-Fi channel redeems itself by Lahiru · · Score: 1

      I agree, I was skeptical when I heard about the remake. But if you look at it, they've taken the best things about the original - the overall concept of civilization being wiped out, the rag-tag fleet, and the memorable characters - and wrapped it all up in a layer of realism that the original lacked. Yeah yeah, I know it's sci-fi; by realism I mean verisimilitude... The characters are flawed and actually change over time (look at how Roslin goes from a 'school teacher' to a cold and calculating politician), the logistical problems of the fleet are addressed, etc... The show's really in a class of its own...

    9. Re:Sci-Fi channel redeems itself by mr.mighty · · Score: 5, Funny

      The only problem I ever have with the show is I'm busy lusting after the new, female Starbuck, then she tilts her head and looks a certain way and all of a sudden she's transformed herself into Macaulay Culkin. I find that VERY disturbing.

    10. Re:Sci-Fi channel redeems itself by rubberducky · · Score: 1
      Dude, I'd like a female anything.

      Are you sure? How about female CowboyNeal?

    11. Re:Sci-Fi channel redeems itself by unithom · · Score: 1
      > If you can see it on HD, I'd recommend it. It's a good show and HD could only make it better.

      I recently got a 37" LCD HDTV. (Details here.) And all I can say is, I sat and watched a program on PBS HD about guys restoring the Iowa state capitol building and applying gold leaf to the dome, because it was in HD. Then, a poorly edited show about Milwaukee with little or no dialogue... because it was in HD.

      Sadly, since we only have analog cable, I won't be able to enjoy BSG in HD. But apparently I'll be able to tune in and watch Manor House instead!!!!!1

    12. Re:Sci-Fi channel redeems itself by AlphaJoe · · Score: 1
      You gotta remember, this is the channel that made an even worse Dune than the trainwreck that aired in the theatres.

      Excuse me while I pick myself up off the floor from laughing so hard at this preposterous statement. The rest of your post is ok, but this makes me wonder about you. Seriously.

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    13. Re:Sci-Fi channel redeems itself by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1
      He's right, you know. The movie "Dune" had some remarkable set design (in some places) and at least succeeds on a "campy" level.

      The new one was a "Let's film it in all ORANGE" mess, ahd the Paul guy was even worse than Kyle McLachtalent.

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    14. Re:Sci-Fi channel redeems itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never thought of that...

      *puts hands on cheeks and screams AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!*

    15. Re:Sci-Fi channel redeems itself by Wescotte · · Score: 1

      The only problem I ever have with the show is I'm busy lusting after the new, female Starbuck, then she tilts her head and looks a certain way and all of a sudden she's transformed herself into Macaulay Culkin. I find that VERY disturbing.

      Michael Jackson posts on slashdot!?! Wow!

    16. Re:Sci-Fi channel redeems itself by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

      Wonder away, but Sci-Fi's version lost me when they had Irulan hump Feyd.

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  9. Personally... by Eyeball97 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think this "Anonymous Coward" dude's a Cylon. Think about it... he's all over the place... I mean everywhere... and he keeps us confused by taking up contrary positions even with himself... My God I've seen entire threads where he argues with himself... Personally I think he's a pear short of a fruit bowl...

    1. Re:Personally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think this "Anonymous Coward" dude's a Cylon

      And goatse is a Cylon base ship?

    2. Re:Personally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And goatse is a Cylon base ship?

      If goatse is a Cylon base ship, then what would that make GNAA then?

    3. Re:Personally... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Personally I think he's a pear short of a fruit bowl...

      I think you've hit upon a viable method of cylon detection:

      Sound off like you got a pear!

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  10. And here I am... by thephotoman · · Score: 1

    I'm still looking for a torrent for the miniseries and season 1, so that I can have the folks at home grab it for me--or so that I can get it myself when I'm not on campus.

    Could somebody point me in the right direction?

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    1. Re:And here I am... by fgl · · Score: 1, Informative

      That would be naughty. The Man & the other man is watching.
      Bittorrent is evil & no one would Battlestar Galactica

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    2. Re:And here I am... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://torrentspy.com/search.asp?mode=torrentdetai ls&id=146326

    3. Re:And here I am... by zarthrag · · Score: 4, Informative

      Bitme TV for all of your tv-related needs. got the entire season+movie in one fell swoop.

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  11. BSG in HD in AUS by C077335 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Battlestar Galactica has been aired in SD and HD in Australia for over 7 weeks now.

    1. Re:BSG in HD in AUS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Australia, bah! You're supposed to be the 53rd state. Not the 1st!

    2. Re:BSG in HD in AUS by purplemonkeydan · · Score: 1

      And it was pretty ordinary looking HD at that. It was very grainy. I suspect it was filmed on 16mm.

  12. FCC DTV mandate. by Technician · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If the FCC wants the john Q public to get Digital Television, Why isn't this stuff on over the air local TV broadcasts?

    The original Battlestar series I watched on network TV in the late 1970's. The big thing keeping joe sixpack from demanding digital television sets is the lack of broadcast content.

    There are lots of digital ready monitors on the market and HDTV monitors, but a very small ammount of Digital Televisions. Dorm dwellers simply don't have the space for a home theatre solution nor the budget to buy a TV that includes a tuner. There are set top tuners, but they cost more than my current television. There is little incentive to spend the bucks simply because of the lack of quality content. BitTorrent is making an end run past the content/broadcastflag/overtheair stalemate.

    The FCC deadline will come and go, but market forces will simply mean the end of analog over the air is simply the end of free over the air TV.

    I'm hoping my prediction is not true, but so far, I have no plans in the future for an over the air digital television. I'll get broadband instead.

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    1. Re:FCC DTV mandate. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1
      Personally, my TV plays 99% DVDs and 1% analog over the air TV. If analog over the air goes away, I won't be missing it much.

      Of course, news, weather, sports, and all that other stuff has come over the 'net since about '97, on demand, with commercials that don't force me to wait them out.

      I think I'll be renting Battlestar Galactica, the series, when it comes out on DVD.

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    2. Re:FCC DTV mandate. by Detritus · · Score: 1
      It's going to take time. The first NTSC color television sets were very expensive (about $6000 in today's dollars), and sold in very small volumes. It took over ten years for color programming to become commonplace, and for color television prices to reach "affordable" levels.

      Assuming that they don't get shot down in federal court, the FCC is forcing television manufacturers to include ATSC (digital) receivers in new television sets. This is the same tactic they used to mandate vendor support for the UHF television band, closed captioning, and the v-chip.

      Excerpt from FCC 02-230:

      Receivers with screen sizes 36" and above -- 50% of a responsible party's units must include DTV tuners effective July 1, 2004; 100% of such units must include DTV tuners effective July 1, 2005;

      Receivers with screen sizes 25" to 35" -- 50% of a responsible party's units must include DTV tuners effective July 1, 2005; 100% of such units must include DTV tuners effective July 1, 2006;

      Receivers with screen sizes 13" to 24" -- 100% of all such units must include DTV tuners effective July 1, 2007;

      TV Interface Devices (videocassette recorders (VCRs), digital versatile disk (DVD) players/recorders, etc.) that receive broadcast television signals -- 100% of all such units must include DTV tuners effective July 1, 2007.

      Many broadcast stations are already transmitting a digital signal, although some are doing it at low-power. Increasing amounts of network programming are in HD. One of my local stations is making a big deal about being the first in their market to produce and transmit local news in HD.
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    3. Re:FCC DTV mandate. by Technician · · Score: 1

      Receivers with screen sizes 13" to 24" -- 100% of all such units must include DTV tuners effective July 1, 2007;

      I know the mandate, but in the 60's when color started to catch on, there wasn't the internet to compete with television. Due to market economics, the first generation of small sets with digital tuners will have little demand. High quality will be met by the sales of monitors and subscription content. The content providers will provide the Dish reciever or Cable box. Not many will opt for small tv's with expensive tuners when a computer monitor and a Torrent will provide better content than anything over the air.

      Drive down your street. Count the over the air TV antenna's on the roofs. The houses with antennas are the only ones in the market for a digital TV. The ones without antennas are in the market for just a monitor. The market is very small for small expensive televisions. There are too many alternatives to over the air broadcasting.

      The mandate applies to receivers, not monitors. There will be lots of monitors sold, but few receivers. It's a money saving and commercial skipping thing. The internet is making an end run past the broadcast flag.

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    4. Re:FCC DTV mandate. by Detritus · · Score: 1
      The last numbers that I saw, said that about 15% of American households relied exclusively on over-the-air broadcasting for their television reception. Even in households with cable or satellite, many have secondary sets that rely on over-the-air signals.

      Depending on who you talk to, the price premium for adding an integrated ATSC receiver to a television set should be around $50-$100 for large production volumes, and will decrease over time. There will also be cheap set-top boxes for existing NTSC television sets, much like the DVB-T boxes that are being sold in Europe.

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    5. Re:FCC DTV mandate. by Technician · · Score: 1

      Depending on who you talk to, the price premium for adding an integrated ATSC receiver to a television set should be around $50-$100

      So why aren't they doing it? All local stations starting with PBS have digital on the air. No retailer that I know of is demo'ing a receiver for it. There are walls of analog TV's showing a local channel and there are some HDTV's showing a demo satelite or TIVO channel. Nobody is demo'ing a digital tv, high deffenition or otherwise on a realtime local broadcast.

      Growing up, some got color TV's when they saw them in the local store or a neighbor had one. I remember going to the neighbors to watch the commercials. They were the first things on TV in color. Later the local stations got the equipment to produce color shows.

      Fast forward to today. I don't know anybody watching over the air broadcast digital TV even though it's been on for some time. I don't know any local retailers showing digital TV's and demonstrating them on the local broadcasts. In short, it's not being promoted in the slightest.

      Even in households with cable or satellite, many have secondary sets that rely on over-the-air signals.

      In large markets over the air is a very small fraction of the viewers. Try counting rooftop antennas. There won't be enough volume to get the price down. The high price will continue to reduce the over the air viewers. It is a niche market with little profit margin. Many people have secondary sets simply because it is inexpensive. I have seen no indication a digital TV will be inexpensive. There have been predictions, but I haven't seen any sets.

      The last numbers that I saw, said that about 15% of American households relied exclusively on over-the-air broadcasting for their television reception.

      Welcome to rural America. This part of the population will have a high priced set to buy. Many won't bother. Few will bother to get several sets. The DVD, VHS, Nitendo monitor will continue to be the older sets for some time. They can be replaced by NTSC monitors instead of a receiver. This will drive down the volume of receivers sold. Low volume does not provide the high volume price break that is expected.

      Some rural viewers have analog signals full of multipath where they could catch the evening news, but won't be able to get good enough reception to decode a digital broadcast. (Digital TV is OK with minor multipath, but fringe analog areas are digital dead zones) If they can't get broadband internet, many of these rural viewers are going dark on many channels.

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    6. Re:FCC DTV mandate. by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 1

      If the FCC wants the john Q public to get Digital Television

      You sound kind of like those guys who come along every once in a while and say things like "the Internet will never be successful until" and then something silly.

      According to the latest report from the FCC, something like 97% of American homes receive all four major broadcast networks in HD already, and something like 92% of cable subscribers have the option of buying additional HD channels. All satellite subscribers have that option, of course.

      Digital television is already here. I don't know where this "if the FCC wants us to have it" stuff is coming from.

    7. Re:FCC DTV mandate. by Technician · · Score: 1

      According to the latest report from the FCC, something like 97% of American homes receive all four major broadcast networks in HD already,

      This is done without using a digital television receiver. It uses the cable box and a HDTV monitor. Same thing with Satelite TV.

      There is a lack of Digital TV's that pick up the local channels over the air. How many of the 97% have an integrated digital TV tuner? If the subscription is shut off, do any of them have the means to watch TV (Digital, not NTSC) off the air from the local network?

      In only 2 years digital TV vcr's are to be on the market. (TV recording devices are to include a digital TV tuner). Seen any prototypes or early adopters? The deadline is well on the way, but the stuff with a tuner isn't. There are lots of monitors and Cable or Satelite HDTV TIVO type boxes, but just about nothing for a non-pay-tv subscriber.

      something like 97% of American homes receive all four major broadcast networks in HD already,

      Either I live in the wrong town, or the stastistic is wrong. Maybe they mean the signal is on the air and 97% could be able to receive it if they bought receiving equipment.

      All the networks in my area do broadcast in digital, but I don't know any of my neighbors that have anything able to receive it off the free airwaves.

      HDTV is nice, but that is NOT what the FCC is mandating. They mandate Digital television which may include HDTV. Digital TV includes a normal resolution format that is NOT HDTV. The broadcaster can put 4 channels of programme on the single channel bandwidth allotment instead of 1 channel of HDTV.

      Digital television is already here. I don't know where this "if the FCC wants us to have it" stuff is coming from.

      Analog over the air TV is going away. When it does, those without cable or other subscription TV service is then supposed to be able to watch over the air digital TV instead.

      Can you receive over the air digital TV from your local station?

      Odds are your answer is NO. Almost nobody has a receiver for over the air Digital TV.

      That's why in my first post I mentioned the lack of quality programming on over the air broadcasting. Nobody is buying Digital televisions to watch the local stations. The first season of Battlestar Galatica was broadcast over the local over the air networks. If it were broadcast on the local stations, then I may have a show worth tuning into. I like many others don't even bother with the local TV guide. I already know there isn't much on and it's overloaded with commercials.
      There used to be close to 50 minutes of program in an hour. Not anymore.

      Internet has replaced TV time for me. I watch TV if there is something on in the news and I find out about it on the radio or Internet first. (9-11 attack for example) In the future, I won't be able to watch TV simply because I won't have one unless something is done to make sets affordable.

      The absolute cheapest set I have found so far that includes a tuner (a real digital TV receiver) is still over $500. 20 inch analog TV's go for under $200.

      I stand corrected or Fry's has screwed up again. They list a 20 inch digital television receiver for under $200. It's the SHARP 20F640D and it's listed on www.outpost.com under digital televisions. Anybody want to take bets it won't pick up the local station's digital TV broadcast?

      Does anybody know for sure if it's really a Digital TV receiver? A hang on a UHF antenna and turn it on type digital TV? If so, I may have found one.

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    8. Re:FCC DTV mandate. by grumling · · Score: 1
      Does anybody know for sure if it's really a Digital TV receiver? A hang on a UHF antenna and turn it on type digital TV? If so, I may have found one.


      I doubt it. They point out that it has component inputs. So what? Most TVs sold today have component inputs now (it is an easy thing to add, since it is just an NTSC signal without as much processing). It might handle multisync (capable of 1080i/720p signals, therefore qualifying as a digital TV). But Since they say component inputs but no mention of a digital tuner (and no FCC mandate until 2007), My guess would be that it does not).

      And, yes, the 97% of households mentioned have the DTV/HD signal going through the air. Most homes don't have the ability to watch it. I'd really be interested in knowing the number of the general population who have really seen an HD/DTV signal off the air, not a demo at Best Buy. And, of course, their opinions of the signal.

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    9. Re:FCC DTV mandate. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigs are off for a reason, you fucking faggot.

    10. Re:FCC DTV mandate. by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm just tired, but your post makes basically no sense to me. You seem to be bemoaning the fact that, despite that digital television is everywhere and equipment is widely available, you don't know enough people personally who've bought new gear. Which, you know, means nothing to anybody. Personally, I don't know anybody who still watches analog television. So obviously your experience is not the way to judge.

      Then your comment is just filled to the brim with nonsense statements. You say that nobody is buying digital televisions, but ignore the fact that they are in fact selling like hotcakes. You say that the first season of Battlestar Galactica was broadcast over the air; it wasn't. It was on a network with no over-the-air affiliates. You say that "there used to be close to 50 minutes of program in an hour." That's completely untrue. The 42:30 content window has been carved in stone ever since the 1960s.

      Are you just rambling incoherently here, or what?

    11. Re:FCC DTV mandate. by Technician · · Score: 1

      You seem to be bemoaning the fact that, despite that digital television is everywhere and equipment is widely available,

      I must live in the urban back country. I have a VCR. I haven't found any VCR's or PVR's with a digital TV tuner. I do find lots of NTSC sets. I have sevral small TV's. I have not found replacement TV's that have the tuner built-in. I have seen some monitors, and a couple receivers in the high end and I have seen some set top tuners that cost more than all 3 of my televisions combined. What I have not found at any price is a small digital television. Does anybody have a small (under 25 inch) television that can receive off the air US Digital TV signals? A Digital ready monitor connected to the cable box or satelite box does not count. To count, it needs to pick up off the air local Digital TV signals.

      Please telll me about what cities in the US have these small receivers on the shelf ready to buy. Home theatre sets need not apply.

      You say that nobody is buying digital televisions, but ignore the fact that they are in fact selling like hotcakes.

      Are you talking about receivers for over the air broadcast or are you talking about digital ready monitors without a tuner combined with a cable box or satelite box? It is true and I agree that HDTV on cable or satelite is selling like hotcakes. Digital TV receivers (with digital TV tuner) on the other hand are not.

      Personally, I don't know anybody who still watches analog television.

      Now you have finaly reached my point that you didn't get. Analog over the air is being replaced by Digital. Almost nobody watches over the air analog. Even fewer are watching over the air Digital. Therefore nobody is making and selling digital TV's to replace the analog sets. That's my point. When I retire and hit the road in an RV, there will not be any way to watch the local 6:00 news. I won't have a receiver. Wardriving will replace TV.

      Are you just rambling incoherently here, or what?


      To someone who subscribes to pay TV, it may appear that way.

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    12. Re:FCC DTV mandate. by Technician · · Score: 1

      That's completely untrue. The 42:30 content window has been carved in stone ever since the 1960s.


      I was born in the 1950's and grew up in the 1960s and 1970's. I watched the erosion of program time. I watched the replacement of entire shows with infomercials. I watched the increase of re-runs. I watched shows being replaced by least common denominator mindless junk (sex and violence). I watched Sitcom's degrade from good clean fun to PG-13 rated material. I guess on the plus side, studios no longer go off the air after the 11:00 news or The Tonight Show.

      I remember getting up early on Saturdays to watch the cartoons. Saturday morning now has nothing for my kids to get up to watch. (a few months ago I checked the saturday morning line-up. Yuck.) Videogames and Internet have replaced TV. Nobody wastes time watching over the air TV anymore. It simply does not compete in this new age of media competition.

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    13. Re:FCC DTV mandate. by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 1

      So yeah. Rambling incoherently then. Got it.

    14. Re:FCC DTV mandate. by Le_Batleur · · Score: 1

      No, he's not rambling incoherently - in fact, I found myself nodding as I read it. Of course, I can only speak of the UK. But kids TV has gone to pot - the modern Grange Hill dare not be made nowadays like it was in the late seventies. And don't get me started on the new Dr Who - "It's alien ? - yeah! - are you alien? - yeah! - is that alright? - yeah!"... give me strength! I appreciate the need to change with the times - I just wish the change would be for improvement, and not for changes sake, to something inferior.

  13. usenet by poptones · · Score: 2, Informative

    I got the entire series in 704xsomething HD rips before I knew I would like it so much. I had a hard drive problem and lost a few eps, now I need to fetch them again and I find all the eps right on usenet in HD format. Check alt.binaries.multimedia, alt.binaries.multimedia.scifi, or maybe even alt.binaries.battlestar-galactica

    I don't watch much TV. Yeah it's cool universal will run them in HD, but I really feel kinda "whoopee" about it - I can download them with no commercials and watch them anytime I want. Thanks to congress and the FCC it's easier just to download them than to watch and rip myself.

    1. Re:usenet by AveryT · · Score: 1

      FYI, 704xsomething is not HD. HD means 1280x720 or 1920x1080. The other Table 3 formats are considered standard def (SD), not HD.

  14. AC's not a Dude by realitybath1 · · Score: 0

    AC's a female Cylon.
    A really hot one.
    And it rubs itself while its posting.

    Think about that next time you notice two Anonymous Cylons duking* it out with each other.

    *(u=y)

  15. It helps that Ron Moore is co-creator, though. by MtViewGuy · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think the biggest reason why the revival of Battlestar Galactica has worked so well is the fact one of the co-creators of the revival is Ronald D. Moore, the same person who did some of the very best episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.

    This is why I can't wait for the first ten Second Season episodes that will be shown later this Summer. :-)

  16. Am I the only one? by stupidkiwi · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Am I the only person that thinks the new Battlestar Galactica is by far the worst sci fi program in history?
    All they have done is take a post 9/11 GI movie, extend it, and add robots.
    I stopped watching after the first five episodes.

    1. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am I the only person that thinks...

      Yes, you are. Stop whacking off to Voyager and start watching good science fiction.

    2. Re:Am I the only one? by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude. Enterprise is gone, get over it...

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    3. Re:Am I the only one? by eluusive · · Score: 0

      I agree with you. Although the story is okay, the filming SUCKS, and the writing too. I've watched the first 10 episodes and I _STILL_ have no clue what's going on. I gave up. Not to mention, jumping around every 3 minutes to find out what joe blow is up to is irritating as all fuck.

    4. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're the sort of person who orders meal, eats everything but the garnish, then complains to the waiter that it was overcooked and tasteless.

      Nothing you mentioned just started happening in the last two or three episodes. It's been that way since the mini. So you've watched a three-part mini-series and ten episodes of a thirteen-episode season to have just now figured out that you hate the show. Not only that, but you hate it so much that you can't even bear to watch three more episodes to see how the season ends.

      That is a profound combination of inanity and willpower.

    5. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the matter? Do you have the attention span of a 6 year old? Can't follow complex stories?

      There are multiple storylines in the show. Each distinct yet intertwined with the others. Why? Cause the damn show ain't about 1 or 2 people. If you have a problem following that, then stick to your 1-dimensional, particle-of-the-week, deus ex machina, shitty-era Trek. Anything more complicated might ruin your outlook on life.

    6. Re:Am I the only one? by mogalpha · · Score: 2

      If only I had the karma to mod you down...

    7. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should try watching more. I was undecided on the series until the very end of the first season, at which point I decided I liked it, despite disliking most of the characters.

      I mean...the viewer knew she was a cylon, but damn...that was just unexpected. And harsh.

    8. Re:Am I the only one? by ivano · · Score: 2, Insightful
      well, do you like "the West Wing"? do you like "Six Feet Under"? If no then i know where you're coming from: You have no taste in well scripted, well acted television.

      No for me the new BS is probably some of the best TV out there. I have no way of knowing if either of us is more right than the other. But I do know that if this wasn't a science fiction show it'll be up for a few Emmy's.

      ciao

    9. Re:Am I the only one? by Evil+Pete · · Score: 1

      Quite possibly you are. It is an extremely well written series. The story line had me perplexed at first (cos I couldn't see where it was going) then I realised what SF story it was based on ... and that only made it more brilliant.

      OK. Spoiler Warning (kinda): hollywood has trashed this story many times but I'm talking about the original novel now, goes by the name "F-----------". Think about it, it makes so much sense. Suddenly the Cylon plan is both clear and surprising.

      Its almost as intriguing as wondering when someone is going to ask the big question that everyone (human) in the series is in denial about: "Why did the Cylons rebel?"

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    10. Re:Am I the only one? by grumbel · · Score: 1

      ### Am I the only person that thinks the new Battlestar Galactica is by far the worst sci fi program in history?

      Maybe you are the only one. For all its faults Battlestar Galactica was quite fun to watch for the first few episodes, not best scifi ever, but definitvly one of the better ones around. I agree that it got more boring and weird from episode to episode, so I mostly lost interest at end of season1, it all was just to much Cyclon playing mindgames and not much else. However compared to some other stuff its still reasonably good and far from being 'worst ever', its however neither 'best ever'. It simply started out far more interesting then it ended. We will see if they can make it interesting again in the second season, but I am sceptical as to how far they can stretch the 'run from cyclon' part out, especially since Battlestar Galactica already has a heapload of Cyclons on board...

    11. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, how could it be the worst? It's better than the old one. Try and find any SF show from the sixties/seventies that you've never heard of I'll give you 4:1 odds that it's worse.

    12. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I appreciate the fact that there are crew members, and that every one of them is having a personal crisis at all times. I don't have trouble following that, I just don't care about their personal problems.

      I don't care that it's Starbucks time of the month! I don't care that the mechanic is having a fling with the asian cylon chick. I don't care that Madam President is dying from cancer!

      If I wanted interpersonal drama, I'd goto the best. I'd go read Shakespeare. No, I want science fiction. So get to the Science Fiction, and leave the drama out of it.

      The best science fiction will always be in books! Just because you've been watching crappy Science Fiction and have had your expectations reduced does not make Gallatica the epitome of science fiction! It's not even good science fiction television!

      The New Battlestar Gallatica should be on prime time television next to the rest of the soap operas!

    13. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know nothing of me. It's funny how you result in personal attacks because I dislike your favorite Sci-Fi. You probably liked Babylon 5, and it sucked too. Your fanboyism for crappy low-budget sci-fi is unparalled.

      You assume I have JUST NOW figured out that I don't like it? Actually I hated the filming from the beginning. I happen to be reasonable enough to give the show a chance to make sense. It didn't, I finally gave up on it.

      With the amount of drama that Gallatica contains, it should be on daytime television next to Days of Our Lives.

  17. Forget the HD... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    I want to know when the first season is going to hit DVDs. My video tapes are starting to wear out. :)

    1. Re:Forget the HD... by aleatory_story · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, it is out on DVD... in the UK, at least.

      http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007L6SA 8/202-8389048-6566215

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    2. Re:Forget the HD... by duffahtolla · · Score: 1

      HD is a higher resolution than DVD. For those who like BSG and have HD TV's, it probably a must have.

    3. Re:Forget the HD... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      ... in the UK, at least.

      Hmmm... I see a disturbing trend here. Isn't the USA supposed to be first in everything? ;)

      Any guess as to when the DVD will pop up in the US? Amazon USA doesn't have a listing for it yet.

  18. Was it filmed on super 16mm or 35mm ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Because HDTV will actually make it look WORSE if it was done originally on 16mm...

    1. Re:Was it filmed on super 16mm or 35mm ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Apparently the pilot was done on 35mm and then the series was shot directly on HD video, so HDTV broadcast should look fantastic:

      format wars heat up as reality opts for new strains of standard-def video
      but more dramas shoot on Super 16 film

      High-definition certainly makes sense for effects-intensive shows. Sci Fi Channel's recent remake of the seminal 1978-79 series "Battlestar Galactica" shot its pilot on 35mm film then switched to HD when it went to series, set for a January debut.

      "HD is about a whole new creative medium that's out there for us to explore," "Galactica" cinematographer Stephen McNutt says. "We just have to understand how to control it creatively, and there are lots of things about it that you can control on-set, in-camera and in post."

      "Galactica" is one of 10 fall series being finished in HD on the Avid DS Nitris system at Modern Video Film, where president Moshe Barkat notes that he is still seeing a lot of filmed series come in.

    2. Re:Was it filmed on super 16mm or 35mm ? by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 1

      The West Wing went to Super 16 this season. Nobody noticed. The new Kodak stock is amazing.

      But this is not relevant because, as already pointed out, Galactica was shot in HD.

  19. Australia by quinkin · · Score: 1
    Here in Australia all but one of the channels standardised on 1080i DVB broadcasts, rather than (my preferred) 720p.

    However a lot of the content is still only broadcast in Standard Definition, or at best upsampled.

    Q.

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  20. Two Words by CountZer0(QAW) · · Score: 1

    Tricia Helfer

    1. Re:Two Words by Dionysus · · Score: 1

      Grace Park

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    2. Re:Two Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. I'm not into the statuesque model chicks. I much prefer cute girls like Grace Park and Kandyse McClure.

    3. Re:Two Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's one of the problems I have with this show. For months I heard people here and there screaming shit about Star Trek's technobabble and babes-in-catsuits, and how BSG was much better.
      So I took my p2p client and downloaded the miniseries then the first season (they don't air it in my country). Well, dear BSG producers, let me tell it straight:

      1. Shooting and photography suck. You're so enslaved to the recent fashion of making dark/shaking pictures even when not needed that the final result sucks. I can barely stand the fake colors, but don't try to fool me saying that the "parkinsoncam" shootings seem more real, unless real means being on crack 24 hours a day.

      2. The characters are complete innatural asses. I agree that the typical Star Trek characters are too soft, but after a complete season I realized that I still don't know shit about any single BSG character. They're less soft that ST ones only because they're so empty and bad.

      3. The whole show is empty. After a complete season, let alone a few shots in the very last episodes, we don't know anything about other ships and other people. Ironically we don't know anything about life aboard the Galactica itself as they show the same places and characters over and over. A single DS9 episode shows more stuff than the whole BSG season. Heck! Even a single Voyager episode does!

      There's a lot to show, but they insist on wasting time with this idiot sex addict doctor and his Cylon babe? Guys, I'm not debating who is hotter between Tricia Helfer and Jery Ryan, but one thing I'm sure is that the Borg runs circles around the Cylon when it comes to acting.
      If you absolutely need a babe to get viewers at your show, please, at least get one good at acting. Thanks.

      Let the flames begin...

  21. Two Words in Response: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Massive Erection

  22. Finally by Mercano · · Score: 1

    Finally, a reason to get an HDTV. At least, if I could get one at a reasonable price.

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  23. Battlestar Galactica in HD by secolactico · · Score: 4, Funny

    Battlestar Galactica in HD

    Pfft. Big deal. I've had Battlestar Galactica in my HD for quite a while now.

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  24. Doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doctor Who?

  25. Ob Sienfeld ref by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 1
    It's also a great way to kill the people on Battlestar. Via passive smoke.

    Dastardly. I bet he's also removing the desicants from their clothing. Imagine in 3-5 years when all Galactica's shirts are noticable dank and musty...

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  26. Two More Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bodacious tatas!

  27. How to get Universal HD? by ilmdba · · Score: 1

    I've had DishNetwork for years, and loved it. But from what I can find online, there are no indications that Dish will pick up Universal HD (or BravoHD, which is a variant of it I believe)

    I've read that Dish won't be picking up any new HD channels until they switch to MPEG4.

    Anyone know if this is true? If so, I may drop Dish and switch to DirecTV.

    Also Voom, which was an all-HD network, appears to be defunct now.

    1. Re:How to get Universal HD? by duffahtolla · · Score: 1
      There is still some hope for Voom.

      Dolan pledges to keep Voom operating

    2. Re:How to get Universal HD? by RocketRay · · Score: 1

      No, there isn't:

      Voom's website says they're shutting down.

      And the board of Cablevision voted 15-0 to shut it down, including Chuck Dolan.

      I'm a long time subscriber. This sucks!

  28. The end of Season 1 and there are babies already?! by bitrex · · Score: 1

    The Cylons and humans are having babies already and it's only the end of Season 1? Don't the writers know that bringing babies into a script pretty much universally means the death of a series? Oh yeah. Where's Muffy the Daggit?

  29. Re:The end of Season 1 and there are babies alread by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't the writers know that bringing babies into a script pretty much universally means the death of a series?

    I guess that means you aren't looking forward to V: The Second Generation.

  30. Yes by FullCircle · · Score: 1

    It looks like you might be.

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  31. What year are you living in? by Viewsonic · · Score: 1

    HDTV's can be bought for around $400 now. The huge 50"+ ones are just over a grand now, instead of five. Hell, they sell more HDTVs at your local Best Buy than they do crappy 4:3 sets. Pretty soon you wont even be able to get a non-HDTV set. I really don't know what you mean by "reasonable" - Do you mean FREE? Because I keep saying people say "If they weren't so much, id go buy one.." .. THEY HAVEN'T COST A LOT FOR THE PAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS. GO BUY TWO OR THREE ALREADY! Yeeesh!

    1. Re:What year are you living in? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The $400 HDTVs are mostly non-widescreen, so you don't get a real HDTV-quality picture. You need to go up to about $700 to get that.

  32. The Best Sci-Fi Series, Ever? by BigYawn · · Score: 1
    The BSG Project was our last best hope for peace...

    It failed.

    But in the year of the Cylon War, it became something greater: our last, best hope for a decent TV show....

    1. Re:The Best Sci-Fi Series, Ever? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and pandoras box was opened for the second time, and hope left us. BSG turned out to be a huge pile of manmuck.

    2. Re:The Best Sci-Fi Series, Ever? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BSG is a complete crap.
      Want a very promising SCI-FI series? Watch Stargate Atlantis and you won't be disappointed.

    3. Re:The Best Sci-Fi Series, Ever? by rockhome · · Score: 1

      I am taking your claim about Atlantis to be humorous. Stargate Atlantis is an interesting premise, but like many interesting premises, it doesn't carry the premise far enough past the stock episodic format. Episodes in Atlantis generally take the form of discovery, twist, resolution, denoument.

      I would argue that BSG takes this a step further by putting greater emphasis on the overriding "arc" of finden Earth and escaping the Cylons. Further, the emphasis on the theology of Cylons offers an aspect outside the stock adventure series. Realizing the Cylons as motivated by theological beliefs rather than mere revenge creates a villain with far greater depth than Atlantis' Wraith, or even any of the "big bads" from Buffy.

      Certainly, BSG is not a prefect show, but as far as contemporary science fiction is concerned, BSG has improved upon the genre.

  33. Re:The doctor is a cylon (Spoiler?) by twilight30 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No, I think that would be too obvious.

    ===spoiler???===

    My money is on Lt Gaeta.

    In the finale he hands Boomer something, and the camera pauses momentarily on the 'handshake' just prior to her shooting the Commander.

    Also, just after the 'handshake', she says to him, 'Thanks' -- and it appears to be entirely apropos of nothing, as it doesn't quite fit the short conversation they've just had about Apollo's mutiny.

    Think about it.

    - Who does Boomer dance with in the closing scenes of Colonial Day?
    - During the mini he says he's never plotted a successful jump before. Then in 33 -- five days later -- he's done 240? Without a hitch?
    - Who exonerates Baltar in Six Degrees of Separation? (Which has a fairly obvious reference to that Kevin Costner movie No Way Out as well)
    - Again in the mini, Gaeta is talking with Tigh about locating the Cylon transponder on the CIC. The former says, 'It's been there a week or so. I just never took any notice of it ...'

    ---and another thing---
    I really like seeing the soundman during Starbuck's shooting of the museum case! (He's wearing a red shirt and a dark vest, on the right)

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  34. I agree. (SPOILER) by katharsis83 · · Score: 1

    SPOILER for episode 7 or 9, forgot which one.

    -----
    Now, with that out of the way. I'd have to say I that I agree with you, but still have my doubts During one of the episodes (I finished watching all 13 episodes from the British torrents), he gets set up by the Cylon lady in red who whispers to him; at the end, he's exonerated when he prays to God and agrees to work humbly for the Cylons.

    The key thing is, after this, NO ONE, will dare challenge his integrity again. I think at the end of the eps, the Cylon who whispers to him says the same thing. He basically has carte blanche run of the ship, because he's walked through the fire and everyone trusts him.

    BUT...the thing is. Why does he need to be a Cylon? He's already capable of wreaking havoc on the humans; he's the VP of the damn colony. A traitor is a traitor, it doesn't matter if he's human or originally a Cylon. Both means serve the same end.

    What could the Cylons potentially gain if he was revealed to actually BE a Cylon ?

  35. Re:The doctor is a cylon (Spoiler?) by odsock · · Score: 0
    - During the mini he says he's never plotted a successful jump before. Then in 33 -- five days later -- he's done 240? Without a hitch?

    well, the point of that episode was that they had to jump every 33 minutes. so that counts to something like 1500 possible jumps in 5 days. other points sound good though.

  36. 1440x1080.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1440x1080 isn't exactly the HDV standard. that is to say, it wasn't standardized by HDV... HDCAM format (F900, 750, etc) samples at 1440x1080 with nonsquare pixels, then stretched by VTR on output, iirc. 1920x1080 format "size" is misleading, since it's sampled at a smaller size and then stretched, not to mention all the chroma data that gets tossed out during compression. UltraHD is where it's at ;)

  37. What about the changes? by Pinwiz11 · · Score: 1

    Yes, but no one made BitTorrents of the US version with the new theme song, credits, and possibly less censorship than the Sky One broadcasts.

    1. Re:What about the changes? by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 1

      Are these changes listed anywhere?

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    2. Re:What about the changes? by NaruVonWilkins · · Score: 1

      What's this "less censorship" thing? The Sci-fi versions haven't been less censored that I've seen. I've got the DVD and the British TV version of the pilot, and they come out to exactly the same length. I've seen both the Sci-fi version of the show and I have the British downloads. No difference that I've seen. Am I missing something?

  38. Wrong doctor :) by Shivetya · · Score: 1

    He is referring to the medical doctor, not baltar.

    As for Cylons why not the communications lady?

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    1. Re:Wrong doctor :) by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1
      "He is referring to the medical doctor, not baltar. As for Cylons why not the communications lady?"

      Why not every single human on the show is a secret Cylon?

      This is part in jest, but the only way I can think of to get out of the "cliffhanger shocker!" from the end of the season is to bring in the Cylon clone of the person affected.

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      Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
  39. What novel? by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1
    "OK. Spoiler Warning (kinda): hollywood has trashed this story many times but I'm talking about the original novel now, goes by the name "F-----------". "

    What was this novel's original name? Or the author? I can't say I've ever heard of it. The title you have given is basically ungoogelable, so it remains a mystery.

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    Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
  40. Boob bait for the blue states by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ' well, do you like "the West Wing"? do you like "Six Feet Under"? '

    Liking Wsst Wing tends to be a political thing, with its left-wing actor playing a left-wing president. It is for the half of the country that wants Clinton back (and thinks Bush is an imaginary president), and snubs the half of the country that likes Bush instead (they think Bartlett is an imaginary president). The liberals I know love it, and the conservatives ignore it. The opposite is probably true of shows like "JAG".

    Look at "West Wing" as "boob bait for the blue states", but not "boob bait for the bubbas."

    1. Re:Boob bait for the blue states by ivano · · Score: 1
      it'll be interesting to know what makes west wing so left wing in your view. if it was right wing would you expect the POTUS to be shooting endangered species in the oval office and all his advicers to be born again christians? i look at west wing as a really good science fiction show, i also expect the POTUS to behave like that whether they were right or left wing. i don't really see anything that POTUS does on the show that would immediately brand him as a north-eastern liberalm but then i'm not that smart

      ciao

  41. The new series is a piece of stinking garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a series that is actually worse than the first one. Plot is pathetic, acting horrendous and their ridiculous use of current earth technology (wired telephones that look like they were just purchased at Target).

    Hello! At least the first series tried to make their tech stuff look like it was different than anything you would see on earth.

    I hope the series dies.

    1. Re:The new series is a piece of stinking garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello! It's supposed to be that way. They're battling supercomputers that can hax0r them if given the chance. That's the whole reason BSG survived and the other battlestars didn't. Apparently it's hard to hack a target phone.

  42. My take on the new BG by nathanmace · · Score: 1

    40 years ago the cylons left and were never heard from again until the mini-series. During those 40 years the Cylons found Earth and were "embraced" by the humans.

    The humans of Earth have made several advances since the other humans left Earth a long long time ago to go to Kobol (sp?). For example, the humans of Earth have master cloning. That explains why there are copies. It also explains why Helio and Boomer were able to concieve. The human looking Cylons are really cloned Earth-Humans who found the robot cylons decades ago and decided to manipulate and control them somehow.

    So now the the BG crew will finally get to Earth, only to find it is the Cylon home base! That is my take on it, it may or may not be correct. What do you think?

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    1. Re:My take on the new BG by substance2003 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think that the colonials have unknowingly had contact with earth. Just looking at the clothing these people wear, feels like I could meet civilians dressed the same at any accountant's gathering. The structure of the goverment and military also strikes alot like any of today's military.

      They must have also learned earth's english language because they talk like they just came from there. How else would they have ended up with common names like William and Lee Adama or even Laura Roslin?

      The people that did the old BSG show had at least the common sense to try to use a few terms such as centons and yahrens instead of hours and days to try and make it sound like they are not people of earth and the use of single names while a little strange, still made a difference.

      I don't want to sound negative towards this show, I like it alot despite the flaws. I just have a hard time looking at these people with the belief that they are from a distant star system.

    2. Re:My take on the new BG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The crafty Cylons have Universal* translators.

      *a subsidary of NBC/GE

    3. Re:My take on the new BG by substance2003 · · Score: 1

      Honestly, if you're not going to be serious about what other people have to say, perhaps you shouldn't say anything.
      Universal translator indeed. They much have gotten a cultural and hierarchy translator as well then.
      I tend to think they had a restraint budget to explain the fact that everything ressembles to much like present earth but hey, that would have perhaps been an intelligent thing to talk about rather then a fictif no nonsense translator.

  43. next: "Days of our Lives" on HD! by bobalu · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry, I tried to watch it but I couldn't get through ten minutes. And I'll watch some real crap. :-)

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  44. Is Gaeta a cylon? by Picass0 · · Score: 1

    I've been comming to the same conclusion. And you missed a few things.

    Gaeta plotted the jump that carried Boomer and Crashdown's Raptor to Kobol. Boomer shouts something about "Damn you Gaeta!" when the jump lands too close to the planet. Clearly he played a role in Boomer finding the lost colony. And right after Boomer left, the cylons found it.

    Gaeta has been an assistant to Baltar's cylon detector project. If Gaeta is a cylon it would make sense that he would want to monitor the progress Baltar is making. I often wonder why Baltar's Six wants a working detector (it's not for outing Boomer. We already passed that oportunity) but when Gaeta bailed out Baltar we can assume other cylon interests for a working detector.

    the cylons are all so busy fucking each other over, I think there will be a cylon civil war at some point.

    1. Re:Is Gaeta a cylon? by twilight30 · · Score: 1

      You're right, especially about the first point. I thought Gaeta did it so close almost in collusion with Boomer, as it throws suspicion off -- if anyone on the Galactica is even paying attention; I suspect they aren't.

      Jury's still out on the detector, mainly because Gaeta hasn't even done any work on it, and because Baltar hasn't seen fit to entrust results to anyone else, staff or no.

      I especially think you are right about the Cylon civil war idea. Don't know how, and certainly don't know exactly why, but it's bound to be very interesting.

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    2. Re:Is Gaeta a cylon? by grumling · · Score: 1
      I especially think you are right about the Cylon civil war idea. Don't know how, and certainly don't know exactly why, but it's bound to be very interesting.

      It is so that Baltar can assume his rightful place at the throne of the Cylon empire, by bringing order to the force or some such nonsense.

      Geesh. Too easy.

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      "Well, good luck finding a judge that doesn't run a bestiality site."
    3. Re:Is Gaeta a cylon? by twilight30 · · Score: 1

      Actually, the speech Six gives in the finale makes more sense in light of the things Baltar's been doing. Specifically she refers to Baltar's role as protector of the new hybrid children between Cylon/clones and humans.

      And Baltar has been assuming Christ-like poses (literally) for quite a long time now ...

      I know many of you think it's corny or nonsensical but I get the distinct impression Moore's had a lot of fun writing this stuff.

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  45. Re:The doctor is a cylon (Spoiler?) by MindStalker · · Score: 1

    HU?
    Assuming we are using a 24 hour a day, 60 minute an hour clock.
    24*60=1440 minutes a day.
    1440/33= 43.63 jumps a day.
    43.63*5 = 218.18 jumps.

  46. Re:What novel? SPOILER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I imagine he's talking about Mary Shelly's novel *Frankenstein, or, The Modern Prometheus*. Mind you, I don't see how this really relates to the Cylons' plan, which is clearly to become or even replace humans entirely.

  47. OT: Reality using SDTV by DarkEdgeX · · Score: 1

    There's a reason for that-- those shows aren't watchable more than once and the producers know it. I recall reading an article where they were discussing the syndication value of network dramas and sitcoms, and someone said that reality TV would never sell in syndication well, "nobody will syndicate/buy this dreck".

    Thusly, they "film" on SDTV because it's cheap and the content being made only needs to be shown once (maybe twice in a rerun).

    BTW: I still hope reality TV dies, and soon. That shit is awful.

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  48. Exactly, it's like a sci-fi soap opera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess with DS9 gone, they had to fill the void.

  49. This would matter if I had an HD TV by OSXexpert · · Score: 0

    Well, I don't own a TV that is HD enabled, so it is good thing that they realize a rollout period for 90+% of the viewers needs to be non HD enabled. I don't think I'll be buying a HDTV any time in the next 3-5 years.

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  50. No, HDV is a multi-standard... by Kjella · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...just like HDTV. The first HDV cam was 720p, it is a HD stream format for DV tapes.

    "What is HDV?

    A MPEG 2 recording format allowing recording of 720p and 1080i formats.

    1080i format consists of 1440 x1080 pixels, sampled 8 bit 4:2:0 and then compressed 60 to1 to tape. Data rate of 25mbs

    720p format consists of 1280 x 720p sampled 8 bit 4:2:0 Data rate of 19mbs

    The inter frame compression takes place across 6 frames.

    1920 x1080 signals (YPb Pr) by "upconverting" 1440 x1080 to 1920x1080.

    The HDV standard was established by Sony, Canon, Sharp and JVC.

    How can 25mbs compete with 185mb of HDCAM?

    Pinnical Solutions suggest that a 50mbs MPEG inter frame compression is comes close to 185mb HDCAM (which uses intra frame compression).

    Also HDCAM records 1440 x1080, not 1920x1080.

    Generally the picture becomes softer as you progress down the line of HDCAM SR to HDCAM to DVCPRO HD to HDV. So called I-frame compression is about 2.5 times less efficient than IBP but is easier to encode, decode and process. So an HDV image encoded at 25 Mb/s (IBP) is roughly equivalent to an I-frame image encoding of about 60 Mb/s."

    source

    So, the resolution is actually the same. The effective bandwidth is about 1/3rd of professional HDTV cameras, but about 2.5 times a DV cam. Considering how much commercial work can be done in SDTV (e.g. all of Europe has almost no HDTV to speak of), it is definately prosumer bordering on professional.

    Kjella

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  51. hidef quibbles by poptones · · Score: 1

    704 something is standard DVD resolution but I pointed out I got these BEFORE I knew I would like the series. If you had bothered to look in the groups I mentioned you would see some very large hi-def rips available.

    Torrents are great if you have the full time bandwidth available. Not all of us do, I could never get a high enough "quality" score to get a decent place in the queue; it's easier just to pay ten bucks a month for easynews and know one can get a sustained 4-5MBps without any games.

    1. Re:hidef quibbles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are no high def quibbles. There is no 704 by anything resolution that is high definition.

  52. Who wouldn't want that? by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1
    "It is so that Baltar can assume his rightful place at the throne of the Cylon empire, by bringing order to the force or some such nonsense."

    Based on the old show, Baltar has the coolest swivel chair imaginable.

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    Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
  53. yeah.. by way2trivial · · Score: 1

    my 'friends' father wouldn't speak to him for a while- (live a few hundred miles apart) not beacause he was angry at his 'son' for downloading the show, but because he didn't want his 'son' to spill ANYTHING about the ending.

    how depressing, my 'friend' could have saved his father so much pain....

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  54. Re:The doctor is a cylon (Spoiler?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HU?
    43.63*5 = 218.18 jumps.


    They haven't been moving for 5 days, but rather (130.35 Hours / 24) = 5.43125 days.

    5.43125 * 43.63 = 236.965438 jumps.

    God bless sci-fi trivia.
    Next we can debate why all of the paper is octagonal.

  55. Re:The end of Season 1 and there are babies alread by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

    Well, currently only 1 Cylon is pregnant at the end of Season 1 and she's still on Caprica.

    I have to wonder if Starbuck will bring her back to the Galactica. While many people on the tvtome forums think so, it's a bit out there. Starbuck's already learned from personal experience that Cylons are heller strong and the ship they're in is puny. The Cylon could easily overpower her if she wanted.

  56. Re:The doctor is a cylon (Spoiler?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In addition, in the mini, he is the one that delivers the message about the armistice station, to which they don't respond. After which he mentions serving under Adama for 2 years, which IIRC, is the same length as 6 had been with Baltar.

    There's also the fact that he seems to have a finger in every pie on the ship. He's seemingly responsible for 75% of what goes on.

  57. I have just one thing to say... by John+Pfeiffer · · Score: 1

    alt.binaries.hdtv

    All the 1080i and 720p videos you could want. And likely to be the first place those are posted after they air. Enjoy.

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  58. Re:The doctor is a cylon (Spoiler?) by MindStalker · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the clarification, though I was more disagreing with the poster that said 1500 possible jumps. That would be a jump every 5.214 minutes.

  59. Re:The doctor is a cylon (Spoiler?) by odsock · · Score: 0

    hehe, well that'l teach me to do simple math at 3am!

    I think I was figuring 33 jumps ever half hour over a single day. :)

  60. Re: Battlestar Galactica by maverick41 · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, it's a VOOM exclusive...

  61. Re:What novel? SPOILER by eluusive · · Score: 1

    How about Foundation? Though I fail to see how they're very similar.

  62. Re:What novel? SPOILER by Evil+Pete · · Score: 1

    Tsk tsk. Common guys this is a classic of literature. Google for Mary Shelley.

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  63. just another *drama* (not SF) series by cas2000 · · Score: 1

    > Realizing the Cylons as motivated by
    > theological beliefs rather than mere revenge
    > creates a villain with far greater depth than
    > Atlantis' Wraith, or even any of the "big bads"
    > from Buffy.

    well, yes, it's true that religion tends to encourage genocidal behaviour but the religious emphasis is what really makes the show unwatchable for me.

    i find it hard to believe that technologically advanced humans with interstellar travel capabilities and colonies will have such primitive superstitious beliefs, let alone the AI machines.

    robots believing in a god? get real. it's just not credible.

    > Certainly, BSG is not a prefect show, but as
    > far as contemporary science fiction is
    > concerned, BSG has improved upon the genre.

    no it hasn't. it's just another turgid drama dressed up as science-fiction, with way too much tedious theological garbage.

    like ST:TNG etc, it's just another soap opera in space....although a very different kind of drama, far more inter-character tension (in fact, that's about all the show has, and that gets very boring, very fast).

    SF isn't about who is bonking (or not bonking) who, or the tensions between characters - it's about the ideas, it's about extrapolation of social and other trends, it's about exploring the possible. BSG has little or none of that.

    1. Re:just another *drama* (not SF) series by Moofie · · Score: 1

      So you don't like it, and therefore it's Bad.

      I suppose that a robot could be programmed to believe anything its creator found to be advantageous. Veneration of that creator could be a helpful conceit. Not credible? You're OK with the starships jumping around from star system to star system, but you can't swallow that a robot can be programmed? Uh huh. Methinks your preconceptions about religion are coloring your judgement. That is, of course, your prerogative, but you sound pretty silly trying to make that be the reason the show is bad.

      BSG is not science fiction. It's space opera, and damn fine space opera at that. Sure it's a genre piece. That doesn't make it bad.

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    2. Re:just another *drama* (not SF) series by cas2000 · · Score: 1

      > So you don't like it, and therefore it's Bad.

      no. it's the other way around. it's bad (but not bad enough to be amusing or entertaining...it's just tediously bad), therefore i don't like it.

      > I suppose that a robot could be programmed to
      > believe anything its creator found to be
      > advantageous.

      where's the benefit to the programmers/creators to do that? if they did, it obviously backfired because they ended up with genocidal robots....if they had watched 2001 they would have known it's dangerous to confuse AIs with irrational and conflicting information.

      > You're OK with the starships jumping around
      > from star system to star system,

      of course i can - it's supposed to be science fiction, after all....and they are star ships which kind of implies that they can travel from one star to another.

      > but you can't swallow that a robot can be
      > programmed?

      not at all. of course robots can be programmed. that's not even science fiction, that's science fact (and the only kind of robots we currently have).

      what i can't swallow is that an artificial intelligence could, without pre-programming, observe the universe and conclude that there is a god or gods responsible for it all and that those god(s) actually care in the slightest about insignificant creatures & machines on an irrelevant world in the middle of nowhere (on a cosmological scale, ANYWHERE is irrelevent). that kind of conclusion takes either pre-programming (machines) or brainwashing (humans, same thing) or it takes both ignorance AND wishful thinking - and i don't see any reason to believe that an AI would have both of those traits (especially the latter).

      > That is, of course, your prerogative, but you
      > sound pretty silly trying to make that be the
      > reason the show is bad.

      no, it's not why the show is bad. the show is bad because it's crappy soap opera. it also coincidentally happens to have a space setting (note: this is NOT the same thing as space opera).

      the religion thing is just what makes the show unwatchable for me....i might be able to tolerate yet another crappy soap opera in space (in lieue of decent science fiction) but boring theological crap masquerading as science fiction in a soap opera is beyond my ability to stomach.

      > BSG is not science fiction. It's space opera,

      no, it's soap opera that happens to be set in space, not space opera. there's a difference.

      > and damn fine space opera at that.

      it may or may not be good soap opera (personally, i think it's tedious), but it's certainly not space opera of any kind. sure, it has excellent production values and a fairly large budget. so what? they aren't required for good SF (or for good space opera either). it's lacking in science, it's lacking in good writing, and both of those are required for good SF.

    3. Re:just another *drama* (not SF) series by johnm_10 · · Score: 1

      I don't see why you guys are jumping to conclusions, then debating them.

      This "god worship" is still part of the mystery.

      We don't know if they were programmed to believe this way, or if the cylons actually found some sort of proof that -they couldn't logically deny- proving (to them anyway) that god, in fact, does exists and has an agenda for them. We also don't know if perhaps their creator or cpu or whoever is running these robots could have just taken the name of "god"; not to mention many other possibilities that I can't think of right now.

      An additional twist is that the president mentioned she thought, by studying scripture, that everyone's entire existence is caught in some sort of infinite loop that they have followed before and will follow again.

      The talk of gods is generally part of the fantasy genre, but has been mixed with sci-fi many times in the past. Why now would someone decide that a storyline is no good because of this?

    4. Re:just another *drama* (not SF) series by Eccles · · Score: 1

      robots believing in a god? get real. it's just not credible.

      "Then where do all the calculators go?" --Kryten, "Red Dwarf"

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      Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
    5. Re:just another *drama* (not SF) series by Moofie · · Score: 1

      I'm not going to get into this with you. You've obviously had a bad experience with religion, and therefore All Religions Are Evil. I'm not going to take the time to argue your articles of faith.

      You don't like BSG. I think it's pretty entertaining. If it makes you feel better to think that you're better/more informed/more erudite than I am, then you're welcome to do so. You probably won't even be able to hear my snickering.

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      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
  64. Mormons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And it appear Mormon philosphy and indoctrination of todays youth takes one leap forward.

    I know people say they enjoy this show but the thinly, gossamer, veiled Mormon idology makes me puke!

  65. hello AC by poptones · · Score: 1

    Compare side by side a HD rip of the pilot to the DVD and try saying that.

    If a rip is made from hidef, it is a rip made from hidef, period. A rip made from SD (even digital) cannot compare to a well made rip made from HD, even if the rip is resized to DVD rez.

    Idiot.