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The House Building Machine
thelastguardian writes "With 400,000 American construction workers injured each year, and a typical American house takeing at least six months to complete, house building had been the same tiring gritty job for 20,000 years. For this problem, Behrokh Khoshnevis has a solution: A Robotic House Builder. An eight feet tall and six feet wide phototype house building machine, with ceramic mixing ability/computer control back-end, is currently building solid walls inside University of Southern California. To add to the excitement, even NASA is evaluating the machine as a builder on Moon using moondust- Who said moondust is useless?"
That's amazing! It makes me feel naight beeg doow wop wohah!
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USC is in a poor part of town. I imagine in time they'll want to use these robots to fortify the walls of the campus to keep everyone else out...
Too funny.
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it will be before humans have no jobs left to do
Now if we can get machines to mine automated and then use them to construct factories that can create mining machines, our potential is incredible. Exponential growth by automated mining/construction is the future of space colonization.
Man, Neight feet tall, that's humongous! Almost ine feet!
In my hometown, we have a corporation called Hobart. Back in the day (1930s-1950s) they made steel houses. They were all one piece as the left the shop, and were set up on site. Theres still about 15 of them left. It was the first time we ever got international headlines. These were no trailer homes either... think two story three bedroom / kitchen / living room. The only problem is once you get a crappy owner they can start to rust, and then you have to side it. It should be illegal.
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Wake me up when we've got robots who can stand in line for us at the unemployment agency.
This think looks like a giant plotter, I bet if they did something like this in Japan it would involve 50 foot Mecha. At the very least it could have looked like that mover off Aliens.
once we have the robots that make robots and the robots that make factories and the autonomous gun shooting robots then we may have some trouble in the near future. I doubt the construction bot will do much because the unions will halt it. it would just remove too many jobs.
If we were smart we'd keep creating jobs. We could be building millions of housing units on mars now if we shuttled thousands of robots, and we need humans to design the house and remotely control the bots.
I'd say that Moondust still has to prove itself to be useful. The moon is still pretty much an uninhabitable place.
typical American house takeing at least six months to complete,
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I'm not going to be happy until we have machines that generate images of naked girls and show them in my office. Wait a minute...
thelastguardian asks: Who said moondust is useless?
I don't know about useless, but these crazy people seem to think lunar dust is a dangerous, pressing concern!
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We could also build underwater or underground before going into space. When can we start work on our underground or underwater cities? Being a construction worker will be fun again.
If you want a bare concrete wall 'house', fine. What about elec, water, sewage, cable lines? Fixtures? Foundation? There is much more to a house than 4 bare concrete walls.
Nice proofreading there, Zonk.
Union contstruction workers work mon-thurs then on friday, they go and protest/picket the non-union company that got the contract for renovating our local college. I can't imagine workers being too thrilled with a robotic replacement.
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Contour Crafting is a fabrication process by which large-scale parts can be fabricated quickly in a layer-by-layer fashion. The chief advantages of the Contour Crafting process over existing technologies are the superior surface finish that is realized and the greatly enhanced speed of fabrication. The success of the technology stems from the automated use of age-old tools normally wielded by hand, combined with conventional robotics and an innovative approach to building three-dimensional objects that allows rapid fabrication times. Actual scale civil structures such as houses may be built by CC. Contour Crafting has been under development under support from National Science Foundation and Office of Naval Research.
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... but, wow:
... and a typical American house takeing at least six months to complete...
A neight feet tall and six feet wide phototype house building machine...
That's some amazing editing!
400,000 injuries and I'll show you 399,999 happy ambulance chasers...
"There is much more to a house than 4 bare concrete walls."
The homeless people will take it.
What if someone hacks into it and I wake up in the morning to find everything walled up? Computer controlled robots building stuff all over the place sounds scary.
Still, with the help of a few gold blocks those unemployeed builders could have a great career as Lode Runners, destroying all the bad walls for us.
There's another solution to this problem. Employ migrant workers from Mexico. No, this is not a troll/joke. This is just how it works whether you like it not. Been to North Carolina lately ? I'm not sure how this has happened and why there are so many Mexican's in that state but they're saturating the construction market, it's unreal. They're not paying into unemployment insurance or getting health benefits, but they work tirelessly and cheap.
Who needs high tech inventions when low-cost illegal manual labor solves the problem at a fraction of the cost ?
These guys are proping up our housing market and overall economy and we give em how much respect ? Yep, we've got the minutemen on the border trying to snipe them as they cross over.
In a post 9/11 world, house building machines are NOT allowed to be near construction sites,
nor are they allowed to be taken on airplanes...
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mhey took our jobs!
Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
From TFA: A wall alone does not make a house. A contour crafter would also need to insert plumbing pipes, electrical wiring, and ventilation ducts in walls as it builds them. The prototype can't do that, but Khoshnevis sees that as a trivial problem
Yeah, it'll be trivial to take an 8' tall by 6' wide robot that lays concrete, and fix it up to dig and lay a foundation, run cable, wire, dry-wall, plaster, hang windows & doors, install carpet, install cabinets, etc. etc. A robotic housebuilder would essentially require a superstructure encompassing the house. The self-building cranes they use for high-rises are just for the I-beams - everything else is done by hand, and the frame for a house is the easy part - it goes up in a day or two for even the largest houses.
What about the small stuff? How is the robot going to keep the first wall plum while it starts on the second?
I think Dr. Khoshnevis needs to watch a few episodes of This Old House before calling anything trivial.
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how does it lay down windows?
I can say this becuase I used to be one.
...because most likely a majority of the "400,000 Americans" injured in home construction projects are illegals / migrant workers. My fiancee, who works in a Walgreens, sees Hispanic construction workers coming in all time because they can't go to the hospital in fear of money or deportation or whatever. They would come in with nails in their hands and eyeballs, and would do all they can to try to get back to work as quickly as possible, because they know they can be replaced with other migrants with the snap of a finger.
So while construction conglomerates have a ready supply of migrant workers, there's little incentive to invest in robots to replace them. (Unless you're talking about making manufactured homes or something like that, then robots may make more sense).
There are a huge number of yeast infections in this county. Probably because we're downriver from the bread factory.
"With 400,000 American construction workers injured each year"
So, his idea is to replace 400,000 injured construction workers with 400,000+ unemployed construction workers?
Just as long as when they start building walls on their own, they don't take the practices of some of my sims playing friends. They have a tendency to build walls, but no doors.
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I for one welcome our new wall building overlords.
The TV show The New Inventors featured a wall building robot last month:
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http://www.abc.net.au/newinventors/txt/s1300261
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I built a cedar shed in my backyard today. I could have purchased a pre-made one for the same price, but I had a great time building it myself with a pile of wood, nails, a plan, and the help of my father in law. It's good to be active. It's good to work hard once in a while.
Did you even RTFA?
This is like a 3d, concrete printer. You program in the structure you want, it makes it. Why the fuck are you suggesting that this will result in LESS variety?
Oh that's right, I forgot the FUCKING RETARD thing.
This is just what the suburbs needed, more identical boxes.
Of, for crying out loud! Why do moderators mark someone "insightful" when they obviously couldn't be bothered to RTFA?
This machine is like a stereolithography machine that works in concrete. If you don't want an identical box, then use a different design! It will extrude a concrete structure in any shape that the concrete can support.
With this technology, fully custom housing becomes affordable.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
"A billion people today do not have adequate shelter," he says. Using soil dug from the building site and stabilized with cement, the contour crafter could erect inexpensive dwellings customized to a family's needs.
Oh yeah, it's obvious that a robotic house builder is the only solution for all those poor people living in tents. Can it make coffee from cow dung?
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Could this result in a move to a more socialist government?
In Soviet Russia, the robots are the proletariat.
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http://www.abc.net.au/newinventors/txt/s1300261.ht m
URL to a page about a prototype of a machine which will be the hub of an automated bricklaying process.
"Drawing on his mechanical engineering skills, he started working on finding a way to automate the process. However, he says, he only got serious in 1989. It then took him 14 years and five prototypes to create the Mortar Machine - half of the technology needed to automate the bricklaying process."
Surely this is one area where humans are cheaper than robots...
I just moved into a new block of houses (renting) a couple of months ago. 6 months sounds like a *very* long time - I've been here about 7 weeks and the brick homes that were just being started when I moved in are "almost" finished.
It would seem that the finishing is what takes the longest, though... fittings, wiring, plumbing, windows, tiles, carpeting, cabinets, kitchen, etc.
IIRC the frames went up in just days, roof/walls in a few weeks. A big new house was built next to my parents place; being a "kit home" it looked like a mostly finished house on the outside in less than a month...
While there is no truly safe job, construction can be pretty dangerous. On the up side, it's sometimes pretty decent paying for blue collar work.
I think the effort needs to be put into safer construction tools. Nail guns, circular saws and table saws are all good places to keep improving. There's a guy trying to sell a design that stops a rotating blade in milliseconds but the table saw makers simply aren't interested, despite the current litigious environment and the fact that table saws are the #1 source of injuries.
Firstly how about rather than wasting lots of time building fancy robots to do the job, introducing proper health and safety regulations and *ENFORCING* them?
Secondly you are never going to eliminate injuries completely. Even in an office environment you get injuries; paper can cut quite badly. Therefore the figure of 400,000 injured workers is meaningless, as there is no indication of the seriousness of the injuries, and neither is there any indication of the number of people working in the industry.
More like, he wants to make it possible for more people to afford houses at all, and for people to afford better houses than they can with conventional construction methods today: Houses built by people whose job changes from risking life and limb, to supervising machinery that builds a better product faster.
Man, I can't believe all the luddites chiming in on this discussion.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Though I have had some really tough "gourmet" cheese before...I wouldn't want walls made of it.
Still IMing in the stone age?
Who the hell wants his house walls built only from concrete ?? It is the worst material - bad thermo isolation, heavy, and you can NOT tear down your house easily after its lifespan (do not lauhg, this IS often big problem!). Not to mention you are unable to do some small changes inside of your won house after 5 years, because IT IS ALL ONE BIG BLOCK OF CONCRETE !!
Yes, if such a thing becomes big (which I doubt, based on no evidence whatsoever), then there will be higher unemployment in this field, and the number of people replacing them in other fields (fields related to these robots) will probably be less. But, society has survived through plenty of changes much bigger than this.
At work, we're facing a similar problem. We're a newspaper, and we have an online edition. Currently, we have a database driven system for articles, each with a unique ID. so basically every article looks the same. However, the main section pages are done by hand each time, for customability and design purposes. Next year, though, our tech department (which is highly undeserving of the name, from one geek to all you) wants to have even that portion of the site be all automatic DB driven templates. It would cut out between 3-4 man hours a night, but it would lose all customabilty, all uniqueness. It's a decision we face, and it seems similar to this problem of cranking out identical decisions. When do we let efficiency override creativity and uniqueness?
Yay! Free robots!
Right now the prototype builds a wall which is pretty cool. But how well will this scale to a whole house (or row of houses as the article claims)? Will you need to keep on replenishing its supply of bricks and cement? There still has to be some amount of labour getting this stuff to the machine in such a way that the machine can actually use it.
...is what we really need. Some sort of device that scans text for common spelling errors--perhaps even grammar errors--and corrects them. A robot that could check spelling. It will never happen...
But imagine if it did... Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these--no word need ever be misspelled again!
But seriously, folks. Plastic.com has a built-in spell-checker. Why doesn't Slashdot, at least for the editors? Or, better yet, why don't we have literate editors?
NASA is evaluating the machine as a builder on Moon using moondust- Who said moondust is useless?
Sorry if this is redundant, pain to look over all previous comments.
My answer to the question is:
"Everyone who will end up dying because moondust walls fail. Meteorites?"
Someone set us up the bomb, so shine we are!
Robots building houses? That's swell but even better would be robots building houses who are actual robots!
Then Professor Frink's plan will be a reality:
Professor Frink: Well, as you can see, when the burglar trips the alarm, the house raises from it's foundations and runs down the street, round the corner to safety... *house burns*
It's so frickin' tall, there ain't even a NUMBER for it!
Yikes!
Seriously though, the reason its so important for us to sort out this whole filesharing mess now is not because of music or movies, but because the day when 3d fabricators because cheap enough to be the 2nd home printer is fast approaching. When you can fabricate anything, and all you need is a file from a filesharing network, what will happen to the economy?
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Most risk to building underwater is building its self.
Most underwater stuff it built on land and shiped into place.(The cost) The reason where there is only one underwater hotel. And only repaired under water.
Now if they can build under water with robots less problems and cost. Final stage setup the enviroment good test ground for Nasa.
I knew /. tended to be slightly slower in posting stories than many of the the smaller, more agile blogs out there, but a year and a month late is just a bit much.
The Minutemen aren't sniping illegals. They are patrolling the border and alerting Border Patrol agents where to find them and in some cases detaining them. It's too bad they aren't sniping them.
It could do great things on earth too:- Surely as part of an automated construction process the added cost of custom designs will be exactly that - the cost of a new design. The actual manufacturing process has no added costs for unique designs assuming that they use similar material content - ie overall size. This sounds like an opportunity for suburban estates in which each house is built to a different design - and hurrah to that! The contouring process allows for curved outer and inner surfaces with any amount of detailed patterning, the machine could easily construct flying buttresses and emplace ready made gargoyles along your guttering should you be interested in that mediaeval cathedral look. Remember that we are moving from the age of uniformity of automated production to the age of uniqueness of automated production.
If the interest in the use of mass production line robotic jeans making machines to make unique designs to your measurements is anything to go by, then there should be plenty of interest from people wanting to buy a custom designed house that they themselves have designed - or at least chosen the design of. This becomes a more viable proposition when you have a mass house production robot that completes the process quicker and at lower cost than current methods.
I can see this technology being adopted by the builders of high values properties as well as use in quickly building shells for low cost housing in disaster areas. On the other hand as with so many breakthroughs in technology it could be 15 years before the process is in mainstream use...
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I counted nthree different spelling errors!
You've got to be kidding me!! Come on Moderators! The guy obviously did not read the whole article. It clearly states that they have already thought about how to implement the elec, water, sewage, cable, etc.
The vessels used for the molten steel contain an inner lining of "fireproof" bricks (to avoid melting the vessel. Despite the "fireproof" quality of those bricks, this masonry still needs to be redone quite often.... and, guess what,... nowadays robots are used for this task!
What a perfect first post. After struggling ("what the fuck? ... oh okay... wait, uhhh what???") through the article summary, you really captured the mood.
Hazleton, Pennsylvania??
Aren't one of these houses protected? And didn't F.L.Wright design one of these homes?
I swear I saw this whole thing on tv before.
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There was a similar sort of machine called the 'Mortar Machine' on the ABC show, 'The New Inventors'.
Pretty cool idea, and useful too with considerable miniaturisation effort.
This thing is a whole NEIGHT feet tall?!?!! Damn, I didn't even know there was such a big number. Well heck, I often can't remember what comes after three in countin'. But neight feet tall... That must be pretty big!
With the proper use of AI (sim-city type + GA and/or Neural nets for aesthic testing), architecture and city-planning libraries and simulations, it should be possible to automate the construction of entire cities (even finding aesthic placements near natural resources).
One could imagine sending these things out to distant worlds far in advance of our arrival.
When we arrive to our new utopia, we can just add a reactor or two, turn the lights on and move in, en mass.
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what about cardboard homes. I mean essentially the peson who lives in it can set it up.e s04.h tml
http://www.housesofthefuture.com.au/hof_hous
Simply put, if you replace people with robots, you have to either accept job losses, or ramp up production and move those people into supervisory jobs. If the people aren't suitable for supervisory jobs, or production at that level is unsustainable, there will be job losses.
I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I'm not saying that's a good thing, I'm just saying that that's the way it is. Just look at the car industry for an example of people losing jobs to robots.
It's official. Most of you are morons.
"So if I invented a magical cure which fixed all known diseases then I suppose I would be irresponsible because I'm putting all those medical professionals out of a job?"
Well, if your invention is truly "magical", then not only the medical folks, but the whole scientific community is going to have some explaining to do, as will religious leaders.
If your invention is not magical, well, major discoveries have been made before, and the world has gone on.
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Hmm, I'm not sure that all construction workers would be needed to supervise the robots. The vast majority would probably have to find new employment.
The builder rakes in a decent amount by his standard, the taxpayer takes it up the ass when said illegal and its familia blows into town to use services which they don't pay into. Need to pull an Eisenhower and do repeat of his operation wetback, followed by huge fines for corporations and citizens who hire illegals. Personally, I'd like the fine to be that the person/corporation has to pay for all the services(medical, housing, schooling, .. you name it) used by their illegals. Oh, don't forget paying damages to the citizens that were bumped for xyz service because of the illegal getting it instead. This doesn't help the citizen that dies from getting bumped but maybe it'll keep services from closing down like the six hospitals in California that were closed because of illegal alien drain.
From TFA,
"This concern is nothing new," says Khoshnevis. "When the automobile came along, people said, 'What will happen to all of those horse-carriage drivers?' But technology that makes sense typically brings dramatic social changes for the good. This is no different."
What? Horse-carriage drivers will just drive the automobiles. Why is he using a flatly odd statement like that? The analogy to reach for is buggy whips and blacksmiths.
Automobiles got more people employed because they used more people to build. He's being shifty. Why?
Khoshnevis is inspired by the technology's potential to build dignified low-income housing. "A billion people today do not have adequate shelter," he says. Using soil dug from the building site and stabilized with cement, the contour crafter could erect inexpensive dwellings customized to a family's needs.
Those billion people don't have a labour shortage problem. You can build cement stablilized soil structures without that robot right now. Parachuting building-bots in will do nothing for the vast majority of people living with inadequate shelter. He's talking more smack, and again, Why?
This machine can bring western-style housing costs down, which is a significant virtue. The lost labour issue is significant, but it may be balanced out by making housing - a big cost that affects everyone - much more affordable. He can make a serious case, but he's not talking about it that way and that raises a big red flag.
What amazes me, is why not edit minor spelling errors to at least make the archives search friendly.
A search for eight (or is it a new 8/9 number) prototype will not find this article.
Add an Edit: tag to say spelling fixed.
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Pretty soon there will be more houses then people that are above the poverty level and can afford the.
Saw a device that does this already about a month ago on TV as seen here http://www.abc.net.au/newinventors/txt/s1300261.ht m
While having a robot build my house is pretty darn cool and all, I have to wonder what all the construction workers would do should this ever take off. I mean being a construction worker isn't exactly the ideal job - so where would that leave them? Or the economy for that matter? Millions of people suddenly unemployed? That sounds like the beginning of a revolt.
I guess its a sort of good thing that this will be vapoware, for now at least.
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Too bad they haven't invented a spell-checking robot yet.
Oh, wait...
No one is going to beable to afford to live in the suburbs in a few years anyway. Oil prices are going up and up, driving to work is going to cost almost as much as you make in a day. Even with new discoveries of Oil demand is quicly out growing supply.
We are going to have to start living closer to where we work and shop.
Anyway building robots has been done, japan is already well ahead in this field.
This robot is quite useless, most of the work in building a home is the finshing work, roofing, wiring and plumbing. Who wants their entire house to be a damp basement anyway. I guess this is targeted at warm dry climates.
Now build a robot that can do drywall, plastering, sanding and painting and you would have something.
Bare wooden walls can already be factory made pretty dam quickly and go up in hours.
What we really should be focusing on is making homes really energy effiencnt and focus on more liveable apartment buildings.
God, root, what is the difference?
Thanks to CAD, new "factory" homes are very customisable. All the roof truss shops in our town use CAD, the broad design is done and the software does all the fiddly stuff and spews out a cutting list which gets fed to automated cutting and assembly equipment). My uncle (who works in construction) hates it because the designs get more and more complex each year, and he sometimes thinks that the designers are "playing video games" rather making simple, solid weather proof roofs.
As for walls, he's more impressed with the lightweight foam modules. Rather than lugging and lifting heavy, potentially dangerous stuff around, you build something from large foam blocks and then pump it full of concrete.
Both methods will (for a long while I'll bet) be more practical and of higher quality than on-site methods like the wall builder: Builder assemble light weight foam foundations that are then filled with concrete (pumped in), then an automated crane (think those log harvesters) lifts in and secures prefab sections.
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"Everything is adjustable, provided you have the right tools"
"Unless of course, there is no demand for their labor, thus no "other work" for them to do."
Write more free software which foreign companies will then use to kick our asses.
"Of, for crying out loud! Why do moderators mark someone "insightful" when they obviously couldn't be bothered to RTFA?"
Because the moderators don't RTFA.
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i've heard my father tell about such machines for a long tiem now, he's seen one 20 years ago, and i can only assume it's still the same problem:
you can only build one specific house, or you've got very limited possibilities to change what it builds.
it's great for cheaply building a lot of similar houses, which you can sell to people not having to much money, but that's about it, the making of such a machine for each house you wantto build (if you want the houses to be not identical) outhweighs any advantage you'd get out of it!
anyone read that manga called 'Blame!'? it reminded me of the builders from that
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Exactly. If anything, you'll probably have the exact opposite problem - suburbs that have all the community feel of the Vegas strip. When your house can look like _anything_ and still cost peanuts, we're going to have the architectural equivalent of the first couple of years of the DTP revolution - and weren't those an eyesore?
Homeowners' associations will mutate. The weak will die as their heads explode from the riot of design. The strong ones will turn feral and roam the suburban streets, kicking over trash cans styled after the reign of Ramses II.
So the solution to te 400,000 American construction workers injured is to simply replace all contruction workers with robots. Problem solved not more injured construction workers.
Next they must start working on the unemployment issue.
Patent use of concrete extruder to make schools, use of concrete extruder to make offices. Patent making window holes using concrete extruder. Patent concrete extruder with stone chipping attachment. Patent concrete extruder with sharp corner making attachment. Patent concrete extruder with hole proder for making lighter walls.
Better still, wait a couple of years, patent making houses with a concrete extruder, attach it to your abandoned (really failed) earlier patent applications, wait ten years till nobody can remember who invented what then sue sue sue!
While the article does state that they plan to have the device lay pipes, wires and ducts as well as cement walls it is my experience that these are not where the cost of construction lies.
I'm currently nine months through an 11 month project to build a house and frankly the time spent raising walls and laying pipes has been small in comparison to the laying of the foundations and the huge number of "finishing" jobs. Without these the output of these robots may be functional but is doomed to look rather industrial.
These days the framing for a wooden house is designed on a CAD system, cut by robot, shipped in segments and can be erected in a day on a well laid foundation. Hanging internal doors takes nearly as long as putting the frame up!
Perhaps robots like this will catch on for rebuilding in disaster areas but until they can construct aesthetically pleasing cabinets and fix the architrave around a doorway I don't think they will have much utility in the mainstream construction business. For the jobs that it does this robot only replaces relatively cheap labour and getting in a bunch of guys with hammers has a significantly lower capital cost and is much more flexible.
If intelligent life is too complex to evolve on its own, who designed God?
affordable."
Huh?
Form in place is faster, easier, and ends up costing more.
Also, who is going to design these custom houses? Better get off your asses SW doodz and put in a proposal for CAD package to go wid da cam...
Nobody says moondust is useless. It's one of the reasons to GO to the moon. First off, regolith is excellent radiation shielding; every lunar habitation plan from early sci-fi on includes burying the habitat.
Next, it has oxygen that can be liberated. Also, it's very rich in minerals. There are plans that have been worked up for years that take regolith and energy (from solar arrays or nuclear) and put high-grade iron, nickel and other elements out the other side, using some chemicals that are recovered in the process so it continues as long as you care to run it.
With this technology, fully custom housing becomes affordable.
Yeah! Now I can... now I can... oh wait, the bank/lender still won't give me a loan because this doesn't change my age (22), and they don't think I can make a house payment when I've never had a problem paying a rent payment on my apt for nearly 2 freakin' years.
does that make you a pedantophile?
Man, I can't believe all the luddites chiming in on this discussion.
Hey you're absolutely correct. In fact, all those people commuting from their homes to the cities in the morning could, in the future, be replaced with robots and there would be no more massive amounts of morning/afternoon casualties from those long commutes.
Man, stupid luddites, they're all dying just to make money.
"There are times when one would like to hang the whole human race, and finish the farce." -Samuel Longhorne Clemens
Of course. And you should also thank all those criminals for keeping police officers, lawyers, judges, and jailors in job. Not to speak of the indirect jobs which come from building jails, court buildings and police stations, producing police cars and prisoner transport cars, making police uniforms and handcuffs,
So if you would find a way to completely stop crime, you'd clearly be irresponsible because you'd put many people out of work and even kill whole industries.
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There was an article in the February 2005 issue of Popular Science. The article was about Inkjet technology being used in new ways. For example, a 3d printer to prototype new products, and this house "printer". The house printer is buried on the third page if you are only interested in that part of the article
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So, we need:
A robot to grade the site - level the dirt off.
A robot to dig the foundation.
A robot to do the walls (in progress).
A robot to do the interior finish work.
A robot to do the exterior finish work.
And a really ANNOYING robot to run around with a megaphone yelling at all the other robots "Four Hours! We only have FOUR HOURS until the family gets back!" and "Mr. Robotic Bus Driver - MOVE THAT BUS!"
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Seriously, give the amount of pre-fabrication that can be done on a conventional house now (wall segments, roof joists, and floors built at the factory and shipped out), I wonder if a concrete extruder is the best way to go - perhaps building a human-controlled crane with more dexterity to raise the pre-fab wall sections, and a computer-controlled wall-nailer, and so on would be a better approach to achive rapid and cost-effective house construction than a house-sized 3D litho rig.
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Here's a New Scientist article talking about the same guy and the same technology. The only thing that's new is the fact that NASA is considering it for moon bases.
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Yeah, just like cars have become really affordable now that they've automated the manufacturing process with robotics. Maybe next they'll automate beer production to make it almost free.
This machine is like a stereolithography machine that works in concrete. If you don't want an identical box, then use a different design! It will extrude a concrete structure in any shape that the concrete can support.
Hell, I don't want to live in some "house" extruded from solid block of concrete. Get in there if you like, just forget me. Good old european style brick houses, that's for me. Well, if I'd be in Florida I'd stick with wooden bungalows, that's more easy to rebuild year after year - ok, sorry, that's not that funny.
I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I can think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do.
What will we do with our Mexicans now?
Edison was building "pre-fab" concrete homes in 1907. But his ultimate design was singularly ugly and dispiriting even as low-income housing. The simplest of household repairs and remodeling were a nightmare. Why Dolores Chumsky Hates Thomas Edison
Let's see, can someone tell me the difference between our jobs being outsourced to India, or construction workers' jobs being outsourced to robots? According to the no-real-credibility self-proclaimed economists, the major thing fueling the "recovery" is housing.
So, if they loose their jobs, who the fsck is working in this country, other than nurses' aides, pizza deliverers, burger flippers, and CEOs?
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The thing about this is that it doesn't really do anything. Building a house is not just building a wall. This is like pouring a concrete wall that only takes two days out of the 90 day process. This machine will have to be setup, fed materials, cleaned, taken down, and transported to the next site. It does absolutely nothing new, it only does it in a more complex way.
In the early 1900's the Sears Catalog used to sell build-it-yourself houses for around $2000. A lot of them are still inhabited.
This robot squirts 4" wall increments. Gimme a break...
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Germany has styrofoam blocks that set-up entire house walls in one day. Of course, US UBC precludes its use.
The 24 Hour House Project, San Diego 1983, is proof that it is not lack of technology holding back cost or productivity.
Styrofoam isn't sexy, requires no skill and eliminates jobs. Robotics is just sexy, hence
No one said it was useless. They said it's potentially dangerous. Geez, didn't you RTFA you linked to?
If a job's not worth doing, it's not worth doing right.
That's not a baseball bat. It's a mechanical pencil.
And you're having considerable difficulty getting your fly open to 'release' it.
Simply put, if you replace people with robots, you have to either accept job losses, or ramp up production and move those people into supervisory jobs.
Yes. It's a giant filtering process, that filters the adaptable smart people to the top, and drops the duds down to the bottom.
It isn't that hard to be a WalMart greeter, and there's room for improvement in the performance of the greeter function at WalMart.
So what's the problem again??
No one is going to beable to afford to live in the suburbs in a few years anyway. Oil prices are going up and up, driving to work is going to cost almost as much as you make in a day. Even with new discoveries of Oil demand is quicly out growing supply.
Actually, nobody will be able to afford, or want, to drive to the city in a few years.
I see a growth market in technology to break up all that cement and plant grass and gardens in the former cities.
It'll suck to own all that formerly valuable Urban land, but then the city types have had their time to harvest profit.
The kind of workers this would displace aren't exactly highly paid or highly skilled workers. The money saved by the more efficient work will open up plenty of extra jobs for unskilled labor. Maybe instead of constructing a McDonalds they'll have to ask people whether or not they want fries with that, but at least they'll have air conditioning.
Those with more skill would still be needed. Sure, a robot might be able to handle a straight course of brick or block, but most houses I've seen have windows and doorways. Yes, a skilled mason will have to adapt and learn how to direct robots rather than laborers, but that's something which can be done.
Until we actually achieve strong artificial intelligence even an unskilled worker is going to have something he or she can do better than a computer. When true AI comes around this will of course change, but the whole economy is going to go through a tremendous overhaul at that point anyway. Depending if you take the optimistic or pessimistic view it means either that we'll no longer have to work at all (for a living, anyway) or that we'll become slaves to the machines themselves. But either way, we're not there yet, and having machines that can do specific tasks like builing houses if anything brings us closer to the optimistic point of view.
They'd still have to pass inspection to be lived in, so it's not as if the walls are going to cave in and kill everyone simply because it was built by a robot. If the build quality sucks, it'll be condemned unless it's correctable.
It was found that small aluminium structures attracted all the wicked tornados. Then you will have these flying all over the place. Shoot. Look at all the mobile homes in OK, and West texas. No wonder it is the heart of tornado alley.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Well crap.
I'll never use humans to build my house again, that's for sure -- I bet those robot built homes don't leak like mine does.
With 400,000 American construction workers injured each year, and a typical American house takeing at least six months to complete, house building had been the same tiring gritty job for 20,000 years.
Injured as they may be, they at least had a paycheck with which to feed their families.
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Thank you. You said that perfectly.
These contour crafters have come up in the news several times in the past couple of years, and as an architectural student they always make me shudder. The point being, as the grandparent mentioned, that contour crafters "extrude a concrete structure in any shape that the concrete can support" but only in shapes that concrete can support. Concrete is a fantastic material and has a lot of different design possibilities, but it still has serious limits. Good architecture responds to its environment and concrete is simply not the best choice for every environment. Imagine you're designing a beach house -- no matter how many windows you punch through the concrete wall, you'll never be able to capture a sense of light and airiness from the solidness of concrete. Glass and wood and metal have so much more flexibility in this situation.
My other objection to contour crafters is that I would not want to live in a house whose concrete exterior is printed "in a brick, shingle, or clapboard pattern" and whose interior is painted "using ink-jet technology," as Mr. Khoshnevis muses in the article. This sounds horribly artificial and sterile -- not to mention plain ugly. And I strongly suspect that the fakeness of these finishes would appall even the type of Modernist architect who is most likely to design for concrete and otherwise embrace this technology. Modernism is all about rejecting the arbitrary styles of the past and building using a material's real nature -- dainty little stamped shingles have nothing to do with the nature of concrete. So contour crafters, at least as Mr. Khoshnevis is envisioning them, end up alienating just about all design-oriented architects, from the traditional to the Modernist. (The type of architect who is only interested in throwing up big-box retail outlets or new subdivisions is another matter.)
None of these objections stop this from being a very exciting technology. I just hope they keep improving it for at least ten years before they use it to make anyone's house. And I hope that they retain humans to install these houses' finishes. There are simply some things that no machine (no machine built in the foreseeable future, at any rate) can do as well as humans can.
Khoshnevis points out that the exterior trowel could be followed by a rolling die that prints a brick, shingle, or clapboard pattern in the wet concrete
Wow, this is even less useful than I first thought. Painted on brick? That isn't going to look good.
The current budget and trade deficits are about to come to a head. Basically, to keep attracting money to the states, the prime interest rate will have to rise above 10%. When it hits 5%, and home interest rates hits 9%, then construction to come a real crawl.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Queen Victoria died in 1901. In 1910 the UK had two monarchs, Edward VII (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, died 6 May), and George V (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, changed name to Windsor). So I guess your house is more rightly known as Edwardian, or Georgian. Me, also sitting in a Georgian house I suppose - 1729 built, George II :-)
Making cement housing shells just isn't that hard. Edison did this a century ago, using moulds that lock together. It's done routinely for industrial b buildings. If there was any market for concrete houses, it would be done for them.
Right. Tell that to the plumbers, electricians, tapers, etc.
Maybe you could build a bunker. Or a house in a country where simple, cement-block houses are acceptable, but in those instances it isn't the labor that's in short supply, it's the materials.
Simply put, if you replace people with robots, you have to either accept job losses, or ramp up production and move those people into supervisory jobs.
Or you create new jobs for unskilled laborers.
In fact, all those people commuting from their homes to the cities in the morning could, in the future, be replaced with robots and there would be no more massive amounts of morning/afternoon casualties from those long commutes.
You say that as though it's a bad thing. Sure, it might require some changes in the economy, but a world where no one is required to work is a good thing.
In a factory, it is possible to automate a tremendous amount of things because the factory is always in the same place and the functions are all the same. One piece is machined and another one parallel to it and their pallets borught over to another area and then welded and then that assembly attached to another and so on. Parts are supplied just as needed to each device or the device goes nowhere. A lathe cell is programmed to expect stock of a given size, not random sizes. Etc.
The way to do it with houses would be to create a giant multi-bot factory with gantry assemblies and so on and one by one, load stock, machine the stock, fasten in place. Then transport the finished house (by whatever means someone can) to its site and connect it to the utilities.
Onsite robotics will eventually fail before the problem that all robots for production would fail before: inconsistant environment. The technological advancements needed to make it work would almost obviate their reason for being in the first place. It makes more sense economically to have all the automation in a controlled environment.
I'm waiting for nanotech and genetic engineering and understanding of molecular biology to come together where we grow biomechanical houses that process our sewage output, absorb ambient energy and store it, and are self-healing. Some day, we might have cities that take in more pollution than average cities of today put out.
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...who builds the machines which build houses?
Sounds about right.
Won't somebody think of the architects? What does the HBAA(Home Builders Association of America) think about this? Are they trying to have it banned?
Except from the point of view of religious zealots and others would seek to control people. A job -- either actually useful and in demand, or "make work" artificial -- keeps people busy and usually under somebody's thumb.
Some people really believe that "idles hands are the devils tools", but IMO, future self-sufficiency (with nanotech and other huge efficiencies) will eventually allow for a leisure society as long as the theocratic tragedian "suffering is good" idea doesn't get in the way.
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I highly doubt that there are actually even 400,000 "American" construction workers, let alone that many who get injured. That is, if you define "American" as a citizen of the United States of America.
You know we have to leave that to the chicks. If we do it, or by proxy have our robots do it, we will catch hell...
The reason that it can be true that 1+1 > 2 is that very peculiar nonzero value of the + operator
They'd still have to pass inspection to be lived in, so it's not as if the walls are going to cave in and kill everyone simply because it was built by a robot. If the build quality sucks, it'll be condemned unless it's correctable.
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Assuming of course that the beta is performed in a responsible jurisdiction, which the gp post did state. However the beta could be performed in a developing area of the world with less strict codes. On the other hand it could be performed in a area with very strict building codes. Are the Laws of Hammurabi (18th century BC - Babylon) still enforced?
233. If a builder build a house for a man and does not make its construction sound, and a wall cracks, that builder shall strengthen that wall at his own expense.
229. If a builder build a house for a man and does not make its construction sound, and the house which he has built collapses and causes the death of the owner of the house, that builder shall be put to death.
So who gets the death penalty? The robot, an engineer or programmer?
It takes weeks to schedule all those inspections.
Hey, I just had an idea. A robotic building inspector.
I wonder how this will affect the Market. Maybe not significantly since value is usualy based on land location and availability.
I guess a new question for house valuators would be, "Which model 'house making machine' built this house?"
"Staying alive is a worthy goal."
Why? It seems like every major religion says self-sacrifice is the greatest thing you can do. Certainly I don't want to die-- but how does that make it "worthy"?
"Preserving the culture is another."
Why? I'm watching "Jules Jordan's Ass Worship 2" as I write this. Though it is amusing, it's just people fucking. Yet it is a movie, and it will outlast it's creators, so it must be culture-- right? People pretending to continue the species is more important than the species! (this goes for the voyeurs Gaughin and Degas as well-- Klimt goes without saying... oops).
"Maintaining the civilization is one too."
Why? There have been quite a few people in the last half century who have rejected the conventional American civilization and lived self-sufficiently. There have been countless more who didn't have the option to reject a civilizatino and just lived self-sufficiently.
"But "survival of the species" is not."
This reads like the "Song of Solomen". There is no logic-- only arbitrary decision in conclusion.
We're a whole lot closer than you think. I've already figured out how to program AI. But who th hell would buy an idea? or, would they offer me more than $500.00 ? Would you like to have a floating home, untouched by earthquakes, able to float higher if a tsunami threatens? I've got a lot of people laughing at my page if you'd like to laugh too, but the page stays up because I do, in fact, know how to generate an upward force enough to easily overcome gravity: http://www.newpath4.com/forsalespacecraftenginecon stantpowertheory.htm . It's going to get real interesting when a foreign government offers me enough money, and the U.S. slides into 2nd or 3rd Place. But it's a free market. U.S. has more investment money of anyone in the world. It's just the investment people think they can get what they want for a song. And they're wrong.
I remember reading a /. post about this about a year ago. Only the word "extrude" quickly morphed in the comments to "crap", and thus the machine became the incredible house-crapping robot. Or moonbot. Not to be confused with moonbat. .
This whole article is nothing but wishful thinking from some guy in a lab anyway. Sure, we'll have robots that build houses some day, but not because there's an eight-feet modified shelf filler in a lab somewhere.
Building a house involves a LOT more than piling up bricks and cement. You have:
- plans to understand and interpret
- foundations to dig
- different kinds of brick and inner and outer layers of brick
- different patterns of brick, and the obvious need to handle corners, curves, and interconnections between different walls
- flooding of foundations and other weather issues to cope with
- flooring
- plumbing
- window sills and other huge non-standard "bricks" that this machine couldn't cope with
- reinforcements
- roofing: rafters, insulation, tiling/slating/felting/cladding/thatching/glazing
- window installation
- door hanging
- plastering
- joinery
- electrical wiring
- probably lots of other things I can't recall right now...
This "robot" is about as close to building a house as an electric drill is to being an automated carpenter.Agreed; well said. Also, people have been imagining since (at least) the dawn of industrialisation that machines would give us more leisure time. Instead, they have driven us to compete more and more, so that we now work all sorts of ungodly hours. Some people are even losing the distinction between working and not working, with taking their work home, being contactable at all hours of the night, etc.
By contrast, the average citizen in a tribal culture works for only a few hours a day. And we think we're helping ourselves with all these cool "labour saving devices" :(
The #1 problem in all of human history has been putting roofs over people's heads. Unfortunately the problem hasn't been the cost of labor but the cost of building materials. If a robot built a wall 3000 ft long and 10 ft high, it would take under $30,000 for the robot and $5,000,000 for the concrete.
The problem isn't making a robot to build structures but making a robot to generate the building materials for less money than it's taken for all human history.
Personally, I think it would take a lot of magic technology to get machines up to the level where they might decide to eliminate humanity in general, or to take over, but then again, it's amazing how prescient some Sci-Fi authors are. Look at Heinlein in The Door to Summer and how his protagonist invents a robot recognizable as the Roomba in the first few chapters. Of course, he had the character do so in 1970...
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The caption under a photo in the article seeks to address concerns that the machine will build "concrete bunker" houses:
Khoshnevis believes that the varied shapes created by a miniature version of the contour crafter herald a revolution in architecture. "You will see houses, neighbor-hoods, and cities that look very different," he says.
This caption accompanies a photo of swirly shapes cranked out by the tabletop version of his wall-builder, suggesting that someday we can all run out and design cool spiral-shaped Custom Future Houses.
However, there is a little problem with this vision of artistic utopian housing called "financing". Banks LIKE cookie-cutter bunker-style housing. Speaking as someone fighting banks and appraisers to get financing for a relatively standard-looking custom home, I can tell you that even very minor deviations from "the same house everybody else already has" will make it nearly impossible to finance a homebuilding project.
Those freaks who live in converted 747 fuselages and water towers didn't pay for their weird domiciles with the help of a banker. I can't imagine this wall-builder will magically reduce construction costs to the point that nobody needs mortgages. Examples of people getting a banker smack-down are easy to find -- ask around, you'll discover you probably already know somebody who had an interest in those octagonal domed houses that were in all the magazines in the 80's, for example, and those are relatively extreme cases.
Big business likes their houses built just like they love their cube-farms... neat and orderly and more or less identical...
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