I bet that is the cost of the shelf. I work in the industry and I can tell you we often use the Bic razor model of "giving away" the shelf / backplane and making margin on the cards.
I am not sure this isn't because of the odd Italian justice system. If you want to get a better understanding of the justice system in Italy read the Monster of Florence by Douglas Preston. It is a fascinating read on a serial killer that ran wild from the 60s to the 80s.
What you will learn is that the Italian system is no where near what you would expect a civilized country to have. The prosecutor discarded the idea that it was a single serial killer killing couple and mutilating them for the notion that a Satanic cult was doing it. Anyone who tried to prove otherwise soon became accused of being part of the Satanic cult making the whole event look like the Salem Witch Trials. Preston himself got accused, even though he did not arrive in Italy until the 90s.
The worst part - the judge bought that non-sense. And as an interesting side note the same judge became involved with the Amanda Knox case (the American accused of murdering her room mate). What did they come up with in that case? That the victim died as part of "some kind of Satanic rite, with Amanda allegedly first touching Meredith with the point of a knife, then slitting her throat." It would be funny if it wasn't a court of law.
In the end it made me understand that what would never stand up in court in other western courts can happen in Italy - it just does not surprise me.
The reason it is smaller than you would think is a thing called reachability. While I do not work with submarine cables I have been doing fiber optic equipment for about 20 years. From a metro perspective the numbers seem small given DWDM systems that can achieve many channels of 40G and 100G but there are limitations particularly related to distance. I really am not sure what the amps are (I would guess mostly EDFAs and RAMAN amps plus some back to back amps for regen to clean the signal up) but the higher the speeds the shorter the distance and more amps are needed. All of this adds complexity in an inhospitable environment and greatly adds to the cost.
If anything surprises me about this article is the cost - $300 million seems a bit cheap for the fiber (in an armored submarine cable), transmission equipment, and labor to lay a 10,000 km cable.
I have the same printer and am likewise impressed. Someone earlier said that the construction on brother was poor - not that I have seen with this printer. I too was looking for color that would not dry out and have been very happy with the 4040CDN. It prints out of the box from windows and linux. The only downside is the printer reports "out of toner" long before it really is. Google and you will find the steps to reset the counter and you can buy the tone to refill online very cheaply. Networked color laser duplexing for less than $300 - hard to beat.
So remember, if you want to break into someone's house do it in the UK and stay out of Texas. The law here, known as the Castle Law, is a bit different
Again by the ITU-T G.709 standard an OC192 WAN PHY and LAN Phy can be transported in an OTU2 (OCH 107). This has a payload (+OPU) of 9.9953G. To get true wire speed 10G you have to use an OTU2e (OCH 111, also called transparent mode) which has a payload +OPU of 10.3125. FWIW, there is also an FC standard OTU2f (OCH 113) which has a rate of 10.51875G. I keep these numbers on a chart I made on my wall - too much to memorize:-)
Well, not exactly. Yes, it is true that OC768 is in the 40G range but that is not the full story. 40G signals are carried over DWDM systems using digital wrappers (all of this is based on the ITU-T G.709 standard). So an OC768 is carried in an OTU3 (OCH430) wrapper. But if you want to carried a 40GE signal is can be carried in an OTU3e1 (OCH445). Yes, I know this is an extension of the current OTU standard but my point is that the speed of Ethernet is not really bound by SONET as most of the transport is over DWDM systems, not MSPP SONET/SDH systems. It is carried digitally wrapped over DWDM ROADM systems.
Oh, and yes, I am currently working w/ 40G systems and soon 100G.
No, other companies can not use the fiber like they can the copper - and that is the point. In 2004 the FCC ruled the RBOCs (incumbent telcos) were required to continue selling copper access to CLEC (Competitors) under Section 271 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996 BUT removed the requirements for fiber. This was done to encourage the RBOCs to make the huge investment in the fiber infrastructure. There was a lot of debate about this at the time and I think, being in the business for years, this was a good decision otherwise I can assure you there would be NO FTTP (fiber to the premises) in this country. But the cutting of the copper is out and out dirty pool.
Now CLECs have no alternative to delivery as there is no copper and they can't use the fiber. Do you think VZ knew this? Uh, yeah...
Personally I think that if the RBOC has cut the copper line they should be required to repair it for the CLEC - at thier cost - period. It seems the only fair course.
What advertised rates? Yes, they publish an "up to speed", but then very plainly tell you that the promise is "best effort" and there is NO GUARANTEE. Since this article is on Comcast I will give you what it says on their homepage - "Many factors affect speed. Actual speeds may vary and are not guaranteed."
I don't see how any court would let you file a class action suit with that broad of a disclaimer in place - at least as it relates to their advertised speeds. Regardless of how they are reducing your bandwidth they have already plainly told you you may not (and most likely will not) get the published speed.
So if you are truly feed up with Comcast go somewhere else. Yes, I know that is not always a choice, but in most places it is becoming more and more so. I always vote with my feet and my wallet. Personally I dumped Comcast several years ago and beat feet to FIOS. One of the best carrier changes I have ever made.
Just for what it's worth old SCO did become Tarantella, but they are not called that any more. Sun bought them about a year and a half ago. So Tarantella, aka old SCO does not exist anymore. They were completely assimilated into Sun.
Yeah, I was shock too when he came on line from 30k feet with such low latency - I expected major lag. I really don't know what system was used, although I think it must have been Connexion as it was Lufthansa flight IIRC.
If you are looking into low latency mobilty satillite is typically not a good choice. I don't know if terrestrial networks are possible for you but I would seriously look into WiMax instead. I have had some involvement with it for the last couiple of years and it holds some amazing potentials.
> The biggest issue with these kind of internet connections is the price, which would certainly stop me from using it unless the company is willing to foot the bill (Anyway, I'd rather be watching a movie or sleeping than working).
Work? No. Company pays the bill? Yes!;-)
I have a friend who does a lot of international travel. He uses and loves in flight WiFi. It costs him about $30 a flight. He uses it to check email (hence the company pays) and then plays WoW on it. And his latency is low (100-150). Now $30 sounds like a lot of money for a connection, but as all of us who play WoW know hours can seem like minutes. How much is it worth to you to make a 12 hour flight feel like a 12 minute flight?
The exchange rate is about 45 rupees to the dollar. Given everyone is paid less there I figure this is only a 22,000 rupee question.
Sheesh, now we are outsoursing questions too. How am I suppose to put food on the table anymore?
Your point is pretty well made. And perhaps more than you think. Ever been to the public beaches of NJ? Yes, you do pay. You get a tag and if the patrol catches you without it you get fined. Toll roads? where aren't there any? Almost every US state has some. Public pools - free? But in some of these cases these things in deed are "free" (tax funded). Some beaches are "free", most roads are, and I suppose some pools are (not where I've lived). So if for these simple things people disagree what is free and what is not it is obvious that internet access will be debated.
But your reasoning is only pretty well made because IMHO you are comparing it to the wrong industries. For me I think that internet access should not be free but should be treated for what it is - a utility. Anyone (in the US) have tax paid for cable TV? How about phones? Got free electric or gas? If so I want to move there;-)
I actually work in the business, not service but equipment manufacturer. It would benifit me way more if the government did buy the infrastucture since they would undoubtably buy for all, and then over engineer it. But come on, where is cable and phone free - and should it be? I think there would have to be a paradym shift in the general populus thinking to have state owned and run utilities. Most US citizens are just not that socialistic. Most will say "hey, that's not free" and "there's no such thing as a free lunch" because most of us have not bought into socialism.
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No, not really. Are you advocating that passing pictures of people that are arrested to other oginizations such NCIC (which is the procedure today in most of the US) is a bad thing? So down the road it comes out in the press that someones grandma was killed by a murderer who was wanted by the FBI and was let go from Jones County Jail 3 hours before on DUI charges because they couldn't check them order to keep their privacy?
I am all for privacy but there has to be a line somewhere. Look at the wayback arguement. Do people who publish webpages have a right to expect privacy? Most people on this site would think not. That is a line that is crossed becuase they put it out in the open. I think that if you are arrested the police have the right to check for other outstanding warrents. You obviuosly disagree. That's ok, everyone is entitled to their opinion but I think most people think this is a resonable process. If it gets abused that is a different issue.
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So now taking a mug shot is an invasion of privacy. Hmmm. And of course no one should use security cameras. Hmmm. So law enforcement has no right to take any pictures - ever. Riiiight! Maybe this is like the Amish who are afraid a picture will take their soul.
Besides, this article was about a 3D imagaing system for mug shots. You added that it will "be kept in a 3D database linked to every other anti-terrorist database out there". I didn't see that in the article.
Sometimes I really don't understand the extreme privacy advocates. They say police don't have the right to store mug shots and then put there full name in their auto signature.
I agree with your assesment but you are blaming the wrong pig. DIVX (which SUCKED) had a propriatary player that phoned to a database held by the lovely folks at DIVX after 48 hours - it did not "degrade". In fact the idea was to get you to go "silver" or some other stupid marketing name- I forget now - which let you use it forever like a DVD. 'Course all the people who had "silver discs" lost them when DIVX went belly up. I suppose it served them right buying to such a stupid idea.
Anyway, there was a disc that did degrade after 48 hours from opening it. It used ink that degraded from light or air or some such thing. Sure you don't have to return it to Blockbusters, but what about the trash? I'm sure the article was here on slashdot but I don't feel like serching for it.
So maybe this is a moot point since both were a bad idea and both are gone because they were bad ideas. But I also suppose we should lay the blame on the right pig.
And will the music industry write and sign a code of conduct that they will conform to? Such as not harassing people with ligitamate material on their sites? I think Professor Usher would like that.
I am not a person who has ever shared music files and the fact that I need to be concerned with the RIAA's heavy handed practices is stupid. And who is going to fund the monitoring? Saying the ISP should bear that cost alone is like saying if someone sells gas they should be responsible for where the car goes. Sheesh. Just because a new technology disturbs their business practice....
I use the privacy.popups.disable_from_plugins solution at work but it is a bit cruder. An even more elegent way to fix the problem is to cut of the offending !#^@ popup providers. What I did was to send the following 2 domains dev null at my router - fastclick.net and tribalfusion.com. This too solves the problem and will not break any legitamate plugin popups. So far I have not seen any other offending websites but they do seem to be taking over the world.
It is a fine idea to lower the tempurature, but there is one small problem and that is the air pressure. Since the surface level air pressure is about 90 atmoshperes (1324 lbs per sq inch compared to 14.7 on earth) if you lower the temp you won't cook to death, you'll only be crushed to death.
Not that while many of the child posts point out that many VoIP providers have 9-1-1 they are not all the same. Take Vonage for example (whom I use). Their 9-1-1 is routed to the PSAP and is not true E911 service. This distinction may be lost on many but what it effectively means is that E911 centers get an address that pops up on their screen when you call them. With Vonage you address may or may not pop up on the operator's screen.
The only service from a major VoIP provider that I am aware of is the afore mentioned packet8. I'm sure this change over time.
BTW, Packet8 charges a $10 setup fee and a $1.50 monthly fee for E911 (RBOCs also charge for this service - but you have no choice)
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I bet that is the cost of the shelf. I work in the industry and I can tell you we often use the Bic razor model of "giving away" the shelf / backplane and making margin on the cards.
I am not sure this isn't because of the odd Italian justice system. If you want to get a better understanding of the justice system in Italy read the Monster of Florence by Douglas Preston. It is a fascinating read on a serial killer that ran wild from the 60s to the 80s.
What you will learn is that the Italian system is no where near what you would expect a civilized country to have. The prosecutor discarded the idea that it was a single serial killer killing couple and mutilating them for the notion that a Satanic cult was doing it. Anyone who tried to prove otherwise soon became accused of being part of the Satanic cult making the whole event look like the Salem Witch Trials. Preston himself got accused, even though he did not arrive in Italy until the 90s.
The worst part - the judge bought that non-sense. And as an interesting side note the same judge became involved with the Amanda Knox case (the American accused of murdering her room mate). What did they come up with in that case? That the victim died as part of "some kind of Satanic rite, with Amanda allegedly first touching Meredith with the point of a knife, then slitting her throat." It would be funny if it wasn't a court of law.
In the end it made me understand that what would never stand up in court in other western courts can happen in Italy - it just does not surprise me.
The reason it is smaller than you would think is a thing called reachability. While I do not work with submarine cables I have been doing fiber optic equipment for about 20 years. From a metro perspective the numbers seem small given DWDM systems that can achieve many channels of 40G and 100G but there are limitations particularly related to distance. I really am not sure what the amps are (I would guess mostly EDFAs and RAMAN amps plus some back to back amps for regen to clean the signal up) but the higher the speeds the shorter the distance and more amps are needed. All of this adds complexity in an inhospitable environment and greatly adds to the cost.
If anything surprises me about this article is the cost - $300 million seems a bit cheap for the fiber (in an armored submarine cable), transmission equipment, and labor to lay a 10,000 km cable.
And America is NOT spying on China?
You know, I have been teaching my daughter logic and we have been studying false arguments. We just covered tu quoque - thanks for the example!
I have the same printer and am likewise impressed. Someone earlier said that the construction on brother was poor - not that I have seen with this printer. I too was looking for color that would not dry out and have been very happy with the 4040CDN. It prints out of the box from windows and linux. The only downside is the printer reports "out of toner" long before it really is. Google and you will find the steps to reset the counter and you can buy the tone to refill online very cheaply. Networked color laser duplexing for less than $300 - hard to beat.
So remember, if you want to break into someone's house do it in the UK and stay out of Texas. The law here, known as the Castle Law, is a bit different
Again by the ITU-T G.709 standard an OC192 WAN PHY and LAN Phy can be transported in an OTU2 (OCH 107). This has a payload (+OPU) of 9.9953G. To get true wire speed 10G you have to use an OTU2e (OCH 111, also called transparent mode) which has a payload +OPU of 10.3125. FWIW, there is also an FC standard OTU2f (OCH 113) which has a rate of 10.51875G. I keep these numbers on a chart I made on my wall - too much to memorize :-)
Well, not exactly. Yes, it is true that OC768 is in the 40G range but that is not the full story. 40G signals are carried over DWDM systems using digital wrappers (all of this is based on the ITU-T G.709 standard). So an OC768 is carried in an OTU3 (OCH430) wrapper. But if you want to carried a 40GE signal is can be carried in an OTU3e1 (OCH445). Yes, I know this is an extension of the current OTU standard but my point is that the speed of Ethernet is not really bound by SONET as most of the transport is over DWDM systems, not MSPP SONET/SDH systems. It is carried digitally wrapped over DWDM ROADM systems.
Oh, and yes, I am currently working w/ 40G systems and soon 100G.
No, other companies can not use the fiber like they can the copper - and that is the point. In 2004 the FCC ruled the RBOCs (incumbent telcos) were required to continue selling copper access to CLEC (Competitors) under Section 271 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996 BUT removed the requirements for fiber. This was done to encourage the RBOCs to make the huge investment in the fiber infrastructure. There was a lot of debate about this at the time and I think, being in the business for years, this was a good decision otherwise I can assure you there would be NO FTTP (fiber to the premises) in this country. But the cutting of the copper is out and out dirty pool.
Now CLECs have no alternative to delivery as there is no copper and they can't use the fiber. Do you think VZ knew this? Uh, yeah...
Personally I think that if the RBOC has cut the copper line they should be required to repair it for the CLEC - at thier cost - period. It seems the only fair course.
What advertised rates? Yes, they publish an "up to speed", but then very plainly tell you that the promise is "best effort" and there is NO GUARANTEE. Since this article is on Comcast I will give you what it says on their homepage - "Many factors affect speed. Actual speeds may vary and are not guaranteed."
I don't see how any court would let you file a class action suit with that broad of a disclaimer in place - at least as it relates to their advertised speeds. Regardless of how they are reducing your bandwidth they have already plainly told you you may not (and most likely will not) get the published speed.
So if you are truly feed up with Comcast go somewhere else. Yes, I know that is not always a choice, but in most places it is becoming more and more so. I always vote with my feet and my wallet. Personally I dumped Comcast several years ago and beat feet to FIOS. One of the best carrier changes I have ever made.
Just for what it's worth old SCO did become Tarantella, but they are not called that any more. Sun bought them about a year and a half ago. So Tarantella, aka old SCO does not exist anymore. They were completely assimilated into Sun.
Yeah, I was shock too when he came on line from 30k feet with such low latency - I expected major lag. I really don't know what system was used, although I think it must have been Connexion as it was Lufthansa flight IIRC.
If you are looking into low latency mobilty satillite is typically not a good choice. I don't know if terrestrial networks are possible for you but I would seriously look into WiMax instead. I have had some involvement with it for the last couiple of years and it holds some amazing potentials.
Best wishes on your project
> The biggest issue with these kind of internet connections is the price, which would certainly stop me from using it unless the company is willing to foot the bill (Anyway, I'd rather be watching a movie or sleeping than working).
Work? No. Company pays the bill? Yes! ;-)
I have a friend who does a lot of international travel. He uses and loves in flight WiFi. It costs him about $30 a flight. He uses it to check email (hence the company pays) and then plays WoW on it. And his latency is low (100-150). Now $30 sounds like a lot of money for a connection, but as all of us who play WoW know hours can seem like minutes. How much is it worth to you to make a 12 hour flight feel like a 12 minute flight?
The exchange rate is about 45 rupees to the dollar. Given everyone is paid less there I figure this is only a 22,000 rupee question. Sheesh, now we are outsoursing questions too. How am I suppose to put food on the table anymore?
But your reasoning is only pretty well made because IMHO you are comparing it to the wrong industries. For me I think that internet access should not be free but should be treated for what it is - a utility. Anyone (in the US) have tax paid for cable TV? How about phones? Got free electric or gas? If so I want to move there ;-)
I actually work in the business, not service but equipment manufacturer. It would benifit me way more if the government did buy the infrastucture since they would undoubtably buy for all, and then over engineer it. But come on, where is cable and phone free - and should it be? I think there would have to be a paradym shift in the general populus thinking to have state owned and run utilities. Most US citizens are just not that socialistic. Most will say "hey, that's not free" and "there's no such thing as a free lunch" because most of us have not bought into socialism.
I am all for privacy but there has to be a line somewhere. Look at the wayback arguement. Do people who publish webpages have a right to expect privacy? Most people on this site would think not. That is a line that is crossed becuase they put it out in the open. I think that if you are arrested the police have the right to check for other outstanding warrents. You obviuosly disagree. That's ok, everyone is entitled to their opinion but I think most people think this is a resonable process. If it gets abused that is a different issue.
So now taking a mug shot is an invasion of privacy. Hmmm. And of course no one should use security cameras. Hmmm. So law enforcement has no right to take any pictures - ever. Riiiight! Maybe this is like the Amish who are afraid a picture will take their soul. Besides, this article was about a 3D imagaing system for mug shots. You added that it will "be kept in a 3D database linked to every other anti-terrorist database out there". I didn't see that in the article. Sometimes I really don't understand the extreme privacy advocates. They say police don't have the right to store mug shots and then put there full name in their auto signature.
You'll have to wait for The Meaning of Life-alot for that one. Wrong movie.
Anyway, there was a disc that did degrade after 48 hours from opening it. It used ink that degraded from light or air or some such thing. Sure you don't have to return it to Blockbusters, but what about the trash? I'm sure the article was here on slashdot but I don't feel like serching for it.
So maybe this is a moot point since both were a bad idea and both are gone because they were bad ideas. But I also suppose we should lay the blame on the right pig.
And will the music industry write and sign a code of conduct that they will conform to? Such as not harassing people with ligitamate material on their sites? I think Professor Usher would like that.
I am not a person who has ever shared music files and the fact that I need to be concerned with the RIAA's heavy handed practices is stupid. And who is going to fund the monitoring? Saying the ISP should bear that cost alone is like saying if someone sells gas they should be responsible for where the car goes. Sheesh. Just because a new technology disturbs their business practice....
I use the privacy.popups.disable_from_plugins solution at work but it is a bit cruder. An even more elegent way to fix the problem is to cut of the offending !#^@ popup providers. What I did was to send the following 2 domains dev null at my router - fastclick.net and tribalfusion.com. This too solves the problem and will not break any legitamate plugin popups. So far I have not seen any other offending websites but they do seem to be taking over the world.
It is a fine idea to lower the tempurature, but there is one small problem and that is the air pressure. Since the surface level air pressure is about 90 atmoshperes (1324 lbs per sq inch compared to 14.7 on earth) if you lower the temp you won't cook to death, you'll only be crushed to death.
The only service from a major VoIP provider that I am aware of is the afore mentioned packet8. I'm sure this change over time.
BTW, Packet8 charges a $10 setup fee and a $1.50 monthly fee for E911 (RBOCs also charge for this service - but you have no choice)
Um, sorry wrong. Packet8 does . It is not a big deal to me but if it was I would have gone with them.
Well, I've been reazing - reabing - reading these post for a while now and... and... and... I'm not as think as you drunk I am.