I think it would be interesting to look inside these caves but I don't think we are going to find life on Mars. My reasoning is that life on Earth is absolutely pervasive. It is in every cubic centimetre of ocean and every square centimetre of the Arctic and Antarctic, and all of our deserts.
Maybe Earth life could get the kind of toehold on Mars which we postulate for Mars life, but if Mars had native life it would be everywhere. Perhaps not out in the sun but certainly under each and every rock.
The effect on micro climates would be obvious to our sensors. Instead all we see is normal energy flow, the sun rises, heats up the sand, sun goes down, sand radiates into space.
Sorry. Both rovers are a long way from these caves. At best, the Opportunity rover could travel another 10km or so, while Spirit could perhaps manage another kilometre.
I will definitely upgrade to GTA02 when its available, too.
Yes that is the phone I want to get. But because I can't try it in the shop I have a question which you may be able to answer: can you carry the OpenMoko around in your pocket, or is it a belt pouch phone? I have seen the dimensions on the web site but it is not the same as holding one in your hand.
then why do some people say the sea levels will rise to such high levels?
Because of the ice currently above sea level in Greenland and Antarctica. Melting sea ice leads to higher temperatures in the air above the ocean. These higher temperatures lead to more melting in onshore ice, like the ica cap in Antarctica.
If so much ice has melted already, have the ocean water levels risen any appreciable amount?
When sea ice melts back into the sea, the total amount of water doesn't change, so sea levels remain the same. But the albedo of the sea falls (ice being white) so it becomes more difficult for ice to form when the weather becomes colder again.
I can vaguely remember the first ATMs appearing here around that time. That they had them in Tasmania, that would talk back to FI's else where is remarkable.
There were definitely some. I might have stocked up on cash before leaving Melbourne though. They must have run on dial up modems.
One ATM from that era used to print the transaction report on to a convenient stiff card. It would spit the card out on the ground (the hopper was faulty) and warn the user "not to litter"
I also remember from when I was in the UK with my parents in 1975. Expat Australians knew lots of hacks which you could use on the British phone system to get a free call back home. One hack involved repeatedly dialing and hanging up from a particular public phone near the GPO until the phone system decided that the phone was faulty and let you make the call.
I bought a machine at a University surplus auction recently that has an LSI-11 processor with a bunch of other stuff on two ISA cards, staked together and plugged into a 486 motherboard.
Yes we had them at Vic Roads in the late 1990's. The 486 ran MSDOS and (in our case) the PDP/11 plug in card ran RSX11M.
I think RSX had access to external devices (disk, etc) through DOS. Perhaps it booted off a disk image or something.
Its been a while and I wasn't heavily involved in that part of the system.
wouldn't it post your withdrawal at a later time, though? In fact, you could get out more money than you had in your account, but the next business day they would slap you with the overdraft charges which hurt (unless your trip to Tasmania is one-way, that is).
At the time I was completely out of money but I had a separation cheque (remember them?) from my previous employer which I wouldn't be able to cash until the end of the holliday. The account went into debt but I paid it back around the time the bank caught up with my balance.
Remember that this was in the days when the banks were geared to resolve transactions within a week or two, as opposed to seconds now.
Old systems had deterministic timing. No cache, no virtual memory, no bloated-pig operating systems designed by idiots in Redmond.
A typical mainframe of 30 years ago would have done a lot of batch processing. But it still multi tasked. Only an embedded system would have had deterministic timing. And that is true of today as well.
I funded a hitch hiking holiday in Tasmania in 1986 by doing small withdrawals in the middle of the night when ATM's couldn't connect to the banking systems because overnight jobs were running.
The same software SCATS (Sydney Coordinated Adaptive Traffic System) is used in Adelaide and Sydney as well as a few places in other countries.
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It must cost a fortune to maintain such old computers
Not really. As long as you have people who understand the hardware and a supply of old machines for spare parts you should be able to keep things ticking along for decades.
In my last job we ran the entire Melbourne traffic signal system off PDP 11/84's and 83's. Its a good way to keep your wire wrap skills up to scratch.
But how do you get the gas dense enough to actually react.
And then, how did our solar system get gas dense enough to form solid ice in massive planet size bodies like Pluto, et al?
I don't know either. Perhaps we are only seeing a minute fraction of the gas in that area. The water is a minor condensate, and the comets/planets are a minor condensate from the water.
It's a wonderful example how totalitarian states need to control every corner of life even the dark corner of superstition.
I think it is amazing that the Chinese government can give permission to reincarnate. Maybe they can offer a package deal to people on their last legs: pay for permission to come back and agree to leave the country afterwards.
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I think it would be interesting to look inside these caves but I don't think we are going to find life on Mars. My reasoning is that life on Earth is absolutely pervasive. It is in every cubic centimetre of ocean and every square centimetre of the Arctic and Antarctic, and all of our deserts.
Maybe Earth life could get the kind of toehold on Mars which we postulate for Mars life, but if Mars had native life it would be everywhere. Perhaps not out in the sun but certainly under each and every rock.
The effect on micro climates would be obvious to our sensors. Instead all we see is normal energy flow, the sun rises, heats up the sand, sun goes down, sand radiates into space.
Sorry. Both rovers are a long way from these caves. At best, the Opportunity rover could travel another 10km or so, while Spirit could perhaps manage another kilometre.
Yes, I noticed that the openmoko web site is suspiciously quiet about the 02 version.
Yes that is the phone I want to get. But because I can't try it in the shop I have a question which you may be able to answer: can you carry the OpenMoko around in your pocket, or is it a belt pouch phone? I have seen the dimensions on the web site but it is not the same as holding one in your hand.
here it is
The version to be released in October is supposed to have wireless networking.
Because of the ice currently above sea level in Greenland and Antarctica. Melting sea ice leads to higher temperatures in the air above the ocean. These higher temperatures lead to more melting in onshore ice, like the ica cap in Antarctica.
When sea ice melts back into the sea, the total amount of water doesn't change, so sea levels remain the same. But the albedo of the sea falls (ice being white) so it becomes more difficult for ice to form when the weather becomes colder again.
Well things are warming up in Antarctica as well. Fortunately penguins don't actually need ice, we have lots of them here in Victoria.
Much more educational for us if it does blink.
More likely Amelia Earhart
There were definitely some. I might have stocked up on cash before leaving Melbourne though. They must have run on dial up modems.
One ATM from that era used to print the transaction report on to a convenient stiff card. It would spit the card out on the ground (the hopper was faulty) and warn the user "not to litter"
I also remember from when I was in the UK with my parents in 1975. Expat Australians knew lots of hacks which you could use on the British phone system to get a free call back home. One hack involved repeatedly dialing and hanging up from a particular public phone near the GPO until the phone system decided that the phone was faulty and let you make the call.
Yes we had them at Vic Roads in the late 1990's. The 486 ran MSDOS and (in our case) the PDP/11 plug in card ran RSX11M.
I think RSX had access to external devices (disk, etc) through DOS. Perhaps it booted off a disk image or something.
Its been a while and I wasn't heavily involved in that part of the system.
At the time I was completely out of money but I had a separation cheque (remember them?) from my previous employer which I wouldn't be able to cash until the end of the holliday. The account went into debt but I paid it back around the time the bank caught up with my balance.
Remember that this was in the days when the banks were geared to resolve transactions within a week or two, as opposed to seconds now.
Takes an hour for the processor on Voyager to unpack an ICMP message, parse the ping, compose a reply, encapsulate and send it.
A typical mainframe of 30 years ago would have done a lot of batch processing. But it still multi tasked. Only an embedded system would have had deterministic timing. And that is true of today as well.
I funded a hitch hiking holiday in Tasmania in 1986 by doing small withdrawals in the middle of the night when ATM's couldn't connect to the banking systems because overnight jobs were running.
I think he means the ground hardware
It must :)
The same software SCATS (Sydney Coordinated Adaptive Traffic System) is used in Adelaide and Sydney as well as a few places in other countries.
Not really. As long as you have people who understand the hardware and a supply of old machines for spare parts you should be able to keep things ticking along for decades.
In my last job we ran the entire Melbourne traffic signal system off PDP 11/84's and 83's. Its a good way to keep your wire wrap skills up to scratch.
Its a bit like if you built your own cruise missile. Telling the whole world about it might not be the smartest thing to do.
Now that the GP has been modded Funny your post is OT ;)
And then, how did our solar system get gas dense enough to form solid ice in massive planet size bodies like Pluto, et al?
I don't know either. Perhaps we are only seeing a minute fraction of the gas in that area. The water is a minor condensate, and the comets/planets are a minor condensate from the water.
But they will be thousands of years old by then.
I think it is amazing that the Chinese government can give permission to reincarnate. Maybe they can offer a package deal to people on their last legs: pay for permission to come back and agree to leave the country afterwards.
.. or maybe not.Well Bowman had to be in exactly the right spot to trigger the monolith so if it was a wormhole we might not see it from here.
OTH I wonder what a big blob of antimatter would do to the CMB signature. Would it show up as a mass depleted volume of space?