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The point of my post was:
- The 'attack' isn't an attack - SHA1 is trivial to crack (trivial in terms of code) that is, EVERYONE knows how to crack it, which is good - third point, it is computationally unviable to use a trivial attack against a SHA1 hash.
It is always a risk trying to say to much in too many ways, as mods rarely like to read into what you say, and as you yourself have misinterpretted what I have said to be the exact opposite, you should try and deal with your own s/n issues.
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What an insightful reply, except you shoudl plus a !() around how you read my response, because I was saying that thier 'hack' was not an aspect of insecurity, and then you just repeatd what it was I was saying. Reread and you will see.
Half pisses me off, but since you said it in a nice enough way, half insightful.
I have had my machine on notify after I heard of the win sp2 problems, I am behind a bastion host, I use FF/Kmeleon, I never get snared by virus pages etc, so any SP2 stuff was beyond me (no port of my computer is accessible from outside my 3 computer network, I use VPN to connect to my other network)
So, I didn't want SP2 screwing up my current machine (which is a closed system machine, designed to run as a stand alone with this software) before I could get a pre-sp2 branch frozen.
So, I was going ok, then the other day (a couple of months after SP2) a get hammered by security update nonesense... I dismiss it, and finally I get a modal dialogue with one option... with A TIMER!) my machine restarts, (it gives me like 5 minutes) and I have SP2.
It was after I managed the pre SP2 freeze anyhow. Don't ask me how SP2 stayed off my machine for 3 months, and then raped it.
"Haul ass, young lady -- out of bed, on your feet, shit-shower-shave, or I swear to God, I will beat you purple and shove you out the door jaybird naked. Capeesh?"
the preceding paragraph reads:
No amount of policeman's devotion and skill availed him when it came to making his twelve-year-old get ready for school, though....
He has a great idea for an excuse delivery system though... good story.
Considering rotten GREEN putrid meat has been packed and even placed on sale in supermarkets, and GM grain is mixed with non gm grain in our foods (and US don't care) I will not be lookin favourably on mustard anymore.
Sorry Kramer, no Dijon
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If you do not know the string you are starting from THEN IT IS not better than brute force.
I think as long as the HASHED value itself isn't useful in reducing the number of attacks, then we are ok.
They are doing some funny poking around the edges.
Take a large complex document, and make minor changes sequentially through the document.
The number of changes would equal the hash space, therefore the number of minor changes they would make would be a brute force of the hash space, so they would create every possible hash (this was the aim, they didn't get this far as far as I can tell, this is very CPU intensive)
But what they did do, was by changing a couple of bits here and there, was to find a hit.
Now, when I leant about memory paging and hashing techniques WE TALKED about collisions, and they are very real and normal things.
Until they stop quietly circulating things, and over hyped blog headlines stop getting/., we will not know WHAT their latest news means.
the key is, if the hash doesn't help, the SHA1 was secure as it always was, which is not secure at all (because it is trivial to crack SHA1) but computationally it is not viable.
to reitterate, SHA1 was never ever secure, it is trivial to crack, but computationally expensive (for now)
The welsh were the likly culprits who erected the first stone henge (well THE stone henge) as noted hyah, hyah, and hyah (cartman)
5005 years ago.
Welsh builder: alrigh' butty, you see we is going to be building dis 'ere, ok now, tell me again, what the fuck are these big sticky out ones
Foreman: stones...
Welsh builder: aye, stoaoaoaones. we have some of them in the valley. OK, whose coat is that jacket?
Foreman: listen how long with this take?
Welsh builder: not long, I have to be home to watch the sheep dog trials you see. Want some lavabread?
Foreman: So I hear the.nz's are building one of these too...
Welsh builder: what!? you don't say, well I'll finish this one first is my name is not daffydddd myffanwwwyy evans-jones.
Foreman: ok look, gerrard, how long is this rouse going to last, your NOT FUCKING WELSH.
Gerrard: eeeh, you fooking enleesh piiig. I speet on your choontree.
Foreman: choontree?
Gerrard: Cooon-treee.
Foreman: cooowwwn--treeez?
Gerrard: oh for pete sake old chap, country, bloody country, ok, fuck, i'd do anything not to be a plain old brit, this stiff upperlip is giving me sever jip.
Foreman: right, look lively, lovely jub.
Gerrard: cockney fucker.
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Of course, this transcript from the discovery channel has not been verified, but the maxell cassettes did look old.
Why redundantly mirror articles (and I think binary usage of usenet is such a balls up - regarding protocol) to all servers, instead of distributed serving of articles.
So alt.go.fuck.yourself.com is on yourself.com's server dns nameserver pointy thingy, and hosts an nttp port, but then, who owns the data?
I see one reason was anyone could accept posts, but the servers were out of sync...
forums do the same job in a nice carry round with you web interface.
usenet was a global 'one point of access' method, which should work today if we could setup a reversed naming convention for.alt.news.sci.rec.foo and have them go nntp://spears.britney.erotica.binaries.alt and have news readers auto flip them...
so who would run the alt servers?maybe that is why usenet survived, everyone had to load it up, like a redundant array of data...
i am annoyed my isps dont seem to run news servers, but I use google groups, as simple (even tho pisses me off with thier half assed accoutns system, but it is progressing)
I am glad I didn't buy this only to find I couldn't log in.
I do see these are historical games... in the future such server issues will go, so enjoy the stories of server outtages and record sales, before this becomes just another command and conquer or doom gaming fad, and becomes old news.
I personally like the genre, but do not play games. I think it is important to keep up with the field though, so I regularly read up on them.
Why? Because we listened to customers, analysts, and business partners. We heard a clear message: "Yes, XP SP2 makes the situation better. We want more, sooner. We want security on top of the compatibility and extensibility IE gives us, and we want it on XP. Microsoft, show us your commitment."
through babelfish's bullshit -> english
Why? Because we listened to customers, analysts, and business partners. OMG!!!1 IE is teh suckx0r!!111 viruses, trojans and worms, oh my!11 my pc is fux0r3d!!111 Wh4t is thi5 coolsearch toolbar doing here? my computer ate my homework! I fancy Ellen Feissssssssss! maaaaaaaaaaaarry meeeeee!!
blame it on valentines day ok... OK... get fuzzy, dilbert... herman and pearls and some PA get my through.
It will be released WITH longhorn, i.e. (pun intended) it will equal the longhorn installations.
If someone is using WinXP, no doubt their auto update will wrestle it on (SP2 installed itself onto my computer despite me trying to keep it off.. my machine suddenly restarted... oh well - it recognised zonealarm and AVGfree)
Is it right for Microsoft to release IE7 as a critical update to winXP? especially when it means they get to force it on (really, because of all the other issues)
windows updates are like eu fishing bills, they look innocent but some fucker has crammed some shit DRM or patent crap in there, fuckers
no, I meant just to say that carrots and rat tests have been shown.
If the news article was clearer, then it would have shown to me that the new part of it was the chemical, in retrospect it was clear, but the title should have been:
'anti-carinogen isolated in carrots'
My whole office is on a 2 carrots a day scheme after we calculated that 1/3 of us has a direct relative (or by direct relative marriage) dying of cancer.
Wake up call... I am healthy for now... but carrots it is (and tomatos)
Except it wont be free. Most of the petrol taxes will go into funding this lunatic scheme.
Why not check in your odometer ever 1 year (with service) and pay then
Oh, I know, because we have to find uses for technology, big fucking deal.
This sounds like PLAN X made to look like plan Y, so not to scare people where plan X is, lets spy on people, and plan Y is let spretend to be eco conscious and pay our cousin a nice backhander for his faltering gps company.
Just fucking check your odometer in one a year for your fucking service and stop abusing our technology, that, erm, people died for! yeah, we own it, not you guys
public service announcement by "had to by stupid gifts to survive valentines day"
This is merely a design / storage question. It has no special case for OO.
You must design a save game file format, and this can be as easy/hard in any language.
Of course, OO like Java has object serialization and XMLSerialization. This is a way of storing data from an object directly into a file in a symmetric way.
This is not a question about OO, this is a fairly dumb question
As game saves are file formats, it makes it a design issue, not related to OO mechanics.
Microsoft reared their ugly head even in this field, they realised that if anyone patented half-human half-animal freaks, then they might have to pay royalties for Steve Balmer!
Microsoft, bringing you dancing men with sweaty bouncing breasts since 1975.
is removing your right to possess and operate visual recording equiptment in this area. in doing so they have violated your rights, as this is a public area, and also have devalued your equiptement, which now is less effective in that area than before the installation.
Take two cameras, and tell them, if you won't let me take a picture, then it means you should pay me for the damages you have caused.
This happens to be the same as how much you want to charge me, and as I have two cameras, I will use one and we are even.
And when they still think they have th euppoer hand for you having to squirm your way through that apologetic denial of payment, you shoudl bludgeon them in the temple with a bowling pin.
So the good people must be charging rent for this gift huh? or is the public space it is taking up being given as a gift back to them to store they regifted christmas present?
Also, this seems to be a good will public relations backhander going down.
Utter idiocy. At least you can have your pet pigeon shit on it for free.
Or spit on it, that isn't illegal you know... do it when they try and charge you, or when the poor mental artist is there.
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The point of my post was:
- The 'attack' isn't an attack
- SHA1 is trivial to crack (trivial in terms of code) that is, EVERYONE knows how to crack it, which is good
- third point, it is computationally unviable to use a trivial attack against a SHA1 hash.
It is always a risk trying to say to much in too many ways, as mods rarely like to read into what you say, and as you yourself have misinterpretted what I have said to be the exact opposite, you should try and deal with your own s/n issues.
What an insightful reply, except you shoudl plus a !() around how you read my response, because I was saying that thier 'hack' was not an aspect of insecurity, and then you just repeatd what it was I was saying. Reread and you will see.
Half pisses me off, but since you said it in a nice enough way, half insightful.
I have had my machine on notify after I heard of the win sp2 problems, I am behind a bastion host, I use FF/Kmeleon, I never get snared by virus pages etc, so any SP2 stuff was beyond me (no port of my computer is accessible from outside my 3 computer network, I use VPN to connect to my other network)
So, I didn't want SP2 screwing up my current machine (which is a closed system machine, designed to run as a stand alone with this software) before I could get a pre-sp2 branch frozen.
So, I was going ok, then the other day (a couple of months after SP2) a get hammered by security update nonesense... I dismiss it, and finally I get a modal dialogue with one option... with A TIMER!) my machine restarts, (it gives me like 5 minutes) and I have SP2.
It was after I managed the pre SP2 freeze anyhow. Don't ask me how SP2 stayed off my machine for 3 months, and then raped it.
I just looked at all thier fuss and bother, and the 'image stays without power'
But then I read the disclaimer, if you shake them the image disspears!
Nothing more than a uppity etch-a-sketch! Works on same principles.
Nanotech my ass!
Order a book off amazon, then flash the latest errata in, have animated tutorials in them.
The best part of this is the image staying without power...
Greetings cards with full motions pr0n videos!!
Shirt ties that gets hacked in meeting and turn into giant trouser snakes.
Oh the fun.
For every child that grew up to be somebody special because of Star Trek
:-)
That is kindly putting it...
LLAP
"Haul ass, young lady -- out of bed, on your feet, shit-shower-shave, or I swear to God, I will beat you purple and shove you out the door jaybird naked. Capeesh?"
...
the preceding paragraph reads:
No amount of policeman's devotion and skill availed him when it came to making his twelve-year-old get ready for school, though.
He has a great idea for an excuse delivery system though... good story.
Considering rotten GREEN putrid meat has been packed and even placed on sale in supermarkets, and GM grain is mixed with non gm grain in our foods (and US don't care) I will not be lookin favourably on mustard anymore.
Sorry Kramer, no Dijon
If you do not know the string you are starting from THEN IT IS not better than brute force.
/., we will not know WHAT their latest news means.
I think as long as the HASHED value itself isn't useful in reducing the number of attacks, then we are ok.
They are doing some funny poking around the edges.
Take a large complex document, and make minor changes sequentially through the document.
The number of changes would equal the hash space, therefore the number of minor changes they would make would be a brute force of the hash space, so they would create every possible hash (this was the aim, they didn't get this far as far as I can tell, this is very CPU intensive)
But what they did do, was by changing a couple of bits here and there, was to find a hit.
Now, when I leant about memory paging and hashing techniques WE TALKED about collisions, and they are very real and normal things.
Until they stop quietly circulating things, and over hyped blog headlines stop getting
the key is, if the hash doesn't help, the SHA1 was secure as it always was, which is not secure at all (because it is trivial to crack SHA1) but computationally it is not viable.
to reitterate, SHA1 was never ever secure, it is trivial to crack, but computationally expensive (for now)
The welsh were the likly culprits who erected the first stone henge (well THE stone henge) as noted hyah, hyah, and hyah (cartman)
.nz's are building one of these too...
5005 years ago.
Welsh builder: alrigh' butty, you see we is going to be building dis 'ere, ok now, tell me again, what the fuck are these big sticky out ones
Foreman: stones...
Welsh builder: aye, stoaoaoaones. we have some of them in the valley. OK, whose coat is that jacket?
Foreman: listen how long with this take?
Welsh builder: not long, I have to be home to watch the sheep dog trials you see. Want some lavabread?
Foreman: So I hear the
Welsh builder: what!? you don't say, well I'll finish this one first is my name is not daffydddd myffanwwwyy evans-jones.
Foreman: ok look, gerrard, how long is this rouse going to last, your NOT FUCKING WELSH.
Gerrard: eeeh, you fooking enleesh piiig. I speet on your choontree.
Foreman: choontree?
Gerrard: Cooon-treee.
Foreman: cooowwwn--treeez?
Gerrard: oh for pete sake old chap, country, bloody country, ok, fuck, i'd do anything not to be a plain old brit, this stiff upperlip is giving me sever jip.
Foreman: right, look lively, lovely jub.
Gerrard: cockney fucker.
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Of course, this transcript from the discovery channel has not been verified, but the maxell cassettes did look old.
and make a real protocol?
.alt .news .sci .rec .foo and have them go nntp://spears.britney.erotica.binaries.alt and have news readers auto flip them...
Why redundantly mirror articles (and I think binary usage of usenet is such a balls up - regarding protocol) to all servers, instead of distributed serving of articles.
So alt.go.fuck.yourself.com is on yourself.com's server dns nameserver pointy thingy, and hosts an nttp port, but then, who owns the data?
I see one reason was anyone could accept posts, but the servers were out of sync...
forums do the same job in a nice carry round with you web interface.
usenet was a global 'one point of access' method, which should work today if we could setup a reversed naming convention for
so who would run the alt servers?maybe that is why usenet survived, everyone had to load it up, like a redundant array of data...
i am annoyed my isps dont seem to run news servers, but I use google groups, as simple (even tho pisses me off with thier half assed accoutns system, but it is progressing)
Yeah I can see it now:
Here is something on the good site, but in case, here is the google mirror...
you see my point?
I don't think google wants to charge end users yet... maybe they will have thier first micropayemnts
I am glad I didn't buy this only to find I couldn't log in.
I do see these are historical games... in the future such server issues will go, so enjoy the stories of server outtages and record sales, before this becomes just another command and conquer or doom gaming fad, and becomes old news.
I personally like the genre, but do not play games. I think it is important to keep up with the field though, so I regularly read up on them.
Why? Because we listened to customers, analysts, and business partners. We heard a clear message: "Yes, XP SP2 makes the situation better. We want more, sooner. We want security on top of the compatibility and extensibility IE gives us, and we want it on XP. Microsoft, show us your commitment."
through babelfish's bullshit -> english
Why? Because we listened to customers, analysts, and business partners. OMG!!!1 IE is teh suckx0r!!111 viruses, trojans and worms, oh my!11 my pc is fux0r3d!!111 Wh4t is thi5 coolsearch toolbar doing here? my computer ate my homework! I fancy Ellen Feissssssssss! maaaaaaaaaaaarry meeeeee!!
blame it on valentines day ok... OK... get fuzzy, dilbert... herman and pearls and some PA get my through.
I actually learnt a lot of programming top from just studying the code as I integrated thier solutions.
People who write OS are because they are so good at what they do they enjoy it.
Let them manage thier code and quit bitching, not all OSS is a community OSS.
community (ala jakarta) are awesome and lovely, and better then browsing pr0n.
greenday on tv. it all keeps adding up... I think I cracking up.... hdfkasu0 rar.
It will be released WITH longhorn, i.e. (pun intended) it will equal the longhorn installations.
If someone is using WinXP, no doubt their auto update will wrestle it on (SP2 installed itself onto my computer despite me trying to keep it off.. my machine suddenly restarted... oh well - it recognised zonealarm and AVGfree)
Is it right for Microsoft to release IE7 as a critical update to winXP? especially when it means they get to force it on (really, because of all the other issues)
windows updates are like eu fishing bills, they look innocent but some fucker has crammed some shit DRM or patent crap in there, fuckers
no, I meant just to say that carrots and rat tests have been shown.
If the news article was clearer, then it would have shown to me that the new part of it was the chemical, in retrospect it was clear, but the title should have been:
'anti-carinogen isolated in carrots'
My whole office is on a 2 carrots a day scheme after we calculated that 1/3 of us has a direct relative (or by direct relative marriage) dying of cancer.
Wake up call... I am healthy for now... but carrots it is (and tomatos)
and I am all up for a free gps device.
Except it wont be free. Most of the petrol taxes will go into funding this lunatic scheme.
Why not check in your odometer ever 1 year (with service) and pay then
Oh, I know, because we have to find uses for technology, big fucking deal.
This sounds like PLAN X made to look like plan Y, so not to scare people where plan X is, lets spy on people, and plan Y is let spretend to be eco conscious and pay our cousin a nice backhander for his faltering gps company.
Just fucking check your odometer in one a year for your fucking service and stop abusing our technology, that, erm, people died for! yeah, we own it, not you guys
public service announcement by "had to by stupid gifts to survive valentines day"
This is merely a design / storage question. It has no special case for OO.
You must design a save game file format, and this can be as easy/hard in any language.
Of course, OO like Java has object serialization and XMLSerialization. This is a way of storing data from an object directly into a file in a symmetric way.
This is not a question about OO, this is a fairly dumb question
As game saves are file formats, it makes it a design issue, not related to OO mechanics.
If you care to check out my other posts on the subject of EU patents, I do wonder just where Microsoft would be behind the curtains.
In the everlasting words of Bill Gates "Suprise Fuckers!".
Well, I think this is obviously a way of setting up a legal platform to kill linux (after SCO failed) by removing the last bastion of patent turf war.
We need to have out own patent office, the GNUPatent office, and get it recognised.
Wake up call....
Dear RIAA,
PWNED,
Toddy boy
Microsoft reared their ugly head even in this field, they realised that if anyone patented half-human half-animal freaks, then they might have to pay royalties for Steve Balmer!
Microsoft, bringing you dancing men with sweaty bouncing breasts since 1975.
is removing your right to possess and operate visual recording equiptment in this area. in doing so they have violated your rights, as this is a public area, and also have devalued your equiptement, which now is less effective in that area than before the installation.
Take two cameras, and tell them, if you won't let me take a picture, then it means you should pay me for the damages you have caused.
This happens to be the same as how much you want to charge me, and as I have two cameras, I will use one and we are even.
And when they still think they have th euppoer hand for you having to squirm your way through that apologetic denial of payment, you shoudl bludgeon them in the temple with a bowling pin.
works every time.
So the good people must be charging rent for this gift huh? or is the public space it is taking up being given as a gift back to them to store they regifted christmas present?
Also, this seems to be a good will public relations backhander going down.
Utter idiocy. At least you can have your pet pigeon shit on it for free.
Or spit on it, that isn't illegal you know... do it when they try and charge you, or when the poor mental artist is there.
sorry, hit a nerve
WTF, who is reading this discussion so late?
Anyway, if you read my comment I did not advocate the use of keybaord patterns. ok. read slower, give yourself a chance to catch up.