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Stonehenge Version 2.0 Completed

Antarctic Lemur writes "The Stonehenge project previously mentioned has been completed near Wellington, New Zealand. This newer version utilises multiple ancient astronomical technologies (scroll down) and the BBC reports it is wired for sound."

256 comments

  1. First Monolith! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    There can be only one!

    1. Re:First Monolith! by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Washington State has had it's own Stonehenge, accurately represented, for well nigh over 75 years now- why couldn't the astronomy students have just visited there?

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    2. Re:First Monolith! by ztirffritz · · Score: 1

      Apparently you've never been to or heard of the Maryhill Museum in Washington state. http://www.spokaneoutdoors.com/stonehg.htm

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    3. Re:First Monolith! by gdewis · · Score: 1

      In the early 1990's, I visited a concrete replica of Stonehenge built by Sam Hill (yes, the Sam Hill) on the remains of the Maryhill townsite on the north shore of the Columbia River in Washington, about three miles away from the Sam Hill Museum. It was probably the first monument for those who died in World War I.

  2. But, what is it good for? by ABeowulfCluster · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    But.. the first stonehenge is just a bunch of rocks. What is it good for?

    1. Re:But, what is it good for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah!

      I've been waiting for 2.0 for a long time now!
      Finally out of the RC stage!

    2. Re:But, what is it good for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Being in danger of being crushed by dwarves?

    3. Re:But, what is it good for? by contagious_d · · Score: 2, Insightful

      nothing, thats why they had to make this new one.

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    4. Re:But, what is it good for? by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 3, Funny

      What's it good for? It's a practical joke that takes 4000 years to hatch. I'm sure we can all respect that. Imagine what kind of nutty stories they will come up with. "The people of the early 21 century used to sacrifice virgins here." Haha, it is the funnay.

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    5. Re:But, what is it good for? by Inverse+Icarus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's a testament to the fundamental principles of the ancient methodologies of astronomy, that you can actually go in to and look at. I've never been do the one in Salisbury, but from what I've heard of it you're not allowed to go near the rocks, let alone inside.

    6. Re:But, what is it good for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Unfortunately, Micro$oft already had a patent on it.

    7. Re:But, what is it good for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Generating profits from tourism, for one.

    8. Re:But, what is it good for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I wonder how heavy the security patches are.

    9. Re:But, what is it good for? by SPY_jmr1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ahhhhh, STONE! HENGE! Whaattt is it good for? Absolutly Nothin'! Say it again y'all!!!....

    10. Re:But, what is it good for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who cares what they're for. What I want to know is how long it will take to build a Beowulf Cluster of these things... [/mandatory beowulf cluster joke]

    11. Re:But, what is it good for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These moderations go to -11. Oh, and I have no sense of humor.

    12. Re:But, what is it good for? by mbrewthx · · Score: 1

      1) study pagamisn and virgin sacrfices
      3) create replica of Stonehenge
      4) ?????
      5) Profit

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    13. Re:But, what is it good for? by mbrewthx · · Score: 1

      crap forgot
      2) wonder how to pay off student loans

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    14. Re:But, what is it good for? by YankeeInExile · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let me understand ... one of the dominant pastimes of the slashdot communal consciousness is playing computer games, and you have the audacity to ask What is it good for??

      Well, if nothing else it's an excuse to go visit the big room with the blue ceiling. And since Kiwi summers are during winter for the vast majority of us, it sounds like a great time to enjoy their version of the big room while our neighbors are up to their tits in snowbanks.

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    15. Re:But, what is it good for? by PedanticSpellingTrol · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      1) study pagamisn and virgin sacrfices
      3) create replica of Stonehenge
      4) shoot Rick Berman from a cannon
      5) Profit!

    16. Re:But, what is it good for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah yes, This Is SpinalTap. :-)

    17. Re:But, what is it good for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No no, they'll say:
      The people of the early 21st century tried to patent this shit here

    18. Re:But, what is it good for? by Apoklypse · · Score: 1

      no, finally out of the BC stage ...

    19. Re:But, what is it good for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many fucking spinal tap references do I have to see every day?

    20. Re:But, what is it good for? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Well, the "henge" in "Stonehenge" comes from the same root as the verb "to hang". The Middle English name for Stonehenge was "Stanenges" -- literally "Stone Gallows".

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    21. Re:But, what is it good for? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Go to Maryhill, Washington on the banks of the Columbia river where an astronomically accurate, complete and not-falling down Stonehenge has been standing for 75 years now. It's dedicated to the WWI dead of Klickitat County.

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    22. Re:But, what is it good for? by Dabido · · Score: 1

      No application is any good till it gets to the 3.0 stage! :-)

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  3. easy by esteric · · Score: 4, Funny

    Tourism.

  4. If this new stonehendge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..can survive a /.ing, it should last as long as the first.

  5. Units of Measurements by mrwoody · · Score: 5, Funny

    Before building it, remember that ' is feet and " is inches.

    let's see how many people notice anything weird

    1. Re:Units of Measurements by trollzor · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      this comment is a dupe of the FIRST comment from the previous mention

      I don't think it's mod worthy, in fact I think he should be taken to -1. But apparently he doesn't know how the moderation system works... you decide. I always see dupes of comments on slashdot I urge moderators to be on the watch for it.

    2. Re:Units of Measurements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      The units stated in the articles are metres. For the scientifically challenged of you, this is also a unit of length.

    3. Re:Units of Measurements by Mattintosh · · Score: 1

      ' is minutes and " is seconds.

      This site won't let me put a degree symbol in, so if you're using Windows, Alt-0176, if you're using a Mac, Shift-Option-8.

    4. Re:Units of Measurements by cosinezero · · Score: 0

      ...aannnddd for the film challenged, this thread was a reference to 'spinal tap'.

    5. Re:Units of Measurements by Inkieminstrel · · Score: 1

      Making a big deal of it would have been a good thing!

    6. Re:Units of Measurements by fsmunoz · · Score: 1

      This site won't let me put a degree symbol in, so if you're using Windows, Alt-0176, if you're using a Mac, Shift-Option-8.

      ... and if you're in Unix just edit the terminfo database and do a perl script using Perl::UTF8

  6. Nebraska offers you an alternative by helioquake · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Bleh, this is nothing compared to Car Henge in Nebraska.

    Screw astronomy. It's about used cars, man!

    1. Re:Nebraska offers you an alternative by Humorously_Inept · · Score: 1

      God, can you imagine what people in a thousand years will think of that if it somehow manages to survive... Assuming the wealth of our data doesn't.

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    2. Re:Nebraska offers you an alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know this all started with some caveman making a "modern art" sculpture and civilization after civilization kept making them after the records were lost on why the previous one was made.

    3. Re:Nebraska offers you an alternative by Antonymous+Flower · · Score: 2, Insightful

      digital storage and the internet are quite a bit more reliable than the library at alexandria. yet, digital storage may exist long after we've lost a means of retrieving and decoding the data. it'll give the next era of cavemen something to do for a few millenia, anyway.

    4. Re:Nebraska offers you an alternative by metlin · · Score: 1

      it'll give the next era of cavemen something to do for a few millenia, anyway.

      Like what, nibble at our DVDs trying to figure out what the hell they're all about? :-p

    5. Re:Nebraska offers you an alternative by nut · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how you work this out. The library at Alexandria was destroyed by fire, which would certainly destroy your DVD's as well. Even without such catastrophes CD's and DVD's have been known to oxidise and become unreadable in less than 10 years (in my own experience) can be destroyed by fairly light scratching. They certainly haven't proven to last for hundreds of years, as a great deal of paper has, let alone the thousands of years that some clay and stone tablets have survived.

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    6. Re:Nebraska offers you an alternative by QMO · · Score: 1

      As Isaac Asimov pointed out once. Though our ability to record and store data have increase, so has our ability to destroy it.

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    7. Re:Nebraska offers you an alternative by Humorously_Inept · · Score: 1

      Leave it to a pile of scrap automobiles arranged to emulate a quasi-spiritual construction that we know little about to weather any storm and confound future generations. It'll be a real head scratcher!

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    8. Re:Nebraska offers you an alternative by magarity · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how you work this out. The library at Alexandria was destroyed by fire

      Because there was just one Library but there's scads of computers all over the world.

  7. Uh-oh.. by evel+aka+matt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Eddie Izzard will have to update his routine now...

    1. Re:Uh-oh.. by Elmoogle · · Score: 1

      Second biggest henge in the world!

    2. Re:Uh-oh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      And we had the Pagans in Britain. You didn't really have the Pagans here. You had the Native Americans and it was much more of a warrior, aboriginal-type existence, and... we had the Pagans. They were into sex, death, and religion in an interesting night-time telly type of way. And we had the Druids! Long white robes, long white beards, early transvestites, didn't get their shaving together; and they built Stonehenge, one of the biggest henges in the world. No one's built a henge like that ever since. No one knows what the fuck a henge is! Before Stonehenge, there was Woodhenge and Strawhenge, but a big bad wolf came and blew them down, and three little piggies were relocated to the projects.

      found the transcript after a bit of googling some random place

  8. What.... by mbrewthx · · Score: 2, Funny

    You wanted it 18'???
    But look here you wrote down 18"

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    1. Re:What.... by flyingsquid · · Score: 1

      "I do not, for one, think that the problem was that the band was down. I think that the problem may have been...that there was a Stonehenge monument on the stage that was in danger of being crushed by a dwarf. All right? That tended to understate the hugeness of the object."

    2. Re:What.... by mbrewthx · · Score: 1

      So this new Stonehenge plays music???
      But does it go to 11?

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    3. Re:What.... by strelitsa · · Score: 1

      "If I've told them once, I've told them a thousand times. Its Slashdot and Puppet Show, not Puppet Show and Slashdot."

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  9. Oh dear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ...their webpage was made with Frontpage.

    1. Re:Oh dear... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean FrontHenge?

  10. Did they build the whole 18" of it? by EuropeanSwallow · · Score: 5, Funny

    Stonehenge
    Where the demons dwell
    Where the banshees live
    And they do live well

    Stonehenge
    Where a man is a man
    And the children dance to
    The pipes of pan

    Stonehenge
    'Tis a magic place
    Where the moon doth rise
    With a dragon's face

    Stonehenge
    Where the virgins lie
    And the prayer of devils
    Fill the midnight sky

    And you my love
    Won't you take my hand
    We'll go back in time
    To that mystic land
    Where the dew drops cry
    And the cats meow
    I will take you there
    I will show you how

    Stonehenge by Spinal Tap

    Sorry, couldn't resist... ;)

    1. Re:Did they build the whole 18" of it? by Associate · · Score: 1

      Home of the Druids?

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    2. Re:Did they build the whole 18" of it? by DwarfGoanna · · Score: 2, Funny
      (from imdb)


      David St. Hubbins: I do not, for one, think that the problem was that the band was down. I think that the problem *may* have been, that there was a Stonehenge monument on the stage that was in danger of being *crushed* by a *dwarf*. Alright? That tended to understate the hugeness of the object.


      Ian Faith: I really think you're just making much too big a thing out of it.


      Derek Smalls: Making a big thing out of it would have been a good idea.

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    3. Re:Did they build the whole 18" of it? by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

      I think you must have meant stoan 'enge

    4. Re:Did they build the whole 18" of it? by Suchetha · · Score: 1

      funny.. they don't LOOK druish

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  11. If a replica is good enough for you.. by PopeAlien · · Score: 4, Informative

    .. and you're in or near washington state, you might want to check out the concrete version in maryhill washington. It was built as a WWI memorial by the 'eccentric' Sam Hill after he was mistakenly told that the original Stonehenge was used for sacrifices.

    its not terribly accurate, and its not 'wired for sound', but its kinda cool none-the-less.

    1. Re:If a replica is good enough for you.. by bfizzle · · Score: 1

      The Maryhill Museum is worth the stop. The poor bastard who built it never did get his girl to come over.

    2. Re:If a replica is good enough for you.. by ender81b · · Score: 1

      Pfft. Us Nebraskan's know how to build a replica stonehenge... I present to thee... Carhenge

    3. Re:If a replica is good enough for you.. by bosquee · · Score: 1

      Good enough for me... It looks cool from the Oregon side of the river.

  12. Correction by game+kid · · Score: 5, Funny
    "The people of the early 21 century used to sacrifice virgins here."

    No, no. Us 21 century folks used to deflower virgins there. It's a circular, central location for, you know, services...and some summer solstice crap.

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    1. Re:Correction by baadfood · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Its the same thing. The point ultimately is, virgins enter the circle, but do not leave. Oh, and some blood is spilt.

      The problem is too many people too many people don't "get" a good metaphore.

    2. Re:Correction by xSauronx · · Score: 0

      Jesus christ....how do they manage to find so many virgins? I haven't been able to find one in years!

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    3. Re:Correction by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      RIGHT. Someone is Bogarting all the pussy!

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  13. out of the RC stage? by game+kid · · Score: 1

    But Google told me it was still Beta! Dammit Google, you and your subnet trial features...

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  14. Too bad it's fake by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 3, Informative

    It looks like it's made from plywood or some other material (not stone), from the pictures in the original wired article. Had they built the thing from real stone, it would last as long as the original Stonehenge - but given the price of such huge rocks, and the difficulty of building things with it, I can't say I blame them.

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    1. Re:Too bad it's fake by IGTeRR0r · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Eh, well, a sequel is just never as good as the original...:(

    2. Re:Too bad it's fake by maglor_83 · · Score: 1

      Looks pretty stone-like here and here.

    3. Re:Too bad it's fake by peruvianllama · · Score: 2, Informative

      It seems to be more wood and cement than stone, according to the BBC article...

      But the New Zealand group had to eschew the ancient in constructing the henge as even with modern building equipment, the henge would have taken too long to construct and would have been too expensive.

      Instead the society's team concocted pillars and lintels from wooden frames, covered those with cement board and wire mesh and sprayed concrete over the structure.

      I suppose this isn't quite as impressive as being solid rock, but with a budget of only 50 grand, this doesn't come as a surprise.

    4. Re:Too bad it's fake by tahii · · Score: 2, Informative

      If I remember correctly, it is made from wood, steel reinforcing and spray-on concrete.

    5. Re:Too bad it's fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Big fucking deal. Who cares if this stupid shit is still around 3000 years from now? Everybody will forget about it in two months.

    6. Re:Too bad it's fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actyally, it's concrete. And as it's newly finished, the concrete looks really ugly. Give it 20 years to cover with moss, grass to grow in the cracks, and it will start looking more natural.

    7. Re:Too bad it's fake by J.+Random+Luser · · Score: 1

      I live in New Zealand, and have followed this story with interest for some time. I thought it might have been done in ferro concrete following tradition I guess the Teamsters local priced themselves off the market.

      Sure it's only a filmset, but at least it's not one of Peter Jackson's cgi efforts.

    8. Re:Too bad it's fake by CamMac · · Score: 1

      Could you imagine the future if it was made to last?

      3000 years from now it will be called a form of ground to orbit communication... an ancient way to launch spacecraft... the center of a great sport or TV show... the remains of a great work of art... the first particle accelorater... or evidence that technology and intellegence where not globally spread.

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    9. Re:Too bad it's fake by CProgrammer98 · · Score: 3, Informative

      the construction method is described in the BBC article... timber frame, drywall, then sprayed with concrete.

      "But the New Zealand group had to eschew the ancient in constructing the henge as even with modern building equipment, the henge would have taken too long to construct and would have been too expensive.

      The eye of a 5-metre tall obelisk points to the south celestial pole

      Instead the society's team concocted pillars and lintels from wooden frames, covered those with cement board and wire mesh and sprayed concrete over the structure."

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    10. Re:Too bad it's fake by R.Caley · · Score: 1
      [...]"would have taken too long to construct and would have been too expensive.

      That would seem to indicate that they have sort of missed onr of the min points of the original.

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    11. Re:Too bad it's fake by ediron2 · · Score: 1
      From the BBC link: NZ$56,500, or $40,000 US. Yeah, 40 grand's gonna get you:
      • 24 upright pillars and connecting lintels that is 30m in diameter and about 4m high. In the centre of the henge is a 5m-tall obelisk, the eye of which points at the south celestial pole.
      • a tiled mosaic that runs out from the obelisk
      • a 10m analemma, the figure of eight pattern that the path of sun traces over a year.
      • six heel stones, the markers for the rising and setting points of the sun at solstice and equinox.
      While I find this next idea revolting, "Inside, with an eye to performances and weddings that will be held here, the stones are also wired for sound", perhaps the wedding fees can be used to subsidize and improve this thing. But seriously... weddings in an aged, scruffy, shotcrete-replica stonehenge!?
    12. Re:Too bad it's fake by baadfood · · Score: 1

      Maybe it should be called Woodhenge then.

    13. Re:Too bad it's fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      But the New Zealand group had to eschew the ancient in constructing the henge as even with modern building equipment, the henge would have taken too long to construct and would have been too expensive.

      What? It's too difficult to construct today using cut stone, but 3,000 (4,000, 7,000?) years ago it wasn't?

      Gawd, what a statement. Ancient Druids kick our ass moving stones.

  15. and if Sam Hill saw it by game+kid · · Score: 5, Funny

    he would still wonder what in Sam Hill it was for.

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    1. Re:and if Sam Hill saw it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Talk about low hanging fruit. ...and I bet you guys laugh out loud when you read Dr. Fun.

  16. Any virigins sacrificed? by nxtr · · Score: 2, Funny

    Seeing as how we're not a barbaric society any longer, they should just send them my way.

    1. Re:Any virigins sacrificed? by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 0, Troll

      We aren't? That's news to most of our beloved elected (and appointed) officals. What with the warmongering and all.

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    2. Re:Any virigins sacrificed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seeing as how we're not a barbaric society any longer, is that really a good idea?

    3. Re:Any virigins sacrificed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they would walk away still virgins.

    4. Re:Any virigins sacrificed? by forkazoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      you are liable to get quite a sloshdotting, if you want a bunch a virgins to come your way... Just post a URL!

    5. Re:Any virigins sacrificed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      poor thimg.
      Forgot to specify "female virgins".

    6. Re:Any virigins sacrificed? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Where the hell are you going to find virgins these days? (Other than young male slashdot readers, that is... I'm not sure you want many of them sent your way, unless... Michael Jackson, is that you?)

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  17. Check out Wikipedia by Man+in+Spandex · · Score: 4, Informative

    right here under Archaeoastronomy and Stonehenge

    We're still apparently not too sure what the point of these stones is but it seems credible to think that it certainly has something to do with lunar and solar alignments. Right?

    1. Re:Check out Wikipedia by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Possibly - since there was nothing else to line it up with. The builders were stark illiterates, who probably couldn't count, let alone measure.

      The "astronomy" stuff is what happens when you judge one culture my the standards of another.

      In Victorian times, when archeology was getting going, all the large buildings in England were churches, so the inference was that large buildings were for religious purposes. Sure the druids used it, but the Druids did not exist until after stonehenge had been in use for 3,000 years and abonadoned for 1,000. Furthermore, we have good solid evidence that the religious practices of the time involved shrines in the home, and not communal worship.

      The Computer/astrology thing came about in the 1970s, when all large govenrment expendature was on computers/space programs, so the assumption was that Stonehenge was a computer/astronomical something. Anyone who thinks it was important to predict the seasons for farming has never been to England. The wheather here is subject to enormous random variations, and folllowing a strict clock would get you nowhere.

      The lesson learned is that sonehenge, as the largest manmade thing in Europe at the time, was there to solve man's largest problem at the time. Mans biggest problem at the time of stonehenge was what to eat - what ever it was there for had to be connected with eating. (Yay - it was a stone-age McDonalds!)

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    2. Re:Check out Wikipedia by Retric · · Score: 1

      Possibly - since there was nothing else to line it up with. The builders were stark illiterates, who probably couldn't count, let alone measure.

      That sounds a little harsh I mean these people mined and transported HUGE freaking stones and then arranged them in a complex fashion. Which implies that they had fairly large groups spending years building something that lasts for 5000 years. They probably did not have a complex abstract written language but I think building something like that takes far more planning than your giving them credit for. OK they probably could not count to 100,000 and had no way to measure down to a 1/16 of an inch but they probably had a limited form of counting, measurement and even writing (even if that was just limited to marking the locations of where the stones go.)

      OK, maybe the "aliens" did it or they used there "magic" / "telekinesis" powers to just make it show up ... But, assuming there operating in the same world we are chances are they where keeping track of fairly complex astronomical events for 100's of years before they decided to build this.

  18. This Stone henge is illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    There is already a patent on stonehenge dammit. It is covered under international patent law.

    America invented stone. And henges.

    1. Re:This Stone henge is illegal by EdZ · · Score: 1
      News flash:

      England disputes patent under 'Prior Art'.

  19. For Christmas... by TrippTDF · · Score: 4, Funny

    I want my own henge. I'll even settle for one made of cheese.

    1. Re:For Christmas... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I shall build LEGOhenge!

  20. 2.0-RC1 by kernel_dan · · Score: 4, Interesting
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  21. Hugeness? 18"? by game+kid · · Score: 0, Troll

    Those are some good penis enlargement pills.

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  22. Re:Keeping the riff-raff out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hey asshole you forgot gypsies, niggers, lesbians and Gnome users. tsk tsk

  23. I don't need to see this one... by eomnimedia · · Score: 1

    ...I read the book.

  24. Always preferred Avebury by Centurix · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Mainly because my old local pub is smack in the middle of the circle. Ah, the days of sipping Wadworths 6X in the summer garden!

    There are several circles similar to Stonehenge in the area around Wiltshire, one not so well known circle is Woodhenge, which is a few miles north east of Stonehenge just past Amesbury. The whole area is full of barrows and free-standing stones. A lot of them are in the middle of farm land which makes it difficult to get to, and there are a lot of ancient forts around too.

    One funny thing I remember, walking past the entry gates to the stones one saturday morning walking the dog and there was a bus of American tourists doing the rounds, and I actually overheard one say "It's nice, but why did they have to build it so close to the road"...

    Something that a lot of people don't realise about the circle is that a lot of the stones were moved around a lot during the early part of the 20th century. Six stones were set up-right in 1918 from their horizontal positions by the office of works and the stones were closed off to the public. They've also been moved backwards and forwards to London for inspection and maintenance a couple of times in the past, they certainly haven't been standing untouched for the last 3000 years!

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    1. Re:Always preferred Avebury by ElderKorean · · Score: 1

      Was that the ones that a Doctor Who episode from many moons ago was set around? From memory there were stones in a vague circular arrangment amongst buildings.

      I could also be wrong as this was a looong time ago.

    2. Re:Always preferred Avebury by I+confirm+I'm+not+a · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Mainly because my old local pub is smack in the middle of the circle.

      I'll second the motion for "Avebury whups Stonehenge's arse", precisely because you can actually walk around and within Avebury's ring (and drink 6X in the centre - if there's a better beer I've not found it). The security-guards-plus-tourists-plus-carparking-at-L ondon-prices that dominates Stonehenge just pisses me off; at least at Avebury you can wander and dream and imagine without a fluro-jacketed tour-guide prodding you every two minues.

      Got to say I disagree about Woodhenge, though: I pretty much thought "nothing to see here, move along please" - just a whole bunch of concrete markers informing you where the original wooden henge was. Still, each to their own! I guess my imagination ain't up to the job ;-)

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    3. Re:Always preferred Avebury by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never fancied that pub - always looks crowded, some sort of biker haven too it seems. Nice to drive through though.

    4. Re:Always preferred Avebury by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Doctor Who episode to which you refer is "The Stones of Blood" from 1978 which was filmed at the Rollright Stones (also known as the Kings Men) in Oxfordshire.

    5. Re:Always preferred Avebury by BridgeGarth · · Score: 1

      Possibly. But there was also a six(?)-part TV series "Children of the Stones" set in Avebury. Very wierd, basically anyone who went to the village became a mad pagan involved in some 1000 year cycle of power.

    6. Re:Always preferred Avebury by Azghoul · · Score: 1

      Did you grow up there?

      I visited Avebury last July, went to have dinner at the Red Lion (IIRC), but their dishwasher was broken, so they had no plates and no dinner...

      It was quite spooky (and the "town" is absolutely tiny) but I was curious why it appeared to me that the "dry moat" surrounding the place was backward - big hill on the outside, ditch on the inside.

      That, and the loooong stretch of standing stones that head out - I think East - off towards Marlborough. Had a good dinner at the Oddfellows Arms in Manton, though. Bah, not like anyone cares. :)

    7. Re:Always preferred Avebury by Centurix · · Score: 1

      Hmm, sounds like things have changed. I haven't been back there since I moved to Oz about 15 years ago.

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    8. Re:Always preferred Avebury by reed · · Score: 1

      Yes, as one of those tourists I agree. I did manage to get a photo of Stonehenge-minus-tourists by lying down in the grass so that they were all just obscured. Looks cool against the sky too.

    9. Re:Always preferred Avebury by Centurix · · Score: 1

      Not too far away from Avebury is the remains of RAF Yatesbury where the infamous video clip for the KLF's Doctorin' The Tardis was shot. Cardboard daleks, shopping trolleys and a crap old car running everything over. Not quite the same Dr Who, but a classic music video none the less...

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    10. Re:Always preferred Avebury by Centurix · · Score: 1

      Yes, I grew up in Calne, a town further along the A4, past Silbury hill and Cherhill downs. We used to hang out at Silbury hill during the various fertility seasons to watch people dance around in the buff at midnight. The spoils of being a teenager with a car.

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    11. Re:Always preferred Avebury by Azghoul · · Score: 1

      (going totally off topic here, oh well)

      Of course, I've found that most of the time, those who are most likely to dance around in the buff at midnight are, in fact, those you LEAST want to SEE dancing around in the buff at any time.

  25. How about plastic? by Greyfox · · Score: 2, Funny

    That way when humanity is dead and gone and the original stonehenge has crumbled to dust, the alien species that finds our planet will know that someone was here. They'll STILL conclude that there was never any intelligent life on the planet, but they'll damn well know someone was here!

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  26. MOD PARENT FUNNY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's hillarious! Who modded it "-1, Redundant"? Should be "+1, Tickle-Tickle"

  27. Stonehenge attracts Hedge Monkeys by pomgolian · · Score: 3, Funny

    Driving past the original Stonehenge, one gets to see many hedge monkeys, you know the sort, unwashed and all that. I wonder if the replica with have kiwi monkeys instead?

  28. Is it still "working"? by Exluddite · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Precession must have some bearing on Stonehenge, and it looks like one hell of a thing to have to calibrate.

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    1. Re:Is it still "working"? by rkcallaghan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes.

      If "working" is defined as "does what it was originally intended to do", we may or may not be 100% certain of that, ever.

      The people of that era believed in Magic, in terms that specific rituals could coerce the divine to take action. If that was ever possible, it required Druids (no, not your D&D character), and we have lost a key element of the ritual.

      However, what we do know is that it had religious signifigence to ancient celtic people, and still today, there are people that will make a pilgrimage to Stonehenge for religious purposes.

      Whatever your personal beliefs, that it still has value to people even close to its original purpose so long after, is absolutely astounding.

      ~Rebecca

    2. Re:Is it still "working"? by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

      I am not sure what kind of evidence there is to suggest it was used for religious purposes. It seems to me that almost any archaelogical object which people don't understand the purpose of is labelled as a "religious artefact"

    3. Re:Is it still "working"? by Fallus+Shempus · · Score: 1

      I think the religious significance comes from the druids being a religious people.
      It doesn't work anymore though, but it did line up correctly when it was built, with whatever astral bodies it was supposed to line with, at solstaces etc.

    4. Re:Is it still "working"? by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

      AFAIK the druids were around at the time of the Romans which was 1000's of years after Stonehenge was built so just because they may have used a prexistant thing for religious purposes isn't evidence that that is what it was built for.

      I'm not saying it is not a religious monument but I think scientifically the best thing you can say is that we don't know why it was built.

    5. Re:Is it still "working"? by g0hare · · Score: 1

      The ancients actually repositioned the stones to take care of the precession over hundreds of years. Cool, huh? Like y2k fixes :-)

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    6. Re:Is it still "working"? by BridgeGarth · · Score: 3, Informative

      Stonehenge wasn't built by Druids. It was built thousands of years earlier. "The Druids" were not even a race, nor even religious sect as many believe. They were just one of the three learned groups in some Celtic cultures. (Another of the groups was the Bards who were expert in poetry, the arts, etc.; they are still honoured in Welsh Eisteddfords). They existed long after Stonehenge was completed and had only slightly less insight into its purpose than us.

  29. stonehenge by Dr.Opveter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Stonehenge is one of those things i always like to see on discovery channel shows.
    I think it's fascinating that it's hard to figure out what's the deal exactly. I wonder if this will happen with anything of our age in like 5000 years.

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    1. Re:stonehenge by Yaztromo · · Score: 3, Informative
      I wonder if this will happen with anything of our age in like 5000 years.

      Since 1979 we've known the answer to that question.

      Yaz.

    2. Re:stonehenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's fascinating that it's hard to figure out what's the deal exactly. I wonder if this will happen with anything of our age in like 5000 years.

      Hopefully that'll happen with the corporate greed and the emotional children we elect for presidents and prime ministers :)

    3. Re:stonehenge by NegativeOneUserID · · Score: 1
      I wonder if this will happen with anything of our age in like 5000 years
      Rushmore?
  30. 2.0 Optimized by Rii · · Score: 1, Funny

    Did they include extra bugs to be fixed when we buy the 3.0 upgrade?

    1. Re:2.0 Optimized by huntse · · Score: 2, Funny

      But imagine a beowulf cluster of these puppies!

  31. Re:MOD PARENT FUNNY (Don't) by helioquake · · Score: 1

    Don't need to mod me up there.

    It's a silly article and I was replying in kind.

  32. Re:Keeping the riff-raff out by Vellmont · · Score: 1


    I am concerned about unwanted influences sullying its image.

    You mean the image you just created of it? It sounds like an inexpensive replica of Stonehenge (the thing only cost about $40,000 US dollars to construct). It sounds more like a tourist trap than some kind of national treasure. If a bunch of hippies, wiccans, and new age nutters want to do a bunch of mumbo-jumbo at this place and they pay just like anyone else, who cares?

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  33. Goldendale Stonehenge by serutan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Near Goldendale, Washington there is a full-scale replica of Stonehenge that's made out of concrete. It was built in 1918 by a concrete tycoon named Sam Hill as a memorial for those who died in WWI, and is said to be the most accurate Stonehenge replica in the United States. There's also an observatory nearby with one of the country's largest public-access telescopes. Pretty interesting place to stop if you are going through Washington in the summer.

    1. Re:Goldendale Stonehenge by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      There's also an observatory nearby with one of the country's largest public-access telescopes.

      That would be Goldendale

      I was there a few years back when the state threatened to cut finding from this public park/observatory. They seem to still be in operation though.

      You should make it clear it's south central Washington right next to the Oregon boarder. Worth the trip to see the Maryhill museum of art and the observatory near by, but still 3 hrs by car from Seattle.

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  34. I don't need it either. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    /bin/date does it for me.

  35. Future Stonehenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It seems pretty clear to me that the what is going to stump the archeologists in 5000 years is our skyscraper foundations and what's left of our amazing superhighways.

    that building in the upper left corner of the model is a representation of the Amazon.com headquarters, btw.

  36. Someday, people will worship this by mveloso · · Score: 3, Funny

    Someday in the far future, people will worship this and marvel at the exquisite craftsmanship, while others argue whether the astronomical alignments are coincidences (as they must be, since they could not have known some of the alignments without advanced astronomical knowledge) or actual (because such precise alignments are impossible to be coincidences).

    Maybe stonehenge 1.0 was the original prank meme?

  37. Snow reveals more details by bananahammock · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What is definitely cool is that after it snows, the so-called "Avenue" is revealed. Here's one link: http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/filestore/stone hengeinteractivemap/timetravel.html

  38. OK OK but what will happen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when some archaeologists from 500 years in the future see this? What will they think of us?

    Just a thought.

  39. Can I Raise a Practical Question At This Point? by strelitsa · · Score: 1

    We gonna do Stonehenge tomorrow?

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  40. Re:Keeping the riff-raff out by rkcallaghan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is a well-known fact that hippies, wiccans, and other undesirables congregate around the orignal Stonehenge in England, which is seen as a source of cosmic mystical power and other such mumbo-jumbo.

    Sir, I invite you to take a World Religions course at your local community college. It might open your eyes a bit.

    There are "undesireables", by which I hope you mean "people who use the name of the religion without understanding" in every religion.

    As far as I am aware, no wiccans have ever gone to war and slaughtered entire civilizations over their religion. So whatever you may or may not believe in, saying that someone is undesireable because they prefer to visit a place of spiritual importance to them, is well, quite ignorant, and I am suprised you were modded up for it.

    ~Rebecca

  41. which one has the better solstice party? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't go nuts at two places at a time, any help is woelcomed,

  42. have you perhaps.. by Suchetha · · Score: 3, Informative
    ... seen this movie
    Ian Faith: Nigel gave me a drawing that said 18 inches. Now, whether or not he knows the difference between feet and inches is not my problem. I do what I'm told.
    David St. Hubbins: But you're not as confused as him are you. I mean, it's not your job to be as confused as Nigel.
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  43. One thing that often gets overlooked; by Biotech9 · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...when stonehenge is being discussed, is that a few hundred miles away in Dublin, Ireland, there is a megalithic tomb that is far older than stonehenge and the pyramids, and still functions today as an astrological calender. It illuminates internally only twice a year, on the longest and shortest days of the year.

    Certainly Stonehenge is impressive, I find it far more impressive that a 5000 year old tomb with clock function still works even today. resources

    1. Re:One thing that often gets overlooked; by nagora · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Certainly Stonehenge is impressive, I find it far more impressive that a 5000 year old tomb with clock function still works even today.

      Of course, Stonehenge has been upgraded several times. The hightly visible stones of the final version are quite new, as you say, but the original dates back even further than Newgrange. The oldest dates from the site are in the region of 10000 years old. Although, those parts don't seem to tell the time or anything like that.

      While a 5000 tomb with a Solstice marker is impressive, a site which was in actual use by people and maintained and updated for coming on to 8000 years is fairly stunning too.

      TWW

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    2. Re:One thing that often gets overlooked; by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you will find that it is not actually in dublin but about an hours drive north of it in the boyne valley - it would be much closer to slane or drogheda than dublin.

    3. Re:One thing that often gets overlooked; by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sun only illuminates the passage and chamber at Newgrange at the Winter Solstice, there is no alignment at the Summer Solstice. The Winter Solstice alignment works for a few days either side of the solstice mid-point (21st December in Ireland).
      Regards,
      Michael@Knowth.com

    4. Re:One thing that often gets overlooked; by Lug+Samildanach · · Score: 1

      See more about Newgrange on the following fantastic website full of facts about this mysterious site: http//www.newgrangeireland.com/

    5. Re:One thing that often gets overlooked; by Lug+Samildanach · · Score: 2, Informative
  44. Stonehenge in England = overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Maybe this is a bit off topic, but please do not visit the real Stonehenge. It sucks. I went there expecting to see these massive three story boulders, shrouded in fog and an aura of mysteriousness. Needless to say the "boulders" were significantly less than three stories high, there was no fog, and a sense of mystique was noticeably absent. Overall, i'd say it was an experience comparable to being kicked in the nuts.

    1. Re:Stonehenge in England = overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Overall, i'd say it was an experience comparable to being kicked in the nuts.

      That's remarkable. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing but any vista that gives such a strong feeling has to be art.

    2. Re:Stonehenge in England = overrated by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 1
      It sucks since they put a fence around it in the 1980s and started charging a fortune for admission. When I was little you could go and sit on the stones. Now you only get to do that at the solstices if you pretend to be a Druid. There's also the A303 trunk road right next to the site which detracts from the atmosphere, but this is being buried in a tunnel soon (the debate is still going on about how long the tunnel should be).

      Go to Avebury, it's much bigger and you can still hug the stones.

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    3. Re:Stonehenge in England = overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry I can't agree it's that bad.

      I rate it somewhere between watching golf on TV and going to the dentist.

  45. Welsh versus Nz by tod_miller · · Score: 1

    The welsh were the likly culprits who erected the first stone henge (well THE stone henge) as noted hyah, hyah, and hyah (cartman)

    5005 years ago.

    Welsh builder: alrigh' butty, you see we is going to be building dis 'ere, ok now, tell me again, what the fuck are these big sticky out ones

    Foreman: stones...

    Welsh builder: aye, stoaoaoaones. we have some of them in the valley. OK, whose coat is that jacket?

    Foreman: listen how long with this take?

    Welsh builder: not long, I have to be home to watch the sheep dog trials you see. Want some lavabread?

    Foreman: So I hear the .nz's are building one of these too...

    Welsh builder: what!? you don't say, well I'll finish this one first is my name is not daffydddd myffanwwwyy evans-jones.

    Foreman: ok look, gerrard, how long is this rouse going to last, your NOT FUCKING WELSH.

    Gerrard: eeeh, you fooking enleesh piiig. I speet on your choontree.

    Foreman: choontree?

    Gerrard: Cooon-treee.

    Foreman: cooowwwn--treeez?

    Gerrard: oh for pete sake old chap, country, bloody country, ok, fuck, i'd do anything not to be a plain old brit, this stiff upperlip is giving me sever jip.

    Foreman: right, look lively, lovely jub.

    Gerrard: cockney fucker.

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  46. Best spoken in a nasal East End London accent.. by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 1

    In ancient times
    Hundreds of years before the dawn of history
    Lived a strange race of people
    The Druids

    No-one knows who they were
    Or what they were doing
    But their legacy remains
    Hewn into the living rock
    Of Stonehenge

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    1. Re:Best spoken in a nasal East End London accent.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The druids were just celtic shamen. They persisted well into the historic era in Ireland, and until the christian vampire cult (drink this blood, have eternal life. Fucking vamps) spread to ireland in around the 4th century, flourished. After that, people who would have become druids tended to train as church ministers (the reason the Irish have so many odd saints is because each saint corresponds to an old Irish god, in a largely successful effort to convince the yokels nothing much had changed under the new regime) or as fili (bards, sortof like nonreligious and sarcastic druids).

  47. "A cult is an unpopular religion"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...as half of the saying goes.

    Wiccans are no better or worse than any other fools and charlatans who are too shit scared of the realities of life to take or accept responsibility for themselves.

    Whether you believe in some guy in a toga floating somewhere above the clouds, or in spirits which reside in the rocks etc, or any other such nonsense, it makes no difference: it's all utterly loserish.

    But hey, if you want to play witchy-poo dress-ups like some six-year-old, then whatever. Just don't preten that you're not emotionally impaired in a massive way.

    1. Re:"A cult is an unpopular religion"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh. An ex-colleague of mine once dismissed some fringe group as a bunch of loonies, yet he is a devout Baptist. I asked him what the difference between them was. All I got in return was a very sour look. Both groups -- indeed, all religions -- are based on nothing more than faith in an unsubstantiated, and unverifiable, 'Higher Power'. Religion requires one to ignore certain observable and empirically testable and confirmable realities. It's all based on fear and hope, and, as you suggested, the avoidabce of personal responsibility. Hope and pray that some supernatural bogeycreature will save you from the inconveniences of real life. So why criticise one religion or cult or other, if you belong to any of them? How CAN you criticise? I guess that good education is the key to breaking the shackles religion has ensnared human cultures in for so long.

    2. Re:"A cult is an unpopular religion"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess that good education is the key to breaking the shackles religion has ensnared human cultures in for so long. Albert Einstein believed in God, as did and do many other highly educated and intelligent people, obviously better educated and more intelligent than yourself. The vast majority of those who claim not to believe, and in particular those who pretend to have difficulty comprehending Creationism , are generally the less intelligent and less well educated members of our species.

    3. Re:"A cult is an unpopular religion"... by rleibman · · Score: 1

      Nice one, argument by authority: Einstein believed in God, therefore God exists. May I suggest a course in simple logic?
      The vast majority of those who claim not to believe, and in particular those who pretend to have difficulty comprehending Creationism , are generally the less intelligent and less well educated members of our species.
      Huh? do you have some source reference to back this up? I would probably imagine the opposite to be true, just thinking of the masses of extremely fanatically religous, uneducated people around the world disproves your argument.

    4. Re:"A cult is an unpopular religion"... by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

      And if Einstein told you to jump off a cliff would you do it ?

      I am hoping yes.

    5. Re:"A cult is an unpopular religion"... by paganizer · · Score: 1

      Whatever you are smoking, I want none of it.

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    6. Re:"A cult is an unpopular religion"... by QMO · · Score: 1

      Quotes:
      "Religion requires one to ignore certain observable and empirically testable and confirmable realities."
      "all religions -- are based on nothing more than faith in an unsubstantiated, and unverifiable, 'Higher Power'"

      As I am religious and my religion strongly engourages checking and verifying any purported truth in any circumstance, including official church statements; I would like to let people know that the parent poster is either dishonest or uninformed. I would prefer to believe the latter, since it's eaiser to correct.

      Another Quote: "It's all based on fear and hope"
      Religion aside, what do people run their lives on that isn't based on fear and hope?

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    7. Re:"A cult is an unpopular religion"... by JavaLord · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Huh? do you have some source reference to back this up? I would probably imagine the opposite to be true, just thinking of the masses of extremely fanatically religous, uneducated people around the world disproves your argument.

      Did you guys ever stop and think maybe there are dumb people who believe in God, and dumb people who don't believe in God?

      Or are you so diluted by your own beliefs that you can't understand that someone with different views than yours on this subject can still be intelligent and educated?

    8. Re:"A cult is an unpopular religion"... by rleibman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure, there are dumb people on both sides of the God argument. There's also intelligent and educated people on both sides of the argument. I've had great discussions with very intelligent and educated theists (including Jesuits at University)
      Where the difference lies is that there are few "atheists by faith", it is religion that requires faith, which almost by definition, is the abscence of verifiable proof or reason. It requires a measure of self-delusion, an otherwise consistently intelligent and rational person (e.g. Einstein) can still compartamentalize to the point of deluding himself that some supernatural (a loaded word on its own right) being exists. A good book to read on this subject is Wallace Matson's "The Existance of God", in which after very careful consideration of all arguments pro and con, concludes that one cannot reasonably believe in a deity, and that all discussions on the subject end up in the discussion of blind faith. One of my favorite phrases (and one I live by) is: "You cannot checkmate a man who refuses to play chess", if you refuse to follow the rules of logic and reason I cannot win a logical and reasonable argument with you.

    9. Re:"A cult is an unpopular religion"... by Tharn · · Score: 1

      I tunneled my way to the end of this thread so as to have the last word ;-) but as it turns out, you rleibman, have already defined it nicely. If I had a mod point, I wouldn't even be talking to ya.

    10. Re:"A cult is an unpopular religion"... by Dabido · · Score: 1

      "Where the difference lies is that there are few "atheists by faith","

      How can you say this? I'm sure there hasn't been a poll to see why people are athiests, but I have met plenty of people who are "Athiests" by faith.

      To argue against the existance of God, (or a God) even through logic first requires that the nature of God is known. If you talk to most Athiests, they will confirm that if "God" or "A God" was to turn up on Earth tomorrow, they would certainly believe (provided of course that reasonable proof was given to them).

      Unless an athiest has 100% proof that "God" or "A God" does not exist, regardless of how much evidence or logic they beleive they have on their side, they really are "Athiests by Faith".

      Of course, the fact is, you cannot prove a negative. In the arguement of "Does God exists?", only the side which is arguing that "God" (he/she or it) does exist, can ever prove thier claim. The fact that they are yet to do this, is the reason athiests and agnostics exist. (And even if they did have 100% proof, there would still be some sceptics who will hold to opposing beliefs).

      I have met plenty of Athiests in my time who tell me they are athiests either because their families are, or because they think Darwin proved that God didn't exist. Both of these types of arguements are even MORE based on faith than someone who has logically thought about it. Anyone who has logically thought it through, is probably inclined to believe that the evidence suggests that God does not exist. Still, without 100% proof, they are really athiests by faith. (NOTE, this doesn't make them agnostics. I have had arguements with those who think that admitting one would change their stance when offered reasonable proof means they are on the fence. It doesn't.)

      Even to assume that someone like Einstein was "self deluding himself" is a bit of a far stretch. With many scientists believing that belief in God may actually be linked with something in our brain, or chemicals in our body, then obviusly Einstein would not be "self deluding". It would be something in his make-up which he has no control over. I read about this first many years ago in an Arthur C. Clark book where he claimed scientists were on the verge of finding the part of the brain which beleived in God. He thought they were going to be cutting this bit out of peoples brains, and making everyone athiests. It hasn't happened yet. (Oh course, with all I've read over the years, these scientist may still be wrong. I bring it up, as it seems more pausible than the mojority of people on the earth being "self deluding".)

      I'll have to have a look for that book you mentioned though. It sounds like an interesting read.

      Cheers.

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    11. Re:"A cult is an unpopular religion"... by rleibman · · Score: 1

      To argue against the existance of God, (or a God) even through logic first requires that the nature of God is known. If you talk to most Athiests, they will confirm that if "God" or "A God" was to turn up on Earth tomorrow, they would certainly believe (provided of course that reasonable proof was given to them).
      Except for the fact that under most rules of discourse, the burden of proof lies in the person making extraordinary claims. By your same logic, it would make sense to suspend disbelief in the existance of unicorns, superman, and super intelligent shades of the color blue. It is not reasonable to believe in the existance of any of these, and sure, I'll change my belief when I see some evidence, but meanwhile AFAIK they don't exist.
      Now, having said that, there ARE some arguments against the existance of God that to me sound perfectly reasonble, for that I take a more objectivist tack, starting from a metaphysics that my senses (in general) don't deceive me, that my senses and brain are the only means I have of observing reality, and thus mystic insight is mere allucination. Reality is real. There's no reason at all to believe in God, we don't need it to explain anything, and the mere God of the voids (the God that fills in the gaps of what we currently don't know) is just silly.
      Good luck finding the book, I discovered it in my University's library, but I did find a used copy through Amazon a few years back.

    12. Re:"A cult is an unpopular religion"... by Dabido · · Score: 1

      "Except for the fact that under most rules of discourse, the burden of proof lies in the person making extraordinary claims."
      I concure. I am not argueing in order to convert you to anything or make you reconsider your religious position. You say you are an athiest, I respect that. I was just pointing out that athiests are athiest from faith.

      By my arguement, Yes, we don't know if unicorns, superman or super intelligent shades of blue don't exist. I am not argueing to suspend "disbelief" in them, but to acknowledge that it really is a case of "AFAIK" they don't exist. If in ten years time a spacecraft turns up on earth which is full of Unicorns, of course we will change our belief. This is my entire point. AFAIK these things are not known to exist but I don't rule them out 100% that they don't exist. It doesn't mean that suddenly I believe that they exist out there somewhere. For me to decide conclusively that they don't exist though, is a matter of faith.

      The fact that there are arguements that God either does or doesn't exist which people use in order to make their decision still comes down to faith. Which arguement makes more sense to the person is up to the individual to decide. I have no problems with you deciding that for you, God doesn't exist.

      Let me clarify what I meant too with the line, "To argue against the existance of God, (or a God) even through logic first requires that the nature of God is known.". At present, each religion claims to know God's (or a group of Gods) nature. It may be that God does not have a nature similar to any of these, in which case constructing arguments to prove that "there is no God" are really only specific to the religion (or group of religions) which make those assertions.

      God (or a God) could turn up tomorrow and have a nature completely different to anything anyone could think of on Earth.

      I have read a lot of arguments for and against the existances of God/Gods, but nothing conclusive has ever been presented proves 100% either way. Without that proof either way, any position you take (either for God/Gods, Against God/Gods), is a matter of faith.

      That doesn't mean that anyone who decides either way is any less logical than the next person. Only that to them, the arguement weighs in favour of the decision they made.

      I hope that clarifies my position some what.

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    13. Re:"A cult is an unpopular religion"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for the fact that under most rules of discourse, the burden of proof lies in the person making extraordinary claims.

      The fact that you believe that humans evolved by chance considering how complex they are is pretty extraordinary in my book.

    14. Re:"A cult is an unpopular religion"... by rleibman · · Score: 1

      Chance? Chance has nothing to do with it. Perfectly reasonable scientific laws. Given the average ingredients in the universe, some energy and enough time (I mean a little more than the biblical 6000 years or whatever, something like 1 billion years before the process gets going) life will most likely happen. Life does not happen by chance, anymore than saying that an apple thrown to the air falls "by chance". Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxigen and Nitrogen (ok, a bit of Phosphorous and other smaller components) readily form the building blocks of life, add to that energy and wait enough, soon enough you hear the patter of little feet.

  48. Why bother-Stonehenge is depressing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Believe me, I've passed it often enough on the way to and from Heathrow. It is actually depressing. Not too be too snobbish or prone to flamebait, but the site is surrounded by a poorly maintained wire fence, has a hideous car park, and in the summer is full of gawpers who seem rapidly to have lost interest. And the heritage industry wants to turn it into a kind of theme park., which probably means even worse. Strangely, the problem is not really the roads that go past two sides of the site, but the appalling state of the site itself. It is clearly administered by people who really do not care. I suspect Stonehenge is so well known only because of its very accessibility and because of the lunatic books written about it.

    Unfortunately it was ever thus. There are some really ancient monuments on Malta and Gozo which are far more impressive - the Maltese one even has some of the carving still visible. Last time I was there I was really upset and embarrassed because I had to tell a group of US tourists to stop climbing on the stones. They had no idea how to behave on archaeological sites, or that they were doing damage.

    At one time it was seriously suggested that the real Stonehenge be closed off to the public and replaced with a concrete replica. Perhaps this is the answer to all valuable ancient monuments: make accurate replicas for tourists, ban the general public from the real sites and only allow access to people who can prove, perhaps by taking some sort of test, that they have a bona fide interest in the subject and understand that monuments must be treated with care for their own protection.

    1. Re:Why bother-Stonehenge is depressing by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 4, Funny
      Suggested that the real Stonehenge be closed off to the public and replaced with a concrete replica

      Surely this is arse-about-face: what is needed is to replace the tourists with concrete ones!

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    2. Re:Why bother-Stonehenge is depressing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the neighbors sure keep their law nicely:


      http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~pppf6/Research/Cro pC ircle/1996/gif/7july96.gif

    3. Re:Why bother-Stonehenge is depressing by Suddenly_Dead · · Score: 1

      Climbing? On an ancient monument? One wonders how people can be so utterly idiotic. This thing has been there for thousands of years, put some effort in trying to comprehend it, to feel it, to imagine it. Sheesh.

      No matter how hard I try to put myself into the shoes of people like these, I fail. I can generally see the world from other's POVs, but this type of thing just astonishes me.

    4. Re:Why bother-Stonehenge is depressing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better idea, allow tourists into the real site, BUT, only allow their astral body in. Tell them to park their physical selves somewhere where they can't break something.

  49. "wired for sound"? by commodoresloat · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does it go to eleven?

    1. Re:"wired for sound"? by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 1

      But will the sound system still be working in 4500 years time? - surely longetivity is the point of such things?

    2. Re:"wired for sound"? by AdolChristin · · Score: 0

      Ah yes, Stonehenge. Where a man's a man. And the children dance, to the pipes of Pan.

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    3. Re:"wired for sound"? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      No, everyone who bought the old 25 Megalith models last year it in a hurry to upgrade to the 33 Megalith version this year.

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    4. Re:"wired for sound"? by Hobadee · · Score: 1

      Yes, but sadly it doesn't have a "talent" knob.

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  50. Re:Keeping the riff-raff out by vrai · · Score: 2, Insightful
    As far as I am aware, no wiccans have ever gone to war and slaughtered entire civilizations over their religion.

    That's probably because Wicca didn't exist before the 1950s. Actual pagans, i.e. the people who lived in Europe prior to spread of Christianity, were just as brutal and violent as anyone else. The pagans of the British Isles and Scandinavia were very much a warrior society, hardly the vegetarian tree huggers that make up modern 'pagan' groups.

  51. Re: The Riff-Raff is the NeoCon Death Cult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    If a bunch of hippies, wiccans, and new age nutters want to do a bunch of mumbo-jumbo at this place and they pay just like anyone else, who cares?

    First off, I like to make clear, *sht has the right to practice ANY fucking religion he wants.

    I just wonder about when the religion involves murder. (At what point does an American holocost justify Christianity)

    *ush & Co. should move the party from Bohemian Grove to (where is this new stonehenge thing located? Damn I need to RTFA again...)

    After all he isn't Christian if he's practicing drudic ritual at Bohemian Grove.

    sidenote: fuck skull n bones

    OTOH - at least the hippies, wiccans don't lie about their beliefs.

    Hi, I'm George Bush, I am a Christian, that's why I send your fucking young kids to be slaughtered in iraq for a bullshit fucking war that was a big fucking lie about WMD. That's why I keep all you measley fucking pesants terrified. That's why I am lowering taxes for my billionaire friends, that's why we are pounding the middle and lower class into the fucking Concrete Red Mist. It's why I shread the constitution with the patriot act. And it's why Diebold, ES&S, and Sierra are doing so well. You poor fuckers will never have a vote count ever again unless you get rid of the unauditable electronic vote machines, and their insecure networks. Satan Loves Me. I'm his minion! Muahahahaha

    There's no difference between Red and Blue, except for the red mist. Republicans are Demoncrats.

    America was too lazy, too trusting, and now it's going to pay. The NeoCon Death Cult is going to take it out of your ass and your childrens ass.

  52. Wired for sound? by David+Horn · · Score: 2, Funny

    *Start deep mysterious voice*

    "This is God speaking... did you know you can get a 2 for 1 Big Mac meal at the Stonehenge McDonalds. Hurry - offer can't last!"

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  53. Time's up... by OSXexpert · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I haven't worn a watch or cared what day it is let alone what time it is for the past 19 years. It amazes me how many folks I know that don't know how to look up at the sky or at shadows and tell what time it is. If you want to know what time of the year it is, stand outside for a few minutes and sense the weather, the air, the brush... Maybe the important of Stonehedge is to get folks to pay more attention to the world around us and less to the overwhelmingly growing 40-65% of net income being spent on rent or a huge mortgage.

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  54. Very poor workmanship by nagora · · Score: 1
    The builders of Stonehenge would not have been impressed. The outside of the real thing's ring and the lintels are actually smoothly curved into a proper circle instead of having those ugly corners jutting out. Not to mention the central "horseshoe" of stones, several of which would require specialised equipment to move about a field today.

    This thing may have all sorts of unlikely stellar alignments in it, but that too is almost certainly nothing like the original, which has a few solar alignments.

    3/10. Must try harder.

    TWW

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  55. FM Radio? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, but does it have a built-in FM radio?

  56. Ahhh, the wonders of the internet! by Feztaa · · Score: 3, Funny

    I present to you: Cheesehenge!

    1. Re:Ahhh, the wonders of the internet! by SamBeckett · · Score: 1

      This last Christmas season, my wife and I went to a production known as "The Madrigal Diners"; anyway, long story short, on our table was a cheese and vegetable tray. I promptly ate all of it and asked the waitress for more. She brought me out at least 2 pounds of swiss cheese (as a joke). I decided I did not really want to eat that much swiss and built "Cheesehenge" out out of it instead in between acts.

      But I see now that I infringed on "Ben and Bob Production"'s IP and am headed to the authorities now to turn myself in.

    2. Re:Ahhh, the wonders of the internet! by Dabido · · Score: 1

      Not to mention Beer Henge - Legacy of Ancient Fluids! :-)

      Saya Bukan seekor gajah. Saya bukan sebiji durian. But th elok and smell may confuse!

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  57. and 1000 years from now by marafa · · Score: 1

    archaeologists will puzzle over the following facts:
    1. the muliple existences of several similar yet different looking henges (that carhenge.com is cool!)
    2. each henge while similar is different in construction material
    3. while religion may have played a part in their construction, astronomy was most likely the major reason for its construction
    4. only one of the henges are accurately aligned, the rest are ... puzzling!

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  58. Re: The Riff-Raff is the NeoCon Death Cult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kooky paranoid President-bashing word salad rendered in bold italic isn't any more impressive than kooky paranoid President-bashing word salad rendered in normal text.

  59. A better one in the central US by vrmlguy · · Score: 5, Informative

    The University of Missouri at Rolla has a half-scale version of Stonehenge on campus. (See http://web.umr.edu/~stonehen/) This one is constructed from solid granite, not easily eroded sandstone (like the original), nor wood, drywall, and sprayed concrete (like the one in New Zealand). Sam Hill built his version of Stonehenge in Maryhill, Washington before anyone knew much about the original and so it has no astronomical alignments; UMR Stonehenge has additional features and alignments beyond the original.

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    1. Re:A better one in the central US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Been there, saw it, incredible. Actually, I went to school at UMR, so I've even got drunk and passed out at UMR's 'henge. Of course, the one in Texas came after UMR's. ;-)

      Only 29 Daze til the best ever!!!

    2. Re:A better one in the central US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      UMR Stonehenge has additional features and alignments beyond the original.

      So... Stonehenge XP?
  60. You mean Stonehenge 3.0... by Momoru · · Score: 1

    There already is a Stonehenge II, in: Hunt, TX

  61. Quote and comment by thomasa · · Score: 4, Funny

    Astronomy is the oldest of sciences.

    It's not the oldest profession though.

    1. Re:Quote and comment by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      That would be prostitution, for anyone that's wondering.

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  62. Re:Keeping the riff-raff out by thomasa · · Score: 1

    Don't worry, since it is in New Zealand, it is upside down and won't work.

  63. Re:But, what is it good for? FB!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AC, Stonehenge you will find is in Old Europe! FB!!!

  64. Re:Keeping the riff-raff out by Antarctic+Lemur · · Score: 1

    We use the same logic to explain you upside down screwed-up Northern Hemispherites. :-)

  65. The most advanced henge in the world by nounderscores · · Score: 1

    And it still can't run Longhorn.

  66. Nice idea, lame execution... by utexaspunk · · Score: 1

    I like the idea of creating modern wonders- equivalents of the pyramids or stonhenge for today. We've got all of our technology and power, but we've built very little that is absolutely monumental. ...But the execution of this one seems a little lame. Why merely imitate an existing structure? And what is it made out of? I think James Turrell's work in Roden Crater in Arizona is much more interesting...

    1. Re:Nice idea, lame execution... by QMO · · Score: 1

      I think that tall skyscrapers are extremely monumental. Just think, the climate at the top of the building is different than it is at the bottom, because of the 1000+ feet elevation change. Buildings taller than some mountains are certainly monumental to me.

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  67. If I recall correctly... by Onan+The+Librarian · · Score: 1

    Stonehenge was nearly crushed by dwarves...

    (for all us ST fans out here)

    1. Re:If I recall correctly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stonehenge was nearly crushed by dwarves...

      (for all us ST fans out here)


      The only ST episode with a dwarf I can remember was from the TOS episode where they found that planet with the psychic greco-roman themed civilaztion, and that one didn't have any stonehenge looking constructions in it....

      Oh, you mean Spinal Tap... Nevermind.

  68. star gazing & hand waving increasingly popular by already_gone · · Score: 0

    If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and look upwards, and seek my peace, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear them, and will forgive their blindness, and will heal their saddened hearts, and their land.

    we suffered yet another banishment buy robbIE's fauxking patentdead PostBlock devise to post that line.

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  69. Just wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just wait a few years - maybe 10 or 20 years from now they will be claiming they had the first one and the one in England came later. Think I'm nuts? They are trying to steal the first flight from the Wright brothers. Everyone knows that everything came from America and was brought back to Europe. You do realize I'm kidding about the last part don't you? Just everything since the 1950's.

  70. Irony... by Chr1s-Cr0ss · · Score: 0, Redundant

    The original Stonehenge indestructibly stood up to the test of thousands of years. This new one can't even withstand a single slashdotting.

    I guess they just don't make 'em like they used to.

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    1. Re:Irony... by SEWilco · · Score: 1

      Slashdotting?
      What, you're not remote viewing it?

  71. Here's a thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe this is how pyramids and other monolithic structures propagated throughout the world? Let's say some poor Mayan or Aztec ends up in a position to see the great pyramids in Egypt. He travels back to his land and inspires his people to build a similar structure in homage to the Egyptians. When their civilization collapses we are left with the mystery of why pyramids sprouted up in different places around the world.

    When our civilization ends (by my reckoning in about 20 more minutes) the next one that sprouts up will try and connect Stonehenge in the UK with the newer one in New Zealand. Clearly the work of aliens...

    We as a species have forgotten more than we know

  72. woodhenge by spacepimp · · Score: 2, Funny

    theres an older creation called woodhenge, which i made the mistake of visiting. complete waste of time though cos wood rots. so i drove an hour from stonehenge to see concrete stumps in a field of sheep. quite the let down. yes this is off topic mod me down

    1. Re:woodhenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > to see concrete stumps in a field of sheep

      People who watch movies and (especially) TV get to see concrete stumps in the ground. People who read books and listen to radio programs get to see WoodHenge as it was.

  73. So happy birthday.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    A Curious Phenomenon

    Recently there has been a discovery of a curious phenomenon deep in the deciduous woods of Southern Illinois. In the midst of the underbrush there is a clearing revealing a circle of short wooden tree-stump-like structures. In the middle of that circle there is a post-and-lintel structure. The entire circular configuration is oriented toward the exact point at which the sun rises on the day of the summer solstice.

    Who built this structure? And for what purpose? To what end? A primitive calendar? A center of worship? A lost tribe?

    Woodhenge: A mystery that continues to cloud the American brain.

  74. Ah. by jpellino · · Score: 1

    Let me see if I got this straight - we've managed to slashdot a bloody great pile of concrete and chicken wire.

    Or was it merely trod on by a dwarf?

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  75. Uh oh... by rekoil · · Score: 1

    Better make sure your altitude stays below 2,000 feet...

  76. Re: Does it go to eleven? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and where are the dancing dwarves?

  77. Re:Keeping the riff-raff out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course no Wiccans have gone to war over their religion, seeing as Wicca is simply an amalgam of ancient European polytheism, 20th centtury new-Age blather, and a dash of eastern philosophy thrown in for good measure. Before hailing Wicca as a peaceful religion, please note that it's only been around since the 1920's.

  78. Foamhenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Near Natrual Bridge, VA is a Foam version.

    http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/VANATfoamhe nge.html

  79. You realize, of course by b-baggins · · Score: 1

    that Stonehenge 1 is, itself, a reconstruction, right? It was just a pile of tipped and fallen stones until a bunch of British archaeologists got together and rebuilt it according to their best guess of what it originally looked like.

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  80. Vandervecken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That Jack Brennans at it again.

  81. Yeah, but the NEW stonehenge? by PeanutGallery · · Score: 1

    Its even "wired for sound" I mean, back in the day all barbarism meant was bizarre pagan rites and human sacrifice.

    In the 2.0 world it means overcommercialization... I can see it all now: paying $5.49 for a "Stonehenge-dog" and being able to buy T-shirts, lunchboxes, and all sorts of other 'Henge memoribilia. And don't forget how the kids will love watching that adorble plush mascot "Mr. Hengie" in his zany new Saturday morning cartoon show. Barbaric, isn't it?

    BTW, Some of us live "off campus" others live "off topic".

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  82. Most amazing thing about Newgrange and Stonehenge by Lug+Samildanach · · Score: 1

    If you follow the line of Winter Solstice sunrise out of the chamber of Newgrange, it will eventually intersect with Stonehenge. What's more, this line continues through megalithic sites in Malta and on towards Giza . . . More at: http://www.newgrangeireland.com/

  83. You CAN access the inner circle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    You can walk around inside the monument, if you make reservations .

    I did this with some friends, and we got some AMAZING photos of the monument with the sun rising through it. Of course, we had to sign a release, stating that we would not publicly reproduce the photos due to copyright ownership, but that's another topic.

  84. Or you can rent a motorized glider by benhocking · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I went to Stonehenge (courtesy of Mad Max Tours) some loon (I mean that in the best possible sense) was flying in powered paraglider with an oversized fan attached to its back. He appeared to be steering with his elbows as he snapped pictures like a madman. He got close enough that I was sure that he was going to lose control of his craft and turn Stonehenge into Stoneunhenged.

    On this same tour we also saw Avebury, and I do agree that it was more enjoyable. I never did see the devil behind my shoulder, however.

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  85. Re:"my religion strongly engourages checking"... by Anomalyst · · Score: 1

    So, have you checked that inept religious scholars tout him as a citizen of Nazareth, a city not in existence during his purported lifetime. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazareth
    It is far more likely that, because of his association with "John (Yochanan) the Baptist", he was a member of the Jewish "Nazarene" sect http://www.nazarene.net/nazareneh.htm and ignoramuses munged that into his being from the yet to be founded town of Nazareth. Sorry, if they can't get these simple historical facts straight, how can anyone assign credibility to their more outrageous pontifications?

    P.S. Apologies to the originator of this argument, I was unable to find him/her in my searches. Fortunately, I was able locate some supporting references and used them here.

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  86. Re:"my religion strongly engourages checking"... by QMO · · Score: 1

    That is an excellent example of making baseless assumptions, that might even be true, whough there's no evidence. (Where did I state my religion?)

    Although the above did give an example of an argument tangentially related to my previous post it doesn't seem to directly answer the assertion that there may be a religion that encourages independent thinking.

    And my last point, about whether we make many decisions of any kind not based on fear and hope of some kind was entirely unanswered.

    Would you like to try again? If you have a real response to my actual previous post, I truly would like to read it, whether I agree with you, or not.

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  87. Re:Most amazing thing about Newgrange and Stonehen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Winter Solstice sunrise

    The rising sun, especially at winter solstice, is at an angle to the horizon. At NewGrange it may be only 30 degrees. It is thus possible to claim that 'the line of sunrise' is almost anything within a few degress depending on what hills form the horizon and where the observation point is.

    For example the compass bearing of the sunrise on that day from Stonehenge may be different by a degree, more or less, because the horizon is higher or lower.

    Almost any random line drawn across England is likely to intersect several significant sites. In this case they have drawn a line through Stonehenge at the angle they have chosen for the winter sunrise and found that it goes by NewGrange. Big deal. A few days later the sunrise line will go through Knowth, or Carrowkeel or ..

  88. Re:Most amazing thing about Newgrange and Stonehen by Lug+Samildanach · · Score: 1

    Dear Anonymous Coward, The actual point of sunrise is an azimuth, it is NOT an angle to the horizon. The observation point is the central chamber of Newgrange - it does not move as you contend. Also, we're not dealing with compass bearings, but true readings. Do you really think such an alignment was accidental? There is huge precedence to believe such a thing was intentional. Many many ancient sites are located along imaginary lines. And yes, the Sunset from Newgrange over other local sites is significant too, including Knowth as you mention. See the map of known or suspected astronomical alignments at this link: http://www.mythicalireland.com/ancientsites/alignm ents.html

  89. Re:Keeping the riff-raff out by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Hey, you don't have to start acting like a witch just 'cause somebody made an offhand remark about your religion!

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  90. Re:Keeping the riff-raff out by rkcallaghan · · Score: 1

    Wiccans themselves however would not be prone to war, its a very non violent "vegetarian tree hugger" religion.

    If you don't believe it is possible for a religion to exist in peace for an extensive period of time, perhaps a brief history of Buddhism and Hinduism is in order?

    ~Rebecca

  91. Re:Keeping the riff-raff out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Boy oh boy, did all of you get snagged or what? Are you actually taking any of this seriously? Neither you nor the mods get it. Anyway, I thought it was hilarious.

  92. stone-to-the-henge by rbriefmd · · Score: 1

    they should have a concert there like the Who did (or was it the stones?)