So the current situation with Catholics forcing their religious beliefs via contraceptives on non-catholics
Are you referring to the situation where the government wants to force your views on contraceptives on Catholic employers? In that case: no one holds a gun to your head and force you to work for a catholic. If you want condoms you can pay for them using your own money, try to find someone that will give them to you for free or find a new employer that will give you condoms. It's only one side doing any forcing here: your side.
when does an embryo switch from being a mass of cells, to a baby?
I will take my own religion's answer: at birth. This is neatly aligned with medical practice, easily adapts to advances in technology that keep premature babies alive, and does not require us to hold funerals every time a sexually active woman has a period. It is even supported by the bible, in case anyone cared (not that expect anyone outside of the religion to care).
Am I correct to assume you are referring to (a misunderstanding of) the case law in Exodus 2:22 and that your argument goes something like this: "Exodus 2:22 has a mild punishment for killing an unborn child. It is therefore a non person"? The KJV translates Exodos 2:22 as:
If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
Assuming that the child is dead is to jump to conclusions. The Hebrew term for miscarriage, nephel, is not used in this verse. The context don't imply that the child is dead. Because of this I don't see a need to argue that the mild punishment in this case don't imply that the child is a non person even if it was stillborn so I'll stop here.
You don't believe the doctor have the right to decide how he will use his own body. (What if not his body will he be forced to use to perform the abortion? What if not his body will he be denied to use to perform non murdering medicine if he refuse to become a murderer?) You also don't believe that the would be abortion victim have the right to decide that his own body should not be destroyed. Then you talk about the mothers rights towards her body.
You say a doctor can't push his ethics on others by refusing to commit murder. Then you argue for forcing your ethics on the doctor by the government's guns. (The government will point their gun towards him and force him to commit murder or never practicing non murdering medicine again, destroying the way he puts food on the table for his children)
What you wrote is modded insightful. My reply will probably be modded down. As God said through the apostle Paul in the Bible:
And just as they had refused to continue to have a full knowledge of God, so it was to utterly worthless minds that God gave them up, for them to do things which should not be done.
Sure. A religion where you go to Hel for failing to die in battle will definatly motivate you to avoid murder, rape, etc.* As we all know the vikings never ever did any thing like that at all.
Does Norway also have the Mob and gangs that will murder the other prisoners in their sleep?
Anders Behring Breivik, the Utøya shooter, is kept away from the other prisoners so they won't kill him. (A price tag has been put on his head) At the moment the prison is planning to build a high security department (article in norwegian) for him. So the problem is here but it's not as big as in the USA (yet).
It's called 'evolution'. And the radical terrorists don't believe in it, haven't you heard ?
According to his own manifesto Anders Behring Breivik, the guy that tried bombed a government building in Norway before he went to the ruling party’s youth camp and started shooting people, believe in evolution.
Gold is not fiat since gold have other uses than money. A currency consisting of gold coins where the value is the gold content would not be fiat. The same can be said for other commodities. (Not all commodities are created equal. I would not recommend an apple currency. They tend to rot and lose value. If you try to divide an apple it will rot even faster. The supply of apples can easily be inflated by farming them. It would still technically be hard money)
The word "imply" in "correlation does not imply causation" refers to logical implication. However, you are correct if you (as I suspect you did) say that a correlation may suggest a causation.
It's not merely a coincidence that those with less education are also more likely to be arrested, engage in criminal acts, have health problems, and generally have much lower incomes.
I've never heard of a libertarian complain that the government interfered in blocking union workers from aggressive strike behavior.
Not all libertarians are anarcho-capitalists. Randians for example would not mind the government stopping violent thugs.
I've never heard of a libertarian complain that he didn't wish to receive Social Security or Medicare, when eligible.
When a robber offers to return some of what he stole from you it's not immoral to accept it back. Most libertarians believe that the same thing applies to the state and what it taxed from you.
Why don't you buy some fucking gold and start your own insane version of the fucking Gold Standard with you and your two equally fucking deluded friends?
Perhaps he lives in the USSA and wants to avoid getting thrown in jail for "domestic terrorism" like the liberty dollar guy was.
Let's face it, any peaceful alien race probably has something like the prime directive in star trek and will go to extreme measures to hide their presence until we're developed enough to make contact. They've probably observed us enough to notice we're pretty much a warrior race or that we've got a majority that homophobic or discriminating against our own race on appearance and figured most of us would become xenophobic and they should stay the eff away.
To assume that aliens, if they exist, think like man, I can forgive, since it's hard to imagine another way of thinking even if an alien way to think would be more realistic. However, your assumption that they think like a small group of humans that only have existed for a small part of human history (that I assume you are a part of) makes me think you should expand you horizons a bit. The potential aliens might just as well reason like this: "They're not usable as gladiators for hire to entertain us, even if we pay each winning gladiator with the knowledge of a technology that is decades ahead of their level, as they have to many inhibitions to fight in an entertaining way. They're not advanced enough to make porn extremely superior to the real thing (something that wiped out all of our specie except our ancestors, blessed be their wisdom, that saw the evil of unproductive sex). Even without this temptation they not only allow unproductive sex but in many places encourage it, even between individuals of the same sex. Since many of them are offended by the idea of superior races of their own specie how will they react to our superiority? Better stay away." (Note that this alien still is peace full. It won't attack or force amyone to do anything. The gladiators are volunteers that go for their own reasons, like the hope to become rich from alien technology when they return victorious)
How do you know when know means know or something else?
I check the context. You do the same when you tell the difference between the meaning of "gay" in "that's gay", "gay rights" and "Make the Yule-tide gay".
Hint: sodom was nothing to do with gay sex, but a civil war.
Hint: Jude 7:
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
If you prefer it in the sodomites own words: "Where [are] the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them."
(part of Genesis 19:5) If your not familiar with Biblical language and are confused by the term "know", here is a hint: "And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived")
The ones in this group imo could not defend themselves if their life depended on it.
Already today you have gun owners defending their life and property.
However, the fact that your argument is wrong does not invalidate your conclusion: If you live in or near a city, a major disaster hits and people suspect that you have canned food chances are that you will run out of bullets, will to kill or the part of your aiming that depends on luck* before the city runs out of people wanting your canned food.
* training at shooting reduces that fraction but it will still be there
They're the poster child for how the US has gotten "free speech" wrong. Take a look at Canada, or most European countries. We enjoy essentially free speech as well, but what WBC is doing would be seriously illegal, as hate speech, and picketing a fallen soldier's funeral with signs like they have would land them in jail in Canada.
In that case I'm certain that you rejoice in the free speech of North Korea and Saudi Arabia. The freedom to praise the communist party in North Korea and to tell how awesome Mohamed was in Saudi Arabia must warm your heart. Personally I find any definition of free speech that only include approved speech meaningless. Real freedom of speech includes the freedom to say things both people like you and those in power hates to hear. That includes the right to say that God hates fags and fag enablers or for that matter to say that that some sort of speech should be banned.
The moderates are leaving the Church entirely or gradually sliding into the more conservative sects. I'm not sure what's causing it, I just know the membership of "mainline" Protestant denominations is falling in the US, whereas the very conservative wings (Baptists, etc.) are swelling.
Perhaps some of the moderates open their Bible and stumbled upon 1 Kings 18? "How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD [be] God, follow Him: but if Baal, [then] follow him." It should not be hard to understand what this means today: If the Lord is God, follow Him: but if man (or any other idol that has taken part of what belongs to Yahweh), then follow him. They could also have stumbled upon Revelation 3:16: "So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth."
This thread is about the US constitution but as a Norwegian I can assure you that the Norwegian politicians ignore our constitution just as like the US politicians ignore the theirs.
Yeah, like there's power in being a voter. But I don't see many supporters of minority parties celebrating because their interests are being represented in Congress.
The beauty of the free market compared to democracy is that you don't need to be in the majority to get what you want. The majority can buy from Motorola and others while you can freely buy from the those that cater to you. Personally I have an OpenMoko Freerunner. If you want something newer you could have look at GeeksPhone,Nokia 900 or one of the many other phones out there to see if they are free enough for you.
What do you think is the most likely reaction of a politician when he hears about this technology that makes it impossible for a user to change the software on his devices? Will it be to ban it or to make it obligatory so the government can put stuff in your firmware. (Only to be used against terrorists and pedophiles of course. (At least in the beginning. (At least officially.)))
You might feel differently if you weren't just dumping a girlfriend, but rather divorcing a wife and mother of your kids who you fully intended to spend the rest of time with and otherwise love with all your heart.
How can you be sure that the kids really are yours when you already know that she's an adulteress? You could of course get a paternity test but you shouldn't just assume that the kids are yours. She did after all fool you into thinking she wouldn't cheat on you. How can you be so sure she hasn't fooled you on who her children's father is as well?
But wouldn't he first have to sneak into your home and flash your NIC firmware, then sneak out again, and start the electronic attack?
There are plenty of people with access to your network card before it reaches you. People at the factory, those doing transportation, people working in customs, people near all the places the card is stored before it reaches you, etc. You may also take the card to repair once you got it. And if your computer already is compromised the malware can flash itself to the network card so it will survive a reinstall of the operating system and boot loader.
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I apologize for putting words in your mouth. I should have referred to pro contraceptives views and the pro contraceptives side instead.
So the current situation with Catholics forcing their religious beliefs via contraceptives on non-catholics
Are you referring to the situation where the government wants to force your views on contraceptives on Catholic employers? In that case: no one holds a gun to your head and force you to work for a catholic. If you want condoms you can pay for them using your own money, try to find someone that will give them to you for free or find a new employer that will give you condoms. It's only one side doing any forcing here: your side.
when does an embryo switch from being a mass of cells, to a baby?
I will take my own religion's answer: at birth. This is neatly aligned with medical practice, easily adapts to advances in technology that keep premature babies alive, and does not require us to hold funerals every time a sexually active woman has a period. It is even supported by the bible, in case anyone cared (not that expect anyone outside of the religion to care).
Am I correct to assume you are referring to (a misunderstanding of) the case law in Exodus 2:22 and that your argument goes something like this: "Exodus 2:22 has a mild punishment for killing an unborn child. It is therefore a non person"? The KJV translates Exodos 2:22 as:
If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
Assuming that the child is dead is to jump to conclusions. The Hebrew term for miscarriage, nephel, is not used in this verse. The context don't imply that the child is dead. Because of this I don't see a need to argue that the mild punishment in this case don't imply that the child is a non person even if it was stillborn so I'll stop here.
You don't believe the doctor have the right to decide how he will use his own body. (What if not his body will he be forced to use to perform the abortion? What if not his body will he be denied to use to perform non murdering medicine if he refuse to become a murderer?) You also don't believe that the would be abortion victim have the right to decide that his own body should not be destroyed. Then you talk about the mothers rights towards her body.
You say a doctor can't push his ethics on others by refusing to commit murder. Then you argue for forcing your ethics on the doctor by the government's guns. (The government will point their gun towards him and force him to commit murder or never practicing non murdering medicine again, destroying the way he puts food on the table for his children)
What you wrote is modded insightful. My reply will probably be modded down. As God said through the apostle Paul in the Bible:
And just as they had refused to continue to have a full knowledge of God, so it was to utterly worthless minds that God gave them up, for them to do things which should not be done.
Actually, the Norse religion was not so bad.
Sure. A religion where you go to Hel for failing to die in battle will definatly motivate you to avoid murder, rape, etc.* As we all know the vikings never ever did any thing like that at all.
* The thread starter's complaints.
Does Norway also have the Mob and gangs that will murder the other prisoners in their sleep?
Anders Behring Breivik, the Utøya shooter, is kept away from the other prisoners so they won't kill him. (A price tag has been put on his head) At the moment the prison is planning to build a high security department (article in norwegian) for him. So the problem is here but it's not as big as in the USA (yet).
Mendellian methods
It's called 'evolution'. And the radical terrorists don't believe in it, haven't you heard ?
According to his own manifesto Anders Behring Breivik, the guy that tried bombed a government building in Norway before he went to the ruling party’s youth camp and started shooting people, believe in evolution.
The newest version of the GPL, version 3, forbids it. GPLv2, the license of the Linux kernel, may allow it. Android is mostly Apache 2.0.
Gold is not fiat since gold have other uses than money. A currency consisting of gold coins where the value is the gold content would not be fiat. The same can be said for other commodities. (Not all commodities are created equal. I would not recommend an apple currency. They tend to rot and lose value. If you try to divide an apple it will rot even faster. The supply of apples can easily be inflated by farming them. It would still technically be hard money)
The word "imply" in "correlation does not imply causation" refers to logical implication. However, you are correct if you (as I suspect you did) say that a correlation may suggest a causation.
It's not merely a coincidence that those with less education are also more likely to be arrested, engage in criminal acts, have health problems, and generally have much lower incomes.
Correlation does not imply causation.
I didn't notice libertarians express any disinterest when their corporations got government bailouts, paid for by taxpayers.
Were you looking for it at all?
I've never heard of a libertarian complain that the government interfered in blocking union workers from aggressive strike behavior.
Not all libertarians are anarcho-capitalists. Randians for example would not mind the government stopping violent thugs.
I've never heard of a libertarian complain that he didn't wish to receive Social Security or Medicare, when eligible.
When a robber offers to return some of what he stole from you it's not immoral to accept it back. Most libertarians believe that the same thing applies to the state and what it taxed from you.
Why don't you buy some fucking gold and start your own insane version of the fucking Gold Standard with you and your two equally fucking deluded friends?
Perhaps he lives in the USSA and wants to avoid getting thrown in jail for "domestic terrorism" like the liberty dollar guy was.
Let's face it, any peaceful alien race probably has something like the prime directive in star trek and will go to extreme measures to hide their presence until we're developed enough to make contact. They've probably observed us enough to notice we're pretty much a warrior race or that we've got a majority that homophobic or discriminating against our own race on appearance and figured most of us would become xenophobic and they should stay the eff away.
To assume that aliens, if they exist, think like man, I can forgive, since it's hard to imagine another way of thinking even if an alien way to think would be more realistic. However, your assumption that they think like a small group of humans that only have existed for a small part of human history (that I assume you are a part of) makes me think you should expand you horizons a bit. The potential aliens might just as well reason like this: "They're not usable as gladiators for hire to entertain us, even if we pay each winning gladiator with the knowledge of a technology that is decades ahead of their level, as they have to many inhibitions to fight in an entertaining way. They're not advanced enough to make porn extremely superior to the real thing (something that wiped out all of our specie except our ancestors, blessed be their wisdom, that saw the evil of unproductive sex). Even without this temptation they not only allow unproductive sex but in many places encourage it, even between individuals of the same sex. Since many of them are offended by the idea of superior races of their own specie how will they react to our superiority? Better stay away." (Note that this alien still is peace full. It won't attack or force amyone to do anything. The gladiators are volunteers that go for their own reasons, like the hope to become rich from alien technology when they return victorious)
How do you know when know means know or something else?
I check the context. You do the same when you tell the difference between the meaning of "gay" in "that's gay", "gay rights" and "Make the Yule-tide gay".
Hint: sodom was nothing to do with gay sex, but a civil war.
Hint: Jude 7:
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
If you prefer it in the sodomites own words: "Where [are] the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them." (part of Genesis 19:5) If your not familiar with Biblical language and are confused by the term "know", here is a hint: "And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived")
The ones in this group imo could not defend themselves if their life depended on it.
Already today you have gun owners defending their life and property.
However, the fact that your argument is wrong does not invalidate your conclusion: If you live in or near a city, a major disaster hits and people suspect that you have canned food chances are that you will run out of bullets, will to kill or the part of your aiming that depends on luck* before the city runs out of people wanting your canned food.
* training at shooting reduces that fraction but it will still be there
They're the poster child for how the US has gotten "free speech" wrong. Take a look at Canada, or most European countries. We enjoy essentially free speech as well, but what WBC is doing would be seriously illegal, as hate speech, and picketing a fallen soldier's funeral with signs like they have would land them in jail in Canada.
In that case I'm certain that you rejoice in the free speech of North Korea and Saudi Arabia. The freedom to praise the communist party in North Korea and to tell how awesome Mohamed was in Saudi Arabia must warm your heart. Personally I find any definition of free speech that only include approved speech meaningless. Real freedom of speech includes the freedom to say things both people like you and those in power hates to hear. That includes the right to say that God hates fags and fag enablers or for that matter to say that that some sort of speech should be banned.
The moderates are leaving the Church entirely or gradually sliding into the more conservative sects. I'm not sure what's causing it, I just know the membership of "mainline" Protestant denominations is falling in the US, whereas the very conservative wings (Baptists, etc.) are swelling.
Perhaps some of the moderates open their Bible and stumbled upon 1 Kings 18? "How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD [be] God, follow Him: but if Baal, [then] follow him." It should not be hard to understand what this means today: If the Lord is God, follow Him: but if man (or any other idol that has taken part of what belongs to Yahweh), then follow him. They could also have stumbled upon Revelation 3:16: "So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth."
This thread is about the US constitution but as a Norwegian I can assure you that the Norwegian politicians ignore our constitution just as like the US politicians ignore the theirs.
The weakness of the mythical "free market" is that you cannot get what you want at any price.
That's a "weakness" of life in general, not just the free market.
There is power in being a consumer
Yeah, like there's power in being a voter. But I don't see many supporters of minority parties celebrating because their interests are being represented in Congress.
The beauty of the free market compared to democracy is that you don't need to be in the majority to get what you want. The majority can buy from Motorola and others while you can freely buy from the those that cater to you. Personally I have an OpenMoko Freerunner. If you want something newer you could have look at GeeksPhone, Nokia 900 or one of the many other phones out there to see if they are free enough for you.
What do you think is the most likely reaction of a politician when he hears about this technology that makes it impossible for a user to change the software on his devices? Will it be to ban it or to make it obligatory so the government can put stuff in your firmware. (Only to be used against terrorists and pedophiles of course. (At least in the beginning. (At least officially.)))
You might feel differently if you weren't just dumping a girlfriend, but rather divorcing a wife and mother of your kids who you fully intended to spend the rest of time with and otherwise love with all your heart.
How can you be sure that the kids really are yours when you already know that she's an adulteress? You could of course get a paternity test but you shouldn't just assume that the kids are yours. She did after all fool you into thinking she wouldn't cheat on you. How can you be so sure she hasn't fooled you on who her children's father is as well?
But wouldn't he first have to sneak into your home and flash your NIC firmware, then sneak out again, and start the electronic attack?
There are plenty of people with access to your network card before it reaches you. People at the factory, those doing transportation, people working in customs, people near all the places the card is stored before it reaches you, etc. You may also take the card to repair once you got it. And if your computer already is compromised the malware can flash itself to the network card so it will survive a reinstall of the operating system and boot loader.