After seeing this, I'm extremely glad I never bought one of the new iMacs. There is no way I'd pay $129 for a (relatively) minor upgrade. That's ridiculous! You already paid for OSX once, and they want you to pay for them to fix the shortcomings of their first release?
That's not a very compelling way to get windows users to switch. That's also not very compelling for a Unix professional who doesn't need an OS that holds his hand. I don't understand what segment of the market they are going after.
I'll stick with Linux on my cheap x86 hardware for now. With that I get everything I'd want from a Mac for half the price, plus more upgrade freedom, and software updates for free.
Actually, you can probably very easily get in touch with the developers of smaller projects and they will take you seriously. Just be friendly, remember that you're talking to people not a money grubbing corp., and be constructive and willing to help with testing etc.
I do not agree. Apple is very little threat to Microsoft at this point. In fact, Microsoft has much control over the fate of Apple, as soon as Apple becomes a real threat, Microsoft will just pull Office and IE.*
Microsoft is probably much more affraid of Linux, because Linux is free. Microsoft cannot undercut Linux and burn money until Linux dies.
* although I suppose this could change now with Mozilla and Open Office almost ready for OSX.
Am I detecting a very elitist attitude? I certainly think so.
That aside, there are many reasons Linux would benefit by having larger marketshare. Briefly...
1. Device drivers - hw makers can't ignore large segments of the market
2. Apps, games, etc. same as 1
3. Choice, currently, Linux is only an option for a small segment of the market, due to 1 and 2. OS develoeprs often tout choice as a reason for OS
4. Promotion of standards, ie. prevent MS from "embracing and extending" everything under the sun. Don't we want the web to be more standards compliant?
5. Legislation. If large segments of the market are using Linux, OS can't be easily legislated out of the market like some are attempting to do.
I think that's enough.
I'll be blunt, Linux does not need elitist attitudes like I suspect yours is. If I'm wrong, I apologize.
Also, I don't think anyone is suggesting that Linux completely blow Windows off the desktop, just that it acheives enough marketshare to ensure my 5 points listed above.
Don't forget that the offending bit of code was fairly small, NVIDIA definately DID NOT have to develop a NEW driver, they just rewrote a relatively small section of it. It took them almost no time at all.
This is a great example of pure FUD being spewed by Microsoft, they are blatantly misrepresenting the facts. In this case it's pretty much an outright lie.
Talk about lack of professionalism! Microsoft is a many billion dollar company, you'd think they'd have more professionalism by now. Then again, look at the current U.S. economy, it seems a lot of large companies these days lack professionalism, they're run by money grubbing greedy bastards.
I fail to understand your logic. Buying some off-the-shelf program for maintaining your website, and learning to program so you can maintain, modify, create, etc. your website on your own aren't even close to the same thing. I have never seen something off the shelf that will provide everything this book covers.
Sure, off-the-shelf products may be great for basic cookie-cutter style websites, but learning how to program everything yourself is much more useful.
But how's that different than a terrorist or anyone else operating across state/country lines who is guilty of murdering U.S. citizens?
It simply boggles the mind how these fucktards running our country can make a law for every single thing in existence in the world, covering the same crime by 50 or 60 different laws...
Grrr... obviously they don't have anything better to do than waste our tax dollars and pork interns(not just Billy boy, mind you, the whole lot of our public servants mostly), or possibly kill them. It is becoming excruciatingly painfully obvious that our public officials are not like the average American, they are much, much greedier and of much lower character.
Cany anyone say, Geocities? I thought you could... Remember when there used to be web pages there? Look at them now, are their servers even still there, I wouldn't know, haven't visited a page on Geocities in years. Soon as Geocities started shoving popups down peoples' throats, Geocities became the laughing stock of the whole Internet. They must be the least respected Internet company to have exist(ed?).
Of course, most people don't have anything other to occupy their time these days anyway, so they might as well watch their programming in all of it's purely marketing glory.
Heh, did anyone else see Minority Report? What brilliant irony, a film with tons of stuff showing how scary, invasive, and annoying advertising could become, is a film laced with product placement from beginning to end...
How long till the moon has a Pepsi or a Nike logo staring down at all of us. We the people, we the consumers.
I used KDE as my desktop before 1.0, up through 2.something. I switched to E when I got fed up with KDE's bugginess, and general lack of asthetic appeal. Then I switched to Gnome a while before 1.4, then when 1.4 came out I stuck with Gnome because of it's nice asthetic qualities, simplicity, and general stability, with only occasional annoyances, while KDE at the time had a few relatively severe crash bugs, and was still generally ugly looking. However, I like to stay up to date on things, and KDE, while 3.0 was pretty damn buggy, is a good desktop and I always download the latest major versions to check it out.
I never found the windowlist thing before, dunno why. Seems to work just fine though, so I at least got my answer;)
Anyway, when 3.1 is released, or at least in beta, I'll give it a try again. FWIW, I do have KDE 3.0.x installed on my work machine, along with Gnome 2.0(which I find to be somewhat problematic, but has potential). I like to use my office machine to test stuff out on, no sense wasting my time at home;)
KDE is looking better and better, so the reasons I stopped using it are getting fixed (at least IMO). However, one thing I dislike about KDE is that it's built on the QT widget set, which I have no interest in using at it's GPL, instead of LGPL like GTK. I want the freedom to be able to develop commercial software for my desktop of choice, but to be honest I have more interest in developing free(beer and open) software...
I'm rambling, I'll stop. FWIW, I wasn't complaining, just griping... or something.
Looking at these new screenshots, I can see that the KDE developers are improving the look/feel of KDE recently, which is very good because frankly I found it rather ugly.
One thing that keeps me from from giving KDE much attention is a small pet peeve of mine. The task list, I absolutely hate task lists, it's absolutely the the epitome of bad interface design. You have a horizontal list of application names, which are variable sizes, and the more you have the smaller they can be... ugg, disgusting.
So, my question is, does KDE have any type of drop down task switcher, a la MacOS<=9.x and Gnome? Or an icon box a la OSX and Enlightenment? I simply cannot stand the windows style taskbar, it's... you get the idea...
Looking at these new screenshots, I can see that the KDE developers are improving the look/feel of KDE recently, which is very good because frankly I found it rather ugly.
One thing that keeps from from giving KDE much attention is a small pet peeve of mine. The task list, I absolutely hate task lists, it's absolutely the the epitome of bad interface design. You have a horizontal list of application names, which are variable sizes, and the more you have the smaller they can be... ugg, disgusting.
So, my question is, does KDE have any type of drop down task switcher, a la MacOS
Thanks
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I don't mean to be rude, but you're being an idiot. Perl has a comparable solution to all that you've listed.
"Tag libs", I'm not even sure what that is, but where I work we use a templating system with Perl, so the html monkeys can modify pages without any understanding of Perl, or programming in general.
Post some benchmarks, Apache+mod_perl can be very efficient, if you're competent efficiency will never become a problem.
Perl has plenty of database apis and plenty of cacheing mechanisms to use to speed up anything you need.
I use Linux exclusively, but I sacrifice almost nothing in order to do so. I do have a windows partition, but it's broken and unbootable, and been that way for over a year. I originally setup that partition for a lan party, but never even used it, and before that I hadn't touched windows in over 2 years.
I even play games, native Linux games, and using winex, no need for windows. I use winex because it's easier than rebooting all the time. I don't even bother mounting my winblows partition in Linux, nothing useful there.
IMO, best of both worlds would be Linux and OSX desktop machines, and Linux/*BSD servers, screw windows, it's the only "modern" OS around trying to limit what the user does instead of trying to empower the user. Fuck that, computers are supposed to be general computing devices, not restrictive appliances like DVD players and VCRs.
I simply don't understand what is up with all the Perl bashing going on here. I think it is mostly a sign of ignorance, because most of the negative comments about Perl are simply false.
Many people say Perl is too big, has too many features, is too complicated, etc. This is simply false. Perl has tons of features, but, more than any other language I have ever used, you can use as little or as much of it as you want. You can pick up a Perl book and start writing Perl code in 15 minutes.
Perl is ugly, hard to read, "write only", etc. This is complete horseshit, probably stemming from lack of experience with using Perl. Perl is very easy to write and read. Where I work, I have a co-worker who is not a programer. He learned Pascal years ago, but did not do any real coding until recently. Despite this, he can fairly easily read and modify my code. Yet, he can't read or modify my C/C++ code at all, and it's usually very readable, very clean, simple and concise.
PHP/Python is better. A lot of people like to compare Perl to PHP and Python. Neither are "better", there really is no such thing. PHP is for web developers, and Perl can do everything PHP can do in nearly the exact same ways. Take a look at CPAN, there are so many Perl modules for use with Apache and web development in general that Perl is far, far more capable of a web programming language than PHP(IMO anyway). And Python, I've seen some absolutely fantastic stuff written in Python, but I hate Python, because it gives me a frickin headache. I cannot read/write Python, the lack of braces, indentation as syntax is just horrible on my eyes. Perhaps I'm slightly dyslexic or something, but when I'm looking at a page of Python code it all starts to swim and I cannot tell where each code block begins and ends.
Now don't get me wrong, Perl isn't perfect. There are some things that bother me about Perl 5. # for comments, not bad but I really wish I could use C and C++ style comments in my Perl code. A bunch of #'s just look rather ugly. Threads, Perl 6 will have decent thread support from what I understand, I wish Perl 5 did, luckily for me everything I use Perl for I can fairly easily use multiple proceses instead, still would be nice though.
I for one am looking forward to Perl 6. There will definately be a learning curve, but at least it will run most scripts without modification, will make upgrading much easier.
Oh wait... this is/., it's easier to get modded up for bashing something... ok... Microsoft sucks!;-)
Maybe because K5 is full of elitist wannabe-intellectual pricks who think they know and understand everything in the world that's going on outside their little cubicle, when in reality they haven't the slightest clue and most likely never will because their intellectual blinders are shadowing reality from their vision?
Or, like Loki, id, and some others... the Loki installer is a perfectly effective and free, easy to use, and reliable way of distributing commercial software. Others have made their own installers(* Office, yeck, nasty installer;-).
I have never had binary incompatibility problems with any commercial Linux software, on any distribution. And, unlike most freeloaders who read this site, I buy a significant amount of commercial Linux software.
I think my original message was a *bit* too harsh. Gnome 2.0 really isn't release material, but it's definately got *lots* of potential.
BTW, the panel bugs are already posted, hopefully I won't have to logout till the next panel release;-)
I'm really looking forward to Metacity. It looks to be shaping up really quickly. I think screwing with sawfish for the gnome 2.0 release was a *BIG* mistake, they should have either held off on the release till metacity was ready, or left sawfish alone and released with that.
I expect Gnome 2.x to rock at around 2.4, just like 1.x did.
I should have mentioned in my other post, Nautilus has *really* shaped up nicely. I can't stress that enough, it's quick, extremely pretty, userfriendly... If you use Nautilus a lot, you'd probably do well to upgrade to gnome 2.x now or real soon, despite the quirks.
For anyone using gnome 2.0 now, you might want to stick with sawfish 1.x for the time being, 2.x is way to crashy.
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That's not a very compelling way to get windows users to switch. That's also not very compelling for a Unix professional who doesn't need an OS that holds his hand. I don't understand what segment of the market they are going after.
I'll stick with Linux on my cheap x86 hardware for now. With that I get everything I'd want from a Mac for half the price, plus more upgrade freedom, and software updates for free.
Microsoft is probably much more affraid of Linux, because Linux is free. Microsoft cannot undercut Linux and burn money until Linux dies.
* although I suppose this could change now with Mozilla and Open Office almost ready for OSX.
That aside, there are many reasons Linux would benefit by having larger marketshare. Briefly...
1. Device drivers - hw makers can't ignore large segments of the market
2. Apps, games, etc. same as 1
3. Choice, currently, Linux is only an option for a small segment of the market, due to 1 and 2. OS develoeprs often tout choice as a reason for OS
4. Promotion of standards, ie. prevent MS from "embracing and extending" everything under the sun. Don't we want the web to be more standards compliant?
5. Legislation. If large segments of the market are using Linux, OS can't be easily legislated out of the market like some are attempting to do.
I think that's enough.
I'll be blunt, Linux does not need elitist attitudes like I suspect yours is. If I'm wrong, I apologize.
Also, I don't think anyone is suggesting that Linux completely blow Windows off the desktop, just that it acheives enough marketshare to ensure my 5 points listed above.
This is a great example of pure FUD being spewed by Microsoft, they are blatantly misrepresenting the facts. In this case it's pretty much an outright lie.
Talk about lack of professionalism! Microsoft is a many billion dollar company, you'd think they'd have more professionalism by now. Then again, look at the current U.S. economy, it seems a lot of large companies these days lack professionalism, they're run by money grubbing greedy bastards.
this is not text, the subject says everything, this is only here to avoid the lame lameness filter.
Sure, off-the-shelf products may be great for basic cookie-cutter style websites, but learning how to program everything yourself is much more useful.
Different tools for different jobs.
It simply boggles the mind how these fucktards running our country can make a law for every single thing in existence in the world, covering the same crime by 50 or 60 different laws...
Grrr... obviously they don't have anything better to do than waste our tax dollars and pork interns(not just Billy boy, mind you, the whole lot of our public servants mostly), or possibly kill them. It is becoming excruciatingly painfully obvious that our public officials are not like the average American, they are much, much greedier and of much lower character.
Of course, most people don't have anything other to occupy their time these days anyway, so they might as well watch their programming in all of it's purely marketing glory.
Heh, did anyone else see Minority Report? What brilliant irony, a film with tons of stuff showing how scary, invasive, and annoying advertising could become, is a film laced with product placement from beginning to end...
How long till the moon has a Pepsi or a Nike logo staring down at all of us. We the people, we the consumers.
So now I'm going to go with Linux and OpenOffice, soon as I can find a good replacement for... some program for making b'day, etc. cards.
note: I do not normally refer to MS as M$, but in this instance I thought it was appropriate ;-)
Oh dear God man, I would never want that! Is it really possible for that to happen to my Linux box with ext3? I'm switching to ReiserFS right away!
Thanks for the warning!
I never found the windowlist thing before, dunno why. Seems to work just fine though, so I at least got my answer ;)
Anyway, when 3.1 is released, or at least in beta, I'll give it a try again. FWIW, I do have KDE 3.0.x installed on my work machine, along with Gnome 2.0(which I find to be somewhat problematic, but has potential). I like to use my office machine to test stuff out on, no sense wasting my time at home ;)
KDE is looking better and better, so the reasons I stopped using it are getting fixed (at least IMO). However, one thing I dislike about KDE is that it's built on the QT widget set, which I have no interest in using at it's GPL, instead of LGPL like GTK. I want the freedom to be able to develop commercial software for my desktop of choice, but to be honest I have more interest in developing free(beer and open) software...
I'm rambling, I'll stop. FWIW, I wasn't complaining, just griping... or something.
Thanks though, I'll give that a try next time I check out KDE.
One thing that keeps me from from giving KDE much attention is a small pet peeve of mine. The task list, I absolutely hate task lists, it's absolutely the the epitome of bad interface design. You have a horizontal list of application names, which are variable sizes, and the more you have the smaller they can be... ugg, disgusting.
So, my question is, does KDE have any type of drop down task switcher, a la MacOS<=9.x and Gnome? Or an icon box a la OSX and Enlightenment? I simply cannot stand the windows style taskbar, it's... you get the idea...
Thanks
One thing that keeps from from giving KDE much attention is a small pet peeve of mine. The task list, I absolutely hate task lists, it's absolutely the the epitome of bad interface design. You have a horizontal list of application names, which are variable sizes, and the more you have the smaller they can be... ugg, disgusting.
So, my question is, does KDE have any type of drop down task switcher, a la MacOS Thanks
"Tag libs", I'm not even sure what that is, but where I work we use a templating system with Perl, so the html monkeys can modify pages without any understanding of Perl, or programming in general.
Post some benchmarks, Apache+mod_perl can be very efficient, if you're competent efficiency will never become a problem.
Perl has plenty of database apis and plenty of cacheing mechanisms to use to speed up anything you need.
I even play games, native Linux games, and using winex, no need for windows. I use winex because it's easier than rebooting all the time. I don't even bother mounting my winblows partition in Linux, nothing useful there.
IMO, best of both worlds would be Linux and OSX desktop machines, and Linux/*BSD servers, screw windows, it's the only "modern" OS around trying to limit what the user does instead of trying to empower the user. Fuck that, computers are supposed to be general computing devices, not restrictive appliances like DVD players and VCRs.
Everyone, quick, run for your lives, the enviornmentalists who've been predicting the end of the world for the past 60 years are right!
Oh... wait... they're not, nevermind.
Many people say Perl is too big, has too many features, is too complicated, etc. This is simply false. Perl has tons of features, but, more than any other language I have ever used, you can use as little or as much of it as you want. You can pick up a Perl book and start writing Perl code in 15 minutes.
Perl is ugly, hard to read, "write only", etc. This is complete horseshit, probably stemming from lack of experience with using Perl. Perl is very easy to write and read. Where I work, I have a co-worker who is not a programer. He learned Pascal years ago, but did not do any real coding until recently. Despite this, he can fairly easily read and modify my code. Yet, he can't read or modify my C/C++ code at all, and it's usually very readable, very clean, simple and concise.
PHP/Python is better. A lot of people like to compare Perl to PHP and Python. Neither are "better", there really is no such thing. PHP is for web developers, and Perl can do everything PHP can do in nearly the exact same ways. Take a look at CPAN, there are so many Perl modules for use with Apache and web development in general that Perl is far, far more capable of a web programming language than PHP(IMO anyway). And Python, I've seen some absolutely fantastic stuff written in Python, but I hate Python, because it gives me a frickin headache. I cannot read/write Python, the lack of braces, indentation as syntax is just horrible on my eyes. Perhaps I'm slightly dyslexic or something, but when I'm looking at a page of Python code it all starts to swim and I cannot tell where each code block begins and ends.
Now don't get me wrong, Perl isn't perfect. There are some things that bother me about Perl 5. # for comments, not bad but I really wish I could use C and C++ style comments in my Perl code. A bunch of #'s just look rather ugly. Threads, Perl 6 will have decent thread support from what I understand, I wish Perl 5 did, luckily for me everything I use Perl for I can fairly easily use multiple proceses instead, still would be nice though.
I for one am looking forward to Perl 6. There will definately be a learning curve, but at least it will run most scripts without modification, will make upgrading much easier.
Oh wait... this is /., it's easier to get modded up for bashing something... ok... Microsoft sucks! ;-)
I have never had binary incompatibility problems with any commercial Linux software, on any distribution. And, unlike most freeloaders who read this site, I buy a significant amount of commercial Linux software.
BTW, the panel bugs are already posted, hopefully I won't have to logout till the next panel release ;-)
I'm really looking forward to Metacity. It looks to be shaping up really quickly. I think screwing with sawfish for the gnome 2.0 release was a *BIG* mistake, they should have either held off on the release till metacity was ready, or left sawfish alone and released with that.
I expect Gnome 2.x to rock at around 2.4, just like 1.x did.
I should have mentioned in my other post, Nautilus has *really* shaped up nicely. I can't stress that enough, it's quick, extremely pretty, userfriendly... If you use Nautilus a lot, you'd probably do well to upgrade to gnome 2.x now or real soon, despite the quirks.
For anyone using gnome 2.0 now, you might want to stick with sawfish 1.x for the time being, 2.x is way to crashy.