and that increased functionality almost always comes at the price of bloat. Except you seem to be arguing that Microsoft supports the corrolary, but in reality, MS really supports bloat, and whether that has increased functionality is really very arguable.
The current MS shell (cmd.exe, most definitely NOT command.com!) is usable, barely. With some vbscripting, WMI, ADSI, etc., it sort of becomes bearable, but it takes much more knowledge overhead still compared to a Linux/Unix shell.
To use 'grep' or 'awk', you just start using them (in Linux/Unix). To use a regexp object in VBScript takes a lot more work.
sure, the pain is lessened by downloading either Cygwin or the various ported Gnu-developed utilities (i.e., grep, gawk), but because these then are not ubiquitous, one really is left to doing work with these utilities on the machines they control.
WMI and ADSI are pretty dang powerful tools, but they've been so completely under-marketed and thus underused, and the MS admin mindset is so typically anti-coding, that the reality is that even IF this new MSShell is da bomb, it's probably going to bomb for most people.
Plus, it's probably not going to be backported to Win2K. Since Longhorn is not going to replace all previously installed MS installations (how far has Win2K3 Server even penetrated in your company?), there will still be a lot of machines that won't have this cool CLI on them. And if you can remote into them with this new cool CLI tool, you won't be able to do half of the things anyways because they won't exist on those remote machines.
It's really the self-esteem of the Windows crowd that is at stake, not the self-esteem of the Linux/Unix crowd.
At the very least, if there are a few good things in the new MS Shell, they'll be added to Linux/Unix relatively quickly anyways.
Maybe not the software, but if we could look at the algorithms and system management software they use, it might be a different story.
Part of their skill seems to be identifying and developing efficient and simple ways to do what everyone else has done so far in a bloated, complicated fashion, both in execution and implementation.
The MCA bus was technically superior to EISA, but it was closed and incompatible and IBMs share of the market they created was less than 50% or at least fast heading that way....it was also greedily licensed by IBM. Who else licensed it from IBM? NCR did, and that's about all I can really recall.
Funny thing, though, fence materials (high tensile smooth wire, woven cattle wire, barbed wire, etc) still come in units of rods, even though they don't say it per say on the label. Even the european stuff (I still have a couple of rolls of Baekert green-coat high tensile woven wire sitting around, imported from Britain) is measured the same way. One roll of wire = 1 Rod in length.
It's silly to blame most of the "old" measurements on the US, when most/all of them had their origins in European or British traditional measurements...
Hmm... doesn't seem so wise in the long run. Look at where we are at now with the atmosphere, metals and PCB contamination in bottom-dwelling and pelagic fish, etc.
There is a limit to where things may go, unintended consequences, etc., that on a scale of the oceans, would be very hard to undo quickly to prevent a pending global disaster.
the fact is, that the deeper ocean water probably does have a role thermodynamically as a thermal sink, and that disturbing this on a sort of large scale would have wide-reaching effects. Think of doing something that stopped the Gulf Current (Oh, we must save the Saragasso Sea!) in 50-100 years or so... not to mention, heating up the water that is keeping those methane hydrates in their state and location...
Our accents (e.g., the woman in Frasier...wtf?), our culture and our history are regularly and comprehensively...
Uh...Daphne was Irish, and it probably was a subtle play on the "English Au Pair" stereotype in multiple ways, too.
But it worked for that show.
As for the US' patronizing or condescending view of Europe, in real life it probably would have been an Eastern European or Russian live-in ho...
Which is funny, because people everywhere (even in the US) make a big deal about the Hollywoodizing of the world, and it's viewed as a sort of American cultural colonialism, but it's all a sham. Hollywood's and the US Media's portrayal of life in the US is about as realistic as CNN's portrayal of life in the rest of the world to an American. For most things, except obvious trouble places, it's just like anywhere else.
Sheer boredom of doing the daily routine, dreaming of doing something ANYTHING else, but doing or not being able to do anything about it.
Just about everyone seems to have the same kind of problems, and seem to look at them more or less through the same beer goggles. What am I going to have for dinner? Will the kids go to bed early tonite? Did I get that thing ready for work tomorrow? Will the boss ask me to do a "special favor" for him tomorrow?
Luckily, at least in the US, we have shows like "COPS" to help us realize that maybe things aren't quite so bad.
Why not just throw a big wrench into Halloween instead and just wear those funky wrap-around sunglasses that sr citizens like to wear, and carry a mouse or two in your pocket and make like you're eating them for lunch.
(for the clueless/cluefree, the aliens in "V: Visitors" wore those glasses, and they ate mice for lunch, just plopped them into their mouths like wriggling kumquats)
Well, when an American buys stuff in Canada, they pay the GST at the checkout counter. Then, when they're going through customs, they're supposed to get a GST claim form, where they can put how much GST they contributed in Canada, and they'll eventually get that GST back in a semi-timely fashion (i.e., weeks).
Either way, if the game did have some inbalance, you *could* find it if you could be bothered:)
You've not played these online? You are likely to find out rather quickly some stunningly effective short-term strategies/techniques used against you.
Nothing like having 50 zerglings show up in your base, for example.
There are some imbalances that only become apparant when a few thousand monkeys have been set loose at the consoles to see what shakes out. Then, they come out with a patch that, oh by the way, adjusts unit parameters to take the most glaring imbalances away...
NatoGator's exactly right. If the code is open-source, even if it's for a "proprietary" platform, it means that any ideas or expressions in it can be implemented in other "purer" environments.
That's part of the monkeywork of programming, isn't it, taking implementations from one environment and implementing them in another?
And, since Aspartame is 100x sweeter than sugar (implying there's 100x less aspartame in a given drink), we're talking 10% of "not a whole lot".
The body can deal with methanol. Just not very much, especially w.r.t. EtOH.
Of course, if the people who are "allergic" to formaldehyde, etc., are to be belived, what if they consume products containing aspartame, but suffer no symptoms on the scale of their "environmental allergy"?
Isn't part of alcohol metabolism involve conversion to formaldehyde?
Small wine/beer companies have zero chance to compete against the likes of Budweiser, Busch, Coors and other lousy products meshed with superior marketing.
Yes they do, because anything the small locals will make will probably taste better than anything that Budwiser, Coors or Miller make/can make.
It also allows you to go on a vacation to Napa Valley, the Willamette Valley, the Yakima River Valley, etc., go on a wine-tasting tour, order a case of wine that you like, and have the winery ship the case to your home, instead of giving it to you for you to lug around, put into baggage on the flight home, etc. So now you only have to worry about the gorillas at FedEx, USPS or UPS, but their insurance is a lot better than the airlines' for damaged goods.
hlorite ions will form acidic solution; so HClO+NaOCl=bleach in water, which is a common disinfectant but would probably be a bad idea to drink.
Nah, not if it's not too strong. It just tastes like shit. Similar for iodine pills. Do you die when you drink swimming pool water? Putting a small amount of chlorox in water is a field-expedient water sanitation method (sorry forgot the ratio). It is much better tasting (relatively) if you can let it outgas for 24 hrs.
I thought maybe they were talking about water that was pressurized with O2 or maybe O3 instead of CO2...
Ever pour hydrogen peroxide on a big patch of road rash? I'd rather just use rubbing alcohol or listerine.
For EMS, there is no time to worry about sterilization (except for burn patients). That's for the ER/ICU to deal with. Blood loss, shock and trauma stabilization are FAR more important than quick sterilization.
You have cold foot injuries like trench foots.
You can get trench foot anytime, by having your feet soaking wet for several hours. Even if it's 80 degrees outside. Doesn't have to be cold.
Your stomach is full of HCl, but it's not going to burn a hole through your jeans when you barf on them. It's still at a pretty low molarity (it would probably destroy a lot of gastric peptides before they did anything if the solution was stronger), just strong enough to help break down sugars, eat most bacteria, etc.
Muriatic acid is HCl as well, which you can buy in 1-gal. bottles at Home Despot or Lowe's is pretty strong, much stronger than your gastric juices are. It's used mainly to nuke algae in swimming pools, clean algae and moss off of driveways and sidewalks, and react with aluminum in PETE soda pop bottle bombs.
But it's nowhere near as strong as the stuff that goes down the railroad tracks or behind a semi truck for industrial uses.
Having inadvertently swallowed a couple of mouths full of pretty strong solution of sodium hypochlorite and water (half water, half Chlorox), and lived to tell about it, most of the stuff that they let us buy for home use is pretty weak stuff compared to what you would find in a factory, pharma or ag chemical warehouse.
Math already has a standard meatworld/cellulose/chalkboard representation, familiar to just about everyone.
MathML simply allows one to simulate that kind of data interchange between computers, applications and people. The underlying message, though, is the same.
Having worked a bit with some 4GL-ish apps (PeopleSoft, some SAP), while they may share the visible results and the same ends, at the programmer/developer level both systems are about as different as LISP and APL.
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$STDIN, $STDOUT and $STDERR are "screen scrapers"?
Uh...no. They're streams directed at default objects, that by convention, are quite handy to use.
and that increased functionality almost always comes at the price of bloat.
Except you seem to be arguing that Microsoft supports the corrolary, but in reality, MS really supports bloat, and whether that has increased functionality is really very arguable.
The current MS shell (cmd.exe, most definitely NOT command.com!) is usable, barely. With some vbscripting, WMI, ADSI, etc., it sort of becomes bearable, but it takes much more knowledge overhead still compared to a Linux/Unix shell.
To use 'grep' or 'awk', you just start using them (in Linux/Unix). To use a regexp object in VBScript takes a lot more work.
sure, the pain is lessened by downloading either Cygwin or the various ported Gnu-developed utilities (i.e., grep, gawk), but because these then are not ubiquitous, one really is left to doing work with these utilities on the machines they control.
WMI and ADSI are pretty dang powerful tools, but they've been so completely under-marketed and thus underused, and the MS admin mindset is so typically anti-coding, that the reality is that even IF this new MSShell is da bomb, it's probably going to bomb for most people.
Plus, it's probably not going to be backported to Win2K. Since Longhorn is not going to replace all previously installed MS installations (how far has Win2K3 Server even penetrated in your company?), there will still be a lot of machines that won't have this cool CLI on them. And if you can remote into them with this new cool CLI tool, you won't be able to do half of the things anyways because they won't exist on those remote machines.
It's really the self-esteem of the Windows crowd that is at stake, not the self-esteem of the Linux/Unix crowd.
At the very least, if there are a few good things in the new MS Shell, they'll be added to Linux/Unix relatively quickly anyways.
Maybe not the software, but if we could look at the algorithms and system management software they use, it might be a different story.
Part of their skill seems to be identifying and developing efficient and simple ways to do what everyone else has done so far in a bloated, complicated fashion, both in execution and implementation.
"Echoes" by pink floyd is ~25 minutes.
p ages/record.asp?recordid=50594
I suppose one could loop "Victory at Sea" http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/gwr5/content_
The MCA bus was technically superior to EISA, but it was closed and incompatible and IBMs share of the market they created was less than 50% or at least fast heading that way. ...it was also greedily licensed by IBM. Who else licensed it from IBM? NCR did, and that's about all I can really recall.
The ante to get into EISA was pretty dang low.
Sort of like Beta vs VHS.
Funny thing, though, fence materials (high tensile smooth wire, woven cattle wire, barbed wire, etc) still come in units of rods, even though they don't say it per say on the label. Even the european stuff (I still have a couple of rolls of Baekert green-coat high tensile woven wire sitting around, imported from Britain) is measured the same way. One roll of wire = 1 Rod in length.
It's silly to blame most of the "old" measurements on the US, when most/all of them had their origins in European or British traditional measurements...
siphon effect doesn't scale much beyond 30 feet or so.
Trees do not use the siphon effect to move water around, but capillary action.
Hmm... doesn't seem so wise in the long run. Look at where we are at now with the atmosphere, metals and PCB contamination in bottom-dwelling and pelagic fish, etc.
There is a limit to where things may go, unintended consequences, etc., that on a scale of the oceans, would be very hard to undo quickly to prevent a pending global disaster.
the fact is, that the deeper ocean water probably does have a role thermodynamically as a thermal sink, and that disturbing this on a sort of large scale would have wide-reaching effects. Think of doing something that stopped the Gulf Current (Oh, we must save the Saragasso Sea!) in 50-100 years or so... not to mention, heating up the water that is keeping those methane hydrates in their state and location...
Our accents (e.g., the woman in Frasier...wtf?), our culture and our history are regularly and comprehensively...
Uh...Daphne was Irish, and it probably was a subtle play on the "English Au Pair" stereotype in multiple ways, too.
But it worked for that show.
As for the US' patronizing or condescending view of Europe, in real life it probably would have been an Eastern European or Russian live-in ho...
Which is funny, because people everywhere (even in the US) make a big deal about the Hollywoodizing of the world, and it's viewed as a sort of American cultural colonialism, but it's all a sham. Hollywood's and the US Media's portrayal of life in the US is about as realistic as CNN's portrayal of life in the rest of the world to an American. For most things, except obvious trouble places, it's just like anywhere else.
Sheer boredom of doing the daily routine, dreaming of doing something ANYTHING else, but doing or not being able to do anything about it.
Just about everyone seems to have the same kind of problems, and seem to look at them more or less through the same beer goggles. What am I going to have for dinner? Will the kids go to bed early tonite? Did I get that thing ready for work tomorrow? Will the boss ask me to do a "special favor" for him tomorrow?
Luckily, at least in the US, we have shows like "COPS" to help us realize that maybe things aren't quite so bad.
Why not just throw a big wrench into Halloween instead and just wear those funky wrap-around sunglasses that sr citizens like to wear, and carry a mouse or two in your pocket and make like you're eating them for lunch.
(for the clueless/cluefree, the aliens in "V: Visitors" wore those glasses, and they ate mice for lunch, just plopped them into their mouths like wriggling kumquats)
Yes, that means I'm old, like over 30.
Well, when an American buys stuff in Canada, they pay the GST at the checkout counter. Then, when they're going through customs, they're supposed to get a GST claim form, where they can put how much GST they contributed in Canada, and they'll eventually get that GST back in a semi-timely fashion (i.e., weeks).
They had RADAR, which helped for defence, but offense was substantially more problematic.
Well, too bad they didn't have Patton, or they would not have had problems on offense. *:)
Either way, if the game did have some inbalance, you *could* find it if you could be bothered :)
You've not played these online? You are likely to find out rather quickly some stunningly effective short-term strategies/techniques used against you.
Nothing like having 50 zerglings show up in your base, for example.
There are some imbalances that only become apparant when a few thousand monkeys have been set loose at the consoles to see what shakes out. Then, they come out with a patch that, oh by the way, adjusts unit parameters to take the most glaring imbalances away...
Well, people have been calling Spam (the real stuff) junk (and using it as a derisive term) for quite some time before 1988 as well.
Too bad the courts just don't laugh Hormel out for this one.
For most Americans, SPAM=SHIT.
NatoGator's exactly right. If the code is open-source, even if it's for a "proprietary" platform, it means that any ideas or expressions in it can be implemented in other "purer" environments.
That's part of the monkeywork of programming, isn't it, taking implementations from one environment and implementing them in another?
And, since Aspartame is 100x sweeter than sugar (implying there's 100x less aspartame in a given drink), we're talking 10% of "not a whole lot".
The body can deal with methanol. Just not very much, especially w.r.t. EtOH.
Of course, if the people who are "allergic" to formaldehyde, etc., are to be belived, what if they consume products containing aspartame, but suffer no symptoms on the scale of their "environmental allergy"?
Isn't part of alcohol metabolism involve conversion to formaldehyde?
Small wine/beer companies have zero chance to compete against the likes of Budweiser, Busch, Coors and other lousy products meshed with superior marketing.
Yes they do, because anything the small locals will make will probably taste better than anything that Budwiser, Coors or Miller make/can make.
Most homebrews taste better than those 3.
But it's hard to beat Hacker Pschorr [sp]...
Mmmm... Iced venti americano. Straight-up. Everything else tastes watered down after that.
But I like those Lindt "70% dark chocolate" bars, too (they're *almost* as bitter as baking chocolate, but still edible).
It gets harder and harder to have US milk chocolate candy, because it just has no...flavor. It's sweet, yes.
It also allows you to go on a vacation to Napa Valley, the Willamette Valley, the Yakima River Valley, etc., go on a wine-tasting tour, order a case of wine that you like, and have the winery ship the case to your home, instead of giving it to you for you to lug around, put into baggage on the flight home, etc. So now you only have to worry about the gorillas at FedEx, USPS or UPS, but their insurance is a lot better than the airlines' for damaged goods.
In other words, they'll finally force DeBeers to start draining their rumored 100-yr inventory?
hlorite ions will form acidic solution; so HClO+NaOCl=bleach in water, which is a common disinfectant but would probably be a bad idea to drink.
Nah, not if it's not too strong. It just tastes like shit. Similar for iodine pills. Do you die when you drink swimming pool water? Putting a small amount of chlorox in water is a field-expedient water sanitation method (sorry forgot the ratio). It is much better tasting (relatively) if you can let it outgas for 24 hrs.
I thought maybe they were talking about water that was pressurized with O2 or maybe O3 instead of CO2...
???
Ever pour hydrogen peroxide on a big patch of road rash? I'd rather just use rubbing alcohol or listerine.
For EMS, there is no time to worry about sterilization (except for burn patients). That's for the ER/ICU to deal with. Blood loss, shock and trauma stabilization are FAR more important than quick sterilization.
You have cold foot injuries like trench foots.
You can get trench foot anytime, by having your feet soaking wet for several hours. Even if it's 80 degrees outside. Doesn't have to be cold.
Depends on the molarity.
Your stomach is full of HCl, but it's not going to burn a hole through your jeans when you barf on them. It's still at a pretty low molarity (it would probably destroy a lot of gastric peptides before they did anything if the solution was stronger), just strong enough to help break down sugars, eat most bacteria, etc.
Muriatic acid is HCl as well, which you can buy in 1-gal. bottles at Home Despot or Lowe's is pretty strong, much stronger than your gastric juices are. It's used mainly to nuke algae in swimming pools, clean algae and moss off of driveways and sidewalks, and react with aluminum in PETE soda pop bottle bombs.
But it's nowhere near as strong as the stuff that goes down the railroad tracks or behind a semi truck for industrial uses.
Having inadvertently swallowed a couple of mouths full of pretty strong solution of sodium hypochlorite and water (half water, half Chlorox), and lived to tell about it, most of the stuff that they let us buy for home use is pretty weak stuff compared to what you would find in a factory, pharma or ag chemical warehouse.
VB vs VBA is not a good example of 3gl vs 4gl...
The magic that is VBA has more to do with the application-specific library, DAO and ADO. You can do the same things in VB.
ProC or ESQL embedded in a C program is probably more akin to what PL/SQL or Transact-SQL are to their respective database engines, wrt 3gl vs 4gl.
Math already has a standard meatworld/cellulose/chalkboard representation, familiar to just about everyone.
MathML simply allows one to simulate that kind of data interchange between computers, applications and people. The underlying message, though, is the same.
Having worked a bit with some 4GL-ish apps (PeopleSoft, some SAP), while they may share the visible results and the same ends, at the programmer/developer level both systems are about as different as LISP and APL.