I originally thought it was more like JSPs. You write the page in HTML like language and Java fills in the gaps at run time. If it was i could quickly alter any page to use it. Instead it's more like it compiles a Java GUI in to HTML and javaScript. While this is clearly very powerful and cool i have no practical use for it since my AJAX is just text switching. This is overkill and more trouble then it's worth. I was just hoping it was a quick way around writing the transport level AJAX code, but it's long complex way around writing the functional level AJAX code. It is nifty and cool but i just have no use for it.
In my last post I was not talking about GWT I was talking about JSPs. They do work as I described and have NOTHING to do with Swing or any other Java GUI. I should know I write them all day long.
You do seem to be correct about the GWT, that's disappointing. I was hoping that it would be an easy way to write Ajax based pages with out needing to dig to deep in to javaScript and all it's cross browser issues. But I guess not.
But it's not RUN in Java. It's run in a horrendous mix of JavaScript and HTML
It sounds like you are thinking about applets. That is a LONG dead technology. The way Java is used today is by having the server generate the HTML and send it to the client. JSPs make this easy. The client browser has no idea it is doing anything that is Java related, it just sees a normal web page.
hmmm, I hate to say it but you're right. Additionally nothing can tell me what it is written in. So it may still be Java but it is defiantly not the GWT.
You are also missing that the GWT that runs most of the apps on Google (like Gmail) is written in Java. Java's GUI has issues but that does not mean that Java does not have good uses.
In all seriousness Java (more precisely JSPs) do a really good job running web sites. Gmail (and many other Google apps) are written in the GWT and that is Java. All the necessary scaling code is built in to the JSP container so as long as you don't do something stupid you can scale the site with out a problem.
I can't do that with Java. I can fork it under the GPL, but I can't compete with Sun because Sun can also license their copy commercially.
So the issue is that you can not SELL a tweaked version of the JDK? I think you can if you pay Sun to do so. It seems to be part of what happened with J++ "Sun Microsystems had originally licensed Java to Microsoft but finally initiated litigation against Microsoft for failing to adhere to the license agreements to implement the Java language specifications fully.from wiki". Also I think Apple uses a tweaked JDK for OS X, but that too might be licensed.
FireFox does something along the same lines don't they? You can redistrubute the code but the name and icon must be changed.
Java is one of the most bloated platforms in history
This is a matter of opinion and off topic. I am very interested in understanding any licensing issues Java may have so please keep this thread on that topic.
Yes, sorry about that. I am still in the mind set of the original post. Also I am currently looking very closely for evilness on Suns part in all this. If they are doing anything shady I would like to know about it. I use Java a lot for work and honestly I enjoy it. I am considering playing around with Solaris and other Sun projects some more. So before I focus more on Sun tech I would like to know I don't have MS like issues to worry about later.
While "[Group X] has intentionally stacked
the [Standard Y] board" screams of miss behavior you say they are stacking against them self. What
is the motive? To make it LOOK like it's not Suns project but it really is? Low resources to screw it over? I am more then happy to admit that Sun is doing something evil in all this but this is the worst I've seen them do so far and it's not that big of a deal. Hell, you could argue it shows they want the community more involved in Java development.
so the only way to have reliable access to a third-party component is to have it bundled in the JVM.
I agree. However I don't know of any other better system. Can you elaborate on why this is Sun's fault? I don't know a lot about the additional license Sun has put on the JVM but I see no reason for it to prevent someone from tweaking and redistributing the JVM with added functionality as long as they state it is a tweaked version. Please correct me if I am wrong on this, IANAL.
Yep. The only difference is with Java you replace 'fork of the product' and 'patches' with JSR. Come to think of it since Sun is a big corporation they have to bend to pressure on things everyone wants. So it's unlikely you will have the same kind of stupid "We don't need that to be optional" argument that recently happened to Pidgin. (http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/30/1822237)
Yes but they let people have some say. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Community_Process If there was something that you wanted in Java you could make a Java Specification Request or JSR for it and hope it gets moved in. But we all want avoid bloat so this is a very slow heavy process. Take a look at this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history and you can see that several JSRs have been moved in to Java it self. I could be wrong but it seems that for Java 6 the additions to Java have all been from JSRs so it looks like Sun intends to have all new improvements go though the JCP first.
Come to think of it this reminds me a lot of other open projects. The code is open and you can suggest something should be in it. However if they say no you are SOL. You will have to compile the project on your own and add in your changes. What would you want instead? Is the only problem you have that Sun has final say in the JCP?
Yes. My logic is that we can design a reactor that uses some of it's high speed protons and neutrons to bombard Radon atoms and fuse or fission them in to something else. Breeder reactors do something similar but their goal is to make something not to break something down. This is why I said "some kind of reactor", I don't really know what you would call it.
In theory we should be able to do this for any radioactive element. As I started out saying "Finding ways to process [radioactive materials] would be best." Radon seems the best place to start. It's volume is (I think) the biggest waste storage problem. Since it is (I think) the only element in the decay chain that is naturally a gas it should be easy to separate out the atoms that change in to something that is not Radon.
Again, please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.
Finding ways to process it would be best. I get the feeling that since it's not currently a big problem no one is trying to solve it.
Correct me if I'm wrong but as I understand it waste is not as big of a deal as people make it out to be. The only problem with that kind of waste is that it's radioactive. Unlike coal and fossil fuels we are not really creating that much more volume of crap with radioactive waste. So if we put it somewhere that we protect it should not be a big deal. The only issue with this plan is Radon gas. Currently we catch it in water and store the Radon saturated water. What we need to figure out is a way to pump Radon through some kind of reactor to break it down some more so that we can turn it in to an element that is not a noble gas.
Not about why there is a delay but I am sure that one exists. I've seen it for other software too. My guess is one of three things happened 1)the Ubuntu team wanted to have FF3 running ASAP so they put a rush on that, 2) you installed a software repository that has the latest FF build in it, or 3)You are still on an RC but the about window is wrong.
dpkg shows the version as
3.0~rc1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.
I forget where I read it but that was the plan for RC3. They just wanted to make sure that it did not have any big bugs that they did not know about. Seems it did not
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I originally thought it was more like JSPs. You write the page in HTML like language and Java fills in the gaps at run time. If it was i could quickly alter any page to use it. Instead it's more like it compiles a Java GUI in to HTML and javaScript. While this is clearly very powerful and cool i have no practical use for it since my AJAX is just text switching. This is overkill and more trouble then it's worth. I was just hoping it was a quick way around writing the transport level AJAX code, but it's long complex way around writing the functional level AJAX code. It is nifty and cool but i just have no use for it.
In my last post I was not talking about GWT I was talking about JSPs. They do work as I described and have NOTHING to do with Swing or any other Java GUI. I should know I write them all day long.
You do seem to be correct about the GWT, that's disappointing. I was hoping that it would be an easy way to write Ajax based pages with out needing to dig to deep in to javaScript and all it's cross browser issues. But I guess not.
hmmm, I hate to say it but you're right. Additionally nothing can tell me what it is written in. So it may still be Java but it is defiantly not the GWT.
You are also missing that the GWT that runs most of the apps on Google (like Gmail) is written in Java. Java's GUI has issues but that does not mean that Java does not have good uses.
Would that be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closure_(computer_science)? Because they are thinking about putting it in Java 7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history) If you really want to do it now you can use reflection to make and load new classes on the fly, but it will be messy and a bit of work.
In all seriousness Java (more precisely JSPs) do a really good job running web sites. Gmail (and many other Google apps) are written in the GWT and that is Java. All the necessary scaling code is built in to the JSP container so as long as you don't do something stupid you can scale the site with out a problem.
Java has be come the most popular language(http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html). CmdrTaco however has hated Java since the summer of 1997 "My hatred for Java has never died since that moment." (http://meta.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/02/1553218). Sun on the other hand is trying to clean up their act(http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/25/0236208).
It's been nearly 11 YEARS. I think it's time you bury the hatchet.
It's not a pipe it's a PICTURE of a pipe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images
FireFox does something along the same lines don't they? You can redistrubute the code but the name and icon must be changed. This is a matter of opinion and off topic. I am very interested in understanding any licensing issues Java may have so please keep this thread on that topic.
Yes, sorry about that. I am still in the mind set of the original post. Also I am currently looking very closely for evilness on Suns part in all this. If they are doing anything shady I would like to know about it. I use Java a lot for work and honestly I enjoy it. I am considering playing around with Solaris and other Sun projects some more. So before I focus more on Sun tech I would like to know I don't have MS like issues to worry about later.
But now you have ten years of tweets to remember them by. Hey remember that time Gabe pooped? Ah memories....
While "[Group X] has intentionally stacked the [Standard Y] board" screams of miss behavior you say they are stacking against them self. What is the motive? To make it LOOK like it's not Suns project but it really is? Low resources to screw it over? I am more then happy to admit that Sun is doing something evil in all this but this is the worst I've seen them do so far and it's not that big of a deal. Hell, you could argue it shows they want the community more involved in Java development.
well it looks like I needed to refresh the page. This new comment system is messing with me. now that I'm made a proper ass of my self I'll shut up.
oops meant to reply to drinkypoo...
Yep. The only difference is with Java you replace 'fork of the product' and 'patches' with JSR. Come to think of it since Sun is a big corporation they have to bend to pressure on things everyone wants. So it's unlikely you will have the same kind of stupid "We don't need that to be optional" argument that recently happened to Pidgin. (http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/30/1822237)
Yes but they let people have some say. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Community_Process If there was something that you wanted in Java you could make a Java Specification Request or JSR for it and hope it gets moved in. But we all want avoid bloat so this is a very slow heavy process. Take a look at this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history and you can see that several JSRs have been moved in to Java it self. I could be wrong but it seems that for Java 6 the additions to Java have all been from JSRs so it looks like Sun intends to have all new improvements go though the JCP first.
Come to think of it this reminds me a lot of other open projects. The code is open and you can suggest something should be in it. However if they say no you are SOL. You will have to compile the project on your own and add in your changes. What would you want instead? Is the only problem you have that Sun has final say in the JCP?
Yes. My logic is that we can design a reactor that uses some of it's high speed protons and neutrons to bombard Radon atoms and fuse or fission them in to something else. Breeder reactors do something similar but their goal is to make something not to break something down. This is why I said "some kind of reactor", I don't really know what you would call it.
In theory we should be able to do this for any radioactive element. As I started out saying "Finding ways to process [radioactive materials] would be best." Radon seems the best place to start. It's volume is (I think) the biggest waste storage problem. Since it is (I think) the only element in the decay chain that is naturally a gas it should be easy to separate out the atoms that change in to something that is not Radon.
Again, please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.
Finding ways to process it would be best. I get the feeling that since it's not currently a big problem no one is trying to solve it.
Correct me if I'm wrong but as I understand it waste is not as big of a deal as people make it out to be. The only problem with that kind of waste is that it's radioactive. Unlike coal and fossil fuels we are not really creating that much more volume of crap with radioactive waste. So if we put it somewhere that we protect it should not be a big deal. The only issue with this plan is Radon gas. Currently we catch it in water and store the Radon saturated water. What we need to figure out is a way to pump Radon through some kind of reactor to break it down some more so that we can turn it in to an element that is not a noble gas.
Break a record = press = people hearing about it = more people using the browser
I forget where I read it but that was the plan for RC3. They just wanted to make sure that it did not have any big bugs that they did not know about. Seems it did not
Please mod this up. People who want to help break the record for download day should know this.