In other news...People have very short memories. We are WAY more productive with tech. We are also safer. At my job, I wrote a training tracking and notification system. Prior to the system being designed, company policy was that each employee in a department needed to be trained on all safety equipment propor to working with that equipment. They also were required to retrain on a specific on going basis. This required so much work to keep track of that it simply was not done. Then to audit the job would have taken 3 or 4 extra people to just do the audits.
Tech made it so that the effort to keep track of who you need to train consists of opening your email in the morning. Now, many think they are getting less done, because now they actually have to do the training, where as in the past, they would just 'misplace' their paperwork so they didn't have to do the work, and since it was so much work to audit these people, that never got done either. The audit now only requries the responsible person to open their email, and see if there is a notificaton.
Once the system was in place people quickly forgot how much effort the old system was to actually do. This is a steel mill, and when people don't perform their jobs safely, people can die. So, this does mean that the on site paramedics are less productive if you measure their productivity by the number of trips to the morgue they make.
We can also look at the productivity of the actual laborers in the mill. The amount of materials they make and move every year would be comparable to the pyramids. There are several hundred of them, but it is tech (thats right. A crane is tech) that allows them to do in a year with a few hundred men, what the pyramid builders needed thousands, and decades to accomplish.
My son got his first MP3 player at 11 months. It was a freebe from the cable company, and at 128meg, it wasn't worth it for me to carry it around. He was more than happy to listen to the same CD over and over. He loved it. At 20 months, he was wanting to play video games with me. Now at 23 months, when he asks to play video games, I get the unit down, and hand it to him to set up. He has no problem plugging everything into the tv, and turning the unit on.
It is importnant to make sure the video games you give are appropriate to the childs age. I don't mean content wise. After you've let your child watch Shrek 2, they have seen everything short of porn. (Lots of transvestite jokes, and a scene with a guy giveing himself a blow job in public) I am talking about difficulty. At 23 months my son loves games like RallyX. Yes, the old arcade game. It is available cheap in a joystick. It loads fast. (The boot time on modern game systems is just too long for such a small child) It has a stick and one button. To restart after dieing, he just presses the single button. And, even if he just watches, it still does stuff. Just because Spongebob is on the game box, does not mean the came can be successfully played by young children
I telecommute, so he sees me code on my PC all day. He wanted to take part, so he now has a child sized desk, and a linux PC sitting next to mine. He is getting very good at controlling his mouse based on childrens games. Again, appropriate gameplay is the key. The game he plays most right now simply has a picture covered with blocks. When he moves the mouse over the blocks, the blocks disappear to show the picture.
Kids like to immitate their parents, so just let them use what you are using. Don't let people convince you that just because they didn't have it when they were kids, that your kids shouldn't have it today. Do take the advice on not just giving them anything they ask for though.
It is good to see this starting to come out. Looking at the list shows that there are several chips that decode MP3, and one that does vorbis. I suspect that the cost of the different chips is not much, so hopefully, we will start to see more players with vorbis support. I've been thinking about building my own player, but wasn't ready to start coding a vorbis decoder for a microcontroller.
Hopefully they will also make a FLAC decoder on a chip, but for now, vorbis support makes me happy.
One of the reasons that MP3 is so cheap to implement is because there are MP3 decoder chips. The chips are cheap. This means that the only processing power beyond the MP3 decoder chip needed is just enough to have an interface. That is why I could buy a brand new MP3 player from Fry's for $15. Of course the design of a player that supports MP3 only is also very easy, as all you have to do is feed the raw data into the chip, and out comes music. The hardest part is writing the drivers to read the media.
That being the case, if the Ogg group wants to really push their format, they should try to recruit some hardware guys to work on designing a chip that natively plays vorbis and FLAC.
No, I am not confused. The parent used the strawman argument that put any device that attempted to use magnets as a power source in the category of PMM. You then ran with the strawman argument, and explained why the so called magnet powered PMMs would not work. How in the heck can you have a PMM that is powered by anything other than the power generated? You contradict yourself in your own posts.
Whether someone else called it a PMM and you repeated it, or you called it one first, it is still spreading FUD. If you don't think a device can work, then say why. Don't just incorrectly label it a PMM and say PMMs are impossible.
If they actually release it on June 6th 2006, (6/6/6) they should work out some kind of deal with ID to include a free copy of Doom3 with each processor for the rest of the year. If not, they should do SOME kind of fun thing with it. Although, they will probably chicken out, just like when they clock doubled the 333mhz processors, somehow they ended up with 665mhz.
Listen to your own description. These people do NOT believe they are creating a PPM. They believe that they are harnessing energy that is being released by the magnets. Calling a magnet powered generator a PPM would be the same as calling a fission reactor a PPM. Just because you add your fuel to your generator once, and the fuel last for 10, 100, or 1000 years, does not in any way make a generator a PPM. Whether a magnet can be used as a fuel source is a completely different debate, but arguing that it cannot work because the 'inventor' would have created a PPM is a strawman argument at best.
I've found that when developing a new application, 90% of the meetings and design time are taken up with the task of getting the end user to understand what it is that they do. It is very common for companies to run with a process of each person just doing their own thing. They often having no real idea as to what the end product needs to be, or what supporting data they need to get their. When working with groups that know their job, and are not just winging it every day, the software comes out much better.
Of course when the end user does not understand what they need, AND the developer doesn't listen anyway, you are really in trouble.
Funny thing... All these people complaining about cell phones saying, "just don't answer it." Yet, I not seen a single person ever just let their home land line phone just ring without answering it. So, what is it about the little piece of wire that makes the land line polite, and the cell an abomination?
DRM will play a role as well. The trick is having a system that can be cracked, but make sure that it is a pain to do, so that joe six pack won't do it themselves. People often buy systems that they can get media from their friends on. While I don't know a single person that doesn't have at least one piece of "pirated" software on their Windows PC, The only PCs I have also seen very few with only "pirated" software.
You can't sell software if people don't have the hardware. You just have to make it difficult enough that a lot of people won't bother. That way you get market share and mind share, while at the same time keeping sales of your software up.
I had to switch from MS Money to Quicken after I found a bug that incorrectly calculated values. I spent almost an hour trying to get through to someone at MS. When I finally did, I walked the tech through recreateing the bug on his machine. He was able to easily recreate the problem to verify that it was in fact a bug. The next time I heard from them was about three months later when they left a message on my machine saying that they found this old trouble ticket, and since I wasn't home, they were going to close it out. Not fix it mind you. Just close out the ticket.
I think we have gotten to the point that quality really isn't important anymore. Convenince is what people want. If people were first concerned about quality, you wouldn't see a single lossless audio format being used. Given that people will pay more for a lower quality audio track because they find it convenient says a lot.
Unfortunatly for Blue-Ray, the new disks will not be more convenient. People moved from tape to disk because the move from serial access to (semi)random access was a huge convenince. Both the newer audio and newer video disks are not more convenient.
Actually we have had thoughtcrimes for a while. I'm sure others can add other examples, but the "Hate Crime" laws are specifically and solely thoughtcrime laws. For example, you might get a year for lighting someones lawn on fire. This act, even if it was designed to intimidate the homeowner because you hate them, might still only get you a year. BUT, if you light the fire in the shape of a swastika, you are likely to get 6 years. This means that you will spend 5 years in prision not because you destroyed their property, you threatened them, or even because you hate them. You will spend 5 years in prison because of your beliefs. Because of your "thoughts".
Now, don't think I am trying to defend neo-nazis or anything. I think that the person that picked a victim out of a phonebook and decided to intimidate them and destroy their property should get the same sentence. No one should sit in jail because of their beliefs. Even if I think their beliefs are vile.
Your welcome, because yes, they are stealing from you. Don't be so sure that it is legal to burn the tracks to disk, then rip them back to mp3. That is clearly a circumvention of copy protection, and thus is probably technically illegal.
"Through iTunes I do purchase the music"
And that is exactly why they don't advertise "buy a license." I hope those that argued right here in this thread that you are not buying the music, read what you have to say. Clearly there is a disconnect between you, and all of those that claim you are only buying a license.
I bet if you sent a certified letter to Apple, requesting clarification on what you paid for, they would tell you that you do not own the music, and in fact bought a "license to listen" to the music. That is if they would answer you at all.
You may have misunderstood my question. It sounds like the action to deauthorize must happen from the client side, and that the data is stored on the server. Is this correct?
"You're right in that one licenses songs from iTMS and this distinction isn't made clear and most consumers wouldn't even if you put it on the front page of the store. Consumers don't understand the licensing in DVDs either, nor the restrictions in paperback books."
The fact is, Apple, as well as most of the other media barons are commiting fraud. They are clearly telling costomers that they are "Buying" the music, then only delivering a "license". While I would still have a problem with DRM if they didn't pull this bait and switch, I would at that time consider it a situation of the companies lie Apple, suppling bad customer service. As it stands I consider Apple and the other media barons to be criminals.
Do you think that Apple just forgot to tell people that they are not actually "buying" music. No. They say "Buy a song", instead of "Buy a license" because they are intentionally misleading the customer. People would start to ask questions if you said "Buy a license".
The problem isn't that consumers are stupid and don't understand this new fangled thing called digital music. The problem is that the media barons have been allowed to steal from the population. And your right. I should, do abstain from taking part in the blatent theft that is digital music downloads. That doesn't mean that I shouldn't warn others about the crime being commited against them.
"And, either work you want to use. They misslead customers into thinking that they have have permenent access to the music by using the words sell and buy. You tell me, does the iTunes store say "Buy a license to a song", or does it say "Buy a song". The two mean very different things."
Is the "de-authorize" on the client or the server system? Also, are you saying that the guy who claimed to have lost his music because the ipod died, and the Mac was sold, was lying?
Of course either way, if they say "Buy a song" when they are delivering a "license" is still at best a bait and switch.
No, licensing the music implies that you have a right to use the music. That would mean that if you get new hardware you could still use the music. In fact there IS a limited time period. It is limited to the life of the perticular product you original tied the song to.
And, either work you want to use. They misslead customers into thinking that they have have permenent access to the music by using the words sell and buy. You tell me, does the iTunes store say "Buy a license to a song", or does it say "Buy a song". The two mean very different things.
Add to that the stress of having more hazardous jobs, and knowing that in the end, men will have to fend for themselves, while women know that unless they are truly hidious, there is someone out there that would take care of them.
I still think that stress is our biggest kill. Take a look a picture of someone that was 35 in 1920. They were old at 35. Now take a look at what people look like at 35 today. They range from old to incredibly hot. Funny thing, the harder a persons life was, usually the older they look.
Apple does not make it clear to the music renters that they are in fact RENTING the music. They tell the renters that they are buying the music, and this is simply not true.
Did you read the page you linked to? It is loaded with a ton of data that shows 13 has in fact been the historic avarge for starting menstration in girls. The few examples that showed it as being higher were countered on the same page as being improperly conducted studies. I know that some people really want the age of adulthood to be greater than it is and always has been, but please, if your going to link to data, link to something that supports your theory.
You know, even if it was only 5m of actaul usage, it wouldn't be so bad. if the tech is cheap, you just poke the antena through the ceiling, and you don't have to worry about any other wires. Most businesses have hanging ceilings, and most homes have attics. It sure would make the wiring easier. Plus with those speeds, you could have multiple devices in a room, and still have reasonable speed.
"The current findings are based on data from nearly 7,000, 11- to 15-year-olds from 132 schools across the country."
Given that in many societies, you became an adult at 13. We can assume this happened because that is historically the age that MOST people have gone through puberty. That being the case, how can you call 11 "early". 8, yes is early, but not unheard of. 11 doesn't even count. The correct way of putting it would be that kids who are first in their peer group to hit puberty..yada..yada..yada. Of course the only two ways to prevent anyone from being first is to either do something that prevents puberty all together, (i.e. kill them first, or severe hormon treatments) or to prevent purberty medically long enought to dose all kids at the last day of the 6th grade, so they all come back in the 7th, having already hit puberty together.
I will kill anyone that tries either one on my kid.
Honestly, most of the problems these kids have (or at least enough to make the statistics show as they do) have to do with parents inability to accept that their child is growing up. It's so much easier to deny that your 11 year old is now an adult when all of the other kids in their class are still children.
Add to that, the fact that a good many jobs are now perfectly capable of being done by a telecommuter. This means that the job does not require any commute to be performed. The employer just has you commuting for their convenince. It doesn't matter if your commute is 2 hours, or 5 minutes. It is still time spent on behalf of the employer in relation to completeing your job.
I'm not saying that I think an employer should pay for commute time. I'm just saying that the 'you choose to live away from your job' is a bogus argument. I would probably argue in favor of commute being considered 'on the job', except that I know that there are those that would move 3 hours away, get paid for an 8 hour day, and be on site for only 2. This would be unfair to the employer, and disasterous for our economy.
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In other news...People have very short memories. We are WAY more productive with tech. We are also safer. At my job, I wrote a training tracking and notification system. Prior to the system being designed, company policy was that each employee in a department needed to be trained on all safety equipment propor to working with that equipment. They also were required to retrain on a specific on going basis. This required so much work to keep track of that it simply was not done. Then to audit the job would have taken 3 or 4 extra people to just do the audits.
Tech made it so that the effort to keep track of who you need to train consists of opening your email in the morning. Now, many think they are getting less done, because now they actually have to do the training, where as in the past, they would just 'misplace' their paperwork so they didn't have to do the work, and since it was so much work to audit these people, that never got done either. The audit now only requries the responsible person to open their email, and see if there is a notificaton.
Once the system was in place people quickly forgot how much effort the old system was to actually do. This is a steel mill, and when people don't perform their jobs safely, people can die. So, this does mean that the on site paramedics are less productive if you measure their productivity by the number of trips to the morgue they make.
We can also look at the productivity of the actual laborers in the mill. The amount of materials they make and move every year would be comparable to the pyramids. There are several hundred of them, but it is tech (thats right. A crane is tech) that allows them to do in a year with a few hundred men, what the pyramid builders needed thousands, and decades to accomplish.
My son got his first MP3 player at 11 months. It was a freebe from the cable company, and at 128meg, it wasn't worth it for me to carry it around. He was more than happy to listen to the same CD over and over. He loved it. At 20 months, he was wanting to play video games with me. Now at 23 months, when he asks to play video games, I get the unit down, and hand it to him to set up. He has no problem plugging everything into the tv, and turning the unit on.
It is importnant to make sure the video games you give are appropriate to the childs age. I don't mean content wise. After you've let your child watch Shrek 2, they have seen everything short of porn. (Lots of transvestite jokes, and a scene with a guy giveing himself a blow job in public) I am talking about difficulty. At 23 months my son loves games like RallyX. Yes, the old arcade game. It is available cheap in a joystick. It loads fast. (The boot time on modern game systems is just too long for such a small child) It has a stick and one button. To restart after dieing, he just presses the single button. And, even if he just watches, it still does stuff. Just because Spongebob is on the game box, does not mean the came can be successfully played by young children
I telecommute, so he sees me code on my PC all day. He wanted to take part, so he now has a child sized desk, and a linux PC sitting next to mine. He is getting very good at controlling his mouse based on childrens games. Again, appropriate gameplay is the key. The game he plays most right now simply has a picture covered with blocks. When he moves the mouse over the blocks, the blocks disappear to show the picture.
Kids like to immitate their parents, so just let them use what you are using. Don't let people convince you that just because they didn't have it when they were kids, that your kids shouldn't have it today. Do take the advice on not just giving them anything they ask for though.
It is good to see this starting to come out. Looking at the list shows that there are several chips that decode MP3, and one that does vorbis. I suspect that the cost of the different chips is not much, so hopefully, we will start to see more players with vorbis support. I've been thinking about building my own player, but wasn't ready to start coding a vorbis decoder for a microcontroller.
Hopefully they will also make a FLAC decoder on a chip, but for now, vorbis support makes me happy.
One of the reasons that MP3 is so cheap to implement is because there are MP3 decoder chips. The chips are cheap. This means that the only processing power beyond the MP3 decoder chip needed is just enough to have an interface. That is why I could buy a brand new MP3 player from Fry's for $15. Of course the design of a player that supports MP3 only is also very easy, as all you have to do is feed the raw data into the chip, and out comes music. The hardest part is writing the drivers to read the media.
That being the case, if the Ogg group wants to really push their format, they should try to recruit some hardware guys to work on designing a chip that natively plays vorbis and FLAC.
No, I am not confused. The parent used the strawman argument that put any device that attempted to use magnets as a power source in the category of PMM. You then ran with the strawman argument, and explained why the so called magnet powered PMMs would not work. How in the heck can you have a PMM that is powered by anything other than the power generated? You contradict yourself in your own posts.
Whether someone else called it a PMM and you repeated it, or you called it one first, it is still spreading FUD. If you don't think a device can work, then say why. Don't just incorrectly label it a PMM and say PMMs are impossible.
If they actually release it on June 6th 2006, (6/6/6) they should work out some kind of deal with ID to include a free copy of Doom3 with each processor for the rest of the year. If not, they should do SOME kind of fun thing with it. Although, they will probably chicken out, just like when they clock doubled the 333mhz processors, somehow they ended up with 665mhz.
Listen to your own description. These people do NOT believe they are creating a PPM. They believe that they are harnessing energy that is being released by the magnets. Calling a magnet powered generator a PPM would be the same as calling a fission reactor a PPM. Just because you add your fuel to your generator once, and the fuel last for 10, 100, or 1000 years, does not in any way make a generator a PPM. Whether a magnet can be used as a fuel source is a completely different debate, but arguing that it cannot work because the 'inventor' would have created a PPM is a strawman argument at best.
I've found that when developing a new application, 90% of the meetings and design time are taken up with the task of getting the end user to understand what it is that they do. It is very common for companies to run with a process of each person just doing their own thing. They often having no real idea as to what the end product needs to be, or what supporting data they need to get their. When working with groups that know their job, and are not just winging it every day, the software comes out much better.
Of course when the end user does not understand what they need, AND the developer doesn't listen anyway, you are really in trouble.
You beat me by a full generation!
Funny thing... All these people complaining about cell phones saying, "just don't answer it." Yet, I not seen a single person ever just let their home land line phone just ring without answering it. So, what is it about the little piece of wire that makes the land line polite, and the cell an abomination?
DRM will play a role as well. The trick is having a system that can be cracked, but make sure that it is a pain to do, so that joe six pack won't do it themselves. People often buy systems that they can get media from their friends on. While I don't know a single person that doesn't have at least one piece of "pirated" software on their Windows PC, The only PCs I have also seen very few with only "pirated" software.
You can't sell software if people don't have the hardware. You just have to make it difficult enough that a lot of people won't bother. That way you get market share and mind share, while at the same time keeping sales of your software up.
I had to switch from MS Money to Quicken after I found a bug that incorrectly calculated values. I spent almost an hour trying to get through to someone at MS. When I finally did, I walked the tech through recreateing the bug on his machine. He was able to easily recreate the problem to verify that it was in fact a bug. The next time I heard from them was about three months later when they left a message on my machine saying that they found this old trouble ticket, and since I wasn't home, they were going to close it out. Not fix it mind you. Just close out the ticket.
I think we have gotten to the point that quality really isn't important anymore. Convenince is what people want. If people were first concerned about quality, you wouldn't see a single lossless audio format being used. Given that people will pay more for a lower quality audio track because they find it convenient says a lot.
Unfortunatly for Blue-Ray, the new disks will not be more convenient. People moved from tape to disk because the move from serial access to (semi)random access was a huge convenince. Both the newer audio and newer video disks are not more convenient.
"What is next? Thoughtcrimes?"
Actually we have had thoughtcrimes for a while. I'm sure others can add other examples, but the "Hate Crime" laws are specifically and solely thoughtcrime laws. For example, you might get a year for lighting someones lawn on fire. This act, even if it was designed to intimidate the homeowner because you hate them, might still only get you a year. BUT, if you light the fire in the shape of a swastika, you are likely to get 6 years. This means that you will spend 5 years in prision not because you destroyed their property, you threatened them, or even because you hate them. You will spend 5 years in prison because of your beliefs. Because of your "thoughts".
Now, don't think I am trying to defend neo-nazis or anything. I think that the person that picked a victim out of a phonebook and decided to intimidate them and destroy their property should get the same sentence. No one should sit in jail because of their beliefs. Even if I think their beliefs are vile.
Your welcome, because yes, they are stealing from you. Don't be so sure that it is legal to burn the tracks to disk, then rip them back to mp3. That is clearly a circumvention of copy protection, and thus is probably technically illegal.
"Through iTunes I do purchase the music"
And that is exactly why they don't advertise "buy a license." I hope those that argued right here in this thread that you are not buying the music, read what you have to say. Clearly there is a disconnect between you, and all of those that claim you are only buying a license.
I bet if you sent a certified letter to Apple, requesting clarification on what you paid for, they would tell you that you do not own the music, and in fact bought a "license to listen" to the music. That is if they would answer you at all.
You may have misunderstood my question. It sounds like the action to deauthorize must happen from the client side, and that the data is stored on the server. Is this correct?
"You're right in that one licenses songs from iTMS and this distinction isn't made clear and most consumers wouldn't even if you put it on the front page of the store. Consumers don't understand the licensing in DVDs either, nor the restrictions in paperback books."
The fact is, Apple, as well as most of the other media barons are commiting fraud. They are clearly telling costomers that they are "Buying" the music, then only delivering a "license". While I would still have a problem with DRM if they didn't pull this bait and switch, I would at that time consider it a situation of the companies lie Apple, suppling bad customer service. As it stands I consider Apple and the other media barons to be criminals.
Do you think that Apple just forgot to tell people that they are not actually "buying" music. No. They say "Buy a song", instead of "Buy a license" because they are intentionally misleading the customer. People would start to ask questions if you said "Buy a license".
The problem isn't that consumers are stupid and don't understand this new fangled thing called digital music. The problem is that the media barons have been allowed to steal from the population. And your right. I should, do abstain from taking part in the blatent theft that is digital music downloads. That doesn't mean that I shouldn't warn others about the crime being commited against them.
I noticed you didn't answer the question.
"And, either work you want to use. They misslead customers into thinking that they have have permenent access to the music by using the words sell and buy. You tell me, does the iTunes store say "Buy a license to a song", or does it say "Buy a song". The two mean very different things."
Is the "de-authorize" on the client or the server system? Also, are you saying that the guy who claimed to have lost his music because the ipod died, and the Mac was sold, was lying?
Of course either way, if they say "Buy a song" when they are delivering a "license" is still at best a bait and switch.
No, licensing the music implies that you have a right to use the music. That would mean that if you get new hardware you could still use the music. In fact there IS a limited time period. It is limited to the life of the perticular product you original tied the song to.
And, either work you want to use. They misslead customers into thinking that they have have permenent access to the music by using the words sell and buy. You tell me, does the iTunes store say "Buy a license to a song", or does it say "Buy a song". The two mean very different things.
Add to that the stress of having more hazardous jobs, and knowing that in the end, men will have to fend for themselves, while women know that unless they are truly hidious, there is someone out there that would take care of them.
I still think that stress is our biggest kill. Take a look a picture of someone that was 35 in 1920. They were old at 35. Now take a look at what people look like at 35 today. They range from old to incredibly hot. Funny thing, the harder a persons life was, usually the older they look.
Apple does not make it clear to the music renters that they are in fact RENTING the music. They tell the renters that they are buying the music, and this is simply not true.
Did you read the page you linked to? It is loaded with a ton of data that shows 13 has in fact been the historic avarge for starting menstration in girls. The few examples that showed it as being higher were countered on the same page as being improperly conducted studies. I know that some people really want the age of adulthood to be greater than it is and always has been, but please, if your going to link to data, link to something that supports your theory.
You know, even if it was only 5m of actaul usage, it wouldn't be so bad. if the tech is cheap, you just poke the antena through the ceiling, and you don't have to worry about any other wires. Most businesses have hanging ceilings, and most homes have attics. It sure would make the wiring easier. Plus with those speeds, you could have multiple devices in a room, and still have reasonable speed.
"The current findings are based on data from nearly 7,000, 11- to 15-year-olds from 132 schools across the country."
Given that in many societies, you became an adult at 13. We can assume this happened because that is historically the age that MOST people have gone through puberty. That being the case, how can you call 11 "early". 8, yes is early, but not unheard of. 11 doesn't even count. The correct way of putting it would be that kids who are first in their peer group to hit puberty..yada..yada..yada. Of course the only two ways to prevent anyone from being first is to either do something that prevents puberty all together, (i.e. kill them first, or severe hormon treatments) or to prevent purberty medically long enought to dose all kids at the last day of the 6th grade, so they all come back in the 7th, having already hit puberty together.
I will kill anyone that tries either one on my kid.
Honestly, most of the problems these kids have (or at least enough to make the statistics show as they do) have to do with parents inability to accept that their child is growing up. It's so much easier to deny that your 11 year old is now an adult when all of the other kids in their class are still children.
Add to that, the fact that a good many jobs are now perfectly capable of being done by a telecommuter. This means that the job does not require any commute to be performed. The employer just has you commuting for their convenince. It doesn't matter if your commute is 2 hours, or 5 minutes. It is still time spent on behalf of the employer in relation to completeing your job.
I'm not saying that I think an employer should pay for commute time. I'm just saying that the 'you choose to live away from your job' is a bogus argument. I would probably argue in favor of commute being considered 'on the job', except that I know that there are those that would move 3 hours away, get paid for an 8 hour day, and be on site for only 2. This would be unfair to the employer, and disasterous for our economy.
Either way, when they released DOS 6, they didn't even have the decency to remove Stackers name from the stolen code.