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Tech Makes Working Harder

Ant wrote to mention a C|Net article exploring U.S. workers' productivity. People say they actually accomplish less now than they did a decade ago. Research blames technology as the culprit. From the article: "Technology has sped everything up and, by speeding everything up, it's slowed everything down, paradoxically ... We never concentrate on one task anymore. You take a little chip out of it, and then you're on to the next thing ... It's harder to feel like you're accomplishing something.'"

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  1. Not a technology problem by KingSkippus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, without technology, I'd be unemployed, so in that sense, I guess I really am working harder because of it.

    We never concentrate on one task anymore. You take a little chip out of it, and then you're on to the next thing.

    This sounds more like a self-discipline problem than a problem with technology to me. When I have an important task to work on, somehow, I manage to concentrate on it. It's called prioritization, and it's something that people have had to deal with since a naked ape was put in charge of making sure the fire stays lit.

    1. Re:Not a technology problem by ewg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Prioritization implies de-prioritization, by definition. You must be allowed to ignore less important issues for a little while in order to concentrate on more important ones. Whether or not that's the case depends on your organization's culture.

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    2. Re:Not a technology problem by lawaetf1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't think it's fair to dismiss the decline in worker productivity as being solely attributal to a lack of prioritization. Even if you *know* which task is the most important you still have to context switch to process and prioritize incoming information.

      Phone rings -- "yes, hello? .. no.. sorry.. yes.. i understand.. no i can't help you with that right now... ok.. i promise i'll look at it in a second."

      [back to task]

      Instant message -- "Dude!!! HRPROD22-NA01 is down, WTF?"
      "I know, I know, but I'm working on something else right now, it's next in the queue, i promise you."

      and so on and so on, ad nauseum. Context switching causes a performance hit for computers and humans. Gone are the days when shutting your office door gave you a semblance of privacy.

      In a grander sense, many conjecture that we're no longer producing works of genius with the same frequency as was the case pre-Internet / telephone for the very reason that the finite capacity of our brains is now being pulled in ever more directions. From a simple neurological perspective, the melody processing part of your cranium will not become as prominent if you're constantly engaging other aspects of your mind -- buying coffee from starbucks instead of having it brought to your room, talking on the phone with your agent instead of being left alone to compose, conducting interviews instead of simply focusing on getting the next piece perfected. Bad examples perhaps but I think the idea is right on.

      Too much fuzz.

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    3. Re:Not a technology problem by philipmather · · Score: 1

      As I'm sure others will attest, like most IT workers, in an open plan office it's not always possible to avoid distractions or interruptions from others, particularly when those interruptions may be warranted. As a systems administrator, it doesn't matter how import any development project is, the phrase "The Comm.'s room is flooding from the ground up, burning from the top down and some berk fell over the wires pulling all the cables out the middle." will always, always get immediate priority.

      For most the question isn't how do you stop interruptions but what humorously, politically incorrect scale do you use to measure them, I prefer the DEFCON scale myself.

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    4. Re:Not a technology problem by OverlordQ · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Think back to the 50's and 60's, then look at today. Compare the advances in technology, one would expect that with the advances in technology, we'd be working less and have more free time. Kinda gone the opposite way hasn't it.

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    5. Re:Not a technology problem by eggoeater · · Score: 1

      I'd say it's not so much a prioritization problem (I've been working on one project for over a year) but the fact that everyone uses a computer to accomplish ANYTHING. I work for a bank and everyone has a computer. (I'm a developer so I have three.)

      My point is, if anything happens to a persons computer or the network, work just stops cold. To add to the grief, most people don't have the skills or security access to fix those problems directly.

      Yesterday some idiot changed an IP address on a Novel server and several programmers were sitting idle for FOUR HOURS while they figured out the problem.

      Can we go back to doing business w/o computers? Of course not. The software I write is used by about 6000 people and saves the bank millions of $$ in man hours.

      What is needed is a more cohesive IT management system. Right now different systems are managed from different groups but those systems are connected and have to interoperate... so the different management groups INVARIABLY step on each other's toes. (Side note: outsourcing the management of different systems will make the problem worse since communication between groups will decrease.) We have change management procedures and notifications out-the-wazoo but negative impacts still happen. If you can solve these types of problems for large organizations (we have 100K people) then you will be a very popular person.


    6. Re:Not a technology problem by MO! · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Sorry, that's not "technology" failing, quite the opposite - it's fulfilled that dream all too well. The problem is the rush to increase Productivity in the workplace. So instead of 40 employees working less hours and having more free time, we have 10 employees working longer hours doing the work 40 employees did then. I'd have to say the reason we feel overworked and less productive is because we've hit or are at least approaching a limit in this increased Productivity race. You can only reduce the workforce so much before those that remain can no longer keep up with business needs. That's not because technology has failed, it's because it's succeeded and is being expoited to an extreme degree.

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    7. Re:Not a technology problem by HeroSandwich · · Score: 1

      Not really, as an IT worker I found I have more free time because tech has allowed me to work from home full time. (Thank you VPN gods)

      Now while I am on those typical waste of time managment conf calls during the day I am able to finish the laundry, clean the house, get dinner ready ect.. so when the wife and kids get home everything is done and the rest of the evening is quality time.

      Not to mention the time savings on the commute, I save at least 2 hours everyday just in traffic. After 2 years of working like this I don't think I could go back to an office job.

      True, I do sometimes have to work late and it is easier for work to get a hold of you for thoses midnight emerg's but I think thats a small price to pay for being able to write my RFP's in the summer sitting on my back deck in my boxers with a beer in my hand.

      Long live the tele-commute!


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    8. Re:Not a technology problem by Cat_Byte · · Score: 3, Informative

      I agree. Right now I have almost 190 things in my ticket system. If I were to concentrate on one for 4 hours, I would have about 30 people calling me asking for a solution and wondering why I haven't made any progress. 30 bad, 1 good doesn't look good to management.

      I just try to find something that takes a long time to complete, start it, then multitask on as many others as I can at the same time. Prioritization to me means finding a way to kill 10 birds with one stone.

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    9. Re:Not a technology problem by khallow · · Score: 1
      This sounds more like a self-discipline problem than a problem with technology to me.

      We still can consider how to reduce the technology contribution. Given the apparent numbers of people involved, any improvement is likely to be big.

    10. Re:Not a technology problem by Andrzej+Sawicki · · Score: 1
      This sounds more like a self-discipline problem than a problem with technology to me.
      Exactly. I do not have to have Firefox, Thunderbird, or ICQ open while I am working, but I do.

      If I get a job with a seemingly tight deadline, I concentrate (I mean really concentrate), and often get it done faster that I would have otherwise. This is no paradox, this is normal, and done on purpose -- I get more tired when working very concentrated, so I prefer not to.
    11. Re:Not a technology problem by KingSkippus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're exactly right, and I think that's one of the problems in America today: Businesses are exerting more and more pressure on its workers to accomplish more in less time.

      But U.S. workers have to some extent let them get away with it. Once some people went on call 24x7 with their pagers, then cell phones, then Blackberries, it put a lot of pressure on the rest of us to do so. In spite of the fact that no one's really doing their job very well, no one's pushing back and saying, "Enough!" And, of course, the vast majority of CEOs and upper-level managers are either too stupid to recognize what's happening or they just don't care as long as they get their fat bonus.

      I don't know what the answer to that problem is, but as far as my job goes, when I'm working on something really important, the pager goes off, the instant message service is put into "Do not disturb" mode, the cell phone stays on but will mostly be ignored, the work phone is forwarded to voice mail, and I focus on the task at hand. I don't have an office door, but people who try to talk to me have been told, "I can't talk right now, I'm working on something very important. I'll come see you later."

      If you're trying to get in touch with me, it can be irritating, but if yours is the problem I'm working on, you'd better damn well believe that I'm your best friend.

      If more people would do that instead of just sucking it up and trying to process six things at once, not only would they do their job better, but they would start seeing people respect them more as you showed positive results.

      Or you may get fired for blowing off the wrong person, in which case you have my sympathy and I sincerely hope that you manage to find another job where management is just a little less stupid.

    12. Re:Not a technology problem by KingSkippus · · Score: 1

      That's the most intelligent thing I've read in quite some time.

    13. Re:Not a technology problem by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 1

      What is that quote, "Computers allow us to do, in half the time, tasks that were completely unneccesary before computers..." Think powerpoints...
      But I will say, for complex projects, it is nice to have computer generated Gantt and PERT charts, which used to take forever to create before computers (so I am told).

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    14. Re:Not a technology problem by someone300 · · Score: 1

      The corporate obsession with meetings must be something to do with it too...
      Nothing like settling down into a task then getting an alert: "Meeting in 5 minutes", and it's usually to discuss something completely pointless that doesn't particularly concern you ;)

    15. Re:Not a technology problem by Archtech · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "...the finite capacity of our brains is now being pulled in ever more directions... Too much fuzz".

      Very true. And it's not a new problem, either:

      "Our life is frittered away by detail. Simplify, simplify."
      - Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)

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    16. Re:Not a technology problem by lawaetf1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      True, but I don't think Ralph was getting SMS'd, faxed, emailed, called, IM'd, while off writing. :)

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    17. Re:Not a technology problem by cryfreedomlove · · Score: 1

      Pshaw! Learn to put first things first. You are making excuses.

      Don't answer the phone unless you have to. Caller Id is wonderful for this. Most of the time I am in meetings or talking to people and I dump the phone calls into voice mail with one touch. I don't do instant messaging. It's one more interrupt source and I don't see the need. You don't have to YIM! That's all under your own control, don't abdicate that control for fashion! Put the Crackberry away!

    18. Re:Not a technology problem by MrNougat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When I was charged with taking multiple tech support people at different offices around the country and assembling them into a single help desk, I tried to get management to realize that there would need to be a huge change in how workflow was organized.

      There should be a first tier that receives calls, logs them, prioritizes them, deals with the simplest ones and passes the more difficult ones to tier two/three/etc. That would relieve tiers two/three/etc from having to stop every five minutes to "route incoming traffic," and allow them to focus on resolving problems.

      Nobody seemed to understand that, so they kept it in an "everyone does everything" arrangement. Totally inefficient, and ultimately unsatisfying for customers and employees alike.

      Yes, there is a lot of information coming in to people as they work. Yes, that information must be parsed and prioritized. Parsing and prioritizing information in an ad hoc fashion doesn't scale at all.

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    19. Re:Not a technology problem by timeOday · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I don't think it's fair to dismiss the decline in worker productivity as being solely attributal to a lack of prioritization.
      What decline in worker productivity? All this story said is that people feel less productive and less successful. Objective measurements show that worker productivity is rising.

      I think this quote from the article hits it on the head:

      Even if productivity increases, it's constantly outpaced by those expectations, said Don Grimme of GHR Training Solutions, a workplace training company in Coral Springs, Fla.
      So I don't think the article has any real statement to make about productivity. However, the fact that people feel less successful and more rushed is an important thing in itself. To me it says that the increase at productivity has come at the cost of some measures of quality of life. When will we wake up and realize that there's more to life than per capita GDP?
    20. Re:Not a technology problem by kukickface · · Score: 1

      You also have to consider that in a lot of situations the human is being forced to conform to the machine and not the other way around.

      The result is that people spend more time formatting text files so that they can be imported into Access/Excel/Whatever and less time on activities that require critical thought.

      When performing these more or less mindless tasks a person can feel more like they are treading water than doing actual work.

    21. Re:Not a technology problem by Mordaximus · · Score: 1
      Context switching causes a performance hit for computers and humans. Gone are the days when shutting your office door gave you a semblance of privacy.

      Ringer volume or DND on a phone. "Do not Disturb" or "Exit" in an IM client. Plain old leaving email until there is time... All of these emulate the closed office door. Not to say that these can always be used, but if you make yourself look busy, people tend to leave you to it. If you never let a call go to voicemail, leave your IM client Available and assign yourself a priority to respond directly to incoming email, rest assured you will be bothered.

    22. Re:Not a technology problem by Imsdal · · Score: 1
      Your post is 100% spot on, except for:

      To me it says that the increase at productivity has come at the cost of some measures of quality of life. When will we wake up and realize that there's more to life than per capita GDP?

      When will we stop trying to keep up with the Jones'es? The answer to that is simply: never. Trying to keep up with/outdo others is a very, very fundamental human drive and defiitely a defining characteristic for humankind.

      Usually, that is a Good Thing(TM), but, is TFA and parent points out, there are drawbacks. Sometimes it's easy to just focus on those negatives and forget that removing them would remove all of the positives we take for granted as well.

      Nothing stirs me as much as pundits proclaiming that youths today are upset/depressed/disillusioned because "they will be the first generation that will not have a higher standard of living than their parents". That is ridiculous on so many levels. Not only will every generation be significantly better of materially than the generation before, they will also have to work less. Don't believe me? Stop for one moment and consider the life of a factory worker 100 years ago.

    23. Re:Not a technology problem by Imsdal · · Score: 1
      it doesn't matter how import any development project is, the phrase "The Comm.'s room is flooding from the ground up, burning from the top down and some berk fell over the wires pulling all the cables out the middle." will always, always get immediate priority.

      True, but does this happen often? If so, the fact that you get disturbed shouldn't be your biggest concern. In the environment I work, stuff like that (i.e. stuff that *really* *needs* *immediate* attention, not actual floodings, of course) happens roughly once a week. And that is only because we are a terribly badly run organisation, from an IT point of view. Ideally it should never happen. IRL, it shouldn't happen more than once quarterly, max.

      I just fail to believe that stuff like this happens with any frequency at most places. If you really do work at one of those places, get out before the company goes bankrupt...

    24. Re:Not a technology problem by Bucc5062 · · Score: 1

      So, when you are downsized/rightsized/job challanged and you have to look for the next paycheck, what happens when you can't find that great telecommute job anymore. If you are not a consultant/contractor but working for a company you have a rare position. Most coporations still do not understand the positive benefits of work at home nor do they know how to manage it.

      I had what you have. I was happier, more productive, and just as much a team player as those in the office. I got downsized and now I work for less, I drive 30 minutes or more to work in cube even though I have broadband at home and VPN to the office. I am the only client server developer in a floor full of Mainframe support programmers, my boss resides three states away, yet they will not let me work at home.

      Despite the slashdot article about increased IT jobs in the US, the technical worker these days cannot request better work conditions *because* of the implied threat of offshore workers. I know, I've tried.

      I envy your deck, boxers, and beer. Pray you don't lose that nice position because I will bet you one of those beers you will not find it so easy to get another job with the same benefits.

      As a side note, I have to laugh at the Intel/Microsoft commercials that promote the idea you can take the office with you anywhere. Were that so, why do even those companies require most of their development staff to live in Seattle; drive to the campus to work. If they believe their own marketing, prove it and show the rest of the technology world that it can work.

      the perfect telecommute spot, a 40+ sloop with a KVH autotracking satellite dish providing broadband capability, chilled vodka and a loving wife sunning on deck....Ah...At least I can dream.

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    25. Re:Not a technology problem by Imsdal · · Score: 1
      This to me sounds exactly like what people said about assembly lines in the 1920's. People then thought that they were "approaching a limit in this increased productivity race" as well.

      It also reminds me of what people said when computers came into regular use on every desktop 10-15 years ago.

      It also reminds me of what people will say in 20 years about (technology x, not yet invented).

    26. Re:Not a technology problem by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Are you saying that progress is automatic? During the collapse of the Roman Empire, was each generation better off than the previous generation? The fact that we are better off now than 100 years ago does not mean that our descendants will be better off than we are.

    27. Re:Not a technology problem by ArikTheRed · · Score: 1

      I agree, somewhat. It is easy and natural to ignore the positives. However, I think that a huge misunderstanding of "working harder" is the definition of the word "harder". People's work today is far physically less demanding than 100 years ago, so in that sense it is easier. However, today's work environment is psychologically more taxing that in previous eras... in that sense it is harder.

      What have Zen masters and Yogis talked about for eons? Keeping the mind clear, or in neural terms, not overstimulated. They knew that overstimulation was a cause of distress. It is far easier to not be overstimulated when bailing hay on a farm or throwing around stacks of steal in a factory (yes, I've done both of those jobs) than it is to juggle 10 different things at once, which is the paramount of modern working environments. Don't believe me? Look in the paper for an office job... most of them desire someone who can "multitask".

    28. Re:Not a technology problem by amliebsch · · Score: 1
      Are you saying that progress is automatic?

      No, he's not saying that. He is saying that progress actually is still taking place. Decline is not automatic either.

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    29. Re:Not a technology problem by amiak · · Score: 1

      Well, without technology, I'd be unemployed... You'd also be naked, eating raw food and need a haircut.

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    30. Re:Not a technology problem by Imsdal · · Score: 1
      Yes, exactly. While progress isn't automatic, it's a great deal more probable than decline.

      The fall of the roman empire is the only example I can think of where it is reasonable to say that the world as a whole dropped in "level of civilization" in a 100 year span. There may be other, but they are quite infrequent. I see no indication that today is one of those instances.

    31. Re:Not a technology problem by Theatetus · · Score: 1
      In a grander sense, many conjecture that we're no longer producing works of genius with the same frequency as was the case pre-Internet / telephone for the very reason that the finite capacity of our brains is now being pulled in ever more directions.

      Oh that's crap. For as long as people have had records of the accomplishments of people before them, people have been saying "we don't produce works of genius like we used to". It was never true before and it's not true now. The problem is that whatever age you live in, you see the 95% of its products that are crap. The 95% of stuff that was crap from 200 years ago didn't survive, so all we see are the works of genius. In 200 years, people will point to several geniuses we're largely ignoring now and say, "wow, we don't produce works of genius like that anymore".

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    32. Re:Not a technology problem by buraianto · · Score: 1

      But it still is true that you are making a context switch. Concentrating on the meeting/whatever, when the phone rings. What do you do? Either you pick it up and focus on that for a while, or you look at the caller id and focus on that for 3 seconds. It may not be as long, but it is still stealing your focus.

    33. Re:Not a technology problem by Yhippa · · Score: 1

      Also consider that maybe we are pushed to do this because there's someone out there on the opposite end of the globe who is willing to work harder than you are. We no longer have to compete with people within the same city or country for a job, but all around the world now.

    34. Re:Not a technology problem by mn_ace · · Score: 1

      Couldn't have said it better. It seems like many people feel compelled to answer their cell phone or reply to an IM no matter what. It's really not that hard to focus, you just have to make the choice to do it!

    35. Re:Not a technology problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It's called prioritization"

      Yes, and the management considers everything a priority.

    36. Re:Not a technology problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that whomever wrote this article is missing the boat. Sure there are more things for one worker to do, but the technology/program/system is handling the work of 20 or so workers. So, 1 overloaded worker performing what, back then, would have been 21 workers worth of work is exponentially more productive.

      I can see how this would be true for the employee on a factory line playing with his or her iPod, but I seriously doubt this happens - factory workers are subject to far stricter rules than any of us x-goons.

      Why is this even a topic?

    37. Re:Not a technology problem by lawaetf1 · · Score: 1

      I hear you, but don't *fully* agree.. Certains works have proven timeless (Mozart) whereas much of what we create today gets swallowed whole in a generation or two. I doubt a little bit that my grandchildren will listen to The Dead but they will still know Mozart's name and practice his music. I stand by my original point -- fewer and fewer people have the peace and quiet, and general isolation necessary to create something magnificent. All our children are now taught from day one how to multi-task like a hooker with a dozen sailors. We force them to become computer-like generalists who process info from multiple sources simultaneously. Back in the day it was plausible that you could start learning the piano at 12 and do little else for 20 years (not saying this is good for the individual). Nearly impossible now.

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    38. Re:Not a technology problem by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1
      Most coporations still do not understand the positive benefits of work at home nor do they know how to manage it.

      There are some disadvantages to telecommuting. Take the office I'm in right now - We're in the midst of a merger and all the info / valuable gossip is being delivered at the office. The people at home are IMing constantly trying to learn what's going on. I'm so glad I'm not at home right now, or I'd be totally out of the loop.

    39. Re:Not a technology problem by lawaetf1 · · Score: 1

      It's not always an option to "not answer the phone"! And even if I can selectively ignore calls, I still have something on my tesk that goes BEEP and pulls me out of my buddha-like concentration. And if you can turn your phone off, well, gimme your job. That's also great that you can not IM but in my company not using IM is akin to announcing that you'll be working from home from now on.

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    40. Re:Not a technology problem by symbolic · · Score: 2, Informative

      But U.S. workers have to some extent let them get away with it.

      I think there is some truth to this. On This week in Tech ( http://www.thisweekintech.com/ ), the most recent Inside the Net podcast has a very interesting interview with the founder of a website by the name of 43Folders ( http://www.43folders.com/ ), where Merlin Mann discusses this very issue.

      People often feel buried because they have to spend so much time tending to their "connectedness" - email, text messages, voice mail, etc - mostly because they simply don't know how to say "no". He mentions one associate who has to contend with 300 messages per day from inside the company, and suggests that allowing this to occur (as a matter of company policy) is highly counterproductive. It's an interesting podcast.

    41. Re:Not a technology problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      everyone will always listen to the beatles.
      seriously.
      i don't know anyone from ages 12-70 who hasn't heard and enjoyed at least a few beatles songs.

    42. Re:Not a technology problem by electroniceric · · Score: 1
      But U.S. workers have to some extent let them get away with it. ... no one's pushing back and saying, "Enough!" And, of course, the vast majority of CEOs and upper-level managers are either too stupid to recognize what's happening or they just don't care as long as they get their fat bonus.
      I know /.ers are generally pretty anti-union, but as a note, this is what unions are supposed to do. Unfortunately, unions have not figured out how to modernize the mentality they acquired fighting for every inch on the factory floor, and still think in terms of work rules, hierarchies and fighting "management". If they can translate that to a work situation where you want to be able to take those extra pressures but then always be able use them to bargain for stuff, that's pretty appealing deal. Frankly, even as a well-treated IT worker, if the unions (or some similar professional organization) mounted a strong fight for guaranteed flexibility of time and healthcare that wasn't tied to my job, I'd consider supporting them.
    43. Re:Not a technology problem by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1
      If it wasn't against the rules, some Olympic athletes would kill themselves for those medals. They would all take performance enhancing and life shortening drugs, compete while hurt even if it meant becoming crippled for life, send a hit man to take out a competitor's knee, and other destructive behavior.

      That factory worker from 100 years ago needs a bit more context. 200 years, just before the Industrial Revolution, life may have been harder, but more relaxed. For the first decades of the Industrial Revolution, there were the same sort of excesses we see now with IT, that is, long hours, health problems, and massive competitive pressure to keep working. Eventually, the 40 hour work week was instituted to stop companies and people from competing to death. It's a net negative when anything, people or equipment, is pushed so hard its life and future productivity is significantly shortened. A 120V incandescent light will be much brighter at 240V, for the few moments it lasts. Goose that laid the golden eggs, and all that.

      A way to remove several rivals at once is to push and manipulate them into a destructive competition with each other. Some people try to do that, and I feel like it's being attempted on me whenever someone starts mentioning, whether truly or not, that my hardware, car, clothes, or whatever is out of fashion or obsolete. All the easier when they're a fight waiting to happen, and all a 3rd party has to do is give one tiny push, or just stay on the sidelines. Can even happen when the 3rd party is trying to prevent a fight. When the smoke clears, one can see all the competitors have lost. Central Powers v.s. Allies in WWI.

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    44. Re:Not a technology problem by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      I think tech is just a scrap goat. Work is harder now because employers expect us to be working faster because they are cheap bastards as are consumers.

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    45. Re:Not a technology problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prioritization? The demand was that we be more multi-tasking!!!

    46. Re:Not a technology problem by Omaze · · Score: 1

      Companies know darn well how to manage work-at-home programs. They don't want to. I don't know why. I suspect it has something to do with exercising the authority muscle. They want to have people coming into the building. They like to look out their corner office window and see the parking lot filling up with cars as people arrive to support their empire. People like to watch others work, especially if they themselves don't really need to. It could almost be called a form of cheap (even profitable) entertainment. It also could be an unofficial office manager's union. Where would their jobs be if we worked from home? As long as we show up to work then there needs to be an office manager to supervise and coordinate. If we could all work from home and coordinate ourselves via IRC then the office managers would be required to demonstrate real productivity. The cushy jobs of nepotism would suddenly disappear.

      I had a perfect job for work-at-home. My job was authoring/editing project proposals and peer reviewing the papers of others. I asked about work-at-home options and was told flatly,"No". For that company at least the work-at-home program was reserved for people who could claim their kids as an excuse, people who traveled so often that they were rarely in the office anyway, or those who were "in the club". Work-at-home had little or nothing to do with actual suitability.

      In today's networked world the vast majority of us are still held to an arbitrary requirement for face time.

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    47. Re:Not a technology problem by kent_eh · · Score: 1
      It seems like many people feel compelled to answer their cell phone or reply to an IM no matter what. It's really not that hard to focus, you just have to make the choice to do it!

      It's easy to feel compelled to answer those incoming calls/e-mails/messages quickly when your manager tells you that it is a requirement of your job for you to do that.


      A year or so back, we started trying to do just what you suggest, and our department's VP (my boss's, boss's boss) got complaints that our department was being "un-co-operative" with other departments in the company. How's that for some added un-nescessary pressure? Having a department sit-down meeting with three strata of annoyed executives, telling you that your attempt to be more productive, and focus more on your work is disruptive to the company.


      P.S., I know I get more quality work accomplished, and faster, when I'm working nights and no is around to interrupt me.

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    48. Re:Not a technology problem by Kevin+DeGraaf · · Score: 1

      keep up with the Jones'es?

      Aaaahhh, my eyes!

      http://angryflower.com/aposter3.jpg

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    49. Re:Not a technology problem by budgenator · · Score: 1

      My wife used to complain that I concentrated so hard it gave her headaches, once my former boss walked in and was talking to me while I was working on sometime critical and technicaly demanding and I didn't even hear him for about 30 seconds. This guy absolutely could not stand to hear an unanswered telephone ringing. I've told my wife many times if she didn't look at me, say my name and get a rational response, I'm probably not hearing her.

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    50. Re:Not a technology problem by Theatetus · · Score: 1
      Certains works have proven timeless (Mozart) whereas much of what we create today gets swallowed whole in a generation or two.

      But most of what was created in Mozart's time was swallowed whole in a generation or two. First off, we don't still listen to 1780's popular music. More than that, we don't even listen to most of the art music from that time (would we really remember Salieri's name if it hadn't been for "Amadeus"?). As with all ages, the best of our art music will survive -- Babbit, Cage, Crumb... stuff like that. It's apples to oranges comparing Mozart to popular musicians.

      We force them to become computer-like generalists who process info from multiple sources simultaneously. Back in the day it was plausible that you could start learning the piano at 12 and do little else for 20 years

      That's odd because I see things the opposite way: people (educated people, at least) were expected to be generalists 200 years ago in a way we are not now. Composers could write somewhat more complex music because the majority of the audience was expected to know at least the fundamentals of harmony (along with rhetoric, logic, basics of law, math up to the calculus, etc.). Today the mark of education is specializing in as narrow a field as possible. It's rare for a specialist to engage in research -- let alone significant publication -- in another field. I think Feynman was the last "great" to do it, and he was already an oddity back then.

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    51. Re:Not a technology problem by rs79 · · Score: 1

      "Ringer volume or DND on a phone. "Do not Disturb" or "Exit" in an IM client. Plain old leaving email until there is time... All of these emulate the closed office door. Not to say that these can always be used, but if you make yourself look busy, people tend to leave you to it. If you never let a call go to voicemail, leave your IM client Available and assign yourself a priority to respond directly to incoming email, rest assured you will be bothered."

      None of these actually work. Never underestimate the persistance of people.

      I was 13 in 1970 when I became a hard core computer freak (IBM 1130) and I hoped it would make life easier. All I see these days is people wasting time doing things they could have done by hand.

      I got a book for xmas. It was $20 and I wanted a different one that was $22. I went to the counter with the two books and a receipt. I was told I had to pay another $5.73.

      "That can't be right".

      "The cash regsiter said so. It's right".

      "Do the math in your head, that cannot be right"

      "I don't know how".

      "Do you have a calulator?"

      "No"

      "Pencil and paper"

      "I don't know how to do that".

      Now, this was in Beverly Hills and there was a certain expectation of a greater than room temperatue IQ here.

      Finally she got pissed off at me, called the manager to have me ejected, explaied the problem to him and his words, shot back instantly, were "that can't be right", It should be two bucks and tax. Duh. Double duh.

      I've lost track of the number of times I've been someplace tyring to buy something for $2 and have exact change in my hand, tax and all only to wait for five freaking minutes while they convincd the computer (cash regsiter) to tell them how much I owe. Like tax on two bucks is rocket science.

      Remember when the old guy at the hardware store would tell you as soon as you walked to the counter how much you owe? Now look at who is waiting for who.

      Next time you're waiting in a store, keep saying to yourself "computers have made our lives easier".

      Don't get me wrong, they have for some things. But we have a long long way to go yet.

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    52. Re:Not a technology problem by dcheng.reg · · Score: 1

      It's funny, but I was once told that the promise of the Industrial Revolution was not increased productivity, but, rather, increased leisure time. I don't know if there is/was a promise to whatever age we're in now, but it certainly seems to have strayed from that particular ideal.

    53. Re:Not a technology problem by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1
      I don't know what the answer to that problem is, but as far as my job goes, when I'm working on something really important, the pager goes off, the instant message service is put into "Do not disturb" mode, the cell phone stays on but will mostly be ignored, the work phone is forwarded to voice mail, and I focus on the task at hand. I don't have an office door, but people who try to talk to me have been told, "I can't talk right now, I'm working on something very important. I'll come see you later."

      I do the same thing, but other employees will sabotage me. For example, there have been times where my desk phone's on "do not disturb" and customer service has been trying to call me about some non-critical problem on a website. Rather than leaving a message or sending me email, they call a co-worker who then proceeds to walk over to my desk, turns off my DND setting, and transfers the call from their desk. When I then tell them that I am busy and am not taking calls for a reason I get a response of, "I didn't know we could do that". WTF?!

    54. Re:Not a technology problem by SeeMyNuts! · · Score: 1


      I wonder if another frontier for unionization will be healthcare. While nurses have a long tradition of unionization, practically no other healthcare workers do, and hospitals are, ironically, starting to feel the pinch of their own employee healthcare benefits, along with grappling with increasingly uncompliant insurance programs and Medicaid. It also seems IT in hospitals doesn't often get the respect it needs, which adds to the burden on staff, who have to deal with difficult and/or unreliable computer systems.

    55. Re:Not a technology problem by SeeMyNuts! · · Score: 1

      The fact that we are better off now than 100 years ago does not mean that our descendants will be better off than we are.

      There is a real possibility that so many people will be engaged in the economies of MMORPG games that we will be unable to keep up with the fundamental economies of farming, mining, and manufacturing. We'll all be complaining about working and shopping at Wal-Mart, yet go home to fire up the broadband connection for five hours of pure escapism before bedtime.

    56. Re:Not a technology problem by jt2190 · · Score: 1
      So instead of 40 employees working less hours and having more free time, we have 10 employees working longer hours doing the work 40 employees did then.
      So those thirty people now have the time to solve a new class of problems, and they go out and create whole new industries. Today's pace of change means that we're looking at a lifetime of learning new skills instead of a lifetime of screwing the same nut onto the same bolt.
    57. Re:Not a technology problem by SeeMyNuts! · · Score: 1

      "most of them desire someone who can "multitask"."

      Don't forget the implicit requirement of being under 30 years old while simultaneously having 5+ years experience in *each* of Java, .NET, LAMP, Windows Server 2003, COBOL, etc. Age discrimination is very real (seen it affect several people I know), and there is this mythos of the IT superman who is young and brilliant at everything. It is often hard or impossible to live up to the idealism present in the IT industry.

    58. Re:Not a technology problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do the same thing, but other employees will sabotage me. For example, there have been times where my desk phone's on "do not disturb" and customer service has been trying to call me about some non-critical problem on a website. Rather than leaving a message or sending me email, they call a co-worker who then proceeds to walk over to my desk, turns off my DND setting, and transfers the call from their desk. When I then tell them that I am busy and am not taking calls for a reason I get a response of, "I didn't know we could do that". WTF?!

      The problem is you only "tell them I am busy" when they turn off your DND setting. Next time, try, "touch my phone again and I'll rip your fucking throat out, asshole!"

      Alternatively, you must have time to turn the DND setting back on before they can make it back to their desk to transfer the call to you. You could make it a game to see how many times they'd try.

    59. Re:Not a technology problem by jafac · · Score: 1

      I don't know what the answer to that problem is,

      Smarter business processes that prevent the kind of abuses that we've all pretty much agreed are the real source of the problem mentioned in this article.

      But U.S. workers have to some extent let them get away with it. Once some people went on call 24x7 with their pagers, then cell phones, then Blackberries, it put a lot of pressure on the rest of us to do so. In spite of the fact that no one's really doing their job very well, no one's pushing back and saying, "Enough!" And, of course, the vast majority of CEOs and upper-level managers are either too stupid to recognize what's happening or they just don't care as long as they get their fat bonus.

      you see - the cause of this problem, what you're saying - is that the company is rewarding CEO's inappropriately, and failing to reward employees appropriately - a Business Process problem.

      Also - we've got all this cool technology to pipe messages into us, pagers, cellphones, mail, etc. and ALL of them are designed like stovepipes, there's no unifying architecture, so there's no way to manage or queue all of them together. Email has it's own queueing, and telephones sort of (via Voice Mail), but you can't queue all of your incoming traffic and prioritize it. THAT'S the problem - we just haven't solved this technical problem yet. And when we do, we'll still have the problem of the jackasses waiting in line outside your cube (which is really a symptom of our Business Process engineering technology being crappy).

      I really do believe that someday, we'll resolve this technological imbalance. I think we have all the pieces of the puzzle except one:
      There is no incentive yet for any company to develop such technology - because of regulation and monopoly issues.
      And once we adjust regulations to allow a company to do so; it will probably be a monopoly that's too horrible to contemplate.

      Maybe a legal regulatory environment could be constructed to allow competitors to play in this space, but it would really take a vision that's orders of magnitude beyond our current political-economic structure to make it happen, because right now, it's all driven by greasing palms, and with that methodology, there's a sense of entitlement, and the drive toward regulated monopoly.

      That's the problem to which I do not know the answer.

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    60. Re:Not a technology problem by jafac · · Score: 1

      the perfect telecommute spot, a 40+ sloop with a KVH autotracking satellite dish providing broadband capability, chilled vodka and a loving wife sunning on deck....Ah...At least I can dream.

      Even better!

      a 40+ sloop with radio jammer, twin .60 machinegun, perhaps a rocket launcher, and a way to quickly conceal such equipment from pesky coast-guard inspections. And tons more people like you.
      High-seas piracy! ah- - - at least I can dream. . .

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    61. Re:Not a technology problem by bnenning · · Score: 1

      Compare the advances in technology, one would expect that with the advances in technology, we'd be working less and have more free time.

      And in fact we do.

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    62. Re:Not a technology problem by jafac · · Score: 1

      Work is harder now because employers expect us to be working faster because they are cheap bastards as are consumers.

      Back in the bubble era - I made a lot of money. My bosses weren't cheap bastards, and therefore, as a consumer, I was not a cheap bastard. I lived much better than I do now. I donated a lot more money to charity than I do now. And I paid much more for functionally equivalent things than I do now.

      Consumers are cheap bastards BECAUSE their bosses became cheap bastards.

      And it's the simple economic lesson that all "trickle-down" adherents forget:
      The economy is 2/3 driven by consumer spending. If you pay workers less, then they consume less. Lay off your workers, and you sandbag your own consumers.

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    63. Re:Not a technology problem by WhiteDragon · · Score: 1
      That's odd because I see things the opposite way: people (educated people, at least) were expected to be generalists 200 years ago in a way we are not now. Composers could write somewhat more complex music because the majority of the audience was expected to know at least the fundamentals of harmony (along with rhetoric, logic, basics of law, math up to the calculus, etc.). Today the mark of education is specializing in as narrow a field as possible. It's rare for a specialist to engage in research -- let alone significant publication -- in another field. I think Feynman was the last "great" to do it, and he was already an oddity back then.

      A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.

      Specialization is for insects.

      Lazarus Long -

      Time Enough for Love by Robert A. Heinlein
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    64. Re:Not a technology problem by Maltheus · · Score: 1

      I'm on the verge of quitting precisely because I think my managers really need to hear the word enough. But luckily high-tech, gives me the ability to work from home. So I take at least on day a week to work from home, just so that I can actually get stuff done. It's known around the office as the "cone of silience." It's understood here that it's necessary to enter that cone once in a while to push out the rest of the world and focus on primary tasks. Granted I can still get bombarded with calls and IMs but so much eats my time at the office that at least 1/3 of my work goes completely ignored these days. Most people I work with don't even read their e-mail anymore because it's such a low priority compared to everything else. More sometimes means less. I wish corporate culture would come to understand this.

    65. Re:Not a technology problem by Maltheus · · Score: 1

      That's great for people who work from home. But if you work in an office, you can't shut your cubicle door. If I don't respond electronically, someone will come a' knockin'.

    66. Re:Not a technology problem by djan · · Score: 1

      The way I deal with this issue is thus:

      I have let it be known that if there is a problem, and you have time to tell me about the problem; you have time to tell me about a solution to the problem. I'm not going to even talk to you without that step, and they damn well know that I won't ( I literally become a enraged 'WTF are you wasting my time' jerk ).

      Nine times out of ten, people dig up a solution by themselves. The tenth one is usually serious enough for me to look into it.

    67. Re:Not a technology problem by Maltheus · · Score: 1

      Freakin' books need to written on this so that managers can wise up. When I have a single task, I proceed at lightning speed. When I'm expected to work a half-a-dozen apps at once, with a bunch of questions from co-workers thrown in, I quickly start to shut down. I'm lucky if I get five lines of code in a day because I'm never permitted to stay with the same task for more than a few minutes. If I only have one task, then I can get thousands of lines of code done in a day. It's not the perception of lost productivity, it's quite real. The irony is that I now hate my job because I'm too busy to actually do work anymore.

    68. Re:Not a technology problem by Bucc5062 · · Score: 1

      True, but the moment is fleeting. Long term work at home is still the better work environment these days. besides, most of the gossip you can trust will come from those you work closest with home or in the office. You'd still get the juice, maybe not in real time. If I even smelled a merger rumor I'd be updating my resume.

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    69. Re:Not a technology problem by Bucc5062 · · Score: 1

      "In today's networked world the vast majority of us are still held to an arbitrary requirement for face time" I view it as industrial age management in an information age world. I agree with all you say. My boss sits 800 mile away yet the local office has a policy of 8 to 5. I never viewed programming as an 8 to 5 job, but nevertheless this time frame is set in stone. The problem then is that when I am creative, maybe at 8 pm, maybe at 6 am I will not do anything about it because I still ahve to do my time. If I was a consultant or business owner I know I'd put more hours in, butr I would still feel like I control those times. The factory is dead, management is still trying CPR.

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    70. Re:Not a technology problem by Bucc5062 · · Score: 1

      and yet, you do not see the high tech laser weapon, the real time 24/7 satellite security watch (yes they oggle my wife, but a small price for security), and the fact that as a USCG Licensed Capt (that's real) I know about pirates and you would not get close enough to get the second shot off before I use a very illegal, but effective launcher against your woossy twin 60s. I can dream :-) safely.

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    71. Re:Not a technology problem by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      But perhaps others don't see any indication of the opposite?

    72. Re:Not a technology problem by Imsdal · · Score: 1
      Maybe, but the burden of proof is surely on them, then. It's pretty obvious that things have improved in every way conceivable during at least the last 700 years. While these improvements may not have been linear throughout history, they have been steadily incrementing.

      That is obviously no proof that this will continue indefinitely, but it does shift the burden of proof. And whining, as in TFA, isn't proof.

    73. Re:Not a technology problem by Imsdal · · Score: 1
      Aaaahhh, my eyes!

      Sorry, guilty as charged. My only excuse is that English is not my mother tongue. (Yes, I know that's a weak one...)

      Won't happen again...

    74. Re:Not a technology problem by Imsdal · · Score: 1
      200 years, just before the Industrial Revolution, life may have been harder, but more relaxed.

      I hardly think so. 200 years ago, people died from starvation with alarming frequency. What has changed is that most people back then somehow believed more in "fate" or "destiny" or whatever and accepted cruel outcomes such as starvation and oppression to an extent that is unimaginable to people in the western world today.

      If people would somehow start being content with starvation, a life expectansy of under 50 years and random oppression, everything would be "fine". Somehow, it seems to me that if that is a solution, we have to redefine the problem...

    75. Re:Not a technology problem by cryfreedomlove · · Score: 1

      You really should find someplace else to work. You desire a quiet environment and yet you work in an environment where you are not allowed to ignore the phone or IM. Why do you work there?

    76. Re:Not a technology problem by c0d3h4x0r · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's fair to dismiss the decline in worker productivity as being solely attributal to a lack of prioritization. Even if you *know* which task is the most important you still have to context switch to process and prioritize incoming information.

      Phone rings -- "yes, hello? .. no.. sorry.. yes.. i understand.. no i can't help you with that right now... ok.. i promise i'll look at it in a second."

      [back to task]

      Instant message -- "Dude!!! HRPROD22-NA01 is down, WTF?"
      "I know, I know, but I'm working on something else right now, it's next in the queue, i promise you."

      and so on and so on, ad nauseum.


      You know, it is possible to turn a phone's ringer off or to simply unplug the phone, just like it's possible to close down IM programs. If you need uninterrupted time to focus on a task requiring concentration, then just get rid of all possibly forms of distraction, shut down your e-mail client, lock yourself in your office and stick a post-it on the door saying "do not disturb -- e-mail only". Get your work done, and then go read queued-up e-mails later when you're done with your task.

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    77. Re:Not a technology problem by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      As somebody on both sides of the equation I think it's a revolving problem. Employers are cheap, which makes consumers cheap, which makes employees cheap, which makes consumers cheap, and so on. Allowing things like outsourcing to foreign countries is draining our economy out from the bottom while the rich make ever more effort to hold on to their own money which is just pushing from the top.

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    78. Re:Not a technology problem by emilper · · Score: 1

      there is a reason for this ... just think what will happen to your life if the team lead will decide he is most productive between 11AM and 8 PM, and you'll have to sincronize with him.

      remote work ? been there, done that, and it's nice dream ... but as far as giving/receiving feedback from your team, office work is better: think chasing your team mate in order to find out wtf that code he wrote that piece of uncommented code, whille he is trying to calm the tantrums of his cildren.

    79. Re:Not a technology problem by emilper · · Score: 1

      s/that code he wrote that piece of uncommented code/that piece of undocumented code he wrote is doing/

    80. Re:Not a technology problem by bob+frost · · Score: 1
      Indeed. Economists have studied this question, roughly framed as, "to which actors and to what degree, on the margin, have the benefits of increased productivity since 1973 been distributed?" The answer is fairly simple: to capital holders, especially in the US. For all of the productivity increases since that time, gross returns to non-managerial salaried and wage labor have stayed virtually frozen---real wages have, in short, not risen in about 30 years.

      Here in Michigan, home of the auto industry, that's all too obvious. Since the mid-70s, employment in the industry has dropped by well over 50%, yet for those lucky few who are still employed, real wages have been stagnant. So where did all the money go? Largely to investors. A company like GM or Ford is, of course, competitive, but the critical unrecognized venue of competition is not in the product markets (I'm not about to claim that they make world-class products, tho their stupid accessories are cool) but on Wall Street. As companies, GM and Ford have to offer returns on equity comparable to those of the pay-or-die pharmaceutical companies. If they don't, their stock prices fall, they can't borrow to retool/upgrade equipment, etc. This essentially means that pressures to provide high returns on equity force companies to allocate more and more of their marginal revenue to dividends and less to wages, salaries, and investments in capital equipment. This also explains why, despite the massive investments in IT over the past 30 years, according to numerous economists, most of our productivity increases have come from people simply working harder.

      Capital and product markets notwithstanding, the core of the problem lies in political power. Those who own the capital have the power across the economy to extract an ever larger share of the revenue generated by the production of goods and services. This is why for many firms, the most lucrative investment is to buy politicians. We call it "campaign contributions," "junkets," and the like, but helping the pol's daughter get into Princeton, say, is also a part of the deal. A well-bought politician will assure that subsidies and tax cuts flow handsomely and that the political power of labor gets annihilated via legislation. Why innnovate--or heaven forbid!, raise wages--when the rate of return on buying a politician is so high?

    81. Re:Not a technology problem by NumerusSpy · · Score: 1

      Interestingly enough, 100 years ago a farmer could feed, clothe, and house his family for a year and it cost him the equivalent of 13 twenty-first century working weeks to do it. So who is better off?

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    82. Re:Not a technology problem by fluid21.7 · · Score: 1

      Increase in population, descrease in resources. I saw someone (can't remeber where now) argue that we need to be doing the opposite to what we did in the Industrial Revolution, namely reducing the amount of resources we're using and increasing the utilisation of our working population.
      Perhaps if we had more people in the workforce we would be able to focuss many people on a few specific tasks, and thus utilise our production increasing technology better.

    83. Re:Not a technology problem by SeeMyNuts! · · Score: 1

      "So who is better off?"

      Well, according to my research (soda commercial) all people today are very happy enjoying a leisurely day with friends and roller skating joyously in circles to wonderful music...right?

    84. Re:Not a technology problem by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      I agree. Right now I have almost 190 things in my ticket system.

      How many of those "190 things" would be a problem if "tech" wasn't improving "business productivity"?

      In the past, secretaries were able to untangle the strikers in a typewriter themself, clerks could access files with a flashlight. If the electricity went out, engineers, designers and draftsmen could still draw and think without the necessity of a computer.

      Now, all these functions are largely dependent on computers and those that manage them.

      As a non-IT person, I see many problems ahead. But that's OK, as IT will solve them all. Eventually. Maybe. Either way, it doesn't matter, as those that can't/won't keep up will die-off anyway.

  2. Feelings by Kohath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The study surveys people. The people feel like they get a smaller percentage of their work done.

    This is just the press being stupid again.

    1. Re:Feelings by coolCoder · · Score: 0

      I would relate this to using API's and reusing code when coding something, and if you are using .net, where you write 2 lines of code and .net writes a 1000 lines for you behind the scenes, you would feel like you havent done anything, I hate the fact that I give up control of my code if I ever use .net. But coming back to my point, feeling is different than actually doing, use of API's speeds up the process and you get more stuff done in less time unlike the previous decade.

    2. Re:Feelings by snilloc · · Score: 1
      A big A-MEN to that.

      But, even if that was not the case, "productivity" is up because even if people as individuals are accomplishing less (which I doubt), gains from tech accomplish more than the alleged loss of human input.

    3. Re:Feelings by fossa · · Score: 1

      Would you rather accomplish more and feel scatterbrained and frustrated or accomplish less and feel satisfied and useful?

    4. Re:Feelings by Kohath · · Score: 1

      My feelings are largely under my control. So I'd rather accomplish more and feel OK about it.

      Actually, I'd rather get paid a lot regardless of my accomplishments and feel rich.

    5. Re:Feelings by Kohath · · Score: 1

      They're getting more done. They're getting more work assigned to them.

      If I get twice as much done and 3 times as much assigned to me, I'm going to feel like I'm getting a smaller percentage of my work done, even though my productivity has doubled.

    6. Re:Feelings by Hosiah · · Score: 1
      This is just the press being stupid again.

      There it is, in an 8-word nutshell.

      Of course, this is an excellent idea to post it on /. : "Let's take this blame-tech article and drop it on the tech-lovers!" Ooooooh, look at all the clicks!

    7. Re:Feelings by SeeMyNuts! · · Score: 1

      "They're getting more done. They're getting more work assigned to them."

      This is true. In factories, managers do this to always be able to report "progress" to their managers. In one factory I worked in, we did 800 widgets in one day--the next week the new quota was 1200. It got to the point where we never met the new quotas, so they sent in the "engineers" to study us, time us, and "optimize" the workflow. This is generally quite bad for morale.

      Professional contractors (in IT or any industry, really) mitigate this by "managing the customer's expectations." Experienced contractors know all the white lies to tell to ensure they don't run out of work too soon, nor take on too much work to finish. All the while, the customer is left pleased with the results, no matter what the result is. It's really amazing to see this in action.

    8. Re:Feelings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The study surveys people."

      Uh, what else would they survey?

      "The people feel like they get a smaller percentage of their work done."

      Which leads them to become unengaged / disgruntled / etc. and actually get less work done.

      It's not the press that is dumb in this case; it is people who can't see cause and effect.

  3. Quote related by thomasa · · Score: 1

    One quote I have on my white board:

    Learn the difference between busyness and accomplishment.

    I don't know who said it but I appreciate it.

    1. Re:Quote related by amiak · · Score: 1

      Do accomplishments require busy-ness or can we accomplish a whole lot pretending to be busy?

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    2. Re:Quote related by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One quote I have on my white board: Learn the difference between busyness and accomplishment.

      Dude, you need a board with a built-in spellchecker :)

  4. Or maybe.. by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Or maybe it's the ear we live in. We're pushed so hard (must be ready 24 hours a day, while living three lives at once), that we're so tired/fed up with it we work less. Think of it like an army, if you march for a week without proper rest the last 3-4 days will be much slower than if you marched 6 days then took a rest on the 7th.

    We push ourselvs untill our wills or body breaks. Theres no reason to care for typing in spread sheet numbers or carrying boxs, so we just do it and end up with half a job done.

    Maybe if work was more rewarding (forget money, it's no real reward in this sense) and we weren't expected to be on call 24 hours a day, we would get a good rest and work three times as well (hence productive).

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    1. Re:Or maybe.. by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      Or maybe it's the ear we live in.

      Oh man, your's is filled with technology? All I have to work with is wax, and a giant Q-Tip that keeps poking me while I sleep....

    2. Re:Or maybe.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe it's the ear we live in...

      Year, I think the problem is all the wax.

    3. Re:Or maybe.. by Billosaur · · Score: 1
      We push ourselvs untill our wills or body breaks. Theres no reason to care for typing in spread sheet numbers or carrying boxs, so we just do it and end up with half a job done.

      This is very true of coding. I can certainly code at a faster rate if I allow that I'm going to make a larger number of errors, or I can slow down, make fewer errors, and perhaps take longer to get the job done. I find that bug fixing can be more time consuming than actually coding, so I tend to code slower, trying to ensure all the things I set up work right the first time. I'd rather spend my tme on the front end getting it right than on the back end trying to figure out what I screwed up.

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    4. Re:Or maybe.. by Frobisher · · Score: 1

      BIRD ONE:
      The Bird People of Brontitall, that's us. Last of an unhappy race.

      ARTHUR DENT:
      What's wrong?

      BIRD ONE:
      Oh, just don't ask. A once-proud people living in a foul-smelling ear. Pathetic isn't it.?

    5. Re:Or maybe.. by fossa · · Score: 1

      I've long thought I'd be more, or at least no less, productive in a 30 hour work week than my current 40. Perhaps it's different for people who love their job enough to dedicate their life to it. I don't particularly love my job nor do I hate it. I come home and try to spend some time on my various other interests before I get too tired to stay awake. It's very frustrating to force myself to go to bed so I won't be dead tired at work the next day knowing I'm cutting off the only time I have to move my other projects forward. And they move forward so slowly. Depressing.

    6. Re:Or maybe.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +5 for that redundant piece of psychobabble?

    7. Re:Or maybe.. by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 1

      I caught it just after I posted..

      Nice of Slashdot to let me edit my own damn posts :/

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    8. Re:Or maybe.. by TopShelf · · Score: 1

      Or maybe it's just another marketing campaign masquerading as "research". Is it really suprising to have a study that says technology gets in the way of productive work, when it's "conducted for Day-Timers, a maker of organizational products"

      They should just have a template title for articles like this:

      Study funded by maker of Widgets points to pressing need for more Widgets

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    9. Re:Or maybe.. by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Nice of Slashdot to let me edit my own damn posts :/

      Hey, this is 1998. Maybe by 2002 we'll be able to edit posts on /.

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    10. Re:Or maybe.. by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

      Hmmm....the ear I live in reverberates so darn much I can't get any work done!!!!

    11. Re:Or maybe.. by Maltheus · · Score: 1

      I think there's truth to this. Despite not having the time on stressful busy days, I find myself web surfing, just as an escape. The problem is, sometimes I get caught up in it and don't go back to work quickly enough. If I were working shorter days, I'd focus nonstop on what I needed to do and then rest up (or surf) when I get home.

  5. It's all about perception by wolfemi1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If people get more communications (like email) about work, they will feel like there is more to be done. The article and summary both say that people feel like they are less productive, not that they actually are.

    1. Re:It's all about perception by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1
      Well, the figures certainly support your view.

      A recent survey revealed that some people thought subjective or opinion based research was probably inaccurate in roughly 59% of cases and downright misleading in another 11%, or thereabouts.

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    2. Re:It's all about perception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Correct. From TFA:
      Workers completed two-thirds of their work in an average day last year, down from about three-quarters in a 1994 study, according to research...
      But that says nothing about whether 100% then is the same as now. In fact, that higher expectations are also referenced in the article. I don't have a cite handy, but I'm pretty sure that productivity as an economic measure is up over the last 10 years.
  6. What's happening... by ntxb229 · · Score: 1

    What I think is happening is that you have a lot of people who are new to computers so it slows them down. I think you'll really see productivity increase as more people who grew up using computers (like myself) enter the workforce.

    1. Re:What's happening... by gclef · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I hate to sound like a fogey, but I'm in my mid-thirties, I grew up using computers, and trust me, it won't help.

      The problem is not familiarity with computers. It's an overload of tasks. Productivity is expected to rise on a regular basis (heck, we measure the growth of our economy this way), which means we are expected to do more with the same resources. Automation of common tasks has helped immensely in keeping up with this curve, but eventuallly the edge cases (the things that don't fit in the automation) overwhelm your time.

      I'm starting to see that regularly at my office: I've automated about as much as I can automate, and my job now consists of firefighting the systems that (for various technical and political reasons) I can't automate. It's not that I don't know how to use computers, it's that the task list is rising faster than I can finish them or automate them away.

    2. Re:What's happening... by vertinox · · Score: 1

      I hate to sound like a fogey, but I'm in my mid-thirties, I grew up using computers, and trust me, it won't help.

      I'd disagree with you, but I think you misunderstood the grandparent. I think what he is saying is that productivity will increase for corporations in general when the "general workforce" is computer savy.

      Sure, it won't make the high skilled techs any better since they grew up with computers, but I think he is talking about the grunts who work with excel all day, make presentations, and write word documents and do other things than computer work (you know... like people in marketing, sales, and other groups that one normally thinks that they don't have any knowledge with computers)

      You know... When every child in grade school that grew up with a computer in their home and used aim, email and installed applications now grows up and gets into college and then goes on to the corporate world.

      I'd have to agree because I've done tech support and computer related jobs for almost 10 years now (god knows I don't know how) and I get less calls on "What's a start button?" and "what is right click?" these days than I did when I first started in this line of profession.

      Now it's more of the lines of "How can I install 'X' application?" or "How can I setup VPN from how to get my corp emails?" etc etc

      Sure I'll run into someone everyone now and then, but it's strangley rare these days and seeing that most of the people will be in the corporate workforce and they won't be bothering IT with basic head banging on the desk irritating calls on how to save a file, how to print, or even copy and paste.

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    3. Re:What's happening... by gclef · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I see the effect mentioned in the article (lots of work, more coming, so you don't have time to fully *finish* everything) in offices with lots of tech-savvy workers, and in offices without them. I don't think tech familarity fixes the problem, it just shifts which problems become your time sinks.

      I think that's the core of the problem: not that we're getting better at tech, but that finishing some tasks faster with tech doesn't necessarily allow us to actually *accomplish* more. (Does it help me accomplish more if I can talk to my boss more often via email? Maybe. Maybe not.)

    4. Re:What's happening... by budgenator · · Score: 1

      I've looked into groupwre, after many people have said things like "we need outlook because it has email, calenders and todo lists" and the biggest problem I've seen is that they never seems to have a priority system invoved. If my boss wants to bump a task's priority up, that's his prerogative, the software should show him the implications of his actions and adjust the calenders and todo lists as appropriate.

      I've learned which of my tasks can be done concurently with which and how many, and which have to be done sequentialy for maximum effciency, why can my software?

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    5. Re:What's happening... by chris_eineke · · Score: 1
      Productivity is expected to rise on a regular basis (heck, we measure the growth of our economy this way)
      What are you smoking?

      We measure the growth of our economy in `wealth produced'. That's a whole lotta' different from `productivity increase'. A machine's productivity can rise from 95% to 100% productivity, but if the machine is unable to produce anything useful then that's not considered economical growth.
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  7. Ain't technology that is slowing me down. by Shivetya · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Its regulations.

    Seems that anytime something high profile goes down all sorts of new regulations come piling on and those filter down very quickly.

    the amount of paperwork I have to go through to move even simple projects through work is ridiculous. We estimate that the average developer spends almost 15% of their time on paperwork that was never needed or required before.

    About the only way technology slows me down if it does is that there are more ways for colleagues to interrupt me.

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    1. Re:Ain't technology that is slowing me down. by argoff · · Score: 1

      You forgot some, the biggest regulations of all are copyrights and patents. Alot of times they have the effect of causing people to struggle, constantly reinventing the wheel and constantly causing people to be in a rats race to get the next invention so that a competitor doesn't patent it and lock everyone else out for 20 years.

      It reminds me of a story I like to tell my peers. Back in 1990, I learnt how to use UNIX and Windows both at the same time. As time went on, I added to my UNIX skills while the next version of windows came out and had to relearn most of my windows skills from scratch. A few years later Linux came out, and I made the transition rather easially and my UNIX skills added onto it's value. (the same was true of my programming abilities too) And then a new version of Windows came out and once again I had to relearn most of my windows skills from scratch. As time went on, time and time again I added to my Linux skills while constantly relearning my windows skills from scratch. Then the dot.com crash happened, I got nailed hard, but when things started to pick up afterward - I recovered. Many of my friends who were windows experts never did.

      At the time the only reason why I chose UNIX and then Linux was because it was less proprietary, and so allowed me more freedom and liberty to do what I want. The choice was highly morality driven. But as time went on that non proprietary nature created a foundation for me to build on while my peers who didn't buyinto those values constantly struggled on a treadmill to get somewhere and eventually got spit out my the system.

      The truth is that we are way past the industrial revolution, and are getting into the information age. There is no reason in this world why people should half to struggle so hard to meet their needs. 15 minutes of productivity from the average person, should be more than enough productivity to meet their needs for a week. We do not have a technology problem, we have a people problem - or more importantly a freedom problem. While our technology and science have evolved quite a bit, our freedom hasn't very much at all in 150 years.

      With that, I want to leave people a warning before I stop. This may seem unrelated, but the next attack on your freedom is going to come from people who think that the entire purpose and meaning of technology is to eternally manipulate the value of your currenty for unlimited growth and profit. People who didn't listen to my advice and even insulted me and humiliated me 10 years ago because they thought I was a fool career wise are very sorry now - I hope people don't act that this time when I give advice. The ammount of currency in circulation from 5 years ago has nearly doubbled, the amount of debt has nearly doubbled, has your pay doubbled? Really, people should very very serouusly consider owing precious metals, the US economy is going to go thru an "adjustment" like never before in it's history. People should also consider ownership of a weapon, and food storage.

    2. Re:Ain't technology that is slowing me down. by Dausha · · Score: 1

      ". . . the amount of paperwork I have to go through to move even simple projects through work is ridiculous."

      Um, did you forget to put the TPS cover sheet on again?!

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  8. We aren't slower, it just got easier by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When you think back a few years, finding out something that took horribly long to compute was a task. Lots and lots of people with calculators and/or even "old" computers, who punched cards and fed it to huge machines, then they got a result and after lots of sweat, breakdowns and tears, they finally got a result. They then went ahead, recalculated it, formatted it, a team of statistics professionals were put to the task and finally, you had some revelation and you were proud. Mystified how you could even make it possible.

    Today, you pick your sample, toss it into some kinda machine and go for lunch. You come back, your results are neatly printed and statistically perfectionized on your desk.

    The result is probably the same. But which would make you feel more satisfied?

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  9. The Silver Lining by rlp · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but with technologies like cell phones, laptops, broadband, Blackberrys - we can take the work we didn't finish and do it at home. Oh, wait ...

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  10. Then there's the notion by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

    That touching up a PowerPoint presentation for the 17th time is "accomplishing something"...

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  11. Technology is Neutral. by malkavian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The tech part is entirely neutral in the equation.
    The real issue here is management. Because information is available, management often believe they do need it.
    Often, that's pretty far from the truth. People spend so much time now gathering useless figures, processing those, and presenting them that they often don't bother to take care of the issues that don't readily fit into numeric analysis, or worry about whether they're introducing noise into the signal (which only needs to be filtered out again later).
    What people need to do is take a step back and determine what they really need to do their job, and get a process in place that'll automate delivery of the figures they actually need to them when they're needed.
    That way, they'll likely find that the job does increase in efficiency.

    1. Re:Technology is Neutral. by w.p.richardson · · Score: 1
      Great comment.

      Often what I notice in my work is that you get mgmt that are just screaming for the information, with no apparent recognition of the benefit of a process to create the information. Therefore, everyone is scrambling to create the same crap for the same mgrs, and it's a complete clusterf*ck.

      I think it's a characteristic of 90%+ of managers to assume that the people who are actually doing the work are incompetent, rather than to assume that they are professionals who will get the work done. Perhaps this actually is the case, I don't know, but this is a real drag on anyone who is quasi-competent in a large corporation.

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    2. Re:Technology is Neutral. by zero1101 · · Score: 1

      People spend so much time now gathering useless figures, processing those, and presenting them that they often don't bother to take care of the issues that don't readily fit into numeric analysis, or worry about whether they're introducing noise into the signal (which only needs to be filtered out again later).

      You just described my job.

    3. Re:Technology is Neutral. by prof.morbius · · Score: 1

      I agree, though part of it is a shift in business/corporate culture. I've talked to people who were working engineers in the 50s and 60s, and when they were given a project, they got the resources they wanted, and an "assistant" to bring coffee and sandwiches, do the typing, etc. They were expected to produce, but mostly within the bounds of the problem itself.

      Now, about a third of the actual work time spent on a project at my company is spent on "discovery" -- a little bit of requirements definition and figuring out how the proposal will affect other systems, and a lot of writing documentation that may be looked at again and mostly just answers the same semi-important questions over and over without helping much. And we do our own typing; no making lists of notes and handing it off to someone to "prettify". And we answer our own phones. And we get interrupted at least once per day for a meeting, at least half of which we're merely showing the flag at.

      I'm not bitching, exactly, but it shouldn't be a surprise that we feel like we're accomplishing less, when in fact we're spending less time accomplishing things.

      Management is relevant to this, in that everytime someone decides that it'll reduce headcount to get rid of a secretary, that makes a difference. But it's also in matters like the meetings. Marketing won't just tell IT that it needs a system to automate a task, they'll decide they know how to do stuff and show up with a proposal from a (usually shady) vendor for this Great New Thing, and if half of IT isn't in the meeting, it's "not an IT priority", so they'll go ahead and buy it so they don't have to wait for us. Never mind that they just extended the timeline of the task themselves by (a) requiring that they be ever so gently disabused of the notion that their Great New Thing is Great or New, and (b) pushing out other priorities by dragging people away from their work and into meetings that don't need to be there, postponing how long until we can possibly work on their issue.

      I'm not sure what the solution is, but respecting the chain of command might not hurt -- they tell their VP that they need thus-and-such a system with whatever deadline, their VP talks to our VP and they hash out priorities for themselves, and then our VP tells us what to do.

      But instead I get dragged into a lot of meetings where nothing that happens affects me, and then waste even more time pissing and moaning about it on /. Oh, the humanity!

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    4. Re:Technology is Neutral. by budgenator · · Score: 1

      It always amazed me also about how many professions that complain about workoverload would be helped by simply hiring a reseptionist/typist. I expect that an engineer needs to be able to generate $100-200 per hour just to break-even, why have them doing the tasks that should belong to an $18.00 per hour admin assistant?

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    5. Re:Technology is Neutral. by wol · · Score: 1

      Useless numbers. Consider Ford: They generate budget numbers on a product line basis. Actual results are based on management group basis. They can't compare the one to the other. So why spend the resources generating useless budget projections?

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    6. Re:Technology is Neutral. by SeeMyNuts! · · Score: 1


      Your job is symptomatic. The GP post has described "Human Resources" to a precision not yet achieved in other Slashdot posts.

    7. Re:Technology is Neutral. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What we have here is Information Obesity

  12. Not just that by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Not only do I feel like I actually get LESS done with tech....I also feel like more is expected of me. Its like....ok, we gave you this computer that can do all these things, now do it in half the time it used to take. Not to mention that since tech definitely does increase efficiency in some area...suddenly they dump even more work on you to fill up whatever free time you might have had their. So instead of being able to be more thorough and spend more time with a project thanks to the free time the technology enables, instead in leads to us getting rushed through it more and more.

    Not to mention that tech has only added to the problem of employers thinking they rule your life...expecting you to stay late every night and work on weekends.

    Its funny...but I'm sure I'm not the only one here who wishes for simpler times when life was a bit slower.

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    1. Re:Not just that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Count me in as number two...

    2. Re:Not just that by Captain+Hook · · Score: 1
      So instead of being able to be more thorough and spend more time with a project thanks to the free time the technology enables, instead in leads to us getting rushed through it more and more.
      I found that at my previous job. I work as a Software Tester, sometimes there would be a little slack in the test schedule so I would use that time to expand the testing beyond what the test script asked for while other testers in my group would just run tests at the same speed and would have some free time at the end of a project which would often get filled with silly little manager assigned tasks.

      Come end of year evaluation, it was the testers who got the silly little tasks that got the best payrises because they were seen to be taking on extra tasks which shows them to be more productive.

      My arguement was always that because I was expanding the tests and finding more bugs (which at the end of the day is the job of a tester) I was more productive than anyone else but because it was a hidden metric, the managers never listened. So glad I got out of that job.
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    3. Re:Not just that by JahToasted · · Score: 1
      As Frank Herbert once had Leto II say (I'm paraphrasing, as I couldn't find the exact quote): The problem with computers is that when we have machines that think like a human we begin treating humans the same way we treat machines.

      Or in the last episode of BSG: Admiral Adamma: What was his flaw as a commander? Apollo: He only understood machines. Command is about people.

      Management has lost sight of this. They think of their employees as computer operators and not computers as tools that the employees use.

    4. Re:Not just that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although I am only 15 and therefore have never had a job, I have seen those effects you described to a great extent in my father, who sells cash registers to restaurants. He frequently stays at work until six or seven, eats dinner on the road, and then comes home and works until midnight, waking back up again at close to 6 AM. On weekends, he'll generally work the same amount of time he would normally work at the office. The presentations he makes require him to travel somewhat frequently (example: on Monday he's leaving for a 9-day trip to Canada, Ohio, and Wisconsin), and the stress that everything is putting on him is quite evident.

      He too wanted some semblance of privacy, and therefore resisted getting a cell phone for as long as possible, at least until his company forced him to. Basically, he's working 80 hours a week, every week, with expectations of him increasing constantly. We get daily newspapers, but the most time he has to read them is 2 minutes before leaving for work. We get two PC magazine subscriptions, but he hasn't read any of them in over a year. Any weekend activity needs to be planned in advance or else he won't have time to finish that presentation for Disney, or fix that touchscreen problem for Chipotle, or explain to Taco Bell why it's impossible to guaruntee a 4-hour downtime maximum when a terminal breaks.

      Basically, it's just like you said. People expect him to be three times more productive now that he has a laptop, a cell phone, and e-mail. People expect him to provide them with instantaneous solutions to problems that shouldn't exist in the first place, without even bothering to research the problems themselves.

      In essence, technology has "increased productivity" to the point that my father no longer has a life outside of work. It makes me reconsider whether or not I really want to go into a career related to technology...

  13. you know this is true by Paua+Fritter · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Technology has sped everything up and, by speeding everything up, it's slowed everything down, paradoxically ... We never concentrate on one task anymore. You take a little chip out of it, and then you're on to the next thing ... "

    +1 true.
    I had to post a reply to this even though I was right in the middl

  14. Costs of excessive connectivity by G4from128k · · Score: 1

    At a knowledge management conference, I saw the results of a study of how programmers spend their time at a well-established, very large and profitable software company. They spent 75% of their time using Outlook dealing with emails. Less than a quarter of the time went into using a development environment or testing tools.

    The problem is that too many people can reach too many people with too little effort. Every incoming email, IM, or call demands attention and attenuates accomplishment.

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    1. Re:Costs of excessive connectivity by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "They spent 75% of their time using Outlook dealing with emails. Less than a quarter of the time went into using a development environment or testing tools."

      While your core point is probably on target, programmers are a bad example. If a programmer is able to spend 25% of his time on actual development he is doing pretty good. Not because of distractions, but simply because the mind would overheat. There are occasion hardcore sessions where one mind melds with the machine for hours solid but they probably do not offset the days where nerf wars rule.

    2. Re:Costs of excessive connectivity by ChiRaven · · Score: 1

      Absolutely right. I was in a debate that took place in the mid 1980's when Ameritech (the former midwest telephone company, now part of the reconstituted AT&T) was debating how to introduce Email internally. One of the senior managers opined that it was fine for supervisors but "we can't have the first levels [lowest two levels of mamgement, which included most of the programmers] emailing one another back forth ... nothing would ever get done."

      I've wondered since if he wasn't right.

  15. Dynamics are more complex than that! by quad4b · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is virtually no way to make a rational and reasonable argument about this. Technology is not just about worker productivity it is about how transactions are done between businesses. Money flows electronically between banks; ERP systems help schedule work orders, raw materials purchase, plant employee scheduling; Databases track client interactions, purchases, bank transactions...the list is long. People are not disciplined in their use of time and waste it sending/replying to meaningless e-mails, reading ones that don't concern them. Some systems do hamstring employees by forcing them to work in ways that are counterproductive but these are few. Turn of your Blackberry vibrator so it doesn't break your concentration every time you get an e-mail. Kill that Outlook pop-up telling you there is a new mail message. Forward your phone two hours a day and concentrate on tasks that require it. There is a sense that more is expected and it is. Technology has made faster trade requiring faster decisions and task turn-around. People have decided to compete on that level. The market economy encourages work to the max and without limits. Globalization has increased this effect. Blame capitalism not technology. Stop blaming an individual casue for the resulting problems - it's a question of dynamics that involve the entire system and not just one or two parts. But that would require that people inform themselves and actually think instead of whine and complain.

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    1. Re:Dynamics are more complex than that! by NateTech · · Score: 1

      Money flows because people choose to spend it.

      People still choose who works and when, ERP systems are just an electronic way to document it.

      Databases store information people put into them, when the people screw it up, the databases are no help in correcting the bad data, and more people come along to clean it up. Databases also fail at a higher rate than paper and a good filing system.

      ALL businesses hamstring employees to work in counter-productive ways. Ever had a day where you could just get up from your desk and walk out because you know you can't concentrate on work until some personal issue or project in your life is back on track? Businesses don't give a damn, and you'll be there your full 8 hours, either way.

      "More" is only expected by bosses who don't know what "good" or "great" is. Those that do sometimes expect "less" from those who produce, but they'd better continue to produce.

      Globalization just made the markets bigger, it didn't dictate at what speed it arrived or how fast it has to go on a daily basis.

      Easiest way to survive ANY company?

      Remember you're working for someone else (unless you own the place) and their wealth. Bring in enough of it that they can share some with you.

      Get rid of anything on your desk that doesn't affect the bottom line... just like you would if you were a small business person.

      If e-mail is distracting and none of it matters to the bottom line, and you must respond to some of it -- bulk it. Twice or three times a day, maximum. If you must monitor for "hot" items, learn to sort on incoming messages properly and dump everything else in a "later" folder.

      If phones or PDA's are distracting and not helping with the business of making money/a living, turn them off and only check them periodially after some real work is done.

      If you don't have a goal or two (at least) for each day BEFORE you start work. Learn to set some. And hit them.

      People didn't decide to compete at any new "level" -- the game is the same, and the measuring stick is the dollar bills you make.

      But don't let it consume your life. Just figure out how to bring in more than the guy sitting next to you and keep your customers (be they internal or external), happy.

      Do your job. Work for your pay. Put down the PDA/Phone/E-mail/crap and do something useful with your time.

      That's all it takes.

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  16. I think I'll... by amiak · · Score: 1

    print the article out, give it to my employer and leave at 2:30 today. Or maybe I should reconsider...

    The whole idea of an average worker is shot, riddled like swiss cheese.

    --
    accurately define good according to a criteria and seek it out.
  17. And furthermore... by qwertphobia · · Score: 4, Funny

    And furthermore, I think that society today ...

    What? One billion songs? wow! I still gotta get that new Santana CD. Let me see if it hit Amazon yet. Oh, cool, there's a sale on Digital cameras!

    Now, where was I?

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    Never ask for directions from a two-headed tourist! -Big Bird
    1. Re:And furthermore... by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      That reminds me of a joke:

      How many kids with ADD does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

      Hey look a bike!

      --
      A fool throws a stone into a well and a thousand sages can not remove it.
  18. new wide screen ipods? by freshfromthevat · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I wonder if the give away of 10 video ipods was calculated to be almost at the same time (but just before) the announcement they'd scheduled for Feb 28? Coincidence? I think not!

    Rumor has it that Apple will announce new and improved video ipods with all conceivable features including factory chrome!

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    .. Blub falls right in the middle of the abstractness continuum. -- Paul Graham
  19. We *think* we accomplish less by keester · · Score: 1

    From the article, it's not that we actually accomplish less, it's that we think we accomplish less. We're stressed out, probably due to the fact that we're doing more work-- regardless of the "accomplishment" factor, which is, as I understand it, opinion based.

    Take it easy.

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    Take it easy? I'll take it anyway I can get it . . .
  20. Use a Request Tracker system by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    For *actual* work. Email, IM, phone for talking all you like *about* it. If the job doesn't arrive in the system it *isn't* work which needs to be done. It works for pretty much every case where one person asks another to do something.

    e.g.
    http://freshmeat.net/projects/requesttracker/

    Oh and systems like these fit really nicely into workflow frameworks too.

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  21. um, no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "This sounds more like a self-discipline problem than a problem with technology to me. When I have an important task to work on, somehow, I manage to concentrate on it. It's called prioritization, and it's something that people have had to deal with since a naked ape was put in charge of making sure the fire stays lit."

    1. It has everything to do with technology enabling a 24/7 365 work enviornment where it is acceptable and possible at any point in time to get a new "top priority", "problem", "fire", etc, which you are expected to respond to just because you "can". The more connected and "reachable" you are, the more "priorities", "side-tracks", "etc." you will have.

    2. It's not about self-discipline. For a good # of people, it's about their manager calling them to give them the latest "top priority" every day; which changes. And when you say you didn't complete "B" because "A" was said to be "priority #1, critical!", the reply you most often get is "I thought we bought you that new laptop a while back, the FASTER one? So why isn't it WORKING FASTER?"
    We're not talking entry-level work here either.

  22. Instant communication to limited planning by Cyphertube · · Score: 1

    The problem, as I see it, is that instant communication often results in managers demanding instant responses. While they can bring up reports quickly that simply pull in the facts and figures stored in a system, asking the analysis to work that way is ridiculous. Yet it happens.

    On many projects I have seen lately, there's an expectation, particularly of tech workers, to be able to come up with something immediately. If a project is two weeks' worth of work, then two continguous weeks is plenty of time to do it. They fail to understand the need to plan, look over things with fresh eyes, and plan some more. I have seen too many projects get sidelined by poor planning, and effectively getting redone or shelved, at great cost.

    People are not binary supercomputers. If they were, well, we wouldn't need them to look at things. Yet management treats all resources as instant response resources.

    If management will continue to consider resources the same, they need to know that the garbage collection in the human brain is bad. There are memory leaks everywhere, and so starting and stopping tons of processes a day results in highly consumed resources, and little productivity.

    Of course, any semi-decent manager would know that. Unfortunately, they're often kept in check by sociopaths who run companies.

    --
    Linux - because it doesn't leave that Steve Ballmer aftertaste.
  23. More ways... by zubinjdalal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... to slack off. Agreed that technology causes us to be distracted more often... but it also speeds up certain tasks in the process. Now if you don't want to work...

  24. Is that at all surprising? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    There are just way too many distructions. As a designer/developer I think I produce actually more everyday, but I learned long time ago to filter out the distractions that the technology is creating. I stopped using the IMs, chatrooms long time ago, actually 6 years ago. (To be honest I have ICQ running again for the past 2 months, to talk to my cousin, who is in Israel, but I limit the talk to about 20 minutes a day.) /. is another place where I spend at least 20 minutes a day. Then there are a couple of breaks. All in all, after everything, I spend 7-8 hours a day actually working. Designing, reviwing business requirements, having short team meetings (1-2 times a week, 30 minutes each,) and then it is all developing: coding coding coding.

    So if I, as a developer (contractor,) who has constant access to the Internet can concentrate on work It would seem it should be even easier for other people.

    But it is not so, I know it because I see it. Some people have no time to work at all. Between the phone-calls, IM chats and meetings, the actual work is constantly left for the later.

    The reason why things get done at the end is not because of technology, but because there are people who know how to limit their use of technology to only the things that are important at work.

  25. This doesn't match productivity statistics by SoulDad570 · · Score: 1
    The non-farm worker productivity rate has been increasing by about 2.8% a year or so for some time now. Naturally the tech companies attribute this increase to technology.

    One could argue with how worker productivity is measured (I don't have a clue about that), but it's at least a data point. The article offers no data points. Rather it offers anecdotes and how people feel.

    I am by no means a tech "fan-boy", I suspect that we have redefined productivity to include how effectively we deal with technology (see, it's recursive). I doubt that it has much to do with goods and services, but I'm just pulling that out of my hat. Much like the article.

    - 97.3% of all statistics are made up

  26. Not as easy as it looks by corellon13 · · Score: 1

    "It's harder to feel like you're accomplishing something."

    First, less productive depends on what you're comparisons are based on. Second, could it be that the perception is that we are less productive, because we don't feel like we're working hard?

    I went from working in the Army for a number of years to networking and programming where I make a lot more money. However, I felt like I was working much harder when I was getting paid less. Does that mean I'm not working as hard or I'm less productive? I would work for hours and hours everyday in the military and get little to nothing accomplished. I just think we need to realize that technology may make things seem like less work but that doesn't always equal less productivity.

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    Do what is right and let the consequence follow
  27. Come off it by BenjyD · · Score: 1

    Tech has nothing to do with it. Lots of people seem to love to say "Oh, I'm so busy, I'm rushing everywhere". It makes them feel important, it gives an impression of being invaluable to the company and most of all it's a defence mechanism - "I couldn't possibly do that project as well, just look at how rushed I am". Most of the time when you actually analyse the work they are doing, it's no more than the relaxed guy who just sits and slowly plods through his work.

    1. Re:Come off it by sydbarrett74 · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up. Most of the 'busy, harried' people are actually busy-bodies who like to stick their noses in others' work, thus slowing the OTHER people down.

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      'He who has to break a thing to find out what it is, has left the path of wisdom.' -- Gandalf to Saruman
  28. But the reality is by simon_hibbs2 · · Score: 1

    ... that economic productivity now is something like double what it was back then. This is particularly true in America (although measures of productivity in Europe generly understate the gains compared to the USA).

    Why is everyone taking this measure of how people feel as being established fact? People may feel like they're getting less done, but the economic value of what they do is much higher.

    Simon Hibbs

    1. Re:But the reality is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Why is everyone taking this measure of how people feel as being established fact? People may feel like they're getting less done, but the economic value of what they do is much higher."

      After all, your feelings don't matter. You're just a statistic anyway, why should you care about how you feel. Who cares if you feel like your work is useless, the numbers made up by some "economist" tell your boss: "You're doing great! Our stock is up 25% this quarter, and I've got a new boat!...Oh, and yeah, can you come in Sunday?"

  29. Less is more by FishandChips · · Score: 1

    Businesses that have moved to 24-hour operations, bosses who micromanage and longer commutes add to the problem, they said, while downsizing leaves fewer workers doing the work of those who left. ... Finally, there's a trend among companies to measure job performance like never before.

    These are key words in the article, if you put aside the technology which works no worse and probably better than a decade ago. You can squeeze the juice from an orange but at some point there is no juice left to squeeze. High property prices meaning you have to live miles away, increased pension and healthcare burdens, the hassle of just living in C21, absurd management gurus with onerous, people-hating theories eagery taken up by bonus-obsessed managers - these are more fundamental problems than technology. And all this before you even turn up for the job which in a modern corporation has increasing echoes of slavery, especially considering the stupendous earning gap between rich and poor. It's amazing most folks achieve as much as they do, and as tolerantly.

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    tournoun pas maï
  30. Perception May Not Be Reality by buzzcutbuddha · · Score: 2, Informative

    I remain skeptical. While this CNet article matches what researches have been studying for years, for example, this paper from MIT published originally in 1991, it's only measuring people's perceptions, rather than hard economic data. The economic indicators of the last 5 years have shown huge boosts in worker productivity in the US (ignoring last quarter's results). That directly contradicts the CNet article.

    Yes, the paper from MIT makes the case that there are many factors which can increase a person's productivity, and our gains in productivity could have come from other sources than technology, but the question remains: is this true, or simply a matter of perception?

    1. Re:Perception May Not Be Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...it's only measuring people's perceptions, rather than hard economic data. The economic indicators of the last 5 years have shown huge boosts in worker productivity in the US..."

      But, don't people's perceptions matter more than the economic data? If the statistics say productivity increased 10%, but everybody hates their life because they're working so hard, is it worth it? I say no. The statistics are supposed to serve us, we're not supposed to serve the statistics.

  31. That's exactly what should happen by nonlnear · · Score: 1
    The kind of efficiencies that technology gives make it feel like you are getting less done. (Note that worker perception was the metric used - not an objective standard of actually accomplishing fixed tasks.)

    If I exchange a couple quick e-mails with a coworker in another building, that feels like I did a lot less than if I had to play phone tag for two hours before getting ahold of her to talk. Same amount of work - less perceoved work.

    If I transfer a couple sums of money online between my accounts, it feels like I did a lot less work than actually going to the bank and doing the transactions face to face (possibly with a wire transfer thrown in). Same amount of work - less perceoved work.

    The separate issue glossed over in the article - about how management has changed - is IMHO the only significant question. Unfortunately, it got sidelined by the sensationalism of the headline

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    argumentum ad fallacium: Fallacy of defining a fallacy which allows one to dismiss the argument in question.
  32. Multitasking vs thrashing by ehud42 · · Score: 1

    While the survey may be subjective, it seems to me there should be a limit to how much we can do individually before we are too busy getting nothing done. Technology has freed us to do so much more, and we have risen to the challenge! However, as technology continues to improve our ability to communicate, it also seems to be eroding our ability to stay on task. How many of us drop everything the moment we hear {our phone/pager ring | email notification sound | door bell}. How long does it take to get back on task after the disruption?

    Just like a PC with too many tasks to do - each task takes longer and longer to complete as it is starved of CPU cycles.

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    I'm in my right mind and I have the answer to everything!
  33. Completely Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The study doesn't even try to determine if workers are less productive. It was basically a poll that determined that a lot of people don't feel like they accomplished everything they needed to accomplish.

    They may in reality be 5 times (arbitrary figure*) more productive, but feel rushed and feel like they didn't finish everything.

    I have to call BS on this article.

    *I figure I can use arbitrary figures if the article can make arbitrary conclusions.

  34. One phrase: Business Process Re-engineering by sydbarrett74 · · Score: 1

    The problem is that technology is used to 'automate' outdated, meaningless, inefficient business processes. Rather than using technology as an enabler, businesses view it as a panacaea; instead, they should take a tabula rasa approach and re-evaluate ALL business processes to see if they are still relevant to prevailing business conditions. Doing this first and then automating gives you much more bang for the buck. Simply automating a brain-dead procedure falls under the rubric of 'premature optimisation'.

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    'He who has to break a thing to find out what it is, has left the path of wisdom.' -- Gandalf to Saruman
  35. That's what you get by MrNougat · · Score: 1

    People say they actually accomplish less now than they did a decade ago.

    When are you going to learn - don't listen to what people say. As much as middle managers would like us to believe, perception is not reality, except at the quantum level, and I can't remember the last time I was in a meeting with a neutrino.

    People tend towards believing that they are good and hardworking. It's all too easy for an individual to say, "Oh yes, I am so busy, and I wish I could get more done." It's very difficult to say, "Yeah, I have all sorts of free time now that I could be doing something productive with, but I'm not," because believing that is tantamount to believing that you're lazy.

    I would almost argue that multiple survey results that showed a trend towards people believing that they're not getting as much done are indicative of the opposite - that people are getting plenty more done, have plenty more free time, and feel a stronger urge to deny that.

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  36. Lack of Knowledge and Cross Training by PalmAddict · · Score: 1

    I have found that I am less productive now because my co-workers and managers need to know my job as well. I have to cross train someone else in my duties, who has their own already, and show everyone who touches the results of my work how I came about them so that they can recreate them if they want to. I was also informed in my last performance review that I need to document "how to maintain the network if something happens and you are not here."

    Technology has created the desire for the knowledge base of one individual to be shared instantaneously with any other individual just like files can. This is unrealistic and extraordinarily time consuming. I understand the need for documentation and back up scenarios, but when it comes down to it, forcing everyone to shadow everyone else causes nothing to get done. People need to be allow to be the experts in their fields, yet replaceable by other experts in their field rather than having the ability of the janitor to fill in if the expert is out.

  37. So what is it? by erexx23 · · Score: 1

    So what is it...?

    Do Americans work to much or not enough?

    If we are working too much and doing less then what are we complaining about?

    Bah, Time for a vacation.

    I've been under working overtime for too long.

  38. Computer Thief by Dareth · · Score: 1

    I know what you mean... I rarely have time to do anything but take a little chip out of a computer and run.. no time to grab some nics or video cards!

    Always have to be off to the next score!

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    I only look human.
    My mother is a halfling and my dad is an ogre, so that makes me an Ogreling
  39. So true by bioglaze · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So true. Context switching wastes clock cycles, but pre-emptive scheduling is still a must. I have tried to learn to manage my own time from operating systems studies. I still have a lot to learn. Especially IRC is bad. Just have to check new messages frequently. These things can help to improve workflow:

    - Use laptop, without network connection, so you can find a quiet and comfortable place
    - If you listen to music, make sure it's pleasant
    - Think about room's lightning and improve it if necessary
    - There's on/off button on your cellphone
    - Noisy computer distracts your mind
    - Keep only tabs related to your work open in your browser
    - Human mind takes ~15 minutes to concentrate on a subject, so that's a good minimum running time of a process
    - Meditation and yoga can help on concentration

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    Who is John Galt?
    1. Re:So true by amiak · · Score: 1

      These things may help to improve workflow:

      - Use laptop, without network connection, so you can find a quiet and comfortable place.

      I think learning to deal with network connectivity in uncomfortable places is more rewarding in the long run.

      - If you listen to music, make sure it's pleasant

      Music is a total distraction, pleasant or otherwise...

      -Think about room's lightning and improve it if necessary

      Lighting? Thank God I work during the day...

      - There's on/off button on your cellphone

      True, you can also abandon it in a nearby location.

      - Noisy computer distracts your mind.

      Noisy anything can distract the mind.

      -Keep only tabs related to your work open in your browser.

      This is related to being in a place without a network connection. It all depends on your ability to manage your connectivity experience.

      -Human mind takes ~15 minutes to concentrate on a subject, so that's a good minimum running time of a process.

      Biological variability is real.

      -Meditation and yoga can help on concentration.

      Yoga is for dhalsim...

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      accurately define good according to a criteria and seek it out.
    2. Re:So true by crabpeople · · Score: 1

      "- If you listen to music, make sure it's pleasant"

      why would anyone volentarily listen to music that they didnt like ?

      "- There's on/off button on your cellphone"

      boss can contact you within a resonable timelimit = fired.

      "- Noisy computer distracts your mind"

      if by noisy you mean fans, i find i cant work unless there is some sort of fan on. its white noise and alot of people need that to concentrate. otherwise id be concentrating on the guy hacking up a lung in the next cubicle.

      "- Keep only tabs related to your work open in your browser"

      um your posting to slashdot right?

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      I'll just use my special getting high powers one more time...
  40. Tech in the service of humanity by Matterball · · Score: 1

    Can't remember where it was, but someone asked :"Years ago we were all told that computers would allow us to do more, faster, and we'd have more free time because the machines would work for us. What happened?" One of the answers was that computers in the service of people can really save time and effort - but computers in the service of industry, business and the giant money-making corporations, are used as tools to make us do more in less time, serving money rather than humanity. And why? Because someone at the top wants a newer, bigger car. Personally I long for the days of yore, when I'd leave the house and if someone rang me, I wasn't in, and there was no voicemail. With mobile phones, voicemail, email on the move, and more people every morning on the Underground with laptops doing work in the half-hour it takes to get into central London, it's no wonder people think they're falling behind - we're no longer dealing with jobs that are "When you're finished, go home," there's always something waiting to be attended to, emails coming in from around the world, and workers rarely get to sit back and think, "Good job."

  41. Isn't that called the Meta-Slashdot-Effect? by kryzx · · Score: 1
    I agree.
    Ten years ago there was no /. and I got a lot more work done.

    Plus, between the emails, IMs, cell phone calls, text messages, and all the friends blogs and news sites I have to keep up with, who has time for work?

    Of course, some people have a job really is about communicating with people. For them these advances might make them more effective. But for a person with a job that requires spooling up a complex problem and long periods of concentration, an interruption filled environment is death.

    But those of us bitching about it have only ourselves to blame. We choose to read /. and turn on IM. We keep our cell phones on, and answer the phone when it rings. The personal and impersonal media streams coming at us have increased dramatically, but our inability to manage them effectively is our own damn fault.

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    "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
  42. Not always for me by ameline · · Score: 1

    I generally do one thing at a time, do it as well as I can, and finish it -- then handle all the little things that piled up, then move on to the next thing. It does mean that it might be a couple of days until I answer your email, but I get things accomplished, and deliver working software on a regular basis. Continually thrashing around, switching from one task to another, is a very unproductive way to work -- at least for me -- I find getting "into the zone" takes at least 1/2 an hour. And sometimes doesn't really start flowing until one or two hours of really carefully contemplating the problem at hand. But different people have different styles of working -- a good manager will figure out what works for who and do his best to make sure each has an environment that is productive for that individual.

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    Ian Ameline
  43. I have to disagree... by Bipoha · · Score: 1

    Could you imagine installing linux via punch cards? Screw that.

  44. Technology and life evolution by ursabear · · Score: 1

    Technology has been a part of sea changes to business, work, and life - no doubt. However, I'm not sure that technology has been the cause of these changes. I believe that technology is woven into the evolution of business and work, yes, but I don't think it is everything. Perception, it seems, is everything.

    During my father's lifetime (and before), even big cities "shut down" at a given time of night. Further explained, stores (other than bars and such) closed after dinner time (and on most of Saturday and all of Sunday), services were not available after a certain time of the afternoon, people went home after work and did home stuff. Society spent more time in non-work mode.

    Technology (going back to the steam engine, maybe before) gave us processes that could stretch around the clock. Technology gives us means to access information, human (non face-to-face) interaction, entertainment, and even shopping, all day long and through the night. Technology didn't make us 24-hour-per-day people, it allowed us to be as such.

    I don't think technology is heading us to downfall - I think it is one of many pieces of our life-evolution.

  45. Re:Thats a HR issue not a tech issue by vertinox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Phone rings -- "yes, hello? .. no.. sorry.. yes.. i understand.. no i can't help you with that right now... ok.. i promise i'll look at it in a second."

    [back to task]

    Instant message -- "Dude!!! HRPROD22-NA01 is down, WTF?"
    "I know, I know, but I'm working on something else right now, it's next in the queue, i promise you."


    Look. I don't mean to be harsh, but either the person in charge of the servers has to be more competant (as in making sure they stay up) or they need to hire more staff.

    If the IT desks phone is ringing off the hook and people are emailing you that stuff is going down, then either you need a better IT Admins or you need more of them.

    That or better vendors...

    If those IM, email, and phone technologies weren't available, it is safe to say those people would get up from their desk and come to your door and tell you those things are down or they need help with something. If they can't do their job, I'm pretty sure they are going to find some way of contacting you to try to find out why you aren't doing yours.

    The fact, they could spend 60 or less seconds to do this instead of the 5 minutes required to go down to IT and back to their desk means more productivity for the company (which means the less chance they'll go out of business and you get to keep you server admin job).

    Distraction is part of the 21st century corporate job.

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    "I am the king of the Romans, and am superior to rules of grammar!"
    -Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
  46. 'Research blames technology as the culprit.' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Nah, it's a quarter century of MTV. If something doesn't move for 3 seconds, or lasts longer than 3 minutes...
    BORING!

  47. You can't blame a tool by Neoprofin · · Score: 1

    I couldn't disagree more. Where I work technology is a godsend. But the point that has to be looked that most people have noted in their points is that we already have a core process down that encourages productivity and nothing else. I manage half a ware house and half the daily inventory being done there, but usually I get an email a day if that. Every advance in technology we see is just a refinement of what we've already decided upon, better database, better equipment, better facilities, better partners who becasue of new technology can be more flexible with what they need from us, and you can see in our production figures that these new additions really do increase our productivity and efficiency. The problem with everyone complaining about being overwhelmed with IMs and emails and special offers of all kinds isn't that technology exists, but that it's not being used in the work place for any meaningful purpose.

    1. Re:You can't blame a tool by VampireByte · · Score: 1

      "We think ... productivity is down," said Maria Woytek, marketing communications manager for Day-Timers, a unit of ACCO Brands.

      How's this for an unbiased opinion in the article? Day-Timers makes those old-fashioned leather and paper organizers and other non-tech office items. Naturally, they want us to blame the tool and try to convince us to toss aside technology and go back to paper and pens.

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  48. A lot less... What a laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hell yes, we accomplish a lot less now. It took about 10 minutes for my wife to start selling some home made jewelery to millions of customers all around the world 24/7. She sold over 2000$ of good over christmas. Obviously we won't get rich with this and we'll most likely not create a real brand out of it. But I can tell you something: if it was taking less than 10 minutes to setup a shop 20 or 10 or even 5 years ago, everybody would know it by now. Now go back to work and stop smoking your carpet.

  49. What a load of crap... by ajlea2k · · Score: 1

    "Technology has sped everything up and, by speeding everything up, it's slowed everything down".

    WTF does that mean?

    Technology is now the world's whipping boy. If you're unproductive at work - technology's fault. If your industry starts losing money - technology's fault. Kid gets molested by some sicko they met on the internet - technology's fault. My god people, WAKE THE F*CK UP!

    1. Re:What a load of crap... by nyclinix · · Score: 1

      I agree. Some people forget how much work that even the most basic technology does. Just for laughs try setting up numerous columns of numbers and adding them all up and totaling them by hand or with a calculator. Then find out one number somewhere in the middle was wrong. Now, how about prsenting those numbers to someone? Are you going to type everything over on a typewriter? Print it on a dot-matix with carbons? Then jam it in an envelopes and go to the post office where you can buy (and lick) stamps? How about a spreadsheet and e-mail? Which is more productive?

  50. Re:Thats a HR issue not a tech issue by calethix · · Score: 1

    I agree with the parent. It seems like there is some bigger issue if you have 2 (I'm assuming from the gp post) production critical issues at the same time. I'd also add that technology gives you another benefit here. You know HRPROD22-NA01 is down? Then send an email out to some list that includes all the people this has an effect on. They'll all know immediately that there's a problem and you're working on it without each person wasting their time and your time telling you about it.

  51. Always do less than what is expected by Skapare · · Score: 1

    ... otherwise the expectations will be increased.

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  52. I hate this Microsoft shovel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And don't even get me started on this USB backhoe.

  53. Rubbish by lattyware · · Score: 1

    This is total rubbish, why do people allways blame everything on the wrong things? This on tech, Violence on Video Games, etc... It's stupid.

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  54. did'nt read the rest FTA by hihihihi · · Score: 1

    from TFA
    "Workers completed two-thirds of their work in an average day last year, down from about three-quarters in a 1994 study, according to research conducted for Day-Timers"

    if 2/3 was done on 1 day then when was the rest 1/3 was done... was it offshored... did the projects are getting more delayed by 33%... or is it technology which is doing the rest 33%...

    seriously tough, i just don't know what make them come up with this statistics..

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  55. perfect example: the military by c6gunner · · Score: 2, Informative

    So the average soldier can carry about 100lbs on an ongoing basis. Once, many moons ago, the rifle, ammo, water, and a change of underwear added up to about that ammount. Then some egghead came up with plastics, nylon, and composite materials, and all of a sudden the same ammount of kit ended up weighing 80 lbs instead. So what happened? Well....someone somewhere said "wait a minute...the average soldier CAN carry 100lbs on an ongoing basis....". So on to his kit pile they threw a collapsable shovel, a high-speed whistle, two changes of underwear, and whatever else they could add to get up to the 100lb mark. Ofcourse, the proccess has been repeating itself over the centuries, with the result that today the average soldier has more items (and as a result, mpre pockets) than he knows what to do with, and ends up looking something like a gypsy caravan. Yet despite all the improvements in technology, the extra gizmos, the new training, etc, he's carrying the same weight, and still doing largely the same job. Moral of the story? Whatever sort of technology we come up with, we're going to keep pushing ourselves to OUR limit. The technology isn't there to make things easier, and in most cases it actually makes things more complex; it exists only to boost productivity and effectivness.

  56. My dissertation was on this topic by kennethrona · · Score: 1

    I wrote my dissertation on this topic and it is tough to generalize to all technologies. For arguements sake, lets say that technology enables three capabilities: it lets you process more data faster (think spreadsheets), lets you store and retrieve more information (think databases), and it lowers communication costs (think networks). The short version is that the communication costs are what kills productivity. If you make it easier to communicate or gather information, people tend to not be thoughtful about the questions they ask or the information they currently hava available.

    For those interested, here is a link to the original research.

  57. Self-fulfilling prophecy by haroldbingo · · Score: 1

    The funny thing is, I wasted about ten minutes unsuccessfully attempting to access this article.

  58. It's not the technology, it's how it's used. by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1

    Think back many years to what the typical office job was in the 50s, 60s and even 70s. If you were in management, you wined and dined clients/vendors, and basically conventrated on your management job. There was an entire clerical staff to type your (paper, sent-by-regular-mail) memos, answer your phone calls and act as your gatekeeper. Computer generated reports (when they existed) came to you on green-bar paper for you to read at your leisure. It was expected that things took a lot longer to get done.

    If you were on the non-management side, your job was very well defined. Secretaries typed, took memos, made coffee and answered the phone. Report-crunchers crunched reports and handed their results to the typing pool to be typed up. Those who ran the "IT department" were the scary guys in the basement data center caring for and feeding the magic box that spits out invoices and paychecks.

    Flash forward to now. Everyone has and answers their own e-mail. Everyone has a BlackBerry and/or cellphone. Responses to reports and e-mails are expected in hours, not days. People are expected to be available 24 hours a day in some cases. Smarter workplaces know when you let you unplug, but they're hard to find, especially in IT. IT has it even worse, because they have to keep this whole show running for the 24/7 workaholic crowd.

    These days, you're also expected to do your own work without assistance. You have to answer your phone, keep up with correspondence, analyze reports without the help of anyone else, and basically do way more jobs than the one you were hired for. I can see why it causes a lot of stress and why productivity suffers.

    A really good example of what's happened is the very large insurance company I used to work for several years ago. They've been around forever and have two huge blocks in Manattan of office space. They had about 2000 people in that office space (very centralized company.) A guy I was working with who's been there since the early 70s told me that there were over 15,000 people in that same space, doing all the manual paperwork and other stuff. It's the ultimate "doing more with less" example.

    1. Re:It's not the technology, it's how it's used. by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1
      There was an entire clerical staff to type your (paper, sent-by-regular-mail) memos, answer your phone calls and act as your gatekeeper.

      And usually these clerical staff were young women with short skirts. So tell me how we've made progress?

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  59. But wait, there's more... by adnausium · · Score: 1

    I think this affects more than work...my whole life recently seems like there is never enough time for whatever it is i want to be doing at any given moment. Sure some of it is trivial, but its still noticable to me. For example, I love absorbing media. Be it for knowledge or entertainment. Between podcasts, music, the Stern Show and other sat radio shows, downloaded TV shows, movies, reading web pages at work, on my Treo, at home...i feel like i could quit my job and do nothing but soak up all this stuff 24/7. I have even started downloading books and magazines to my treo...sometimes books on tape. Im addicted. I cant ever get enough. Its insane how much info & entertainment is out there. Its no wonder i am less productive.

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  60. Interruptibility by richieb · · Score: 1
    The problem is that these days we get interrupted a lot more than in past. Think how intrusive the phone, cell-phone or IM are. Email is not nearly as bad, since it can be ignored.

    Tom DeMarco has a nice book about this called Slack.

    By being busy we fool ourselves into thinking that we are being more efficient.

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  61. Re:Thats a HR issue not a tech issue by robgamble · · Score: 1
    Look. I don't mean to be harsh, but either the person in charge of the servers has to be more competant (as in making sure they stay up) or they need to hire more staff.

    I think the server issue was just an example that could be substituted for any situation where someone in the company needs our expertise on something. And of course problems close to them seem bigger than any others.

    I think the "need to hire more staff" observation is the more likely (and realistic) one. I've been short staffed in my department for going on 4 years now and quite honestly i'm getting fed up with it. Combine that with theever growing perception that technical staff should be increasingly more available and you have the distraction and interruption nightmare.

    One of the ways we try to combat the distraction effect is to make developers "unavailable" during certain hours of the day, but being short-staffed like we are it's only a matter of time until someone's hair is on fire and you have to go help out.

    You might claim that we are not a well-run company. I won't argue that matter.
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  62. I'd say it makes working harder... by edunbar93 · · Score: 1

    Just think of the legions of typists that companies used to employ, just to send bills to customers. Each one had to be typed by hand, and more importantly, if you made a mistake, you started over from the beginning.

    Just think of the legions of accountants and bookkeepers that companies used to need, but have replaced with spreadsheets. And nevermind the billing...

    Just think of all the people that used to be hired as clerks to file and retrieve paperwork, but have been replaced by databases and search functions.

    Just think of all the outstandingly mundane tasks that you would have to do if it weren't for a computer doing the job for you. Those jobs used to be filled by people. Those people have since moved on to other vocations. Perhaps this makes companies more efficient, but it also makes jobs harder to find.

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  63. Communication. by antdude · · Score: 1

    Technology gives me communicaton for me due to my speech and hearing impediments. I don't think I would do well without IM, online chat, forums, etc.

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  64. Not a Representative Sample by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Out of close to 300 million people, is a pool of one thousand in such a general survey even worth looking at? How can this provide remotely relevant data, even of impressions of productivity?

  65. Finally! by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    It is good to know that my efforts will be appreciated in about 200 years.

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  66. push-back by SpectralDesign · · Score: 1

    Actually, lots of people push back. Then they find their employment-at-will asses are out on the street looking for a new job -- but they may not find one any time soon, because there are lots *more* people willing to whore themselves to the corporation than to stand up for themselves and their co-workers.

    Just one example of people standing up: I was working for a global ISP and got a lateral promotion from the NOC into SysAdmin. After a couple years in sysadmin I was pushing to get a market salary which I'd been denied upon the "promotion" due to lack of experience-on-paper. After much fighting I was denied a reasonable increase in my salary.

    Well, I fought back, and in a way that got every one in my department a raise to bring the entire group up to market salary. Two weeks later I was also fired.

    In my case it was a good thing, because I ten proceeded to double my salary by finding a job with a consulting firm, but not everyone gets so lucky.

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  67. Or maybe a problem with technology UIs by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    What's the most bitter enemy of concentration in an office?

    What destroys focus with an effectiveness that inspired a Dilbert cartoon(*)?

    What is so dangerous to time management that "important" people hire layers of assistants to protect themselves against it?

    Straight from the nineteenth century, it's that piece of Victorian "technology", the telephone.

    (*)"This is your anti-productivity pod. It's equipped with a small device that rings every time you try to concentrate."

    IM is far better from a productivity point of view. You can set your status to "busy" or "do not disturb". You can set rules about who gets to contact you. IM doesn't announce itself with a sound like a fire alarm. A sound which is repeated five seconds later. And again. And again, because the person's not at his/her desk.

    Yourdon's top project management suggestion for software development efforts was to disable the ringers in the phones.

  68. MWAAHAAHHA!!! by zish · · Score: 1

    The ADD/ADHD mind is taking over the world. Kneel before your overlords!
    Hold on. I gotta take this call.
    I need to respond to this email.
    Check out my binary clock!
    Let me check my calendar.
    Ack! My pager just went off.
    Darnit! The bulb on my USB lava lamp went out!

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  69. In other news. by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    In other news...People have very short memories. We are WAY more productive with tech. We are also safer. At my job, I wrote a training tracking and notification system. Prior to the system being designed, company policy was that each employee in a department needed to be trained on all safety equipment propor to working with that equipment. They also were required to retrain on a specific on going basis. This required so much work to keep track of that it simply was not done. Then to audit the job would have taken 3 or 4 extra people to just do the audits.

    Tech made it so that the effort to keep track of who you need to train consists of opening your email in the morning. Now, many think they are getting less done, because now they actually have to do the training, where as in the past, they would just 'misplace' their paperwork so they didn't have to do the work, and since it was so much work to audit these people, that never got done either. The audit now only requries the responsible person to open their email, and see if there is a notificaton.

    Once the system was in place people quickly forgot how much effort the old system was to actually do. This is a steel mill, and when people don't perform their jobs safely, people can die. So, this does mean that the on site paramedics are less productive if you measure their productivity by the number of trips to the morgue they make.

    We can also look at the productivity of the actual laborers in the mill. The amount of materials they make and move every year would be comparable to the pyramids. There are several hundred of them, but it is tech (thats right. A crane is tech) that allows them to do in a year with a few hundred men, what the pyramid builders needed thousands, and decades to accomplish.

  70. Ah horse puckey. by quag7 · · Score: 1

    I wonder how true this would be for, say, Slashdot users as a whole as opposed to the workforce as a whole. With a few glaring exceptions (usually involving phones), technology has enabled me to prioritize work like never before. E-mail keeps a useful paper trail for tracking ongoing issues (this has saved a hell of a lot of time I'd spend taking and organizing notes). Databases and internal webs ensure that I don't have to take 10 minues slogging through piles of paper and filing cabinets to find things I need. IM and VPNs has made working remotely a breeze. My team is spread across 4 locations, and we probably work more smoothly this way than we would if we were in a noisy office.

    We can take care of emergencies from home without having to drive into the office via our VPN. We can prioritize dealing with people in ways not possible when people are physically walking up to your desk when you've got ten billion things in your head you have to get down into a document. If an emergency arises, the boss can call you on your analog telephone, and have you come into the office.

    Or he can page you, and have you log on from home via VPN or what have you, and fix it from there.

    Which would you prefer? I refuse to believe that before there was technology, there weren't emergencies, out of hours calls, and a lot of weekend work.

    I've seen articles like this before. Technology is like drugs - do your tech; just don't let it do you.

    Do I work a little more out of hours? Yes. I do. From home, in my jammies. Rocking. Ripped to the tits on french-pressed triple-strength gourmet coffee that would make Poseidon weep. Like no one's business. Not only do I get work done quickly and easily on weekends or at night when I have to, I get to look horrible doing it, unshaven and in my shorts and stained t-shirt, as I generally am when at home.

    If my boss is on the road, and I have a quick question, I can IM it to his cell phone and let him get to it as soon as it convenient for him. I don't have to get held up for hours or days, creating longer hours for me down the road.

    Yeah, everyone likes their silence. But I'll take an occasional weekend or after hours call as opposed to last minute rushes and work frenzies because someone was unreachable for hours on end and delayed the implementaion of something. For me personally, it's been worthwhile. I'm just speaking for myself, but I can't be the only one in this boat.

    People have to learn to adapt to technology, ascertain its usefulness, learn how to *configure* it for better productivity, and not latch onto something because it's a fad and "everyone has one," within the constraints of what their employer requires.

    I would never, ever, want to go back to the pre-1990 workplace, personally. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I spend less time on the road, less time organizing my desk, less time trying to track down data, and less time dealing with bullshit overall than I would without my tech.

    I also spend less time in the office, and, almost paradoxically, getting a lot more work done in a shorter time.

  71. We saw this years ago at Honeywell by davecb · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Once upon a time, my director had a financial planning application that was supposed to make his life easier... but it was a bear to use.

    A study some years later showed that the people who used the financial planner the most had the worst financial performance! We figured it was because it was taking up the time they should be spending on all the other kinds of planning, not to mention the rest of their work.

    --dave

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  72. Probably true, but not tech's fault. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, I suspect this phenomenon is real. It's not hard to see that craftmanship is a dying art. However, I'd be more likely to blame it on economics and the continual corporate drive towards more for less.

  73. Too Subjective by dvdsmith · · Score: 1

    I think this is a matter of the individual "not seeing the forest for the trees", as the trite little saying goes. From my own subjective point-of-view working around a bunch of salesmen, I have a number of veteran salesmen who feel they were better off with a paper-based Customer follow-up system. This is actually true for some as they had been doing it for decades and had fine tuned their paper system to a exact science. What this doesn't take into account is the time it takes to train a new employee to do the same, especially with the rate at which salesmen are hired and fired. The employer also sees a benefit from being able to better monitor what is going on and having more control over customer contacts. The tin-foil-hat types can scream 1984 if they like, but this is important to a business for knowing where to best apply its efforts and resources. Its all a matter of perspective, so one has to look at the whole thing. My two cents.

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  74. Must Be Talking About Microsoft Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Microsoft has held back U.S. productivity since Windows Windows 3.1. Add up time spent
    • rebooting Windows,
    • downloading security updates,
    • installing anti-virus and spyware removal tools,
    • scanning corrupt drives.
    • defragmentiong drives,
    • playing Solitaire (just joking).

    add to it
    • time lost when Windows hangs,
    • data files corrupted by Windows OS

    and you get a measure of the productivity decrease contributed directly by Microsoft.

    Hmm, seems like we ought to have a class-action suit here somewhere.

  75. Sarbanes Oxley (Sox) by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    The effect of this one act has been dramatic. My productivity has dropped by 75% in the last 3 years.

    I used to:
    develop a rough tech document.
    estimate hours.
    develop code.
    test code.
    install code.
    do any emergency fixes for problems that turn up in production since none of our testing environments match production.
    emergency fix code.
    install code.

    Now I:
    propose the project or recieve request for project from business analysts
    create "swag" hours estimate for project.
    fill out a form for pmo
    wait for 2-3 weeks. If I have no work in the meantime, I just sit, train, daydream (just don't play games), write the next great american novel, hmmm browse slashdot.
    get authorization to start project.
    create formal user requirement documents (No I could not prepare them earlier without getting in trouble- the work can't be done -under penalty- before the project is approved.
    create formal technical documents
    create formal estimate of time to complete program.
    fill out a form. submit it to pmo.
    wait for pmo to approve project. Work on something else in the mean time or repeat above activities.
    receive formal approval.
    start coding.
    hold weekly progress meetings.
    produce regular status reports detailing what I've completed, estimate how much I have to go. Update the hours estimate up or down so the project plan can be adjusted.
    test code.
    schedule a meeting to install to production
    formally test code and produce a formal test results document.
    have meeting to install to production.
    install to formal testing department computers.
    wait for a month.
    formal testing department says code is good.
    wait for a week to a month until the next formal install window.
    install code.
    do any emergency fixes for problems that turn up in production since none of our testing environments match production.
    emergency fix code.
    install code.

    elapsed time for a 20 to 40 hour project is now about 320 hours. In only 3 years. To be fair, we are beginning to get our hands around the lag times and schedule work into them so we are probably going to reduce this to about 240 hours for a 20 to 40 hour project.

    Insane? YES.

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  76. communication context has changed by patomuerto · · Score: 1

    10 years ago if I had a small issue that needed addressed I would talk to one of my coworkers or my boss in the hall or the lab. Now I tend to send and email. That email will often get sent to other people who will reply and ask for followups. That often includes diagrams and pictures and graphs. Before you know it I have to put a powerpoint together and it has to be clear and attractive because if it gets to upper management that is how they want it.

    Now I am not saying this is bad. I do believe that problems get resolved faster, dead end ideas are cut off quicker, and as a team we get more work done in a given amount of time. It is just that I rate my productivity on the progress I do in the lab. When I have 3 or 4 projects and spend 6 to 10 hours a week just emailing or making slides for them my lab productivity is obviously effected. That is where I want to spend my time.

    Luckily my managers are well aware of this and include the administrative/communicaton work when evaluating my performance but I do feel less productive.

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  77. It matters by Debiant · · Score: 1

    It has real significance. Because if you think you're doing more and accomplishing less, willingness to do more and better dimisnhes. I think it is propably difficult or maybe even impossible determine are peopel working more. Infact it can be irrelevant I'd claim.

    Infact I'm not sure has the amount of work any signficance at all. All people who are at work, propably know demand for work never ends. I think the diffrence is have people anykind of idea have they moved forward in it. Or accomplished some temporary goal definetely.

    What IT has caused. Is that lot of work is thrown to workers all at same time in a random order. It causes people to have unnessary stress, as they can't figure out how much they've done and have they accomplished anything. People are always reacting and doing something nowdays.

    The amount of work [b]needed[/b] can be even same as before. But if you shred a building manual of some device to small pieces chapter by chapter, post it to the builder in random order in randomg intervals. You can bet the builder feels he has more work, than if he'd been given the parts in logical order, in easily anticipated order.

    He may actually use same time to build as the person that has all of the manual arriving in a correct order. Problem is that he has to worry more about did he understood correctly the parts his already has. And also any new part that arrives may cause him to change his plan or he may even have to wait some of them to arrive. And when a three parts arrive at same time and there is a time limit, he has to work suddenly three times as hard.

    The added uncertainity, the unpredictable work flow and the monents wasted to sheer waiting, do make people feel they work more. Lot of what I descripe above, can be seen being 'normal' in rapidly changing modern worl.

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  78. Implementation is the problem by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

    At least where I work. The systems put in place get in the way more than help. The culture around here is that software will define our process. That's a very wrong way to think. You should define process, and get software that helps make that process more efficient.

  79. People say a lot of things by wealthychef · · Score: 1

    It would be nice if we could measure the FACTS instead of what people think. Asking people if they think they are more productive might be misleading, because as the article points out, technology makes you feel like you're doing less by allowing you to move quickly between projects. But how to really measure this? It's a manager's nightmare.

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  80. Slashdot is a collection of the most ineffective by raile · · Score: 1

    workers, I guess. Sounds like you could bump up average productivity by hunting all of us down and killing us.

  81. extremely subjective questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yield goofy headlines about the study.

    every other measure says productivity has increased in the last decade as the long promised leverage of computing for knowledge workers finally kicked in.

    What skews this study is the fact that a side effect of all the automation is to distance and abstract the products from the people...nobody has the job satisfaction they used to have in the "good old days" when they were more "hands on" and "face to face" in doing their work. But that is really not the same as productivity.

  82. B.S. by GmAz · · Score: 1
    That is just BS. Sure, maybe people that are computer stupid do less during the day. Or, maybe if all the secretaries would quit gossiping and get to work, more would get done. I work for a school district and when I have to make a trip to the district office, its is pathetic on how little work gets done. All you see and hear are little personal conversations about everything except work going on and no one at their desk no matter what time of the day it is.

    I think less gets done because people realize that computers make work go faster. So they think they have more time during the day to e-mail friends, gossip, take a million bathroom/coffee breaks and lose track of time so when the deadline hits, they have little to nothing done and they blame it on technology.

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  83. Self Management... by ShawnMcCool42 · · Score: 1

    Honestly this is ridiculous...

    I keep a legal pad next to my desk.. It lists all of my projects. As I complete them I cross them off the list.

    Every day I come into work I write a new list first thing. On that list are the tasks I hope to either complete or work on in the day. As you complete the tasks you check them off of this and the aforefementioned list. To the left of the tasks I write priority numbers. Which tasks are the most important for me to complete today. If for some reason a task doesn't fit this mold, you're not writing your tasks appropriately. Don't write "program more on X and Y app.." as a task. Write "Analyze X Bug", "Develop X part of Y feature". What you DON'T want to do is get to a task and say to yourself, "*sigh*... now how do I go about starting this?" Make it clear and easy to conceptualize. When writing the list actually figure out and name the next real step... THEN write the task on your list.

    Start plugging away at your prioritized list. If anyone presents you with new tasks, feel free to add them to the list. Then consider their prioritization and reprioritize he list if you need to. You should be working on the highest priority task at any given time. It's perfectly acceptable to put short term tasks high in priority simply because they need to be done Today and can be completed somewhat quickly.

    It's your job as a sentient employee to determine what you can and can't get done in an day. Assuming you're not just a voiceless work horse.

    You may be inundated with a million small tasks coming at you at once, but it's YOUR job to be productive. If you can't be productive with the way your coworkers interact with you... do something about it. Start at ticket system and standardize procedures for interacting with you. Your coworkers understand that you can only do so much in the day (and if they don't, it's your fault). Express you problems with management and suggest realistic methods of resolving them. Management can be slow to adopt change, which is why you have to clearly represent the advantages.

    YOU are responsible for being productive, and it comes down to YOUR algorithms. Do not blame the technology and do not blame your coworkers. Work is challenging.. if it wasn't you wouldn't need to be there. If you are absolutely forbidden from making your work environment more suitable for productivity well.... I don't know, I've just never seen that situation.

    People have been ineffective at their work since people existed.. It's to be expected. Learn how to deal with it or continue your old trend. Just don't blame the technology.

    People just expect to waltz into their work and sit down and do some repetitive mindless work (because that's the easiest kind of work to get in the habit of doing). I just perceive it as laziness.

  84. And feelings have to do with management by wsanders · · Score: 1

    Back it the olden days, it was good to go home and feel like you had accomplished all the day's work you set out to do.

    Now, it's a sign you are a slacker who didn't tale on enough work in the first place.

    Values have changed, and the appearance of frantic activity is much better for your career than the actual amount and quality of work you get done, and you get rewarded for it regardless of whether someone else has to clean up the half-assed mess you made.

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  85. Secretarial Pool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Companies used to hire vast numbers of people to type documents, circulate memos, and do other menial labour.


    Those jobs are gone. An individual manageer may not feel quite as productive without his/her secretary, but if he's doing his job and hers, productivity has still roughly doubled (twice the number of jobs done per unit time).


    Part of this is just a shift in business culture: people in business no longer care so much about spelling or grammar, so having a professional typist to re-word a manager's personal communications to look and sound "just right" has become a luxury few can now afford.


    Secretaries used to be half of the executive team. Now, the job gets done, largely without them.

  86. Re:Thats a HR issue not a tech issue by Llurien · · Score: 1

    Yes, and then you've also cost the other 127 people in the organization who couldn't care less about HRPROD22-NA01 at least 30 seconds to read and discard the email, plus the lost time for task switching between what they were doing and reading your email. This equates to 2 hours of lost time with one press of the send-button.

    One thing that technology has made very easy is for a single person to annoy a very large group of people with minimal effort. And that person does not even have to be out to annoy them, merely stupidity suffices. In fact, technology has not only increased the power of the competent to do good, it has also multiplied the power of the evil or incompetent to do bad (SPAM anyone?).

  87. The facts don't fit this discussion. by managerialslime · · Score: 1

    An entire /. discussion about how adding technology to our lives has reduced our productivity? Throw me a bone!

    Greenspan is retired mere nanoseconds before we ignore the facts all around us?

    Consider the following chart:

    Year____US GDP________________Workers________GDP per Worker
    1996____7,816,820,000,000____119,708,000____$65,29 9.06
    1997____8,304,330,000,000____122,776,000____$67,63 8.06
    1998____8,746,980,000,000____125,930,000____$69,45 9.06
    1999____9,268,430,000,000____128,993,000____$71,85 2.19
    2000____9,816,970,000,000____131,785,000____$74,49 2.32
    2001____10,127,900,000,000____131,826,000____$76,8 27.79
    2002____10,469,600,000,000____130,341,000____$80,3 24.69
    2003____10,971,200,000,000____129,999,000____$84,3 94.50
    2004____11,734,300,000,000____131,435,000____$89,2 78.35

    In less than 10 years of intensive deployment of desktop, laptop, handheld, and communications technologies, annual US output increased from $65,299.06 to $89,278.35 per year. (Don't confuse that with personal income. This number is the total income for both all business corporations and sole proprietorships in the country.)

    The bottom line: while you may personally FEEL like you are being pulled in too many directions and getting less done, (and for all I know, you personally MAY be spending 7.7 hours a day on /.,) , the overall population is producing almost 50% more goods and services with a workforce that is barely 10% larger. Now that's what any reasonable person would agree is a productivity INCREASE.

    Even adjusted for inflation, the numbers are still way..way..way..UP.

    If my numbers are off, I am open to correction and explanations.

    Until then, quitcherwhining..

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  88. Or maybe... by henrythehorse · · Score: 1

    Or maybe the people who took this stupid survery are not getting as much work done because they're busy filling out stupid surveys about how much work they're not getting done.

  89. information technology increases intellectual work by johnrpenner · · Score: 1


    Earlier generations of machines decreased the complexity of tasks.
    In contrast, information technologies can increase the intellectual
    content of work at all levels. (Shoshana Zuboff)

  90. saw it in action yesterday by zogger · · Score: 1

    I had ordered a couple of parts from a tractor dealer two counties over. They don't ship to the door so I had to drive over to pick them up. when I got there, one of the two was incorrect, so we had to look again.. I went with the parts dude to look at the computer. First he went through his dead trees catalog, couldn't find it,but he was comfortable enough there. Then we hit the screen. OMGBBQWTF was that ugly crap! Just NASTY looking, looked like someones first attempt at coding or something. It was a propietary looking sheet that ran on top of IE. It was the worst junk I have ever seen, totally bogus, just complicated beyond belief and all squished together and you couldn't really see anything there. And dig this...NO ONE had ever shown this parts guy that you could have two windows open, one within the other one like in frames, and that if there were scroll bars that BOTH of them scrolled. We were looking at a page where he had to scroll an inner bar down to keep looking at the parts. He scrolls the outside one, then stops "that's it" he says" "no more parts".

    I had to SHOW him to scroll the inner one, he goes "wow!"

    No telling how many lost sales and frustrated customers who couldn't get what they wanted, and this is a factory dealer place.

    We had pitiful so called "technology" being run by someone with zero training. Bad mojo. In this instance just the plain old fashioned catalogs, if they would have been more complete, would have been much better.

  91. wrong by wmaker · · Score: 1

    technology increasing causes expectations to increase; giving the impression less is accomplished.

  92. Is it really tech? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    Or the fact we overhired during the 1990's and have been laying off, firing, and outsourcing people to increase productivity?

    Well now we have no secretaries helping out and we do the work of mroe than one person to make our shareholders happy.

    Its natural and unrelated to technology. Since the economy is improving and adding jobs just wait until we see huge productivity improvements as companies have bigger budgets to hire more people so they can focus on 1 task rather than several jobs at once.

  93. Right... by cyberbob2010 · · Score: 1

    ....well I would like to see these people try and live with the large amount of transactions that we make every day because of both the growing population level and the growing middle class represented world wide. I would also like to see a government that would be able to handle a population this size without it. I would also like to see a nation that is ran freely and with as transparent a government as we now have (thanks to blogs etc...) without it.
    ***please add to the list as I would love to see how many things we can find that would be impossible to do without the technology that we have today***

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  94. Email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where I work, the main mode of communication is phone (largely teleconference, with 4-12 people on the call, in which case it's impossible to document exactly whom said what, especially as two of them are likely to be in a car, with a noisy connection, and the list of parties not available to all parties on the call), or random email (which goes to some people, but not others), or personal conversations, which are only related well after the event, and after we have done a lot of design work without that knowledge. My latest situation is that they have allocated 5 (of four available!) CPU boards to a certain project; I had pointed out that you could use the 4 available to build 3 domains, and add the other one later. They've ignored that, and have no CPUs left for the additional domain. Their choice == their problem? Not by their standards. Apparently, it's my problem. So, we chucked out our original design beause they wanted these 3 first, and came up with a new design. They have now created a new situation whereby all 4 CPU boards are used in 2 domains, and there is nothing left to build the 3rd domain. (We've got another 10 domains to build, FFS!). This is after we've come down hard on them, saying that there has to be strict version control on the project plan, because we (hey, what the hell, it's just a personal choice - LIKE TO DO THINGS PROFESSIONALLY.) So they're now screwed again, because they still can't provide what they promised someone (who? they won't say - there are so many layers involved in this project) and that is suddenly my problem again (so they claim). It's not technology making my work harder, it's lack of change control. Sane people coming up with a plan, ensuring that everybody can sign up to that plan, and then implementing it, would take away 90% of the stress. I can then spend my other stress time on the test environments (after all, it should all be tested in the test env's, then done as clockwork in the Live, after all???!!!!!)

  95. As a Rational/IBM customer ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... I am shocked, shocked at that thought! I mean doesn't everyone spend at least 25% of there time delivering code, fixing broken merges, comparing machine configurations, and deciphering ambiguous error messages?

  96. Productivity != Work by bagsc · · Score: 1

    Productivity is the product (measured in dollars) per unit labor. Timeliness, coordination, and efficiency all increase the value of what you do, even if it seems like you spend all day reading stupid reports, taking stupid phone calls, and wasting effort being distracted.

    Doing the valuable project and being distracted from the invaluable project means you're being more productive - even if you wasted some effort on the low-value project.

    The fact that you:
    - got the information you needed, at the right moment, and
    - helped other members of your team from being stuck all day doing the wrong thing,
    - just so you could get that rush report to the boss so he could make an important decision by 5 o'clock,
    - even though it ruined what you wanted to get done,
    doesn't mean you weren't productive.
    In fact, you:
    - saved yourself from needing to do hours of research
    - prevented your coworkers from wasting dozens more hours
    - sped up the company strategy by a day
    - all for the mere cost of something that can be done tomorrow.

    That, my friends, is the high stress world of increased productivity.

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  97. I completely disagree by DreadHarn · · Score: 1

    The only people who are slowing down because of technology are those that are too lazy or can't focus on work and they just needed a good excuse not to do it. My father works at a hospital in the region and says that a quarer of the techs in his lab spend half the day on the www looking at auction sites, tutorials etc instead of doing work that piles up. Just last week they fired someone who was faking test results(in a hospital!) SO it's the lazy and people without respect for their work that slow down, the rest of us speed up cause now we are more efficient(usually).

  98. Productivity vs Workload by thedletterman · · Score: 1

    Even if it wsn't people FEELING like they were getting less accomplished, the bottom line is just because people are getting less ccomplished, doesn't mean they are working harder to accomplish the same tasks. Chores are fractionally as difficult as they were decades ago, it's mind numbing how much easier it has become to be productive. Just look at GDP growth, and noone can make an argument we are less productive.

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  99. Groupware by SirKron · · Score: 1

    Although many believe the article to be false, I can see that Groupware (Exchange, Kroupware, GroupWise, etc.) makes it way too easy for people to over-invite meetings. I have seen this alone to contribute to hundreds of lost man-hours in a year. Validating that I do seem to accomplish less being dragged into unorganized meetings.