There in lay the issue , the network works backwards. A 10 mbit lan card works on 100 and gigabit , it's in negotiation. These players are failing to play newer movies.
It's more like saying that your nic is rejecting cat6 because it is newer then cat5e. It's just not right.
That is a limitation of the hardware , not the platform. HD-DVD can also place 1080p content on a disc. It's not like blu-ray where discs are just not playing no matter what the content is.
While i agree the lawsuit is bogus , I think this does send a message. And that message is stop making the end user a beta tester.
You mention networking gear. It doesn't really hold up here. When people bought "pre-N" gear , and "draft-N" gear , they knew what they were getting themselves into. These blu-ray players were sold as blu-ray players. Meaning they would play all future blu-ray movies. Funny I have an old RCA dvd player that plays new dvds, yeah I guess I am expecting to much for it to not randomly reject blu-ray discs.
Look they sold this as a blu-ray player , one should expect it to play every blu-ray disc, be it new or old as long as the disc is in good condition. These things are flaking out on people and not playing some discs , blocking features ( which I admit is really the problem I hate. ) That and the fact that they are now adding more features while increasing the core of the device itself , meaning they are changing specs mid stream. Something that HD DVD knew would happen and put the specs out to combat , they wanted one set standard , it seems like the blu-ray standard is not a standard and an ever evolving mess.
While I agree with you , I do feel for the folks who bought these players when they were $600 + , there is no reason that features should have been missing from the players when they came to market. HD-DVD doesn't have this problem , wonder why ?
These companies need to stop doing this. People need to stop accepting the planned obsolescence excuses and realize they are milking us. These players should not have "versions" or "profiles" make it a single deployment standard and stop trying to add features the competition already has. They should have added those in the beginning.
Im just getting tired of seeing folks who bought in early getting porked by companies like Sony and Microsoft. I understand software revisions. And I don't mind it, but why are vital things like a second decoder not in the spec to make it at least upgradeable. Or even just disabled until a special disc is put in to flash the firmware to activate it ? I am tired of us folks paying to be alpha and beta testers for the corporations.
After DishNetwork's crippling of their 501/510 DVR receivers by forcing out botched firmwares, I grew tired of their excuses month after month. So I switched to DirecTV.
Better product, better service, better support. Echostar is starting to fade...quickly. Echostar is actually still growing. in 2003 they ended at a little under 10 million subscribers. Directv ended at 13 million. Byt 2006 Echostar had a little under 14 million. While Directv has a little over 15. The numbers are evening.
They say the Hd content will put Directv over but , it's looking like all it's doing is slimming the cable co's down a bit. Most folks are coming from there to the dbs providers.
Or maybe they weeded out the non tivo users from the jury box and got them to believe if dishnetwork kept doing this their tivos would die or become useless.
Around here , we have good guys like "dead eye" dick who take their "friends" hunting , and talk to them about their issues before they go for prosecution.
Ever work in a fortune 500 ? It takes an act of congress to be able bring a server down and reimage it to a known good state if it's been compromised. And they are usually the places with enough bandwidth that they may never find the compromised boxen , until some one important's kid installs the plugin and he can't view his web mail.
Besides I don't know any security or even system admins here at a fortune 100 that even bother looking at blacklists. Well maybe the email guys do , but no one else I talked with yet.
At first id suppose so. But once they are building them in huge volumes I would definitely say no. Plus no need to change anything they can keep on pressing the same chips and the optical fabs would need to be at least retooled for a new disc. Or at least id imagine so.
No but a couple folks I know do wedding videos and graduation videos in high def. You would not believe how cheap people are. And a plant running 100 copies is not cheap. To keep the average person from buying a copy and ripping it for every one in their family is nice. At least so the camera man can make his money back for his equipment and skill.
Again , if I gotta buy something imported , I choose the lesser of the 2 evils. At least it looks like I may have , in the future , a way to back up my hd dvd's if i choose to buy them. Blu-ray has the bd mark which will not let players play encrypted content with out it.
So let's say I create a video and want to sell it but not let folks copy it. I can't encrypt the disc and have it played in another player unless I pay to have the discs pressed. With hd-dvd I can change the encryption key to my own and make it at least semi difficult for some one to rip a copy of. A non technical person can't just rip a copy of it yet , like they can with a normal dvd.
I do have to say the drm sucks on the blu-ray system. It's made strictly for the big boys who have much to lose and not even remotely possible for the little guy to use.
True but the the beauty is that then it turns into a micro code hacking contest in which we have the hardware , much like smart cards have become the thing to hack. There will always be this cat and mouse game as long as people make a product and some one knows how it works. Unless they make it so cheap there is no point in stealing it, or they make it so hard to steal that it's not economically feasible to steal it.
I agree , I would like to see content distributed on read only memory cards. I seen 32 gig cards were do out soon. Why can't we see a new format using these instead of optical discs ? Supposedly they are cheap to produce and the newer flash memories can provide enough read speed to watch movies off them. Why not a little more investment in it to make it even faster then optical discs, and completely be done with optical discs.
But that would fail because they probably couldn't pack as much DRM on them to protect the "content".
I dislike Sony because it's Japanese, we don't have many of our goods sold there but they sell a ton here.
I don't like being forced into buying a new player every time they want to update their specs. hd-dvd had those features at launch, why didn't blu-ray ? At this point I think hd-dvd is the lesser of 2 evils at the moment.
They need to get burners to market in mass quantity as well as offer those licenses for free or very very small royalties.
Like pennies per unit. Plus they need to get the consumer on their side. The more hd-dvd players out there the more the industry has to listen. Unfortunately with the economy tanking this is hard. Right now I personally would put money making on the back burner and just look to break even. Make hd-dvd discs cheaper to buy then a normal dvd and make the players cheaper. At that point this whole thing can turn around , with consumer demand the studios have to listen. If smaller studios stick to the format then there really can be a price market , smaller studios usually make lower cost films and don't need to recoup so much back.
The american and canadian dbs providers , even cable can thank piracy for large subscriber growth. They really should get those burners out in high volumes fast.
I own a ps3 and don't own any movies. Matter of fact I haven't even done the free movie deal yet. I am gonna and just put them on ebay. I am not buying these discs. I refuse to buy anything like it.
Blu-ray is too drm laden for me. The fact that players won't play a burnt disc is absolutely horrible. I want to be able to burn movies to a disc with out the need for the stupid mark to view it.
Let's be serious here , I could have done better then Russia did by strapping some rockets and a transmitter to a camcorder and launching it from my back yard.
Nasa is very far ahead of Russia or the Soviet Union , or what ever they want to be called this month.
My Massachusetts license doesn't have my social security number.
It was a known scam for some time to cause an accident on purpose (swoop and squat scam http://www.fbi.gov/page2/feb05/stagedauto021805.htm ) on a very nice vehicle perceived to have a high value. They would jott down your info including the license # which was your social security # and go on spending sprees with the victims credit info, while also collecting from the insurance company.
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There in lay the issue , the network works backwards. A 10 mbit lan card works on 100 and gigabit , it's in negotiation. These players are failing to play newer movies.
It's more like saying that your nic is rejecting cat6 because it is newer then cat5e. It's just not right.
That is a limitation of the hardware , not the platform. HD-DVD can also place 1080p content on a disc. It's not like blu-ray where discs are just not playing no matter what the content is.
While i agree the lawsuit is bogus , I think this does send a message. And that message is stop making the end user a beta tester.
You mention networking gear. It doesn't really hold up here. When people bought "pre-N" gear , and "draft-N" gear , they knew what they were getting themselves into. These blu-ray players were sold as blu-ray players. Meaning they would play all future blu-ray movies. Funny I have an old RCA dvd player that plays new dvds, yeah I guess I am expecting to much for it to not randomly reject blu-ray discs.
Look they sold this as a blu-ray player , one should expect it to play every blu-ray disc, be it new or old as long as the disc is in good condition. These things are flaking out on people and not playing some discs , blocking features ( which I admit is really the problem I hate. ) That and the fact that they are now adding more features while increasing the core of the device itself , meaning they are changing specs mid stream. Something that HD DVD knew would happen and put the specs out to combat , they wanted one set standard , it seems like the blu-ray standard is not a standard and an ever evolving mess.
While I agree with you , I do feel for the folks who bought these players when they were $600 + , there is no reason that features should have been missing from the players when they came to market. HD-DVD doesn't have this problem , wonder why ?
These companies need to stop doing this. People need to stop accepting the planned obsolescence excuses and realize they are milking us. These players should not have "versions" or "profiles" make it a single deployment standard and stop trying to add features the competition already has. They should have added those in the beginning.
Im just getting tired of seeing folks who bought in early getting porked by companies like Sony and Microsoft. I understand software revisions. And I don't mind it, but why are vital things like a second decoder not in the spec to make it at least upgradeable. Or even just disabled until a special disc is put in to flash the firmware to activate it ? I am tired of us folks paying to be alpha and beta testers for the corporations.
Better product, better service, better support. Echostar is starting to fade...quickly. Echostar is actually still growing. in 2003 they ended at a little under 10 million subscribers. Directv ended at 13 million. Byt 2006 Echostar had a little under 14 million. While Directv has a little over 15. The numbers are evening.
They say the Hd content will put Directv over but , it's looking like all it's doing is slimming the cable co's down a bit. Most folks are coming from there to the dbs providers.
Or maybe they weeded out the non tivo users from the jury box and got them to believe if dishnetwork kept doing this their tivos would die or become useless.
Then again, yeah,,i suspect idiocy as well.
Around here , we have good guys like "dead eye" dick who take their "friends" hunting , and talk to them about their issues before they go for prosecution.
Ever work in a fortune 500 ? It takes an act of congress to be able bring a server down and reimage it to a known good state if it's been compromised. And they are usually the places with enough bandwidth that they may never find the compromised boxen , until some one important's kid installs the plugin and he can't view his web mail.
Besides I don't know any security or even system admins here at a fortune 100 that even bother looking at blacklists. Well maybe the email guys do , but no one else I talked with yet.
At first id suppose so. But once they are building them in huge volumes I would definitely say no. Plus no need to change anything they can keep on pressing the same chips and the optical fabs would need to be at least retooled for a new disc. Or at least id imagine so.
No but a couple folks I know do wedding videos and graduation videos in high def. You would not believe how cheap people are. And a plant running 100 copies is not cheap. To keep the average person from buying a copy and ripping it for every one in their family is nice. At least so the camera man can make his money back for his equipment and skill.
I see people ripping $8 dvd's of graduations.
Again , if I gotta buy something imported , I choose the lesser of the 2 evils. At least it looks like I may have , in the future , a way to back up my hd dvd's if i choose to buy them. Blu-ray has the bd mark which will not let players play encrypted content with out it.
So let's say I create a video and want to sell it but not let folks copy it. I can't encrypt the disc and have it played in another player unless I pay to have the discs pressed. With hd-dvd I can change the encryption key to my own and make it at least semi difficult for some one to rip a copy of. A non technical person can't just rip a copy of it yet , like they can with a normal dvd.
I do have to say the drm sucks on the blu-ray system. It's made strictly for the big boys who have much to lose and not even remotely possible for the little guy to use.
True but the the beauty is that then it turns into a micro code hacking contest in which we have the hardware , much like smart cards have become the thing to hack. There will always be this cat and mouse game as long as people make a product and some one knows how it works. Unless they make it so cheap there is no point in stealing it, or they make it so hard to steal that it's not economically feasible to steal it.
I agree , I would like to see content distributed on read only memory cards. I seen 32 gig cards were do out soon. Why can't we see a new format using these instead of optical discs ? Supposedly they are cheap to produce and the newer flash memories can provide enough read speed to watch movies off them. Why not a little more investment in it to make it even faster then optical discs, and completely be done with optical discs.
But that would fail because they probably couldn't pack as much DRM on them to protect the "content".
No , but read further down , right now hd-dvd is the lesser of 2 evils.
If i have to buy imported stuff at least let it be the lesser of the 2 evils.
I dislike Sony because it's Japanese, we don't have many of our goods sold there but they sell a ton here.
I don't like being forced into buying a new player every time they want to update their specs. hd-dvd had those features at launch, why didn't blu-ray ? At this point I think hd-dvd is the lesser of 2 evils at the moment.
They need to get burners to market in mass quantity as well as offer those licenses for free or very very small royalties.
Like pennies per unit. Plus they need to get the consumer on their side. The more hd-dvd players out there the more the industry has to listen. Unfortunately with the economy tanking this is hard. Right now I personally would put money making on the back burner and just look to break even. Make hd-dvd discs cheaper to buy then a normal dvd and make the players cheaper. At that point this whole thing can turn around , with consumer demand the studios have to listen. If smaller studios stick to the format then there really can be a price market , smaller studios usually make lower cost films and don't need to recoup so much back.
The reason I say they need burners in high volume asap, is that whether they like it or not piracy is often times a real boost to sales. It's been proven that it helps.( http://www.stargeek.com/item/41324.html ) ( http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=243454 )
The american and canadian dbs providers , even cable can thank piracy for large subscriber growth. They really should get those burners out in high volumes fast.
I own a ps3 and don't own any movies. Matter of fact I haven't even done the free movie deal yet. I am gonna and just put them on ebay. I am not buying these discs. I refuse to buy anything like it.
Blu-ray is too drm laden for me. The fact that players won't play a burnt disc is absolutely horrible. I want to be able to burn movies to a disc with out the need for the stupid mark to view it.
Im willing to bet 14 gigs of the pictures are aerials of some fat chick in the midwest , who all the guys told her she was hot just to try and bang.
Any port in a storm !
Yeah unfortunately none of these damn things crash when useless people are on them.
Let's be serious here , I could have done better then Russia did by strapping some rockets and a transmitter to a camcorder and launching it from my back yard.
Nasa is very far ahead of Russia or the Soviet Union , or what ever they want to be called this month.
Insert russian joke here:
In Soviet Russia the probes probe you !
That damn signed integer strikes again ! http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/19/1321241
My Massachusetts license doesn't have my social security number.
It was a known scam for some time to cause an accident on purpose (swoop and squat scam http://www.fbi.gov/page2/feb05/stagedauto021805.htm ) on a very nice vehicle perceived to have a high value. They would jott down your info including the license # which was your social security # and go on spending sprees with the victims credit info, while also collecting from the insurance company.
Per processor licenses are unaffected by the number of cores, a processor and a core are 2 separate beasts. No companies charge per core.
WGA would like to access the internet Allow or Cancel ?
IGA would like to access the internet Allow or Cancel ?
Great just what I need even more things for Windows Vista to bother me about.
I thought the cheat code was "G0D_Sp0ke_t0_m3" ?
That of course is not as powerful as the code "GW_is_KinG"