I recently had an issue with spyware and IE. I don't use IE so I uninstalled it... wait... you can't actually uninstall it. You can go through the motions but it doesn't really remove anything. And hold on, wasn't there a court case about this? And didn't MS lose?
For most Linux users that I know the issues are partly political but mostly because they'd like an OS that does what they tell it to do. That is the point of a computer isn't it? If I wanted an appliance I would have moved to Mac a long time ago. Now I'm looking at Mac again.
The simplicity helps with solidity as good software developers know.
How exactly *is* IE tied into my OS? As for the grandparent to this post, it's really hard to make the OS irrelevant when the OS encompasses everything.
I agree that Windows has come a long way. IMHO, Win2K was actually usable. But it is not only the kiddie games that cause problems.
Your suggestion concerning the Navy shows that you are obviously not familiar with NMCI (Navy - Marine Corps Intranet). It is entirely Windows based, extremely well locked down, and horribly unstable and sluggish. With a few million dollars being spent to make a usable, homogenous windows network without any ability for the user to change the configuration or install software one would think that this should be the most stable and usable windows network on the planet. In fact, a Win2K game machine, riddled with spyware, and various other TSRs is more stable and usable... not to mention more productive.
(ok... that went a little far but not by much. Take Gator off the machine and it's a good comparison.)
I grew up moving around and I wouldn't trade it for the world. The only bad thing about it is that I don't understand people with your views. I don't see the "normality" of the homesteaded lifestyle. Not everyone grows up like Beaver Cleaver. And we don't miss it. A child's idea of normal is set according their environment. If that environment is constantly changing then change becomes the norm and they identify with it. I does change your perception of the world. I look at things differently than friends I have that grew up in one spot.
That being said, I like to be around family on certain holidays. Today being one. Family also includes good friends made while moving around.
I caution folks to not consider their idea of normal to be shared by all. Nor even consider it to be desirable.
I'd love to work overseas but I have a really good job here right now. But if anyone knows of any opportunities in Spain... let's talk.
ok... i'm not drunk anymore. No hangover, but thanks for the offer of aspirin.
The statement is a false publication. Actually indeterminate but presented falsely. One's ability to obey laws does not reflect on one's intelligence at all. The CEO of Enron was stupid? An idiot maybe, but not stupid. Besides, we haven't determined that not putting unapproved software was actually a rule or not. Where I work it is just sort of understood.
As far as the rest of the statement, it is IMPLICITLY against all SETI users. Implicitly it is implying just what you pointed out. Of course, I agree that his undertones are what is important here.
and yes, I have spent way too much typing on this asshole's comment. I still think he is an asshole - but that's an opinion that I wouldn't publish if I had a professional connection to the guy... except maybe on/. because the nature of this forum kind of precludes its use in libel or defamation cases.
I'd like to declare this the point where we agree to disagree on which one was more stupid than the other.
BTW, i also speak spanish better when i'm drunk... of course, it sounds more like portuguese then.
i'm going to warn you all up front that i am definitely drunk as i write this... not tipsy. drunk.
maybe as a former officer in the navy i should publicly write that i thought 20 of the 73 people inmy division were absolute morons.
i think that is just perfect. now, i'm wondering why we have such a term as libel. if libel is not pertinent in this case then what situation does it apply to? please educate me.
i don't actually care whether or not what the admin/programmer (whatever) did was against regulations or just stupid... what the director did was both stupid and unprofessional. it was just as stupid as thinking you could run whatever software you wanted on a server. and just like the admin he should be smacked for thinking he can get away with it.
as far as how that statement is pertinent to the SETI community at large, if you can't see that i can't help you. it is a direct statement against people who think life may be present on other planets. The possibility of this is beyond this discussion but is a near mathematical certainty. the only arguments against depend upon believing that we are the earliest incarnation possible of life being developed in events following the big bang.
re-look at his statement and tell me how it does not apply to all SETI members.
I see it as a mistake. I would not run any software on a server that wasn't originally intended to be run on there. But I don't think it was utterly stupid. Naive maybe.
Tom's comment shows he's an utter moron. By implication he has called all folks that run SETI unintelligent because they look for life in space because they "obviously [don't] find it in the mirror in the morning." That's just stupid. Like admirals and generals and other people in power that have made similar comments that are just their opinion but utterly stupid he should be fired also (I was originally thinking about an admiral a few years back that made an inappropriate comment about some sailors that raped a japanese girl in japan. He said something to the effect of "they should have just gotten a hooker.")
knives are not a bad suggestion but i'll let you continue with that...
and pepper spray is a worse suggestion. i've been hit with multiple types of it and i can still work through it. Now there is stuff you can't work through but it ain't pepper spray and it ain't available to the public. It makes you kind of want to die for a brief period. Some institutions use it as a motivator in training.
I'll just leave this at, you are confusing art with utility.
If you are really interested in this go train with some folks and get some hands on. We may still differ in opinion but I'd respect your opinion more. And always remember to consider the situation and who the advice is aimed at.
The problem with both of those theories is that when one reads about them they are taken out of the context of tactics. This is common in other arenas too (IA).
For a person coming upon an intruder the right thing to do is highly dependent upon how they come upon the intruder. In CA it is not legal to shoot to defend property. So you can't come up on them and see them in your car and shoot them in the leg.
So the only time you are allowed to shoot is when threatened i.e. coming upon a guy in the house. Under these circumstances instinctual shot placement is all a standard citizen is going to get.
This is why I usually recommend shotguns or knives for self defense over pistols.
The debates you are talking about are only for those that have decided the gun is to be their martial art. Home safety should not be dependent upon hours of range time and development of a gun fighter steadiness under fire. Adapt your tactics to your needs vice over-engineering your life.
P.S. how can you grow up on a range and not shoot?
The physical punishment should be proportion to the physical destruction caused. Seeing as IP theft is ephemeral I propose that victim should think really hard about whipping the thief. Or maybe make a plaster caste of their back and whip that. That should make it even.
Come on now...
didn't you read the posts above? There were plenty of good uses for the technology. We're not talking about selling those boxes that allow you to change the traffic signal. We're talking about selling something that allows you to say, "Hi, my name is." It's akin to wearing the wrong name tag to a party. I have no moral obligation to tell you my real name. An there are times when some folks don't wish to do so. As mentioned before: social workers, doctors, bail bondsmen, certain federal workers, me any time I call my mom... whatever.
It is perfectly within my right to lie to you about my identity unless it's in a court of law or other legally specified situation. If we were all bar coded and scannable I'd be the first to use a false return bar code. And I'd use it continuously. I'd be Sven McDougal to everyone - btw, my name's not Sven.
You make it sound like the economy will collapse if this thing got loose. And then you have the nerve to admit you would be an accomplish to a death threat. There is some seriously skewed logic going on here.
Btw, it's loose and the economy is fine - well, sorta.
For the record the post below the parent is an appropriate rebuttal to the silly Hacker comment.
uC
It got a little inflammatory at the end but both jokes were rather amusing.
Also, I've never heard of a Christian killing someone over a joke. But blashphemy is another story.
uC
you can tell you don't work in IT. to ask that all install processes be standardized across linux is 1) against the point of linux 2) like asking that all installs work the same across all unices i.e. MacOS, Slackware, Mandrake, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Debian, Solaris, HP-UX, VxWorks, AIX,... these are all unices and most use variants of tools developed on one or the other. Even windows uses the BSD IP stack.
By the way, I'm employed full time in a non-trivial job (see previous post) and I'm a grad student. I don't have time to fuss with my OS either. So I use Mandrake. Point and click updates and installs. I watch dvds in it. I check mail in it. I produce power point slides for work in it. and if I install something that I don't need anymore the roll-back is super easy.
my choice... but an informed choice rather than by guesstimation.
I hope someone reads this far down...
I work as an IA specialist for DoD and linux and vxworks are used in a lot of crucial areas. radars run vxworks. networks that transfer target data run linux.
Common Criteria (the orange book) is an old standard and is recognized as untenable. The red book came out to address some of those issues. the orange book only certifies non-networked platforms. the minute you connect it to something the certification is void.
the DoDI 8500.2 is the reigning instruction for certification of all systems. and just to be fair... win2k, xp, or 2003 aren't CC certified either.
Sometimes you just have to ask a govy before deriving your own conclusions.
underCat
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Still the wrong argument...
I recently had an issue with spyware and IE. I don't use IE so I uninstalled it... wait... you can't actually uninstall it. You can go through the motions but it doesn't really remove anything. And hold on, wasn't there a court case about this? And didn't MS lose?
For most Linux users that I know the issues are partly political but mostly because they'd like an OS that does what they tell it to do. That is the point of a computer isn't it? If I wanted an appliance I would have moved to Mac a long time ago. Now I'm looking at Mac again.
The simplicity helps with solidity as good software developers know.
How exactly *is* IE tied into my OS? As for the grandparent to this post, it's really hard to make the OS irrelevant when the OS encompasses everything.
I agree that Windows has come a long way. IMHO, Win2K was actually usable. But it is not only the kiddie games that cause problems.
Your suggestion concerning the Navy shows that you are obviously not familiar with NMCI (Navy - Marine Corps Intranet). It is entirely Windows based, extremely well locked down, and horribly unstable and sluggish. With a few million dollars being spent to make a usable, homogenous windows network without any ability for the user to change the configuration or install software one would think that this should be the most stable and usable windows network on the planet. In fact, a Win2K game machine, riddled with spyware, and various other TSRs is more stable and usable... not to mention more productive.
(ok... that went a little far but not by much. Take Gator off the machine and it's a good comparison.)
I grew up moving around and I wouldn't trade it for the world. The only bad thing about it is that I don't understand people with your views. I don't see the "normality" of the homesteaded lifestyle. Not everyone grows up like Beaver Cleaver. And we don't miss it. A child's idea of normal is set according their environment. If that environment is constantly changing then change becomes the norm and they identify with it. I does change your perception of the world. I look at things differently than friends I have that grew up in one spot.
That being said, I like to be around family on certain holidays. Today being one. Family also includes good friends made while moving around.
I caution folks to not consider their idea of normal to be shared by all. Nor even consider it to be desirable.
I'd love to work overseas but I have a really good job here right now. But if anyone knows of any opportunities in Spain... let's talk.
I've always loved this quote.
If you suck on a tit the movie gets an R rating. If you hack the tit off with an axe it will be PG. ~Jack Nicholson
Sig? No, thanks. I don't smoke.
That is a really bad analogy.
I can't avoid the public nuisance.
When is the last time you actually heard Howard Stern?
See... if you don't like him, don't tune in to him.
Now, if Howard started driving around in a van with a loudspeaker then I could understand shutting him up.
If it's filet mignon or rat poison, once you know what it is it is your problem whether or not you eat it.
sig? No, thanks. I don't smoke.
ok... i'm not drunk anymore. No hangover, but thanks for the offer of aspirin.
/. because the nature of this forum kind of precludes its use in libel or defamation cases.
The statement is a false publication. Actually indeterminate but presented falsely. One's ability to obey laws does not reflect on one's intelligence at all. The CEO of Enron was stupid? An idiot maybe, but not stupid. Besides, we haven't determined that not putting unapproved software was actually a rule or not. Where I work it is just sort of understood.
As far as the rest of the statement, it is IMPLICITLY against all SETI users. Implicitly it is implying just what you pointed out. Of course, I agree that his undertones are what is important here.
and yes, I have spent way too much typing on this asshole's comment. I still think he is an asshole - but that's an opinion that I wouldn't publish if I had a professional connection to the guy... except maybe on
I'd like to declare this the point where we agree to disagree on which one was more stupid than the other.
BTW, i also speak spanish better when i'm drunk... of course, it sounds more like portuguese then.
uC
Oh, the pretty colors...
i'm going to warn you all up front that i am definitely drunk as i write this... not tipsy. drunk.
maybe as a former officer in the navy i should publicly write that i thought 20 of the 73 people inmy division were absolute morons.
i think that is just perfect. now, i'm wondering why we have such a term as libel. if libel is not pertinent in this case then what situation does it apply to? please educate me.
i don't actually care whether or not what the admin/programmer (whatever) did was against regulations or just stupid... what the director did was both stupid and unprofessional. it was just as stupid as thinking you could run whatever software you wanted on a server. and just like the admin he should be smacked for thinking he can get away with it.
as far as how that statement is pertinent to the SETI community at large, if you can't see that i can't help you. it is a direct statement against people who think life may be present on other planets. The possibility of this is beyond this discussion but is a near mathematical certainty. the only arguments against depend upon believing that we are the earliest incarnation possible of life being developed in events following the big bang.
re-look at his statement and tell me how it does not apply to all SETI members.
(even drunk i'm quite logical)
uC
'scuse me someone is waiting on me...
So you're saying that if you worked for a government agency you'd never stop enroute to grab a burger in your government car?
uC
Cape's in the cleaners.
How is this "utterly stupid?"
I see it as a mistake. I would not run any software on a server that wasn't originally intended to be run on there. But I don't think it was utterly stupid. Naive maybe.
Tom's comment shows he's an utter moron. By implication he has called all folks that run SETI unintelligent because they look for life in space because they "obviously [don't] find it in the mirror in the morning." That's just stupid. Like admirals and generals and other people in power that have made similar comments that are just their opinion but utterly stupid he should be fired also (I was originally thinking about an admiral a few years back that made an inappropriate comment about some sailors that raped a japanese girl in japan. He said something to the effect of "they should have just gotten a hooker.")
I think SETI should sue Tom.
uC
No i don't wear a cape.
knives are not a bad suggestion but i'll let you continue with that...
and pepper spray is a worse suggestion.
i've been hit with multiple types of it and i can still work through it. Now there is stuff you can't work through but it ain't pepper spray and it ain't available to the public. It makes you kind of want to die for a brief period. Some institutions use it as a motivator in training.
I'll just leave this at, you are confusing art with utility.
If you are really interested in this go train with some folks and get some hands on. We may still differ in opinion but I'd respect your opinion more. And always remember to consider the situation and who the advice is aimed at.
k
The problem with both of those theories is that when one reads about them they are taken out of the context of tactics. This is common in other arenas too (IA).
For a person coming upon an intruder the right thing to do is highly dependent upon how they come upon the intruder. In CA it is not legal to shoot to defend property. So you can't come up on them and see them in your car and shoot them in the leg.
So the only time you are allowed to shoot is when threatened i.e. coming upon a guy in the house.
Under these circumstances instinctual shot placement is all a standard citizen is going to get.
This is why I usually recommend shotguns or knives for self defense over pistols.
The debates you are talking about are only for those that have decided the gun is to be their martial art. Home safety should not be dependent upon hours of range time and development of a gun fighter steadiness under fire. Adapt your tactics to your needs vice over-engineering your life.
P.S. how can you grow up on a range and not shoot?
You don't shoot a lot do you?
under under and away
The physical punishment should be proportion to the physical destruction caused. Seeing as IP theft is ephemeral I propose that victim should think really hard about whipping the thief. Or maybe make a plaster caste of their back and whip that. That should make it even.
under under and away...
Come on now... didn't you read the posts above? There were plenty of good uses for the technology. We're not talking about selling those boxes that allow you to change the traffic signal. We're talking about selling something that allows you to say, "Hi, my name is ." It's akin to wearing the wrong name tag to a party. I have no moral obligation to tell you my real name. An there are times when some folks don't wish to do so. As mentioned before: social workers, doctors, bail bondsmen, certain federal workers, me any time I call my mom... whatever.
It is perfectly within my right to lie to you about my identity unless it's in a court of law or other legally specified situation. If we were all bar coded and scannable I'd be the first to use a false return bar code. And I'd use it continuously. I'd be Sven McDougal to everyone - btw, my name's not Sven.
You make it sound like the economy will collapse if this thing got loose. And then you have the nerve to admit you would be an accomplish to a death threat. There is some seriously skewed logic going on here.
Btw, it's loose and the economy is fine - well, sorta.
For the record the post below the parent is an appropriate rebuttal to the silly Hacker comment.
uC
It got a little inflammatory at the end but both jokes were rather amusing. Also, I've never heard of a Christian killing someone over a joke. But blashphemy is another story. uC
windows installs don't work on dos...
... these are all unices and most use variants of tools developed on one or the other. Even windows uses the BSD IP stack.
you can tell you don't work in IT.
to ask that all install processes be standardized across linux is
1) against the point of linux
2) like asking that all installs work the same across all unices i.e. MacOS, Slackware, Mandrake, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Debian, Solaris, HP-UX, VxWorks, AIX,
By the way, I'm employed full time in a non-trivial job (see previous post) and I'm a grad student. I don't have time to fuss with my OS either. So I use Mandrake. Point and click updates and installs. I watch dvds in it. I check mail in it. I produce power point slides for work in it. and if I install something that I don't need anymore the roll-back is super easy.
my choice... but an informed choice rather than by guesstimation.
underCat
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because cats don't care
I hope someone reads this far down... I work as an IA specialist for DoD and linux and vxworks are used in a lot of crucial areas. radars run vxworks. networks that transfer target data run linux. Common Criteria (the orange book) is an old standard and is recognized as untenable. The red book came out to address some of those issues. the orange book only certifies non-networked platforms. the minute you connect it to something the certification is void. the DoDI 8500.2 is the reigning instruction for certification of all systems. and just to be fair... win2k, xp, or 2003 aren't CC certified either. Sometimes you just have to ask a govy before deriving your own conclusions. underCat --- because cats just don't care