Microsoft can say they get x amount of tflops, and lets pretend for a moment that theoretically they are telling the truth. In reality, things *never* get to their potentials because of bottlenecks, unless of course your building super computers and have millions to invest. Microsoft and Sony can play the TFlops game, but in the end they aren't that powerful (as ArsTechnica has reported based on developer comments, they are much closer to 2-3 times the current generation in power)
I know you were probably joking, but you were modded insigtful and I couldn't help myself.
int's are initilized to whatever is located in ram at the time (so in effect, its random) so it would just crash (although any compile would see the / 0 literally typed in and slap you in the face for it)
Why, because write once run everywhere is a hoax? Or because Java is slow, and you could probably manually pick the electrons on the harddrive that housed the virus off before it could execute?
first of all, thats not C, unless typdef int sub, and even still you forgot the return 0;, thirdly, any good coder would notice something that obvious, and lastly its not malicious, it will just crash.
Your buddy never learnt how to use a memory card? I guess he deserves to lose his saves if hes dumb enough to not realize they would disappear.
Anyway, on a side note, it comes off that your using that argument as an anti-xbox one, but that would be silly (even though sony fanboys are capable of worse), so I'll give you the benifit of the doubt.
Im going to assume that in the end, the humans win, with a mixture of 20% luck, 60% killer human instinct and 20% hollywood shit, proving once and for all that planes driven by AI that, apparently, at least from the trailor that was shown before starwars said, was caught in an electrical storm and automagically rewired the plane, making it self aware. Damn those lightening bolts, mischevious things aren't they? Anyway, it proves that all that will never be a match for human ennginuity and bad jokes, all filmed against a blue screen, with little emphasis on wether the plot actually makes any sense.
I think this is a moterolla failure, and I think steve jobs wants it to fail (sure you can use itunes on your cell, but why do that when you can have this brand new snazy ipod nano! hurray!)
Yeah, especially considering how good Apple is with getting patches out. It also doesn't make sense because the first viruses came at a time when no one gave a shit about security, before the web and all that. Things were fixed long before windows came into the picture.
I would notice it with a simple 'ps -aux', and I'm willing to bet most advanced users would too, and so would Apple, and it would be gone in a few days. Sorry buddy, try again.
1. Not true. Run anything, lets say Linux, with no ports or anything running, just connected to the internet, not doing anything. You can't hack that, the best you can do is walk up to it and turn the power off.
2. Oh yeah?
You contradict yourself. Immunity implys that there is a zero chance, yet you say there could be in the future. There are enough security updates for osx, which proves it isn't immune.
3. Yeah, the guy is just looking for attention, but that last bit isn't true. And windows itself isnt a computing platform
4. Periods are nasty
5. Agreed
6. Your use of mandrake proves you either a) dont use linux or b) are a dumb windows user trying to switch, and why the fuck would you run win98 instead of xp? Oh and boxen is not a word, go to hell. Oh, and, why the hell would you tell them to buy a mac if you don't even have one? How would you know? Great advice bud.
I completly agree. You could have a seperate audio thread, maybe a seperate one for networking, but it's not worth the hassle of sync'ing the threads and watching out for race conditions. I honestly have to wonder how much speed you lose from things like that.
Offtopic bit (sorry but it will tie in at the end): Multithreaded games remind me of the same silliness of monolithic vs micro kernels. Back when Linus introduced Linux, there was a debate with Mr. Tannenbaum (creator of Minix), Linus and other users over which was better. The micro kernel idea, which minix used, was seperating things like disk i/o into seperate proccess outside of the kernel. Basically the kernel became very small, and managed things like messaging between the proccesses. There were some reasons for this that I won't go into. You can read the beggining of the book Open Sources, which is free online, for the story and logs of the debate. Anyways, these kernel's simply didn't preform better than monolithic kernels such as Linux, even though they should, and were not more stabble, even though they should've been. They sounded great on paper, but no one had been able to implement one realistically. As we can see, Linux is one of the fastest/feature rich kernel's out there (at least the 2.6 branch) yet it is still monolithic (although you can have modules - but not for everything, not for the most important things) We also have OSX, which adopted most of the MACH kernel, and is therefore a micro kernel, but as you can see by the recent benchmarks ars technica (I think it was them) have posted, it still doesn't compare to Linux for most things (like mysql and server stuff), although it is equal in others, like workstation stuff.
Anyways, sorry for the completly off topic exposistion, but I think we can learn a lesson here is that even though something may sound good on paper, and be theoretically a better way to do things, I can imagine it not working out, but maybe it will. There's alot of potential for dual core (The DS already uses this, the N64 did etc) and maybe even triple, but Sony's Cell CPU, with one main core and seven little SPE's is just overboard.
Exactly. To a non-coder it sounds like a walk in the park eh j3rry?. The x360 is, what, a triple core powerpc chip, and the PS3 is a less powerful chip, almost identical to one of the x360 cores, but with 7 SPE's (the S stands for stupid, not synergistic or whatever the fuck their marketroids named em)
These consoles are taking the idea of multithreading to the max, and both are taking very different approaches. Porting between the consoles was hard enough this gen (xbox getting good pc ports as it pretty much was a pc, the gcn being a ppc and the ps2 being made by sony, who can never make anything easy to develop for, and required alot of assembly code and hand vectorization to get a game working well on the already slower hardware) but now we've got not just different architectures to support, but completly and totally different programming models to support.
Twilight princess is set *after* windwaker, in the reformed Hyrule which you founded at the end of Wind Waker with Tetra as the new Zelda... oops don't read that if you haven't beat WW.
So, you're wish for a Zelda game having a grand conclusion, with the final end to the triforce struggle with might just be this game.
Right, that's why people regard Ocarina as one of the worst games of all time. "FPS" model for Zelda? What FPS are you talking about? First Person Shooter? Zelda was a platformer/adventure game, in third person. Frames Per Second? Wind Waker played pretty smooth for me. Or are you insinuating that Zelda should be first person ala metroid prime? If you are then let me be the first to punch you in the face.
He said that Zelda would reborn in some different way. Not back to 2D. MMORPG maybe? Hyrule Online, that would kick ass! I wanna be a Zora motherfucker, and have one of those bitchin' bone guitars!
Anyway, just because you're an old bastard that had to walk 15 miles to school everyday, through snow, uphill bothways, and doesn't like this new fangled "3D" thing, doesn't mean other people don't, and judging by the reviews for the past 3 3d zelda games (OoT, MM and WW) and the amount of hype over this new title, it looks like you're in a very small minority.
If you read the rest of the post, you'll understand the point I was making. While the xbox is theoretically superior to the gamecube by far, because of ill design the gamecube can produce graphics comparable to - and sometimes surpassing the xbox. Examples? Metroid Prime (1 & 2) and RE4. The one thing the xbox has going for it is better shader support. It's just easier to roll out games that use them than it is for the gamecube (where it requires more work) However, as you'll see by playing most any game, the gamecube kicks ass with things like particles (which is a more raw and implementation specific benchmark than shader support, but it speaks for how the gamecube can be more poweful than the xbox under certain conditions, equal in others and *slightly* less in the rest.
Bottom line: You're buying a console based on pretty graphics. Do you: A) go for the system with bigger numbers, even though it can never utilize them -or- B) Go with the system that can get better real world benchmarks, or in this case nearly equal, but for a lesser cost?
Of course you go with A), because you're a dumb AC that doesn't understand.
Nintendo doesn't sell their consoles at a lose. Whereas MS basically took a PC and put it in a smaller box (not by much either:P) and now with the 360, there are reports of serious bottlenecks in the hardware (bottlenecks are unavoidable in PC's to some extent, but in consoles, the less bottlenecks, the less money you're throwing away) Sony has never seemed to be able to build a very cost effective (and lets not even begin on well designed and easy to develop for) system, the only reason they now make money off their hardware is because of mass production.
Nintendo puts more research into their hardware development, so that things are more tightly designed. For example, the GCN costs them under 100$ to produce, somewhere between 50$ and 100$, yet its only a hair less powerful than the xbox, which MS is *still* selling for a loss, and yet the "number" specs of the GCN don't look anywhere near as good as the xbox. Why? Because the xbox's "specs" are more of theoretical specs, untainable because of bottlenecks. So, Nintendo can use cheaper parts, and get the same performance.
Because of this, Nintendo never sells at a lose. The only time they've done so is a few months with the GCN after a price drop, and it was somehwere around like 2$ a system, but mass manufacturing caught up quickly. Even the GCN now, selling for what it is, and the DS at 129$ makes them a profit.
Okay, I don't agree with the MPAA on this one, but you've got one hell of a bad comparison. If you try and make your care go faster or whatever, or want to paint racing stripes on it, it doesn't affect the car manufacturers in anyway. Modifying your Blu-ray player to play region locked discs or pirated discs however, has a (imaginary or real, not the point of this post) negative influence for the people selling movies. This isn't like adding a new motor to the disc drive to make the disc spin faster, its modding it to do something illegal.
Wait, you're making fun of the SA users hygiene and social skills, yet you're an Anonymous Coward on the slashdot message boards. I'm sorry, but you lose.
Personally, theres nothing I like more than watching a loading screen inbetween 15 second bouts of play on my handheld device, while I try and calculate how much more battery life I have left. Commuters will swarm to it, just like they did in Japan, which also has a heck of alot of public transportation.
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Just incase you weren't joking.
Microsoft can say they get x amount of tflops, and lets pretend for a moment that theoretically they are telling the truth. In reality, things *never* get to their potentials because of bottlenecks, unless of course your building super computers and have millions to invest. Microsoft and Sony can play the TFlops game, but in the end they aren't that powerful (as ArsTechnica has reported based on developer comments, they are much closer to 2-3 times the current generation in power)
I know you were probably joking, but you were modded insigtful and I couldn't help myself.
I bet it was still cheaper than 30 ps3's
AFAIK those are to scan files if your a mac user on a windows network, to stop the spreading of files to poor windows users.
int's are initilized to whatever is located in ram at the time (so in effect, its random) so it would just crash (although any compile would see the / 0 literally typed in and slap you in the face for it)
Why, because write once run everywhere is a hoax? Or because Java is slow, and you could probably manually pick the electrons on the harddrive that housed the virus off before it could execute?
first of all, thats not C, unless typdef int sub, and even still you forgot the return 0;, thirdly, any good coder would notice something that obvious, and lastly its not malicious, it will just crash.
Your buddy never learnt how to use a memory card? I guess he deserves to lose his saves if hes dumb enough to not realize they would disappear.
Anyway, on a side note, it comes off that your using that argument as an anti-xbox one, but that would be silly (even though sony fanboys are capable of worse), so I'll give you the benifit of the doubt.
Im going to assume that in the end, the humans win, with a mixture of 20% luck, 60% killer human instinct and 20% hollywood shit, proving once and for all that planes driven by AI that, apparently, at least from the trailor that was shown before starwars said, was caught in an electrical storm and automagically rewired the plane, making it self aware. Damn those lightening bolts, mischevious things aren't they? Anyway, it proves that all that will never be a match for human ennginuity and bad jokes, all filmed against a blue screen, with little emphasis on wether the plot actually makes any sense.
I think this is a moterolla failure, and I think steve jobs wants it to fail (sure you can use itunes on your cell, but why do that when you can have this brand new snazy ipod nano! hurray!)
that being said, i want a new newton too.
Too bad Bungie has confirmed the lack of a pc port. Sucker.
Yeah, especially considering how good Apple is with getting patches out. It also doesn't make sense because the first viruses came at a time when no one gave a shit about security, before the web and all that. Things were fixed long before windows came into the picture.
I would notice it with a simple 'ps -aux', and I'm willing to bet most advanced users would too, and so would Apple, and it would be gone in a few days. Sorry buddy, try again.
1. Not true. Run anything, lets say Linux, with no ports or anything running, just connected to the internet, not doing anything. You can't hack that, the best you can do is walk up to it and turn the power off.
2. Oh yeah?
You contradict yourself. Immunity implys that there is a zero chance, yet you say there could be in the future. There are enough security updates for osx, which proves it isn't immune.
3. Yeah, the guy is just looking for attention, but that last bit isn't true. And windows itself isnt a computing platform
4. Periods are nasty
5. Agreed
6. Your use of mandrake proves you either a) dont use linux or b) are a dumb windows user trying to switch, and why the fuck would you run win98 instead of xp? Oh and boxen is not a word, go to hell. Oh, and, why the hell would you tell them to buy a mac if you don't even have one? How would you know? Great advice bud.
p.s. I run mac osx and gentoo-ppc
I completly agree. You could have a seperate audio thread, maybe a seperate one for networking, but it's not worth the hassle of sync'ing the threads and watching out for race conditions. I honestly have to wonder how much speed you lose from things like that.
Offtopic bit (sorry but it will tie in at the end): Multithreaded games remind me of the same silliness of monolithic vs micro kernels. Back when Linus introduced Linux, there was a debate with Mr. Tannenbaum (creator of Minix), Linus and other users over which was better. The micro kernel idea, which minix used, was seperating things like disk i/o into seperate proccess outside of the kernel. Basically the kernel became very small, and managed things like messaging between the proccesses. There were some reasons for this that I won't go into. You can read the beggining of the book Open Sources, which is free online, for the story and logs of the debate. Anyways, these kernel's simply didn't preform better than monolithic kernels such as Linux, even though they should, and were not more stabble, even though they should've been. They sounded great on paper, but no one had been able to implement one realistically. As we can see, Linux is one of the fastest/feature rich kernel's out there (at least the 2.6 branch) yet it is still monolithic (although you can have modules - but not for everything, not for the most important things) We also have OSX, which adopted most of the MACH kernel, and is therefore a micro kernel, but as you can see by the recent benchmarks ars technica (I think it was them) have posted, it still doesn't compare to Linux for most things (like mysql and server stuff), although it is equal in others, like workstation stuff.
Anyways, sorry for the completly off topic exposistion, but I think we can learn a lesson here is that even though something may sound good on paper, and be theoretically a better way to do things, I can imagine it not working out, but maybe it will. There's alot of potential for dual core (The DS already uses this, the N64 did etc) and maybe even triple, but Sony's Cell CPU, with one main core and seven little SPE's is just overboard.
Exactly. To a non-coder it sounds like a walk in the park eh j3rry?. The x360 is, what, a triple core powerpc chip, and the PS3 is a less powerful chip, almost identical to one of the x360 cores, but with 7 SPE's (the S stands for stupid, not synergistic or whatever the fuck their marketroids named em)
These consoles are taking the idea of multithreading to the max, and both are taking very different approaches. Porting between the consoles was hard enough this gen (xbox getting good pc ports as it pretty much was a pc, the gcn being a ppc and the ps2 being made by sony, who can never make anything easy to develop for, and required alot of assembly code and hand vectorization to get a game working well on the already slower hardware) but now we've got not just different architectures to support, but completly and totally different programming models to support.
Twilight princess is set *after* windwaker, in the reformed Hyrule which you founded at the end of Wind Waker with Tetra as the new Zelda... oops don't read that if you haven't beat WW.
So, you're wish for a Zelda game having a grand conclusion, with the final end to the triforce struggle with might just be this game.
Right, that's why people regard Ocarina as one of the worst games of all time. "FPS" model for Zelda? What FPS are you talking about? First Person Shooter? Zelda was a platformer/adventure game, in third person. Frames Per Second? Wind Waker played pretty smooth for me. Or are you insinuating that Zelda should be first person ala metroid prime? If you are then let me be the first to punch you in the face.
He said that Zelda would reborn in some different way. Not back to 2D. MMORPG maybe? Hyrule Online, that would kick ass! I wanna be a Zora motherfucker, and have one of those bitchin' bone guitars!
Anyway, just because you're an old bastard that had to walk 15 miles to school everyday, through snow, uphill bothways, and doesn't like this new fangled "3D" thing, doesn't mean other people don't, and judging by the reviews for the past 3 3d zelda games (OoT, MM and WW) and the amount of hype over this new title, it looks like you're in a very small minority.
Miyamoto also revealed that Mario is getting a brand new sidekick, but kept firmly schtum on the details.
Now that Link is collecting welfare checks..
If you read the rest of the post, you'll understand the point I was making. While the xbox is theoretically superior to the gamecube by far, because of ill design the gamecube can produce graphics comparable to - and sometimes surpassing the xbox. Examples? Metroid Prime (1 & 2) and RE4. The one thing the xbox has going for it is better shader support. It's just easier to roll out games that use them than it is for the gamecube (where it requires more work) However, as you'll see by playing most any game, the gamecube kicks ass with things like particles (which is a more raw and implementation specific benchmark than shader support, but it speaks for how the gamecube can be more poweful than the xbox under certain conditions, equal in others and *slightly* less in the rest.
Bottom line: You're buying a console based on pretty graphics. Do you:
A) go for the system with bigger numbers, even though it can never utilize them -or-
B) Go with the system that can get better real world benchmarks, or in this case nearly equal, but for a lesser cost?
Of course you go with A), because you're a dumb AC that doesn't understand.
Nintendo doesn't sell their consoles at a lose. Whereas MS basically took a PC and put it in a smaller box (not by much either :P) and now with the 360, there are reports of serious bottlenecks in the hardware (bottlenecks are unavoidable in PC's to some extent, but in consoles, the less bottlenecks, the less money you're throwing away) Sony has never seemed to be able to build a very cost effective (and lets not even begin on well designed and easy to develop for) system, the only reason they now make money off their hardware is because of mass production.
Nintendo puts more research into their hardware development, so that things are more tightly designed. For example, the GCN costs them under 100$ to produce, somewhere between 50$ and 100$, yet its only a hair less powerful than the xbox, which MS is *still* selling for a loss, and yet the "number" specs of the GCN don't look anywhere near as good as the xbox. Why? Because the xbox's "specs" are more of theoretical specs, untainable because of bottlenecks. So, Nintendo can use cheaper parts, and get the same performance.
Because of this, Nintendo never sells at a lose. The only time they've done so is a few months with the GCN after a price drop, and it was somehwere around like 2$ a system, but mass manufacturing caught up quickly. Even the GCN now, selling for what it is, and the DS at 129$ makes them a profit.
I think the idea is to stop the companies that sell the refill kits.
Okay, I don't agree with the MPAA on this one, but you've got one hell of a bad comparison. If you try and make your care go faster or whatever, or want to paint racing stripes on it, it doesn't affect the car manufacturers in anyway. Modifying your Blu-ray player to play region locked discs or pirated discs however, has a (imaginary or real, not the point of this post) negative influence for the people selling movies. This isn't like adding a new motor to the disc drive to make the disc spin faster, its modding it to do something illegal.
Wait, you're making fun of the SA users hygiene and social skills, yet you're an Anonymous Coward on the slashdot message boards. I'm sorry, but you lose.
Case in point: Vista
Personally, theres nothing I like more than watching a loading screen inbetween 15 second bouts of play on my handheld device, while I try and calculate how much more battery life I have left. Commuters will swarm to it, just like they did in Japan, which also has a heck of alot of public transportation.