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UMD Sales Picking Up Steam

After what some deemed a slow start, Sony is now claiming that they've sold slightly more than 17 Million UMDs since the launch of the PSP. 9 Million of these discs have been games, with just over 8 Million UMD movies. From the article: "Current manufacturing lines are stretched to the max - Bob Hurley, with Sony DADC, says that Sony is churning out 200,000 UMDs a day and future capacity is expected to be 500,000 per day. 'Tiger Woods Golf is my personal favorite [game], but video has been surprisingly good to us,' says Hurley. In a few years Sony expect videos to be more than 60 percent of all UMD sales, with an expected 130 million UMDs being sold in 2008."

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  1. huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    You'd really think Valve would have an annoucement about this on their site somewhere...

    1. Re:huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? Valve? UMD's? What? Me no Habla the Jokie-o.

    2. Re:huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'UMD Sales Picking Up Steam' my friend - Steam.

    3. Re:huh? by Trizero · · Score: 1

      I guess it goes to show you that some more thoughts should go into headlines, or use lowercase letters for everything but proper names.

  2. Sales by territory? by metallicagoaltender · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd be curious to see the sales numbers broken out by territory, especially the movies. Are UMD movies selling well in America, or has Japan been helping those numbers?
     
    Considering no one I know has been the least bit interested in movies, despite enjoying the PSP, I'm honestly surprised with those figures...

    1. Re:Sales by territory? by MBraynard · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Little anti-PSP comment here, but bare with me -

      The reason so many vids have sold is that people who shelled out $$ need something to justify all that $$ they shelled out for something that has only retread games - so they buy a video.

      And yeah, I know what I have in my sig, but I already got the Xbox and Ipod free, so why not.

    2. Re:Sales by territory? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Care to find some grammar errors while you're at it?

    3. Re:Sales by territory? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Would you] care to find some grammar errors while you're at it?

  3. I guess there's simply no limit by BlackCobra43 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    to human stupidity.

    movies I can't play anywhere other than on my tiny PSP screen, for more than a DVD? SIGN ME UP!

    Seriously, I doubt UMDs will account for 60%, as the novelty of this format will soon wear off. (one can hope, anyway...)

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    1. Re:I guess there's simply no limit by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      ..and you can watch movies on the tiny screen by encoding them yourself as well so...

      wildly optimistic. or they're going to bring out some porno umd's.

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    2. Re:I guess there's simply no limit by L.+VeGas · · Score: 1

      Who is buying these? I think it has to be the novelty factor that's propelling sales.

      There is video everywhere now. In your car. In the bar. In your house. With a mouse. In all waiting rooms. In the classroom. There's even videos playing when I stand in line at the convenience store.

      Paying that kind of money for something that you will probably watch, at the most, a few times on a tiny screen is absolutely insane.

    3. Re:I guess there's simply no limit by HunterZ · · Score: 1

      wildly optimistic. or they're going to bring out some porno umd's.

      Actually I heard that they are, although I don't have a link.

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    4. Re:I guess there's simply no limit by supabeast! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      " Who is buying these? I think it has to be the novelty factor that's propelling sales."

      Parents looking to keep their kids quiet. Give the kid a new movie and let him wander off, watch it, and shut up.

    5. Re:I guess there's simply no limit by PeelBoy · · Score: 1

      Not if the parents have more than one kid. Have you tried watching movies on the PSP with more than 1 person? I have and it sucks. Also, try that in a car.. It sucks even worse (a serious pain in the neck).

      Screw that. What a waste of $250.

    6. Re:I guess there's simply no limit by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or they're reporting units shipped to retailers. Sony generally does that.

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    7. Re:I guess there's simply no limit by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2, Funny

      There's even videos playing when I stand in line at the convenience store.

      I know, you know what's weird though? I was once in a convenience store and the show that was playing was about someone, who looked a lot like me, shopping at a convenience store. Must have been from the 50s or 60s because it was black and white. It was quite the coincidence though.

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    8. Re:I guess there's simply no limit by Gogo0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      The PSP screen is too big and sexy to use it as a 'shut up kids' tool.

      Any parent who lets their kids even touch a PSP shouldnt own one or the other.

    9. Re:I guess there's simply no limit by swillden · · Score: 1

      and you can watch movies on the tiny screen by encoding them yourself as well

      Can you, really? My wife won a PSP from one of those McDonald's peel-off stickers... maybe we'll have a use for it after all. I'll have to figure out how to gin up a transcode scripts to convert the movies on my movie jukebox to the right format... that would be quite cool, actually, to be able to copy a selection of movies onto PSP memory sticks to take along on a trip.

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    10. Re:I guess there's simply no limit by ExKoopaTroopa · · Score: 1

      Nero Recode (latest release) can do all the work for you

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    11. Re:I guess there's simply no limit by HeadCrash · · Score: 1

      More than a DVD? You're shopping in the wrong place.

      The local Wal-Mart carries UMD movies for $14.95 to $21.95, with the majority being in the low end - prices comparable or even lower than the cost of the same DVD.

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    12. Re:I guess there's simply no limit by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      The PSP screen is no "sexier" than the LCD found in any other portable device, be it a PDA, a cellphone or a GBA.

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    13. Re:I guess there's simply no limit by swillden · · Score: 1

      Does it run on Linux? If not, I guess I have a couple of Solaris boxes around... And do I have to buy it?

      :-)

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  4. no surprize by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 5, Funny

    UMDs seem to majorly outnumber games. You can't buy what isn't there.

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    1. Re:no surprize by Mavric1337 · · Score: 1

      Why is this marked funny? It's insightful if anything, well more like obvious but still good.

  5. Now that's optimism for you... by Leadhyena · · Score: 1, Interesting
    In a few years Sony expect videos to be more than 60 percent of all UMD sales, with an expected 130 million UMDs being sold in 2008.
    They're tring to tell us how many UMDs will be sold three years from now?!? What about some predictions about 2006 and 2007? This smells like some pretty rank PR to me.
    1. Re:Now that's optimism for you... by Winterblink · · Score: 1

      As opposed to the non-rank PR? :)

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  6. Slightly off-topic, but still relevant by RogueyWon · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    The PSP had it's EU launch today. I work in central London and took a walk around at lunch-time today, popping into a good few shops selling it to see what take-up was like (not to buy one myself - I got a US import back in May).

    Simply put, it looks phenomenal. I know the initial sales in the US weren't quite what were expected, but at 1PM today, I couldn't find a single shop in the Victoria-area that still had stock to sell. I went into Dixons, HMV, Game and Virgin and all of them had sold out. I heard the guy in Game saying that they'd sold out of the non-preordered machines within about 10 minutes of the midnight opening. There were queues to the door in a few shops with people trying to find out where to get hold of them and staff phoning sister-stores to find out if anybody else had them in stock, with no apparent success.

    Europe has traditionally been a very Sony friendly territory, even when they do shaft us over release dates. I'll be interested to see our DS vs PSP sales figures come Christmas.

    1. Re:Slightly off-topic, but still relevant by duffbeer703 · · Score: 1

      The UK has more bus & train commuters, so I'd imagine it would be a better PSP market.

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    2. Re:Slightly off-topic, but still relevant by ivan256 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wonder if Sony figured out how bad it looked to have 150 unsold PSPs in the case at every walmart the day after release and only shipped enough to cause an artificial shortage...

      I wouldn't put it past them.

    3. Re:Slightly off-topic, but still relevant by RogueyWon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is very true. I've got a fairly substantial train commute myself. I've always seen a lot of Gameboys and GBAs (particularly the SP) on the train. However, a fortnight after the DS launch, all the DSes had vanished and the GBAs had come back. Having tried using my own DS on the train, I can see why; the stylus is an absolute pain in the arse to use in an environment that's rattling and shaking a lot. With the video-from-memory-stick capabilities, I'd expect to see the PSP being a huge hit with the (fairly affluent) commuter crowd. I've been using mine to watch movies, TV shows etc on the train for months now, with a lot of jealous glares.

    4. Re:Slightly off-topic, but still relevant by falcon5768 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sony historically undersupplys stores so that it doesnt look bad that PSPs are just sitting there. I know around here after the first week where you couldnt get it anywhere, the things just sat on the shelves unsold and remain so while the DS vastly outsells it thanks to the sheer amount of fun games in comparison to Sonys rehashes of older (and in most cases still sucky the second time around) games. The DS might not be as powerful as the PSP, but just like Sony is able to kick Nintendos ass with the PS2s library, the DS with its own library and its compatibility with the Advance has managed to kick Sonys ass the exact same way with the DS.

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    5. Re:Slightly off-topic, but still relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I know that WHSmith had 1000 PSP's, across the country, for launch. With 300 odd shops, thats not a lot.

    6. Re:Slightly off-topic, but still relevant by FLAGGR · · Score: 1

      Personally, theres nothing I like more than watching a loading screen inbetween 15 second bouts of play on my handheld device, while I try and calculate how much more battery life I have left. Commuters will swarm to it, just like they did in Japan, which also has a heck of alot of public transportation.

    7. Re:Slightly off-topic, but still relevant by RogueyWon · · Score: 2, Informative

      FUD...

      Seriously, why does slashdot tolerate so much FUD regarding the PSP? Is it seriously so threatening to have a decent competitor to Nintendo on the handheld market?

      My daily round-trip commute, until fairly recently, was just over 3 hours. When the trains were broken, which in this country is a pretty regular occurence, I could spend up to 5, even 6 hours a day on the train. Not once, in all this time, did I get so much as a low battery warning from my PSP, whether I'd been watching stuff from the memory stick, from a UMD movie disk, or playing a game. The *only* game I have in which loading times are even noticable to any significant extent is Untold Legends, which is an RPG and a fairly heavyweight undertaking for any handheld. Lumines, Wipeout, Ridge-Racer, Metal Gear Acid, Mercury and Death Jr. all have very, very quick loading times, with several minutes play at the very least between each load.

    8. Re:Slightly off-topic, but still relevant by LordVader717 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I live in Europe and passed by the main retailer in my area today and saw an intersting thing.

      Where up until yesterday there was a shelf full of plastic boxes representing preorder-PSPs, there were a line of GranTourismo-PStwo bundles, and above literally hundreds of UMDs.

      The only systems I saw were 4 boxes lodged between the PS2s and another huge pile of UMDs.

      I'll check out the situation again maybe tomorrow, but if Sony give main retailers, like maybe ten PSPs it's no wonder they're sold out.

    9. Re:Slightly off-topic, but still relevant by RogueyWon · · Score: 1

      From what I've seen, most "major" shops had about 30 PSPs... a lot of them had boards outside showing how many were left, with the numbers being crossed out as they sold. Smaller branches seem to have had about half this number.

      Interestingly, the Game in Victoria station has now ceased selling Gamecube titles (except for a few in the second-hand trays) as they needed the shelf-space for PSP titles. Will be interesting to see if that policy is here to stay and if it's extended to bigger branches (the outlet in Victoria is pretty small and not exactly space-rich).

    10. Re:Slightly off-topic, but still relevant by Kreeblah · · Score: 1

      Somehow I doubt a spinning optical disc will fare that well rattling and shaking either.

    11. Re:Slightly off-topic, but still relevant by skreeech · · Score: 1

      It's better than a CD but not perfect, although I haven't tried it traveling ever.

      The speaker playback volume of movies is very low(although I think you can increase this in a special menu) and headphones are needed which is probably a blessing for commuters.

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    12. Re:Slightly off-topic, but still relevant by KNicolson · · Score: 1
      Commuters will swarm to it, just like they did in Japan, which also has a heck of alot of public transportation.

      Well, here in Japan on my regular 1 hour commute on three different trains, I see almost no PSPs, or even DSs or GBs for that matter. I've seen one person watching video on it, and one using it as a music player, and just a handful of players. I see much, much more people (at least one per day) playing games on their mobiles. Of course, all this gaming is insignificant compared to the emailers, MD player listeners, and book and newspaper readers.

    13. Re:Slightly off-topic, but still relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5 or 6 hours on a train? Jesus even 3 hours is insane. I'm 25km away from work and my commute is 20 mins. Way to waste your life buddy. Perhaps you should live closer to work?

      Anyway fanboi, the load times are utterly ridiculous. "several mins between loads". Lol.

      The Gameboy has 100s of great games not 2 or 3. Get a flash cart and go crazy with fun.

      ps "It's been 16 minutes since you last successfully posted a comment" Fuck off /.

    14. Re:Slightly off-topic, but still relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Original poster here, now at work, so not logged in).

      Note how I said "until recently" my commute had been 3 hours a day. At the time, I was commuting from Cambridge to Westminster, with a door-to-door time of just under 100 minutes in each direction, barring delays. I'd always known that this wasn't sustainable in the long run and I've now got a flat in South East London. The door-to-door time is now about 45 minutes, of which about 25 are spent on train or tube (the rest walking). Quality of life issues have gone through the roof, even if the area I now live in does look like a warzone.

      I'm guessing from your post that you don't actually own a PSP. Even in Untold Legends, which I openly cite as the "worst" example (and which is probably, in overall terms "slightly annoying), I get at least 3 or 4 minutes play-time in each zone, interspersed with 30 second loads. Playing Lumines, which is my usual time-killer, there's an initial load-time of about 30 seconds, after which I can regularly play for 30 minutes before I lose and have to start again. If that's unacceptable, then I'm the Queen of Sweden. Most of the other games I have fall somewhere in between. Races in Ridge Racer and Wipeout tend to last about 5 or 6 minutes... again, maybe 30 seconds load between a race. At most. Probably less.

      The gameboy has hundreds of games. Can't play them on a DS, of course. The GBA has a good number, but the majority are pretty dull and lacking in content and the prices for them are ridiculous; I refuse to pay the same amount for a 5-minute-blaster GBA game as I do for a fully-featured PSP or PS2/X-Box/Cube game. The DS touch-screen is, as I have already pointed out, almost unusable on a crowded, bumping, rattling train, when crammed into a tiny seat. It's ok on planes, which, unless you're in an area of real turbulence, are a lot smoother than UK commuter trains. On a train, forget it.

      Then, of course, there's the small matter of movies. When I'm heading home in an evening and ready to drop, I often don't have the energy to play a game on the train. The PSP, however, lets me store movies (left encoding the night before) on a memory stick and watch these on the way home. The DS can't do this, in fact, the fanboys seem to take a real pleasure in the fact that it can't. For a commuter, there's only one serious option, and it's not the DS.

    15. Re:Slightly off-topic, but still relevant by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      I find it interesting that you made a relevant, yet arguably pro-Sony comment, and you got modded down. At the same time I made a relevant, yet arguably anti-Sony comment in response and got modded up to 5.

      I hope the fucking asshole nintendo fanboy that modded you down and me up comes back here and reads this to learn that the guy he modded up is a PSP owner and thinks the DS sucks, even though I made a negative comment about Sony. (Yes, I can admit to plusses and minuses in a device I paid a lot of money for instead of getting religious and defensive about how the hunk of plastic and silicon I own is the best thing available in order to defend my image as being the biggest dork around.)

      Oh, I hope he gets what's coming in meta-moderation too.

    16. Re:Slightly off-topic, but still relevant by Sri+Lumpa · · Score: 1


      I found Mario 64 DS playable with the thumbpad in a car but even if the touchscreen wasn't usable in a car/train I would still use my DS to play my GBA games as I prefer the screen (I think it's the same but backlit instead of frontlit). I just keep my SP around for GBC and GB games.

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  7. American pride by PenguinCandidate · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Gotta give to the American gaming public, they love slick marketing so much they went out and bought something they probably already had in their collections and then bought some $30 UMD movies to go on top of it. I'll just continue to watch my $17 DVDs on my wireless laptop and listen to my iPod and save myself the $250 until Sony stops porting year-old PS2 games to the PSP. I recently saw an article lambasting the gaming industry for lack of innovation... but I'm starting to think the blame for all this vanilla is being put in the wrong place.

  8. I personally think we should outlaw... by quintessent · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...these Umbrellas of Mass Destruction. They serve no additional purpose in a civilized society living under the constant shadow of nuclear annihilation.

  9. Already got porn, thank you very much by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

    wildly optimistic. or they're going to bring out some porno umd's.

    Already got those, arigatou gozaimasu.

  10. Is that including the bundled UMD? by JaseOne · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "9 Million of these discs have been games, with just over 8 Million UMD movies"

    How many of those were the bundled Spiderman 2?

    Now do those figures mean consumers ahve purchased 9 million or that retailers have purchased 9 million and they are just sitting on their shelves? Sales figures like that have always confused me as it is hard to see how they could quickly & easily track actual consumer sales.

    1. Re:Is that including the bundled UMD? by rtaylor · · Score: 1

      Sales figures like that have always confused me as it is hard to see how they could quickly & easily track actual consumer sales.

      I think all major retail stores have fairly tight integration between their customer sales and suppliers for next-day shipping services.

      Barcode is scanned on the way out and an order will be placed a few hours later if the computer determines the number of items on the shelf is low.

      Incidentally, this makes shoplifting fun. If the computer doesn't know the item is missing from the shelves, sometimes another one will not be ordered for weeks since the computer assumes nobody is interested in it.

      Purchasing all of a rarely sold product 2 or 3 days in a row can also be fun. The computer will quickly order hundreds of units to meet the sudden demand.

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    2. Re:Is that including the bundled UMD? by ZakuSage · · Score: 1

      How many of those were the bundled Spiderman 2?

      ...Uh, exactly 1 million.

  11. How many of them were Spiderman 2? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just curious :) Also are these shipped numbers or sold? I thought Sony only reported shipped numbers.

  12. The real question is.... by ZosX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Are these actual retail sales or simply product that Sony has sold to retailers. The number seems awfully high and it makes me wonder what percentage of the UMDs are sitting on store shelves right now versus how many have actually sold.

    The whole things smells of how to lie with statistics.

  13. Why buy them by PktLoss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I own a PSP, and have since around their NA launch, I've never even considered buying a UMD movie. Why pay the same price as a DVD (that plays on my PC, Laptop & Television, and can be encoded to fit on my memory stick for the PSP) for a lower quality disc I can only use on one device?.

    Now, if they sold DVD & UMD combo packs for like $3-$5CDN above the DVD only price, they might hook me in. But even then, the prices on portable DVD players are comming down so fast why bother? I've already got 100+ DVDs, buying one of those (while adding bulk to my tech bag) would make more sense.

  14. What else is there to do? by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 1, Troll

    Hell, if I had been fool enough to dish out $300 on a PSP I'd be happy about such stupid little things like a barely usable web browser and the ability to pay twice for movies and then get a limited format that is sub-par to almost everything out there... Yay!

    With the horrible shortage of anything decent to play on the PSP except decade old roms, UMD's are about the only way to feel like you got any value from your purchase and even then it is pretty damn questionable.

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  15. Double cross by Apreche · · Score: 3, Informative

    SONY comes out and markets the PSP as to compete with the DS. The DS basically won with Nintendogs and Advance Wars. With Mario Kart on the horizon hope is lost.

    But wait, what's this? By selling UMDs they switched markets! PSP vs. video iPod, stay tuned.

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    1. Re:Double cross by oGMo · · Score: 2, Interesting
      SONY comes out and markets the PSP as to compete with the DS.

      Not really. It's more like Sony announced a next-gen handheld, and Nintendo tried to counter with the DS. Sony specifically doesn't consider the DS a competitor: nor should they. The GBA, perhaps, but more as a "reigning handheld champion vs the next generation" rather than on features.

      The DS basically won with Nintendogs and Advance Wars.

      This is laughable, and insulting to Nintendo. They will forever dominate this generation based on an advanced tamagotchi and a strategy game that just came out? I should hope they have something better in their lineup. People buy these games for one reason: it's the only thing they can get.

      With Mario Kart on the horizon hope is lost.

      I find this amusing. The PSP has had similar stuff since launch, like Wipeout Pure and Twisted Metal (both excellent games).

      But wait, what's this? By selling UMDs they switched markets! PSP vs. video iPod, stay tuned.

      Actually, selling it as a device that also plays movies and music was a goal from the beginning.

      The NDS has some redeeming qualities and (hopefully) will have some system-sellers for it. Being a starry-eyed fanboy, however, just makes you, the DS, and Nintendo look silly. The PSP hasn't even seen its first Christmas yet; saying it has "lost" is laughable, especially with the numbers of people I saw playing it at PAX.

      If I were you, I'd be rooting for both consoles. Competition in the market has always done the market good: more games, better games, cheaper games.

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    2. Re:Double cross by bleaknik · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There a few things I'd like to point out.

      First, Nintendogs and Advance Wars are great games. Do not discard them because they aren't targetted to you. I don't understand it, but my niece and all of her friends want Nintendogs this year. And Advance Wars... My cousin has loved the series since inception. Just because the game isn't oGMo friendly, doesn't mean they're lousy games. People buy them because they want them.

      Comparing Twisted Metal and Wipeout to Mario Kart isn't even fair. I love all three, but Twisted Metal is not Mario Kart. They are very different experiences, and each is fulfilling in it's own way.

      I agree with you, though. The PSP has not seen it's first Christmas, and it's not yet "lost" the handheld war.

      However, the problem with your analysis is this: the PSP is not in direct competition with the Nintendo DS. The PSP is selling the "adult" games... the Twisted Metals, the Wipeouts, and the (coming soon) GTAs. The DS, however is focusing on something entirely different; it is trying to attract a new crowd of gamers... types like the girlfriends, the less "hardcore" gamers, or the extremely casual gamer.

      The PSP is instead more directly competing with the GBA, although you have a point that it's more "last gen vs. next gen" here. I guess we'll just have to wait and see... Nintendo claims the true succesor to the GBA line is still to come.

      /shrug.

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    3. Re:Double cross by oGMo · · Score: 1

      Do not discard them because they aren't targetted to you. I don't understand it, but my niece and all of her friends want Nintendogs this year. And Advance Wars... My cousin has loved the series since inception.

      I am not; but they are not big system sellers; certainly they are not opponent killers. I know a kid who regularly plays my GBA for hours on end, and has done so for a number of years, but has only ever played Advance Wars.

      Just because the game isn't oGMo friendly, doesn't mean they're lousy games. People buy them because they want them.

      Being a good game and being a AAA system-seller are two very different things. These are very likely good games. I buy "good games" all the time, even if I'm not a particular fan or don't really have the time to play a lot of them (GTA, Gran Turismo 4, etc.). I even collect good games I don't like, because they're good games, and someone might want to play them.

      Comparing Twisted Metal and Wipeout to Mario Kart isn't even fair. I love all three, but Twisted Metal is not Mario Kart. They are very different experiences, and each is fulfilling in it's own way.

      Twisted Metal provides the battle arena experience; Wipeout Pure provides the racing experience. Both do so with what is, IMO, far superiority to what Mario Kart provides. (Note, I have not played Double Dash, only the GBA, SNES, and N64 variants.) TM2 provides larger and more arenas, more weapons, and simply more fast-paced fun. Mario Kart Advance, for instance, provides 4 fairly small arenas; these get boring quickly. We will have to wait to see what DS provides. Wipeout Pure provides fast-paced "battle"-style racing with tons of arenas, tons of characters and ships to unlock, and new tracks for download. We already know the DS isn't capable of matching the visuals; we will have to wait and see if it's able to deliver comparable gameplay.

      I honestly hope it does; I enjoyed Super Mario Kart, but I think the series has only gone downhill from there. There should be far more tracks and lots of diverse battle arenas, especially today when you have all that storage available.

      However, the problem with your analysis is this: the PSP is not in direct competition with the Nintendo DS. The PSP is selling the "adult" games... the Twisted Metals, the Wipeouts, and the (coming soon) GTAs. The DS, however is focusing on something entirely different; it is trying to attract a new crowd of gamers... types like the girlfriends, the less "hardcore" gamers, or the extremely casual gamer.

      I think this is a rationalization. Nintendo hasn't been delivering in general, and they didn't deliver a viable competitor to the PSP. I don't really think Nintendo knows what it's doing. "Not just one screen... TWO! And one's a touchscreen!" This is nice. There have been some nifty things you can do with it. But it's a bit driftless.

      While the N64 was, overall, dismal, Nintendo managed to define 3D platforming and adventuring with Mario64 and Zelda64. They managed to define 16-bit gaming on the SNES, and 8-bit on the NES. They even defined what portable gaming has been for the past decade and a half. But they've also had some stinkers; they haven't managed to do anything new with the Cube or trend-setting with the DS, despite promising to do so with funky controllers and touch screens.

      The biggest problem is, they haven't delivered a lot of games. Where are the loads of Nintendo games I enjoyed when SNES was king? Nintendo! What are you doing?

      As for the DS trying to attract the "casual" gamer, don't count on it. It's not exactly the sort of thing people besides the hardcore gamer geek are going to be interested in. This doesn't mean it's bad. But it's not trying to pander to any casual market. The PSP is sleek and sexy, and something the casual

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    4. Re:Double cross by cornface · · Score: 1

      Nintendo has a single thing they need to overcome right now: Nintendo. They're not in a condition to compete with anyone until they decide to get it in gear and start doing what they're actually good at: making games.

      Nintendo makes plenty of games for their systems. The problem is that nobody else does.

    5. Re:Double cross by Grey+Ninja · · Score: 1
      However, the problem with your analysis is this: the PSP is not in direct competition with the Nintendo DS. The PSP is selling the "adult" games... the Twisted Metals, the Wipeouts, and the (coming soon) GTAs. The DS, however is focusing on something entirely different; it is trying to attract a new crowd of gamers... types like the girlfriends, the less "hardcore" gamers, or the extremely casual gamer.


      I agreed with a lot of what you said, but that statement there just cost you a lot of credibility with me. I just got back from PAX 05 not too long ago. Somehow I seriously doubt that there were many casual gamers there, or children. Yet DSs still outnumbered PSPs at least 10:1.
    6. Re:Double cross by Grey+Ninja · · Score: 1

      This is laughable, and insulting to Nintendo. They will forever dominate this generation based on an advanced tamagotchi and a strategy game that just came out? I should hope they have something better in their lineup. People buy these games for one reason: it's the only thing they can get.

      5 weeks in a row:

      Trace Memory
      Lost in Blue
      Castlevania
      Trauma Center
      Phoenix Wright

      Where on earth are you getting your information? DS also has Sonic Rush, Viewtiful Joe, Animal Crossing (online), Mario Kart (online) and Metroid Hunters (online) coming out.

      especially with the numbers of people I saw playing it at PAX.

      You must have gone to a different PAX than I did. The PAX I went to had about 1 PSP for every 10 DSs.

    7. Re:Double cross by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really. It's more like Sony announced a next-gen handheld, and Nintendo tried to counter with the DS. Sony specifically doesn't consider the DS a competitor: nor should they. The GBA, perhaps, but more as a "reigning handheld champion vs the next generation" rather than on features.

      Eh?

      Nintendo hasn't just tried to counter, they have succeeded in doing so. Check the sales numbers. NDS hardware and software sales are currently and consistently up and over the PSP in a major way in Japan, and only slightly less so in the U.S. Europe is still in a transitional phase since Sony just recently withdrew their cockblock position over there and released the damn thing.

      Sony's feigned disinterest in the NDS is just that. If you think Sony really didn't and doesn't take every little portable machine out there seriously, including GBA, NDS, the upcoming Micro, and even the freaking cell phones, GP32s, and N-Gages of the world in consideration, you are underestimating the business acumen of the good old boys at Sony. You don't even bother to qualify why you think Sony should be discounting the NDS as competition, particularly in the face of the fact that the NDS is outperforming the PSP in the PSP's main market (gaming, if anyone needed the reminder).

      This is laughable, and insulting to Nintendo. They will forever dominate this generation based on an advanced tamagotchi and a strategy game that just came out? I should hope they have something better in their lineup. People buy these games for one reason: it's the only thing they can get.

      Is the PSP side much better? Is the major sticking point of this article not that overall UMD sales are being boosted by movies, of all things, rather than games? The jab at Nintendogs is your opinion, but it has moved NDS systems like crazy in Japan, and there are waaaay too many people that I wouldn't have otherwise suspected to be interested in Nintendogs who actually ARE.

      Yes, the GP was incorrect to claim any everlasting victories based on these pieces of software, but you are more wrong to think that their existence is not indicative of a well thought-out plan back in Kyoto. They are indicators of a positive trend from the people that have been running the show in this market for the past twenty-odd years.

      And don't you worry about forthcoming NDS games. Ignoring the guaranteed stream of Nintendo exclusives that you have and haven't heard about, with a slew of JRPGs, Castlevania, Resident Evil, Tenchu, V-Joe, Burnout, Bust-a-Move, another Feel the Magic (great road game), freaking KATADAMA, Top Spin, and courtroom and surgery and a nonstop stream of other quirky games, I don't think I'll be stuck playing the same ten NDS games over and over. Hell, I already have 14 games for my DS all in regular rotation and [all minus one] in my backpack at all times, in a case I previously used for memory cards. That's more games than I had for my GBA in the same amount of time since launch.

      I find this amusing. The PSP has had similar stuff since launch, like Wipeout Pure and Twisted Metal (both excellent games).

      Wipeout is a good futuracer series. It's like F-Zero with weapons, less speed, less interesting track designs, and a history of good music. I like it at least a little better than the XG series. But it, and Twisted Metal, are in no way comparable to Mario Kart. Mario Kart is a landmark - there are gamers who mark periods of their lives by which version was current at the time. When people hear that a new one is coming out, they break out the previous version for a good go with friends in preparation for the new one (at least, that's what my friends and I have been doing since the SNES days).

      Actually, selling it as a device that also plays movies and music was a goal from the beginning.

      Yes, this is the trojan horse aspect of "converged" de

    8. Re:Double cross by bleaknik · · Score: 1

      I consider myself a relatively "hardcore" gamer, yet I still prefer the DS to the PSP. The DS has some amazing games that seem to cater to me, as well as the ones designed to attract new crowds.

      Nintendogs, though, sparks little interest on my part, and I doubt other people in my demographic will be too interested either.

      For the record, I fit the stereotypical /. bill... age 18-35 male with a relatively large tech budget and the "knack".

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    9. Re:Double cross by Grey+Ninja · · Score: 1

      I fit the demographic as well. I had little to no interest in Nintendogs, and was all stoked for Advance Wars. Yet somehow... after playing my girlfriend's copy, I went out and bought my own copy. As I was playing her game, I realized that I could make the dog do anything I bloody well wanted. That really appealed to me.

      I now have a pinscher that answers to the name "Pothead", and performs suitable actions upon hearing the commands "pass the bong", "chug chug chug, or (my favorite) "want some dope?".

      I was playing the game at PAX when someone came across me talking to my DS, yelling furiously at my dog to "pass the goddamned bong!". I got my money's worth when I passed the DS to the stranger, and watched him try to get my dog to pass the bong.

  16. video iPod vs. PSP = clear winner (possibly) by Deitheres · · Score: 1

    The only exception I see is that a video iPod would (most likely) have an integrated AV port, such as that which was in certain iBook models.

    Hell, they already sell a cable for it. It would allow you to connect to any external video/audio source to play the content. Not to mention that, if you purchased video clips or movies through the iTunes store, you would most likely be able to play the content on the computer as well (iTunes already has video playing capabilities).

    I think that if Apple does a video iPod, and does it right, they would blow the PSP out of the water. Jobs has said they'll never make one, which I find highly unlikely since it seems that the market will eventually demand it. I just hope that, once they make one, they won't screw it up.

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  17. So when does the function of this device change? by savagexp · · Score: 1

    I'm fairly certain there are currently more compelling UMD movies available for the PSP than there are games. Now we hear that the sales are nearly split. I find it humorous that the PSP is not being used in it's primary function. Does that make it a failure?

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  18. wow... (AKA "Can you tell I don't own an iPod?") by Deitheres · · Score: 1

    OK, apparently the iPod photos already have this capability, and their own cable. I was not even aware of that.

    Obviously then, the iPod video would have a clear advantage straight out of the gate.

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  19. UMDs stink, people buy them. by MBCook · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I've been thinking about this. The idea of buying UMD movies seems stupid to me as it does to nearly every slashdotter. So why do people buy them? I think we are all missing one key point.

    Who are we? I'm 22, most of us are adults. We often have laptops, or portable DVD players to watch movies on. We buy our own things.

    Who is buying the PSP movies? I think the answer is obvious: not us. So who is doing it? Moms! There are lots of kids out there with PSPs (despite Sony targeting it as the Adult handheld). Buying UMD movies makes some sense. You can get something that you kid will watch in the car on the way to/from school, sitting at the doctor's office, etc. It runs on something they already have so you don't have to buy (and they don't have to carry around) a portable DVD player. Most cars don't have DVD players. And most kids don't have laptops to play DVDs on. For a kid, it does make some sense.

    I think this is where all the movie sales are going. I don't think I've ever seen an adult interested in them, but I've seen many kids at stores looking at those movies. I can see why they'd want it (I would have when I was 10 if I liked more movies they sold).

    I'd like to see the sales broken down by age range of the person the movie was bought for. THAT would be the interesting information (although sales by territory as another commenter suggested would be interesting too).

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  20. PSP not a gaming device? by nmaster64 · · Score: 1
    Doesn't anyone else see a broken business model here?

    When almost 50% of software sales for a GAME system are MOVIES, isn't something wrong?

    People always talk about the Nintendo DS as a gimmick handheld. But I'm starting to think the PSP is actually the gimmick here. Be honest, would you even think about buying a $250 PSP if all it did was play movies that cost just as much or sometimes more than DVDs on a screen the fraction of the size of a TV? Basically, the idea that it's actually a "gaming" device is a gimmick, at least with it's current library of games.

    I still feel money is better spent on devices directed precisely for a single purpose. If you want movies, get a portable DVD player. If you want music, get an Ipod Mini. If you want gaming, get a Nintendo DS. All these things are each cheaper than a PSP, and while the PSP combines all these things, it sacrifices a high level of quality in each area. A portable DVD player has a much larger and better screen, as well as a larger movie library, an Ipod Mini has astronomically more space for music, and the DS has, albeit arguably, much better games at the present.

    Combine these figures with the Ken Kutaragi's comment that the PS3 "is not a game machine," and the idea that Sony is using gaming as a trojan horse for it's other businesses seems more and more feasible.

    1. Re:PSP not a gaming device? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "and while the PSP combines all these things, it sacrifices a high level of quality in each area"

      And when I travel, I have to carry a portable DVD player + DVDs, an iPod, and a DS? Nah, I'll stick with just one device which does all of those things perfectly IMO... and save a bundle not having to waste money on buying three seperate devices. You're logic is interesting.

    2. Re:PSP not a gaming device? by nmaster64 · · Score: 1
      "...does all of those things perfectly..."

      You're logic is even more interesting.

      A small screen for movies, almost no memory for music, and an extreme lack of quality games. That's "Perfect"? Right...

      And I carry my laptop, iPod, and DS everywhere I go, and each of those devices do each of it things "perfectly", IMO. The iPod and DS fit in your pocket fairly easy. As for the portable DVD player or laptop, well if your going to be sitting somewhere for hours watching a movie, bringing something like that shouldn't be to much of a problem. If it is, then your probably not in a good situation to sit through a whole movie.

      THATS my logic...

      Oh, and as for money? My DS and iPod are still cheaper than a PSP when you think about it.

      PSP - $250 / 1GB Mem Stick - $80 / Games - $45/per
      4GB iPod Mini + DS - $330 / Games - $30/per

      In the long run, I'm gonna save money, and I'm getting more music space and better games.

      As for the DVDs on the go, I pretty much assume anyone over 18 has a laptop. Plus, I never really understood WHY you'd wanna watch a movie when you travel, with the exception of maybe a long plane flight.

  21. Jeez by Luveno · · Score: 1
    I can't believe the unquestioned love that Nintendo (and Apple) get here on /.

    Having bought both a DS and a PSP on their respective launch dates (making me a "fanboy" of both), as well as being a mass-transit commuter, I will say that the PSP gets considerably more time than the DS.

    Quite frankly, the DS launch library sucked. There was Mario 64 and that was about it. Maybe Feel The Magic. Now, with Meteos out as well as Advance Wars, the library has picked up. But until very recently, it started to feel like a dumb purchase.

    However, the PSP launched with a pretty good library. Ports or new versions of good PS2 games like Ridge Racer, Twisted Metal Black, and Wipeout were pretty impressive. Most notable was Lumines, which just simply blew me away. After the first hour with it, I was confident that the DS was screwed - the PSP was just that impressive with the screen, the CD quality soundtracks, etc. After the honeymoon was over, I still play the heck out of it.

    The PSP did have quite a few problems, to me most notably the quality of the screen. I went through FOUR PSPs before I found one that was acceptable - all four had multiple dead pixels and/or unusually uneven backlighting which just drove me nuts. The movie playing feature was pretty useless unless you shelled out for an overly expensive Memory Stick Duo.

    That said, once you find a non-defective unit and you drop enough cash into it, the PSP does really outshine the DS. With a 1GB stick in it, I can have a two full-length movies on it, MP3s, and even photos of my kids. Most importantly, since I have a 1.50 version, I have emulators & the naughty iso launcher. And I still have Lumines ready to go. Even the battery life isn't an issue like I feared it would be - I charge it on the same schedule as my cell phone, and I've never come close to running out of juice.

    Now, I'll be pretty pissed if my firmware gets updated, but I'll still have the other features. I'm sure when a must-have DS game comes out, I'll spend time with that, but the PSP just has so much more to offer. Really, the DS and PSP don't even really seem like competitors - they are almost focused in entirely different directions.

    1. Re:Jeez by nmaster64 · · Score: 1

      See, that's perfectly fine for you, and you should be pretty happy now with a totally tricked-out PSP and with the awesome library of games the DS is finally getting, that's great. But you also have to understand that 90% of people don't have that kind of money to spend. You probably spent AT LEAST $350 on the whole PSP thing. That, on top of a DS, plus games and all, comes out to over $600. A lot of people just can't spend that kind of money on games, and you have to be aware of that. For me, I've totally spent my savings out on games. My DS plus 6 games equals about $350. That's hardly more than a PSP and a 1GB memory stick. So you could understand how someone on a tight budget would get little use out of a PSP.

    2. Re:Jeez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me get this straight. The PSP has 2 maybe 3 good games it that somehow makes it the superior choice because the DS has 3 good games?

      You (and you're not alone) went through 4 PSP to find one not defective OUT OF THE BOX. Geez, I wonder how long your working unit will survive. Probably the same as the PS1 and PS2 units. Sony quality sucks ass.

      You spend $100s and hours converting movies and you have a *gasp* shitty emulator. Just get a SP with a flash cart and have access to over 1200 Gameboy games and be done with it.

      ps "It's been 18 minutes since you last successfully posted a comment" Fuck off /.

    3. Re:Jeez by yanos · · Score: 1


      That said, once you find a non-defective unit and you drop enough cash into it, the PSP does really outshine the DS.

      You just underline the problem I have with the PSP. I bought a DS for 200 CND$, with a game and all taxes include. All games cost about 10$ less and the battery last a good 10-12 hours. I can close the lid in a hurry, the game will pause itself and the unit will fall into a low power mode, while protecting my screens at the same time. That's what I call a HANDHELD device.

      The PSP, while having better graphics, cost a hell lot more if you really want to do all the things you describe.

      With a 1GB stick in it, I can have a two full-length movies on it, MP3s, and even photos of my kids

      A 1GB memory stick from sony cost around 150 USD$. Add to that price a good 250$ for the actual PSP and yet another 50$ for a game and you have a freaking expensive gaming machine. How much money do you really have to put into it before you began to have fun?

    4. Re:Jeez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet he's one of the people complaining about paying $400 for an xbox 360.

    5. Re:Jeez by Luveno · · Score: 1
      I didn't really make any bones about it - it is more expensive. But in the end, for me it is a superior device.

      If bang-for-buck was the aim, then I would recommend the GBA-SP. That thing simply rocks (mine's been relagated to my 6-year-old).

  22. UMD will fail just like MD (MiniDisc)... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...unless Sony releases UMD burner/rom-drives that supports any data for computers. It's clear that Sony is making the same misstake again. Why not let other manufactures make/sell UMD-ROM drives and UMD-Burners by letting them pay a royalty to Sony?, I'd buy a drive or two =P