Everything is carcinogenic, yes, I remember the whole artificial sweeter craze. Drink 200 Diet Coke's and you will get bladder cancer. Still, increased usage to combat increased resistance of a chemical that "Probably" is carcinogenic and definitely kills plants just strikes me as a bad course of action. I read the Monsanto bit about it, it's on their site, a wonderful piece of propaganda.
GMO's are not a specific problem. From Coffee Rust to the Chinese brown stink bug, billions of dollars are spent combating invasive species. Probably more than that, Fire Ants are not easy to get rid of. The fruit industry on the US East coast is really under pressure to control those nasty little invasive bugs. The problem with GMO's specifically is that they are engineered and not naturally occurring. Many could not be naturally occurring, and once out in the wild despite whatever controls are used to stop them, no one knows exactly what they will do. Added to that is the secrecy surrounding them, and the battle to not tell anyone if they are being used or not. (The battle to label GMO foods is lost, even if it is won as so few people have the money to actually buy 100% organic. Even with a decent income it is a matter of pick and choose.)
Your point about Pollen almost works, I can see how one might argue about mutation from power lines, Eddie Murphy movies aside, there is a somewhat legitimate body of evidence that living/working under high voltage power lines can lead to cancer. The difference is that any mutation in that crop was not specifically engineered by scientists who inserted a specific gene from a different plant/animal into it. Legally, the question has already been answered, it is no ones fault. Although, this is a fun read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....
As for fewer vs. different, we really have to look at what is used as you say. I've seen different methods, such as growing different items that have different properties coupled with the use of hormone traps all the way to methods that are virtually indistinguishable from conventional GMO farming.
That was 25 or 26 years ago, most of what I remember was sitting in an ER with a doctor, could have been intern, asking what I had been doing. When my grandmother said we just went swimming and then home, he asked where, and I was admitted. Central FL, near Astor, in either 90 or 91.
The issue in the news article is not that Monsanto suspected they had done it, it is the fact that a State has granted a corporation broad legal powers typically reserved to the state. Second, those powers appear to violate the fourth amendment rights regarding search and seizure. Secondary is that varied and vague threats may/may not have been made that using a specific "Seed Sorter" may be bad for ones business put someone else out of work. Given the size and budget most independent/small American farms have, any threat of legal action has to be viewed as significant because it could put them out of business. Monsanto is abusing that. Dupont and Synegra I think are the other two.
A different issue is that those three companies own over half of all seed stock in use. That is not something I like to hear when it comes to the world food supply.
I think GMO has an important role to play, I just don't believe it has been managed well. Things like rice with beta carotene are good, improving yield and shelf life while increasing nutrition are not bad things, especially when managed through cross breeding and traditional methods. It just needs to be managed with eye to the benefit over the profit. I'm still not buying Salmon though.
To respond.
Glyphosate and Weeds"
It is not so much the resistant weed as the over spraying of a chemical that very likely is a carcinogen. You spray a field, it kills most of the weeds, but not all. Eventually you get a weed that does not die, so you spray more. Does it cause cancer? Even Monsanto is saying that "Probably does not mean yes" which sounds a lot like "Invest in Chemo now and save later".
Escaped plants.
Well, the history of escaped hybrids, mutants, and in these cases invasive species can be looked at broadly as devastating to local ecology. Look at what Coffee Rust has done in places it did not previously exist. What is happening to Bananas? Fire Ants, killer bees, Australia and Pigs/Rabbits/People. Pythons in the Everglades. An invasive species enters an ecosystem and out competes the local plants/wildlife and takes over.
Organic.
Organic is not a religion, not even a life style choice, it is a business. A growing business. I prefer organic for one simple reason, fewer things are fed to the animals or sprayed on the crops. Note "Fewer". There are strict controls on the what is and is not allowed and in some countries that can be enforced. Back in the early 90's I became extremely ill after swimming in a pesticide polluted lake in FL near some orange farms, it was later shut down to toxicity. That stuff that made me ill, was sprayed on my food.
But on the business end you have someone who went through the cost and effort to get certified, and suddenly his/her field is contaminated by supposedly sterile GMO crops, orders can not be filled, contracts are missed, and insurance may or may not cover it.
Here is an example of the requirements for Organic milk, note #2 and #3. Now, if you have a child, and are old enough to remember us feeding cows...well other cows... doesn't that maybe strike a cord? Or how about being in a hospital within the last couple years. Antibiotic resistant bacteria, (look up cdiff)
- At least 30 percent of the food they eat must be grazed at pasture during a grazing season of at least 120 days;
- No antibiotics or growth hormones may be used;
- All feed must be organic, and
- No meat or poultry by-products can be in the feed.
As for the legal actions, I've not kept up, but this was the kind of harassment I remember. A bit dated, but I have no doubt still happening.
www.cbsnews.com/news/agricultural-giant-battles-small-farmers/
I have been happy with my circa 2012 FX-8350 for a while now. Was planning to skip it as my Phenom II X6 was still very viable, but the A10-5700 changed my mind.
With 16GB of DDR3-1866 and a 480GB Mushkin SSD it is as fast as any other machine I've used for 99% of what I do. An i7 might give me a boost in ripping video, and I'm certain that should I upgrade my Nvidia 770 the CPU will be the bottleneck, I can still max out most games.
I will let you do the google, but Round Up and similar crops have led to a massive increase in resistant weeds and insects. While we engineered the crops to resist these fun chemicals, we forgot the lessons Anti-biotics have been teaching us and now are over spraying on an unprecedented scale. So, while the GM crops themselves may not be harmful, there are serious concerns about large scale glyphosate exposure and insecticide exposure.
Additionally, we have found GM crops growing in the wild that should not be there. Why are they there, how did they get there, what effect will they have on the eco system? Then you also have to deal with the fact that the discovery of these can lead to farmers losing their Organic certification. Oh, and Monsanto, that saint of a company, has sued farmers.
Job loss, tainted food, environmental damage, homelessness, starvation, disease related to pollution, a lot fun stuff that comes with corporate governance.
On the bright side, after the collapse, you might find work as a Bounty Hunter for the Council.
This is a cross party thing. Oddly it is more in line with Republican/Big Money politics than Democrat. I know in a lot of ways the President was a Trojan horse, but I never expected a full sell out. Some things like the NSA and Guantanamo I knew would not change, still given the alternatives, you work with what you have.
Actually, I wrote and called mine. Both voted to fast track the blasted thing. Now, I've moved to a new state and my new Senators and Rep are fully bought and paid for unlike my previous who had only been partially bought.
I've lived all over the Eastern seaboard, and as far west as Colorado. Additionally I've spent a great deal of time in CA (High Desert), far Upstate NY, and central FL. Overseas I lived in Bavaria (near Munich) back in the 80's, but I was still in school then. Of all the moves this was probably the most disruptive.
Now, I grant most of what you said is true, a lot follows us from place to place. Credit, bills, anything associated with the Federal Government, and anything at all associated with a County trying to tax bill. On the other hand, our health insurance changed because that is licensed state by state. Drivers licenses had to be changed, re-register to vote, and the cars had to be re-titled and registered with new state highway use and county personal property taxes paid (around $400 total per vehicle). State taxes will have be filed with both states this year, no real change on federal, but the move is deductible.
The big shock is the rural culture and the poverty. Parts of this town look 3rd world, and honestly the parts of Belize and Panama I've been to looked better off, although the populace here is probably better armed.
But yes, had I moved to say Charlotte, Raleigh, or even Ashville in this state it would have been far less of a cultural shift.
I recently had the misfortune (Job offer) to move from suburban DC to South Eastern NC. I may as well have moved to a foreign country. Sure the language is similar and the currency is the same. Otherwise the culture is completely foreign. It does not stop at culture either, although that does appear to play a part in many of the differences. Many things I took for granted are simply no longer available, more expensive, or simply not possible. That was a move of only 315mi. Now if I kept going south, say to FL, I know several locations there that are actually closer to Northern VA then here.
Exactly! I just went through that blasted classification training. If a is not classified and b is not classified than a document comprised of a+b is not classified, except in cases when it is. The rules are a mess, every single thing requires checking a fact sheet to see if something suddenly changed status.
I could care less about Hillary, she had a private server, shouldn't have. But as for the emails, and the millions we have spent wasting our time, it is stupid. We have a Ruplican shouting classified information from the window of the clown car.
Ever been to Appalachia? Southern VA, WV, TN, KY, or had the misfortune to visit the deep South? We have rampant poverty, dirt floors, lack of education, no electricity, or even indoor plumbing here in the US. To make it worse, these unfortunate people continue to fall deeper into poverty and have no hope to escape it as these areas are largely ignored by the rest of the country. At best we think of them in a fashion similar to the Beverly Hillbillies.
The fun part is that they have become more and more militant, they are well armed, and deeply religious. So, to paraphrase, they have no jobs, no money, no hope to better their lot, limited education, an unshakable belief in an afterlife far better then how they live now, and they are well armed.
The Fed is how the Federal Government is frequently referred to in areas such as Northern Virginia and Southern MD that border DC. As a native of that area, I've found myself using the same shorthand name on several occasions.
I think if they had focused on content and features it might have worked. Take the core features, and build on them. Dump the search as that will never be a primary focus, and it might have worked out.
Yahoo has a lot of traffic, and a lot of users still out there. I know a few who read the news, and use yahoo finance. I can't stand it, the way they mix the ads in with the headlines drives me up a wall.
I would love to see them find their way though.
I wonder how that yahoo deal is working out for Firefox though.
Not sure you've been to the same Alaska I was in. It wasn't igloos, it was an impoverished dirt village that didn't even have reliable running water. They didn't hunt whales there, but they also didn't a Walmart or other grocery store within 100mi. What food did come in from outside was priced out of reach for most people. Try $14 for a 12pack of Pepsi, if Pepsi was in stock, if it wasn't winter because it would explode in the can.
I am not sure about a lot of folks, but I view the entire hunt as problematic. If we have multiple fleets hunting, using modern methods we are only a few weeks from putting entire species back on the list.
Pollution, ocean acidification, over fishing and depletion of prey, and changing weather patterns/currents, along with multiple other stress factors look to harm the recovery in the long run.
This one really scares me when it comes to whales recovering.
http://news.nationalgeographic...
For now, we really just need to leave them alone and try to clean up our mess.
So, to recap your argument, we have an industrialized nation with a modern whaling fleet that wants to use what amounts to a ship to ship missile to catch and harvest an endangered species complaining about the rights granted to an aboriginal tribe that uses a row boat to catch one of the few food sources available.
As for the Pacific North West tribes, their hunt was actually blocked until some guy simply went out and shot a whale.
The Faroese hunt is barbaric and needs to be stopped, as does the Canadian seal clubbing and the Japanese dolphin massacre.
As for pork, there are multiple groups working on that very problem. There are also new humane certifications that one can look for. I simply stopped buying much meat at all. Any kind of Factory Farming is problematic, egg and milk production are not much better, there at least it is easier to source humane products if you have the money.
What they do, and I can this from first hand knowledge, is make it impossible to use. I had Verizon FIOS for years in Northern VA. I had a Cable Card plugged into an HD Homerun Prime and connected to my MythTV backend. It worked perfectly, no on demand, no pay per view, but who cares.
I move to North Carolina and am forced to get Time Warner, every single channel they can legally flag, is flagged copy once. I have a choice now of Windows Media Center or nothing. Ok, I make the switch, now I have picture quality issues, tuner issues, and compression issues. I call in and they simply blame my hardware.
I went OTA and fixed the problem.
Heard this in the 80's about the Auto industry, then in the 90's about call centers, and now about programming and help desk. The truth is, we aren't talking about low paying jobs, or unskilled labor. Management fails to understand or even attempt to understand the value added by some departments. Accounting, IT, Customer Service, and anything not directly revenue generating. In many cases, such as Disney and Edison the jobs are now filled by H1B holders. Toys R Us is already going down the tubes and as far as I'm concerned the news about what they did only hastened it slightly.
The last company I worked at tried this and it ended in disaster, you hire the high value/educated people for a reason. They are trained and able to adapt, they are not simply taught to click here, click here, and initial there when done. We ended up with a huge mess, some low level exec was made a scapegoat even though everyone knew it came from the COO's office, and we had to hire and train a bunch of people which was not easy as everyone who knew the job had been let go and moved on. Accountants cost money for a reason. It pays to hire local because they tend to know the laws applicable to locality.
Did basic training at Ft. Benning in GA from July to November in '94, the AC was set to something like 80F in the barracks. When we finally got to go back to them after dinner it was like visiting the Arctic.
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Everything is carcinogenic, yes, I remember the whole artificial sweeter craze. Drink 200 Diet Coke's and you will get bladder cancer. Still, increased usage to combat increased resistance of a chemical that "Probably" is carcinogenic and definitely kills plants just strikes me as a bad course of action. I read the Monsanto bit about it, it's on their site, a wonderful piece of propaganda. GMO's are not a specific problem. From Coffee Rust to the Chinese brown stink bug, billions of dollars are spent combating invasive species. Probably more than that, Fire Ants are not easy to get rid of. The fruit industry on the US East coast is really under pressure to control those nasty little invasive bugs. The problem with GMO's specifically is that they are engineered and not naturally occurring. Many could not be naturally occurring, and once out in the wild despite whatever controls are used to stop them, no one knows exactly what they will do. Added to that is the secrecy surrounding them, and the battle to not tell anyone if they are being used or not. (The battle to label GMO foods is lost, even if it is won as so few people have the money to actually buy 100% organic. Even with a decent income it is a matter of pick and choose.) Your point about Pollen almost works, I can see how one might argue about mutation from power lines, Eddie Murphy movies aside, there is a somewhat legitimate body of evidence that living/working under high voltage power lines can lead to cancer. The difference is that any mutation in that crop was not specifically engineered by scientists who inserted a specific gene from a different plant/animal into it. Legally, the question has already been answered, it is no ones fault. Although, this is a fun read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.... As for fewer vs. different, we really have to look at what is used as you say. I've seen different methods, such as growing different items that have different properties coupled with the use of hormone traps all the way to methods that are virtually indistinguishable from conventional GMO farming. That was 25 or 26 years ago, most of what I remember was sitting in an ER with a doctor, could have been intern, asking what I had been doing. When my grandmother said we just went swimming and then home, he asked where, and I was admitted. Central FL, near Astor, in either 90 or 91. The issue in the news article is not that Monsanto suspected they had done it, it is the fact that a State has granted a corporation broad legal powers typically reserved to the state. Second, those powers appear to violate the fourth amendment rights regarding search and seizure. Secondary is that varied and vague threats may/may not have been made that using a specific "Seed Sorter" may be bad for ones business put someone else out of work. Given the size and budget most independent/small American farms have, any threat of legal action has to be viewed as significant because it could put them out of business. Monsanto is abusing that. Dupont and Synegra I think are the other two. A different issue is that those three companies own over half of all seed stock in use. That is not something I like to hear when it comes to the world food supply. I think GMO has an important role to play, I just don't believe it has been managed well. Things like rice with beta carotene are good, improving yield and shelf life while increasing nutrition are not bad things, especially when managed through cross breeding and traditional methods. It just needs to be managed with eye to the benefit over the profit. I'm still not buying Salmon though.
To respond. Glyphosate and Weeds" It is not so much the resistant weed as the over spraying of a chemical that very likely is a carcinogen. You spray a field, it kills most of the weeds, but not all. Eventually you get a weed that does not die, so you spray more. Does it cause cancer? Even Monsanto is saying that "Probably does not mean yes" which sounds a lot like "Invest in Chemo now and save later". Escaped plants. Well, the history of escaped hybrids, mutants, and in these cases invasive species can be looked at broadly as devastating to local ecology. Look at what Coffee Rust has done in places it did not previously exist. What is happening to Bananas? Fire Ants, killer bees, Australia and Pigs/Rabbits/People. Pythons in the Everglades. An invasive species enters an ecosystem and out competes the local plants/wildlife and takes over. Organic. Organic is not a religion, not even a life style choice, it is a business. A growing business. I prefer organic for one simple reason, fewer things are fed to the animals or sprayed on the crops. Note "Fewer". There are strict controls on the what is and is not allowed and in some countries that can be enforced. Back in the early 90's I became extremely ill after swimming in a pesticide polluted lake in FL near some orange farms, it was later shut down to toxicity. That stuff that made me ill, was sprayed on my food. But on the business end you have someone who went through the cost and effort to get certified, and suddenly his/her field is contaminated by supposedly sterile GMO crops, orders can not be filled, contracts are missed, and insurance may or may not cover it. Here is an example of the requirements for Organic milk, note #2 and #3. Now, if you have a child, and are old enough to remember us feeding cows...well other cows... doesn't that maybe strike a cord? Or how about being in a hospital within the last couple years. Antibiotic resistant bacteria, (look up cdiff) - At least 30 percent of the food they eat must be grazed at pasture during a grazing season of at least 120 days; - No antibiotics or growth hormones may be used; - All feed must be organic, and - No meat or poultry by-products can be in the feed. As for the legal actions, I've not kept up, but this was the kind of harassment I remember. A bit dated, but I have no doubt still happening. www.cbsnews.com/news/agricultural-giant-battles-small-farmers/
I have been happy with my circa 2012 FX-8350 for a while now. Was planning to skip it as my Phenom II X6 was still very viable, but the A10-5700 changed my mind. With 16GB of DDR3-1866 and a 480GB Mushkin SSD it is as fast as any other machine I've used for 99% of what I do. An i7 might give me a boost in ripping video, and I'm certain that should I upgrade my Nvidia 770 the CPU will be the bottleneck, I can still max out most games.
I will let you do the google, but Round Up and similar crops have led to a massive increase in resistant weeds and insects. While we engineered the crops to resist these fun chemicals, we forgot the lessons Anti-biotics have been teaching us and now are over spraying on an unprecedented scale. So, while the GM crops themselves may not be harmful, there are serious concerns about large scale glyphosate exposure and insecticide exposure. Additionally, we have found GM crops growing in the wild that should not be there. Why are they there, how did they get there, what effect will they have on the eco system? Then you also have to deal with the fact that the discovery of these can lead to farmers losing their Organic certification. Oh, and Monsanto, that saint of a company, has sued farmers.
Job loss, tainted food, environmental damage, homelessness, starvation, disease related to pollution, a lot fun stuff that comes with corporate governance. On the bright side, after the collapse, you might find work as a Bounty Hunter for the Council.
This is a cross party thing. Oddly it is more in line with Republican/Big Money politics than Democrat. I know in a lot of ways the President was a Trojan horse, but I never expected a full sell out. Some things like the NSA and Guantanamo I knew would not change, still given the alternatives, you work with what you have.
Actually, I wrote and called mine. Both voted to fast track the blasted thing. Now, I've moved to a new state and my new Senators and Rep are fully bought and paid for unlike my previous who had only been partially bought.
I've lived all over the Eastern seaboard, and as far west as Colorado. Additionally I've spent a great deal of time in CA (High Desert), far Upstate NY, and central FL. Overseas I lived in Bavaria (near Munich) back in the 80's, but I was still in school then. Of all the moves this was probably the most disruptive. Now, I grant most of what you said is true, a lot follows us from place to place. Credit, bills, anything associated with the Federal Government, and anything at all associated with a County trying to tax bill. On the other hand, our health insurance changed because that is licensed state by state. Drivers licenses had to be changed, re-register to vote, and the cars had to be re-titled and registered with new state highway use and county personal property taxes paid (around $400 total per vehicle). State taxes will have be filed with both states this year, no real change on federal, but the move is deductible. The big shock is the rural culture and the poverty. Parts of this town look 3rd world, and honestly the parts of Belize and Panama I've been to looked better off, although the populace here is probably better armed. But yes, had I moved to say Charlotte, Raleigh, or even Ashville in this state it would have been far less of a cultural shift.
I recently had the misfortune (Job offer) to move from suburban DC to South Eastern NC. I may as well have moved to a foreign country. Sure the language is similar and the currency is the same. Otherwise the culture is completely foreign. It does not stop at culture either, although that does appear to play a part in many of the differences. Many things I took for granted are simply no longer available, more expensive, or simply not possible. That was a move of only 315mi. Now if I kept going south, say to FL, I know several locations there that are actually closer to Northern VA then here.
Exactly! I just went through that blasted classification training. If a is not classified and b is not classified than a document comprised of a+b is not classified, except in cases when it is. The rules are a mess, every single thing requires checking a fact sheet to see if something suddenly changed status. I could care less about Hillary, she had a private server, shouldn't have. But as for the emails, and the millions we have spent wasting our time, it is stupid. We have a Ruplican shouting classified information from the window of the clown car.
Ever been to Appalachia? Southern VA, WV, TN, KY, or had the misfortune to visit the deep South? We have rampant poverty, dirt floors, lack of education, no electricity, or even indoor plumbing here in the US. To make it worse, these unfortunate people continue to fall deeper into poverty and have no hope to escape it as these areas are largely ignored by the rest of the country. At best we think of them in a fashion similar to the Beverly Hillbillies. The fun part is that they have become more and more militant, they are well armed, and deeply religious. So, to paraphrase, they have no jobs, no money, no hope to better their lot, limited education, an unshakable belief in an afterlife far better then how they live now, and they are well armed.
The Fed is how the Federal Government is frequently referred to in areas such as Northern Virginia and Southern MD that border DC. As a native of that area, I've found myself using the same shorthand name on several occasions.
If only I had points. Although, any family flying with 9 children...
As long as it has a wall plug I'm good.
I think if they had focused on content and features it might have worked. Take the core features, and build on them. Dump the search as that will never be a primary focus, and it might have worked out.
Yahoo has a lot of traffic, and a lot of users still out there. I know a few who read the news, and use yahoo finance. I can't stand it, the way they mix the ads in with the headlines drives me up a wall. I would love to see them find their way though. I wonder how that yahoo deal is working out for Firefox though.
I got one for free, used reward points. Alarm clock or Nokia, alarm clock or nokia. I already have an alarm clock. Used it for less than a day.
Not sure you've been to the same Alaska I was in. It wasn't igloos, it was an impoverished dirt village that didn't even have reliable running water. They didn't hunt whales there, but they also didn't a Walmart or other grocery store within 100mi. What food did come in from outside was priced out of reach for most people. Try $14 for a 12pack of Pepsi, if Pepsi was in stock, if it wasn't winter because it would explode in the can.
I am not sure about a lot of folks, but I view the entire hunt as problematic. If we have multiple fleets hunting, using modern methods we are only a few weeks from putting entire species back on the list. Pollution, ocean acidification, over fishing and depletion of prey, and changing weather patterns/currents, along with multiple other stress factors look to harm the recovery in the long run. This one really scares me when it comes to whales recovering. http://news.nationalgeographic... For now, we really just need to leave them alone and try to clean up our mess.
So, to recap your argument, we have an industrialized nation with a modern whaling fleet that wants to use what amounts to a ship to ship missile to catch and harvest an endangered species complaining about the rights granted to an aboriginal tribe that uses a row boat to catch one of the few food sources available. As for the Pacific North West tribes, their hunt was actually blocked until some guy simply went out and shot a whale. The Faroese hunt is barbaric and needs to be stopped, as does the Canadian seal clubbing and the Japanese dolphin massacre. As for pork, there are multiple groups working on that very problem. There are also new humane certifications that one can look for. I simply stopped buying much meat at all. Any kind of Factory Farming is problematic, egg and milk production are not much better, there at least it is easier to source humane products if you have the money.
You forgot the lead, as I understand it, it had covered everything. Part of why we have unleaded gasoline now.
I used MythTV for years, you can also purchase the new DVR package from Silicon Dust (Who make the HD Homerun Prime)
What they do, and I can this from first hand knowledge, is make it impossible to use. I had Verizon FIOS for years in Northern VA. I had a Cable Card plugged into an HD Homerun Prime and connected to my MythTV backend. It worked perfectly, no on demand, no pay per view, but who cares. I move to North Carolina and am forced to get Time Warner, every single channel they can legally flag, is flagged copy once. I have a choice now of Windows Media Center or nothing. Ok, I make the switch, now I have picture quality issues, tuner issues, and compression issues. I call in and they simply blame my hardware. I went OTA and fixed the problem.
Heard this in the 80's about the Auto industry, then in the 90's about call centers, and now about programming and help desk. The truth is, we aren't talking about low paying jobs, or unskilled labor. Management fails to understand or even attempt to understand the value added by some departments. Accounting, IT, Customer Service, and anything not directly revenue generating. In many cases, such as Disney and Edison the jobs are now filled by H1B holders. Toys R Us is already going down the tubes and as far as I'm concerned the news about what they did only hastened it slightly. The last company I worked at tried this and it ended in disaster, you hire the high value/educated people for a reason. They are trained and able to adapt, they are not simply taught to click here, click here, and initial there when done. We ended up with a huge mess, some low level exec was made a scapegoat even though everyone knew it came from the COO's office, and we had to hire and train a bunch of people which was not easy as everyone who knew the job had been let go and moved on. Accountants cost money for a reason. It pays to hire local because they tend to know the laws applicable to locality.
Did basic training at Ft. Benning in GA from July to November in '94, the AC was set to something like 80F in the barracks. When we finally got to go back to them after dinner it was like visiting the Arctic.