As mentioned you are probaly talking about notes. Lotus covers a wide range of products like connections, quickr, Sametime, Symphony.
I also suspect you are talking about an older version of notes. Currently out in the wild you have version 6 to 8 (pre 6 is no longer supported).
You are probably not on version 8. You can download the 8.5 beta2 for free and it is a very nice client. Written on the Eclipse RCP framework. So you can write plugins for it.
I don't know about WoW, but when I played Asherons Call it was the bots that killed it for me. I would log into a near full server to find that majority of the players were trade bots.
Also my brother played Star Wars where they had bot players which would log into the dungeon and steal the items and log out again as soon as they spawn (long time ago so probably long fixed).
Still the point of MMO is that you are playing against other people. Otherwise you may as well play a single player game.
"Sorry to say this but I don't think Lotus Notes should be considered a viable e-mail client."
Works fine as an email client. Now if all you bought it for was email then yes your correct, you wasted your money.
btw you can get the raw MIME fine from the mail message (java/lotusscript). But your average user would never need to do it, so its not an option by default.
Glad to see you got modded funny because your wrong. I had a read of it. It is quite interesting. From what I can gather it uses dictionary systems to analyze a product or functional area and cross references against disclosures existing and points to areas that may have potential IP.
I can see it working in reverse as a way to look for existing prior art in your product to ensure you are not infringing.
First up Android is not Java. It is java like. It is like saying C# is java.
> You do realize that both Android and the iPhone are attempting to > supplant Symbian and Windows Mobile in the mobile device space, right?
Well duh. You do realize that there is only 1 phone for the public for Android. J2ME on the other hand is on every single device. iPhone is one device with a restrictive development license. Android is an SDK with 1 device and offers nothing in the SDK that already exists.
> So it's kind of missing the point
No you are the one missing the point. You have an article on "Which is the best bet for developers".
Answer neither iPhone or Android. J2ME is the best bet for games and range of devices (even has 3D support). If you want to create windows apps that work on the PC and Windows Mobile then.NET is the way to go. If your a C fan then Symbian.
- J2ME is free but tricky setting up. - Symbian is free as well but requires C. -.NET has a free version (not sure if it works on mobile though) and your apps just work on Windows+device. You can code in C#, VB.net and C++.
> Care to qualify that statement? > In what way is the iPhone sub-par?
The only thing the device has going for it is touchscreen. I develop apps for devices and get to play with loads of different kinds. There are many that offer more features then the iPhone even before the iPhone was released. If you wander over to Korea you will see devices that make the iPhone look like a rock (just a shame they don't work outside of Korea).
3G is only something new for the device, as is GPS. sub par camera, limited memory compared to other devices. Restrictive SDK, limited number of apps.
and then you can go into restricted phone plan. Europe you can buy a phone with "pay as you go" contract. You can't with the iPhone.
One of the biggest flaws with the game is you are basically playing in permanent god mode. I figured this out in the second level, where from then on I killed all the big daddies using a spanner and respawn pod.
The game is totally linear and the end guy is a joke as well.
I used to go a LAN party every month for CS:S. During the summer the scout den we rented out had no air-con so we had to open all the windows and doors. Even with that the sweat was pouring off a lot of people.
Two of the guys for some reason felt the need to strip off down to only underpants. It is was disturbing trying to play with them across the room as it looked like they were totally naked.
So as we all playing CounterStrike Source there screams of "plant the bomb", "Kill the hostage", etc, etc.
Around the evening time a plain clothes cop walks in with a weapon and says "Hows it going?" Looks at the computers, sees we are playing CSS then looks over to the two guys naked. One of them says "It's not what you think!".
Cop took it well, just laughed and said keep the noise down as someone had reported us.
You mention you are insubordinate then wonder why your not being promoted? Your seeing your company as the enemy when in fact it is who pays for your food. If you can't work to make your company grow then you need to find a new one.
"I wonder if that raises issues of responsibility regarding prior art?"
If your on the disclosure and you know of prior art and didn't report it then you can be liable for fines and jail time plus the patent invalidated (according to paperwork).
I know one guy who has the patent process where he works. He doesn't agree with it, so what he does is write the disclosure in such a way that the lawyers/reviewers come back with a publish. That way it doesn't become a patent and stops others from doing so. He has gotten quite a few publishes but only one patent. He mentioned he isn't listed on that one (first four names are normally listed).
"So, couldn't he just put up the ideas online before his boss tries to patent them? "
Yes it could. It would invalidate the patent. If the company however found out they had done it they would be liable for damages as well as facing jail time.
If they were to patent it before the company they worked for did, then they can face fines and jail time as well as invalidate the patent they submitted.
There was also a case in the UK where an employee tried to create an idea they had while employed (explained the idea but the company declined). The judge ruled that the previous company not only owned the rights to the idea but all the work done after they had left.
"it would probably be more reasonable to search people who actually fit the known profile of like, you know, everyone who has ever hijacked a plane ever"
Spoken from someone who has never ever been on the receiving end of being profiled based on race, and I am not talking about just being stopped to be searched on the plane.
You should try it some time and get back to us and see how much you like it.
Also remember the terrorists were perfectly legit when they got on those planes. Also some months after 9/11 there was a white supremacist group busted that were planning a huge scale bombing campaign in the USA. That didn't really make the news, but why aren't they profiling for that?
"I've held a job as a notes developer for 18 months before quitting"
Sorry but 18 months would only make you a junior developer if that. You probably weren't even certified.
I mean imagine someone telling you they only used C#/J2EE/Linux/etc for 18 months and said it sucked. You would laugh at them I am sure if you had been using it for much longer and took the time to get certified and training on how to code correctly for the architecture.
Difference between using a language and knowing a language.
This would explain why maintenance was a nightmare for you and why replication errors occurring so often. I suspect you mean replication conflicts rather then errors though. Two different things. Also you don't mention what version you worked on.
"he next administration (assuming Obama wins) will probably be more interested in taking away our "treasure"."
Actually I hate to be the one to break it to you but your treasure is already gone. what is likely to happen is your going to get the bill for it by the next president.
"if he can safely pretend to be https://cidybank.com/ [cidybank.com] with the lock icon?"
I think anyone slightly savvy would cop on that it was a phish site and select the "Help->Report Web Forgery" menu option so that they don't have waste their weekend uninstall spyware off their parents machine.
I think the real problem is that there are underlying issues with the patent process that people are abusing.
Software patents are a good thing. What is bad is that some of the BS software patents that get in. The main failing points that I have seen are.
- BS obvious patents (obvious after the fact is patentable, but these are before). - Prior art out the wazoo but hidden. - Resubmitting same patent multiple times with slight changes (seriously! you can see them in google if you look hard enough) - Submitting to certain offices knowing that they would go through faster/easier. - Interns reviewing patents.
Now for those that don't like patents the easier way to combat them is review those coming up for prior art. Check out: http://www.peertopatent.org/
Or if you have a cool idea that you believe should be free for all, publish it instead.
"How can you patent the act of using something in exactly the manner in which it was designed to be used?"
So anything created by a drill, wood crafting tools are not patentable as you are just using tools designed to be used in that manner.
"Software is just a list of such instructions. How is that patentable? "
Patents are just a list of instructions. If you can't describe your patent as a list of instructions it is not patentable.
"Say a particular calculator is patented, and I patent the act of entering 2+2 on it. Then someone else comes by and patents the act of entering (3+7)/2. Hey, it's an innovative new application of an existing device!"
An excuse that could be applied to anything. But I am talking about the design and development of a complex system.
"Their own software patents serve almost no function except a defensive one."
Your wrong. A good example with IBM. Back when everyone was going "Haha stick to the Big Blue MS" when companies started creating clone PCs and MS had held onto the rights of the Operating System. People strongly believed that MS won out in that situation. The truth of the matter is IBM made every PC maker do micro-payments of each patent filed in relation to the PC. So every PC built IBM got a slice of the pie.
Also IBM don't patent troll type patents. They normally publish them as it costs little to no money and stops others creating trolls. They even help out in peer2patents trying to kill trolls.
But don't mistake that thinking that IBM doesn't see value in software patents. They award bonus money to employees for creating them.
I would have to somewhat disagree. Not all software is maths. Some of it is complex systems, just as complex as any machine. While I agree that trying to patent a maths sum shouldn't be allowed, actual complex systems shouldn't be. and I am not talking about BS patents like one-click buying.
However my opinion is moot, as is the patent office. There is so much revenue generated for companies and the government that if ever someone got close to a position to kill software patents they would be out on their ear faster then you can say lobbyists.
"I don't want any of my developers wasting their time writing code that they could find that easily on the web."
Your opening yourself for serious litigation issues if your developers for your application are just nicking code from the net. Finding code to learn how to do something is different to copying code verbatim.
SCO vs IBM went the way it did because IBM legal are strict on what code goes into applications and its history.
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> Lotus sucks
As mentioned you are probaly talking about notes. Lotus covers a wide range of products like connections, quickr, Sametime, Symphony.
I also suspect you are talking about an older version of notes. Currently out in the wild you have version 6 to 8 (pre 6 is no longer supported).
You are probably not on version 8. You can download the 8.5 beta2 for free and it is a very nice client. Written on the Eclipse RCP framework. So you can write plugins for it.
Can download here.
http://www-10.lotus.com/ldd/nd85forum.nsf/Customer/2af77f70817fab8d852574b40061d30f?OpenDocument
I also recommend checking out Lotus greenhouse.
https://greenhouse.lotus.com/home/login.jsp
I don't know about WoW, but when I played Asherons Call it was the bots that killed it for me. I would log into a near full server to find that majority of the players were trade bots.
Also my brother played Star Wars where they had bot players which would log into the dungeon and steal the items and log out again as soon as they spawn (long time ago so probably long fixed).
Still the point of MMO is that you are playing against other people. Otherwise you may as well play a single player game.
"Sorry to say this but I don't think Lotus Notes should be considered a viable e-mail client."
Works fine as an email client. Now if all you bought it for was email then yes your correct, you wasted your money.
btw you can get the raw MIME fine from the mail message (java/lotusscript). But your average user would never need to do it, so its not an option by default.
Early 90's? Notes 8.0.1 was released this year and 8.5 should be released near the end of the year.
Glad to see you got modded funny because your wrong. I had a read of it. It is quite interesting. From what I can gather it uses dictionary systems to analyze a product or functional area and cross references against disclosures existing and points to areas that may have potential IP.
I can see it working in reverse as a way to look for existing prior art in your product to ensure you are not infringing.
First up Android is not Java. It is java like. It is like saying C# is java.
> You do realize that both Android and the iPhone are attempting to
> supplant Symbian and Windows Mobile in the mobile device space, right?
Well duh. You do realize that there is only 1 phone for the public for Android. J2ME on the other hand is on every single device. iPhone is one device with a restrictive development license. Android is an SDK with 1 device and offers nothing in the SDK that already exists.
> So it's kind of missing the point
No you are the one missing the point. You have an article on "Which is the best bet for developers".
Answer neither iPhone or Android. J2ME is the best bet for games and range of devices (even has 3D support). If you want to create windows apps that work on the PC and Windows Mobile then .NET is the way to go. If your a C fan then Symbian.
- J2ME is free but tricky setting up. .NET has a free version (not sure if it works on mobile though) and your apps just work on Windows+device. You can code in C#, VB.net and C++.
- Symbian is free as well but requires C.
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> Care to qualify that statement?
> In what way is the iPhone sub-par?
The only thing the device has going for it is touchscreen. I develop apps for devices and get to play with loads of different kinds. There are many that offer more features then the iPhone even before the iPhone was released. If you wander over to Korea you will see devices that make the iPhone look like a rock (just a shame they don't work outside of Korea).
3G is only something new for the device, as is GPS. sub par camera, limited memory compared to other devices. Restrictive SDK, limited number of apps.
and then you can go into restricted phone plan. Europe you can buy a phone with "pay as you go" contract. You can't with the iPhone.
Android vs iPhone?
Neither of them compare to Symbian OS, or Java or even Windows Mobile for that matter.
iphone is really only a big deal in America. Outside of the US it is average to sub-par.
"I have almost beaten this game on the PC,"
How can you almost beat the game?
One of the biggest flaws with the game is you are basically playing in permanent god mode. I figured this out in the second level, where from then on I killed all the big daddies using a spanner and respawn pod.
The game is totally linear and the end guy is a joke as well.
I see a schooner.
LOL.. this story is scary but true (in Ireland).
I used to go a LAN party every month for CS:S. During the summer the scout den we rented out had no air-con so we had to open all the windows and doors. Even with that the sweat was pouring off a lot of people.
Two of the guys for some reason felt the need to strip off down to only underpants. It is was disturbing trying to play with them across the room as it looked like they were totally naked.
So as we all playing CounterStrike Source there screams of "plant the bomb", "Kill the hostage", etc, etc.
Around the evening time a plain clothes cop walks in with a weapon and says "Hows it going?" Looks at the computers, sees we are playing CSS then looks over to the two guys naked. One of them says "It's not what you think!".
Cop took it well, just laughed and said keep the noise down as someone had reported us.
You mention you are insubordinate then wonder why your not being promoted? Your seeing your company as the enemy when in fact it is who pays for your food. If you can't work to make your company grow then you need to find a new one.
"I wonder if that raises issues of responsibility regarding prior art?"
If your on the disclosure and you know of prior art and didn't report it then you can be liable for fines and jail time plus the patent invalidated (according to paperwork).
I know one guy who has the patent process where he works. He doesn't agree with it, so what he does is write the disclosure in such a way that the lawyers/reviewers come back with a publish. That way it doesn't become a patent and stops others from doing so. He has gotten quite a few publishes but only one patent. He mentioned he isn't listed on that one (first four names are normally listed).
"So, couldn't he just put up the ideas online before his boss tries to patent them? "
Yes it could. It would invalidate the patent. If the company however found out they had done it they would be liable for damages as well as facing jail time.
If they were to patent it before the company they worked for did, then they can face fines and jail time as well as invalidate the patent they submitted.
There was also a case in the UK where an employee tried to create an idea they had while employed (explained the idea but the company declined). The judge ruled that the previous company not only owned the rights to the idea but all the work done after they had left.
lol obscure Neocron reference. :)
"it would probably be more reasonable to search people who actually fit the known profile of like, you know, everyone who has ever hijacked a plane ever"
Spoken from someone who has never ever been on the receiving end of being profiled based on race, and I am not talking about just being stopped to be searched on the plane.
You should try it some time and get back to us and see how much you like it.
Also remember the terrorists were perfectly legit when they got on those planes. Also some months after 9/11 there was a white supremacist group busted that were planning a huge scale bombing campaign in the USA. That didn't really make the news, but why aren't they profiling for that?
"I've held a job as a notes developer for 18 months before quitting"
Sorry but 18 months would only make you a junior developer if that. You probably weren't even certified.
I mean imagine someone telling you they only used C#/J2EE/Linux/etc for 18 months and said it sucked. You would laugh at them I am sure if you had been using it for much longer and took the time to get certified and training on how to code correctly for the architecture.
Difference between using a language and knowing a language.
This would explain why maintenance was a nightmare for you and why replication errors occurring so often. I suspect you mean replication conflicts rather then errors though. Two different things. Also you don't mention what version you worked on.
"he next administration (assuming Obama wins) will probably be more interested in taking away our "treasure"."
Actually I hate to be the one to break it to you but your treasure is already gone. what is likely to happen is your going to get the bill for it by the next president.
This won't stop anytime soon. The reason the law got enacted was because someone with kiddy pics got stopped at customs.
I see the latest update in this is that your mobile devices can seized.
http://www.wmexperts.com/featured/can_customs_seize_your_windows.html
"if he can safely pretend to be https://cidybank.com/ [cidybank.com] with the lock icon?"
I think anyone slightly savvy would cop on that it was a phish site and select the "Help->Report Web Forgery" menu option so that they don't have waste their weekend uninstall spyware off their parents machine.
Actually p2p is a good indicator of how much a movie sucks, take "Love Guru" as an example.
I think the real problem is that there are underlying issues with the patent process that people are abusing.
Software patents are a good thing. What is bad is that some of the BS software patents that get in. The main failing points that I have seen are.
- BS obvious patents (obvious after the fact is patentable, but these are before).
- Prior art out the wazoo but hidden.
- Resubmitting same patent multiple times with slight changes (seriously! you can see them in google if you look hard enough)
- Submitting to certain offices knowing that they would go through faster/easier.
- Interns reviewing patents.
Now for those that don't like patents the easier way to combat them is review those coming up for prior art. Check out: http://www.peertopatent.org/
Or if you have a cool idea that you believe should be free for all, publish it instead.
"How can you patent the act of using something in exactly the manner in which it was designed to be used?"
So anything created by a drill, wood crafting tools are not patentable as you are just using tools designed to be used in that manner.
"Software is just a list of such instructions. How is that patentable? "
Patents are just a list of instructions. If you can't describe your patent as a list of instructions it is not patentable.
"Say a particular calculator is patented, and I patent the act of entering 2+2 on it. Then someone else comes by and patents the act of entering (3+7)/2. Hey, it's an innovative new application of an existing device!"
No because that is a BS example.
"Complex math is still math."
An excuse that could be applied to anything. But I am talking about the design and development of a complex system.
"Their own software patents serve almost no function except a defensive one."
Your wrong. A good example with IBM. Back when everyone was going "Haha stick to the Big Blue MS" when companies started creating clone PCs and MS had held onto the rights of the Operating System. People strongly believed that MS won out in that situation. The truth of the matter is IBM made every PC maker do micro-payments of each patent filed in relation to the PC. So every PC built IBM got a slice of the pie.
Also IBM don't patent troll type patents. They normally publish them as it costs little to no money and stops others creating trolls. They even help out in peer2patents trying to kill trolls.
But don't mistake that thinking that IBM doesn't see value in software patents. They award bonus money to employees for creating them.
I would have to somewhat disagree. Not all software is maths. Some of it is complex systems, just as complex as any machine. While I agree that trying to patent a maths sum shouldn't be allowed, actual complex systems shouldn't be. and I am not talking about BS patents like one-click buying.
However my opinion is moot, as is the patent office. There is so much revenue generated for companies and the government that if ever someone got close to a position to kill software patents they would be out on their ear faster then you can say lobbyists.
"I don't want any of my developers wasting their time writing code that they could find that easily on the web."
Your opening yourself for serious litigation issues if your developers for your application are just nicking code from the net. Finding code to learn how to do something is different to copying code verbatim.
SCO vs IBM went the way it did because IBM legal are strict on what code goes into applications and its history.