nah. it's $10 diff between contract and non-contract plans on t-mo.
no plan: $530 phone + $60 / month * 2 years = $1970 plan : $180 phone + $70 / month * 2 years = $1860
so yeah, it works out about the same actually... except with no plan, you have the freedom to tell them to get lost if they aren't providing the service you want.
any sort of network accessible drive is going to be relatively slow. if you are copying large files that will be important. if you expect to use the large drive for your working sets, as opposed to just for storage, that will be crucial.
the truth is that you probably won't be happy with anything less than a eSATA interface.
I explained to her that it shipped with a tiny SSD so she wouldn't really be able to store all her pictures on it... Explained that it had no CD-ROM drive... Explained that it was generally too slow to handle streaming Netflix and things like that... Had her try surfing and typing on it...
modern netbooks have 250-320GB hard drives, stream netflix just fine, and have 90% full size keyboards (although they don't have dedicated numpads / arrow keys).
still no optical drive... which has limited impact since more and more people's video and music libraries are purely digital / streaming.
what i like is how the linked article quotes the bible,
Revelation 8:8: "The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze [appearance of the burning rig and slick], was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed."
google services on the phone drives users to google services on their desktop / laptop. that's where it pays for itself.
They only make money from good old search advertising revenue, which is really not Android specific anyway - they do the same thing on nearly every handset, including the iPhone.
except the iphone and blackberry have already or are soon switching to bing search. oops.
i don't know the numbers, but common sense says this is huge. the % of searches coming from smart phones is increasing exponentially will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
almost* every android devices locks the user into google search, gmail, google cal, google maps, google news, etc etc. okay, it doesn't lock them into it, but it works really well with those and at least i have not been at all tempted to look for alternatives.
even if the users aren't gettings ads on the phone, they will be driven to google services on the desktop, where they will get ads and put $ in google's pocket. android is already nicely turning a profit in that regard.
not to mention devices that ship with google services pay a licensing fee to google.
almost* every android devices locks the user into google search, gmail, google cal, google maps, google news, etc etc. okay, it doesn't lock them into it, but it works really well with those and at least i have not been at all tempted to look for alternatives.
even if the users aren't gettings ads on the phone, they will be driven to google services on the desktop, where they will get ads and put $ in google's pocket. android is already nicely turning a profit in that regard.
not to mention devices that ship with google services pay a licensing fee to google.
Just watch, they'll skyrocket in June/July, just as they have the last couple years.
and watch them fall again when three months later the latest shiny, cutting edge android phone is released... and watch that repeat every three months until the iphone 5g is released. apple can't keep up with the multitude of manufacturers releasing new android devices.
i am sure there are a good number of apple loyals that will wait a year until the next iphone, but many people just want their new phone now and want to know they are purchasing the latest technology.
From my understanding, they are essentially multiple versions of the hardware and software out there and each one must be effectively tailored to fit one particular model. You do not program for Android OS, but rather for the Droid or the G1 phones with whatever version of the Android OS they are running
yeah that's just not true. almost of apps are written generically with no screen size, OS version, etc. awareness whatsoever. in the 5% that do require such awareness, the android SDK easily allows you to code for that. sure, there are some bugs where certain OS versions act differently, but it's the exception not the rule.
Crashes... most certainly. Several a day, but thankfully not system-wide.
interesting. my nexus one is up for weeks. there is some bug that causes the touch screen to go haywire every so often. that's the only problem i've had.
to be fair, my wife's iphone 3g is up for 5x that long.
if it didn't use java or some other VM-based language for apps, they'd need to be re-compiled for each device. that's be a fatal hinderance to app development.
and that's a problem for apple... as there are shiny new cutting edge android phones every quarter at least. what you are seeing now is going to happen over and over again, as apple's latest iphone is trumped technology wise by more frequently released android devices.
3-6 months after the iphone 4, there will be an android phone that beats it technology-wise... if it's not already beaten by the HTC incredible that will be released around the same time.
sure there are apple loyals that will always wait for the next iXXX, but a majority of people just want their new phone now.
Surprisingly, you are required to run OSX to run Apple's development environment, just like you are required to run Windows to run Microsoft's development environments.
the difference? to run OSX i need to fork out the $$$ for apple's premium hardware.
by the way, there are cross compilers for linux-windows and windows-linux. however, to compile OSX you need OSX.
this is just an example of a school admin that disagrees with a law and took it to a silly extreme to make his point. how many people believe that he would have otherwise been compelled to expel a young child for possessing candy at school? shame on him he shouldn't be using the students he is supposed to protect to forward his agenda.
did you expect google would be interested in selling a one-off shell replacement for windows?
they buy it to get the patents, and the technology. they'll incorporate the technology into other products. at least that's what the usually do. they have a long history of it.
well that's the great thing about android. choices. if you want an open phone you should have got a nexus one. instead you bought a cheaper motorola android phone. it's cheaper because of things like forced yahoo search, and because they aren't devoting resources to develop the firmware update.
if people reward companies that do provide frequent updates and long-term support, as is expected w/ the nexus one, then the crowd will follow and it will become the norm.
google was faced with the task of getting large, paranoid device manufacturers and large, archaic service providers to uptake android on their devices and networks. that has largely been a success, but there's no way it would have happened if they tried to completely control the update schedule and user experience. if they did that, we wouldn't have android at all.
so what folks here are really saying is that google's business model for android was all wrong. they should have exclusively manufactured (or controlled manufacture of) android devices, and hoped they had the clout to get service providers to allow them on their networks like apple did.
the complaint is largely with the device manufacturers and service providers that are always looking to grabbing new customers with the next shiny new phone, and neglecting their existing customers.
kudos to google for trying to set a precedent w/ the nexus one. by getting frequent updates and long-term support, it will be the example of what device manufacturers and service providers should have been doing all along. they'll have to start providing apple and google like software updates or get eaten alive in the market by those very competitors. i don't think google wants to compete, but this is there passive way of getting the crowd to do the right thing.
I'm sure that in your opinion, Win7 runs acceptably well on your little laptop.
yes, in my opinion, which means a lot more since it's based on this little thing called an observation. as opposed to your opinions, which are based on your irrational hatred of windows. but don't take my word for it, read the other posts in this thread where people said the same thing as me.
p.s., you are coming across as much more of a fanboi than i did. we own a linux laptop, a mac laptop, an iphone, and android phone, and a w7 netbook. if you had to peg me as a fanboi, it probably wouldn't be windows.
p.p.s, i couldn't be bothered to read most of your fanboi ranting, so i apologize if i didn't respond to each of your points.
my netbooks runs win 7, it's snappy enough, and has 10 hours of battery life. oh and it cost 1/2 the price of the cheapest ipad. people that don't own win 7 netbooks should stop making comments about how win 7 doesn't work on netbooks. as much as this upsets you, it works quite nicely. you don't have to take my word for it. netbooks are selling like hotcakes and almost all of them run win 7. if it really was an usable, slow operating system that wouldn't be the case.
yeah it doesn't have a touchscreen and weighs over two pounds. that's a small price to pay for me, consider it has a 320GB hard drive, USB ports, a keyboard, SD card reader, and outputs 1920x1200 on an external monitor. you'll probably be able to have all those things w/ an ipad in the future, and it'll cost you another $600.
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nah. it's $10 diff between contract and non-contract plans on t-mo.
no plan: $530 phone + $60 / month * 2 years = $1970
plan : $180 phone + $70 / month * 2 years = $1860
so yeah, it works out about the same actually ... except with no plan, you have the freedom to tell them to get lost if they aren't providing the service you want.
any sort of network accessible drive is going to be relatively slow. if you are copying large files that will be important. if you expect to use the large drive for your working sets, as opposed to just for storage, that will be crucial.
the truth is that you probably won't be happy with anything less than a eSATA interface.
I explained to her that it shipped with a tiny SSD so she wouldn't really be able to store all her pictures on it... Explained that it had no CD-ROM drive... Explained that it was generally too slow to handle streaming Netflix and things like that... Had her try surfing and typing on it...
modern netbooks have 250-320GB hard drives, stream netflix just fine, and have 90% full size keyboards (although they don't have dedicated numpads / arrow keys).
still no optical drive ... which has limited impact since more and more people's video and music libraries are purely digital / streaming.
what i like is how the linked article quotes the bible,
Revelation 8:8: "The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze [appearance of the burning rig and slick], was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed."
neat.
ipad keyboard connection kit: $? ... and so on ...
ipad external storage connection kit: $?
ipad mouse connection kit: $?
ipad video out connection kit: $?
it all adds up.
google services on the phone drives users to google services on their desktop / laptop. that's where it pays for itself.
They only make money from good old search advertising revenue, which is really not Android specific anyway - they do the same thing on nearly every handset, including the iPhone.
except the iphone and blackberry have already or are soon switching to bing search. oops.
i don't know the numbers, but common sense says this is huge. the % of searches coming from smart phones is increasing exponentially will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
Google's Android revenue: 0.
wrong.
almost* every android devices locks the user into google search, gmail, google cal, google maps, google news, etc etc. okay, it doesn't lock them into it, but it works really well with those and at least i have not been at all tempted to look for alternatives.
even if the users aren't gettings ads on the phone, they will be driven to google services on the desktop, where they will get ads and put $ in google's pocket. android is already nicely turning a profit in that regard.
not to mention devices that ship with google services pay a licensing fee to google.
almost* every android devices locks the user into google search, gmail, google cal, google maps, google news, etc etc. okay, it doesn't lock them into it, but it works really well with those and at least i have not been at all tempted to look for alternatives.
even if the users aren't gettings ads on the phone, they will be driven to google services on the desktop, where they will get ads and put $ in google's pocket. android is already nicely turning a profit in that regard.
not to mention devices that ship with google services pay a licensing fee to google.
Just watch, they'll skyrocket in June/July, just as they have the last couple years.
and watch them fall again when three months later the latest shiny, cutting edge android phone is released ... and watch that repeat every three months until the iphone 5g is released. apple can't keep up with the multitude of manufacturers releasing new android devices.
i am sure there are a good number of apple loyals that will wait a year until the next iphone, but many people just want their new phone now and want to know they are purchasing the latest technology.
From my understanding, they are essentially multiple versions of the hardware and software out there and each one must be effectively tailored to fit one particular model. You do not program for Android OS, but rather for the Droid or the G1 phones with whatever version of the Android OS they are running
yeah that's just not true. almost of apps are written generically with no screen size, OS version, etc. awareness whatsoever. in the 5% that do require such awareness, the android SDK easily allows you to code for that. sure, there are some bugs where certain OS versions act differently, but it's the exception not the rule.
Crashes... most certainly. Several a day, but thankfully not system-wide.
interesting. my nexus one is up for weeks. there is some bug that causes the touch screen to go haywire every so often. that's the only problem i've had.
to be fair, my wife's iphone 3g is up for 5x that long.
android doesn't lack for apps, although you might only find 100 note pads apps, as opposed to 10,000 on the apple app store.
the exception is high-end games. android still has catching up to do in that area.
if it didn't use java or some other VM-based language for apps, they'd need to be re-compiled for each device. that's be a fatal hinderance to app development.
(java is for apps only: the OS is of course C).
and that's a problem for apple ... as there are shiny new cutting edge android phones every quarter at least. what you are seeing now is going to happen over and over again, as apple's latest iphone is trumped technology wise by more frequently released android devices.
3-6 months after the iphone 4, there will be an android phone that beats it technology-wise ... if it's not already beaten by the HTC incredible that will be released around the same time.
sure there are apple loyals that will always wait for the next iXXX, but a majority of people just want their new phone now.
1) some bunch of technically skilled people with a lot of spare time put together a proposal for a linux based tablet system
android.
Surprisingly, you are required to run OSX to run Apple's development environment, just like you are required to run Windows to run Microsoft's development environments.
the difference? to run OSX i need to fork out the $$$ for apple's premium hardware.
by the way, there are cross compilers for linux-windows and windows-linux. however, to compile OSX you need OSX.
this is just an example of a school admin that disagrees with a law and took it to a silly extreme to make his point. how many people believe that he would have otherwise been compelled to expel a young child for possessing candy at school? shame on him he shouldn't be using the students he is supposed to protect to forward his agenda.
did you expect google would be interested in selling a one-off shell replacement for windows?
they buy it to get the patents, and the technology. they'll incorporate the technology into other products. at least that's what the usually do. they have a long history of it.
android apps are written in java. the android OS is written in C and runs on linux.
why would i need an excuse for visiting a porn site? it's not illegal to look at porn.
https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/nnbmlagghjjcbdhgmkedmbmedengocbn
well that's the great thing about android. choices. if you want an open phone you should have got a nexus one. instead you bought a cheaper motorola android phone. it's cheaper because of things like forced yahoo search, and because they aren't devoting resources to develop the firmware update.
if people reward companies that do provide frequent updates and long-term support, as is expected w/ the nexus one, then the crowd will follow and it will become the norm.
google was faced with the task of getting large, paranoid device manufacturers and large, archaic service providers to uptake android on their devices and networks. that has largely been a success, but there's no way it would have happened if they tried to completely control the update schedule and user experience. if they did that, we wouldn't have android at all.
so what folks here are really saying is that google's business model for android was all wrong. they should have exclusively manufactured (or controlled manufacture of) android devices, and hoped they had the clout to get service providers to allow them on their networks like apple did.
the complaint is largely with the device manufacturers and service providers that are always looking to grabbing new customers with the next shiny new phone, and neglecting their existing customers.
kudos to google for trying to set a precedent w/ the nexus one. by getting frequent updates and long-term support, it will be the example of what device manufacturers and service providers should have been doing all along. they'll have to start providing apple and google like software updates or get eaten alive in the market by those very competitors. i don't think google wants to compete, but this is there passive way of getting the crowd to do the right thing.
I'm sure that in your opinion, Win7 runs acceptably well on your little laptop.
yes, in my opinion, which means a lot more since it's based on this little thing called an observation. as opposed to your opinions, which are based on your irrational hatred of windows. but don't take my word for it, read the other posts in this thread where people said the same thing as me.
p.s., you are coming across as much more of a fanboi than i did. we own a linux laptop, a mac laptop, an iphone, and android phone, and a w7 netbook. if you had to peg me as a fanboi, it probably wouldn't be windows.
p.p.s, i couldn't be bothered to read most of your fanboi ranting, so i apologize if i didn't respond to each of your points.
my netbooks runs win 7, it's snappy enough, and has 10 hours of battery life. oh and it cost 1/2 the price of the cheapest ipad. people that don't own win 7 netbooks should stop making comments about how win 7 doesn't work on netbooks. as much as this upsets you, it works quite nicely. you don't have to take my word for it. netbooks are selling like hotcakes and almost all of them run win 7. if it really was an usable, slow operating system that wouldn't be the case.
yeah it doesn't have a touchscreen and weighs over two pounds. that's a small price to pay for me, consider it has a 320GB hard drive, USB ports, a keyboard, SD card reader, and outputs 1920x1200 on an external monitor. you'll probably be able to have all those things w/ an ipad in the future, and it'll cost you another $600.