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Google Stops Selling Its Own Phone

Dave Knott notes that Google has announced it will close its online cell phone store and no longer sell the Nexus One smartphone directly to consumers. "While the global adoption of the Android platform has exceeded our expectations, the web store has not," wrote Andy Rubin, a Google vice president of engineering, on the official company blog. "It's remained a niche channel for early adopters, but it's clear that many customers like a hands-on experience before buying a phone, and they also want a wide range of service plans to chose from." From the Globe and Mail article: "At least one aspect of Google's attempt to disrupt the world of mobile communications — selling phones directly to customers — has failed. ... [T]he decision to design and sell the Nexus One was perhaps more potentially disruptive for carriers. ... Google plans to continue marketing the Nexus One through 'existing retail channels, essentially partnering with carriers around the world. The Nexus One web store, meanwhile, will essentially become a marketing portal 'to showcase a variety of Android phones available globally.'"

196 comments

  1. No big surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would never buy a phone I couldn't hold in my hand and try out first. Yes you could try one out that a friend has, but I've never seen a nexus in the wild.

    1. Re:No big surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s /phone/cock/

    2. Re:No big surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never seen an iPad...

  2. Damn it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And i wanted that phone too! unfortunately AT&T is the only reliable service provider around here... Besides Cellular South and I despise CDMA.
    They better offer it on my network or I'll have to jailbreak that muthafucka.

    1. Re:Damn it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Uh, it was sold unlocked and working with every service provider. It was also available for about an year. Why didn't you order one if you wanted it so bad, then?

    2. Re:Damn it. by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      They made an AT&T version of the Nexus One. I've got one here.

    3. Re:Damn it. by babyrat · · Score: 1

      the original t-mobile version would work on AT&T with the exception of 3G data - you'd be stuck using edge for data connection. They have since released an AT&T version of the N1 which would work on AT&T 3G (and thus not on t-mobile 3G). AT&T did not subsidize this, nor do they offer a discount if you bring your own phone, like t-mobile does.

    4. Re:Damn it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it was only available in two fucking countries, perhaps if they had bothered to release it elsewhere it may have sold a little better.

  3. It never should have sold one in the first place by dougluce · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Qualcomm, Motorola, and others learned this for them already. If you've got something amazing to provide to the cell phone value stream, keep away from competing with those you are helping.

  4. Re:It never should have sold one in the first plac by UNHOLYwoo · · Score: 2, Funny

    I give them credit for trying to have their cake and eat it too... but as we all know, the cake is a lie.

  5. hehe by FuckingNickName · · Score: 1, Troll

    Like Apple with OS X a decade ago, once you've got your start, you stop pretending to be "different" and caring for the developer community, and cater to your real revenue generators: in this case, the carriers.

    1. Re:hehe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's hard to blame a company for trying to make money. Hell, it's GOOG's responsibility to its shareholders to bring in the $$$.

    2. Re:hehe by mmaniaci · · Score: 0

      It ain't hard for me to blame a company for trying to make money at the expense of the consumer. Google just tipped over to Evil in my book.

    3. Re:hehe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell are you talking about?

    4. Re:hehe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate to reply to my own post, but I misread the article. My previous post is pointless, and Google has tipped back to Suspicious in my book.

    5. Re:hehe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So.. I assume you grow all your own food, raised and harvested all the lumber for your home, grow all the materials for your clothing, and make those clothes yourself. You also mined and refined all the materials for the computer you're posting from.

      No? Then you, too, must be an evil bastard. Supporting all those evil companies, and evilly charging for your services. In which case, why do you care that Google is too?

    6. Re:hehe by FuckingNickName · · Score: 1

      It has whatever responsibility it's told its shareholders that it has, which isn't necessarily profit at all costs - or even profit, strictly.

      Regardless, "I had to kill him - someone paid me to do it and I can't go back on my contract!" doesn't cut it.

    7. Re:hehe by yeshuawatso · · Score: 0

      So.. I assume you grow all your own food, raised and harvested all the lumber for your home, grow all the materials for your clothing, and make those clothes yourself. You also mined and refined all the materials for the computer you're posting from.

      Yes, and I also connected my computer to those series of tubes you folks call the 'internet'.

    8. Re:hehe by mmaniaci · · Score: 1

      I have already discredited my own post... Did you really have to be such a doushebag?

    9. Re:hehe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell, it's GOOG's responsibility to its shareholders to bring in the $$$.

      Only if thats what it says in their charter. Conversely, if "do no evil" was in there they could face fines and/or jail for profit seeking (in theory).

      The belief that return to shareholders is a business' only responsibility as harmful to society as it is factually wrong.

  6. Nice try by jlechem · · Score: 4, Informative

    But after looking at buying a Nexus One there were 2 primary options. Bend over and pay full price or bend over to T-Mobile and pay their price and lock in. And they only had two plans that were complete shit. I support as many new phones as possible but this wasn't priced well and the plan options they did offer just plain sucked.

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    1. Re:Nice try by yincrash · · Score: 4, Informative

      if you pay full price, you could get $20 / month off the t-mobile plans for people who are not on 2 year contracts, that worked out to be less than getting the 2 year plan over 2 years. i think they didn't advertise that well enough.

    2. Re:Nice try by amorsen · · Score: 1

      Bend over and pay full price

      Why is paying the cost of a product associated with bending over? Are you saying that the price of the Google One was unreasonably above the cost of production?

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    3. Re:Nice try by jlechem · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe it's just me but I see paying over 500 dollars for a cell phone no matter how cool, bending over. I would never buy an iPhone for the same reason.

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    4. Re:Nice try by Daetrin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't subsidized smart phone plans generally cost $90 or more? I bought the unlocked Nexus One for $530, and got an unlimited data/unlimited texting /500 minutes with unlimited nights and weekends plan with T-Mobile for $60 a month. At a savings of $30 a month i'll have covered the difference between the full cost and the subsidized cost in a year.

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    5. Re:Nice try by amorsen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe it's just me but I see paying over 500 dollars for a cell phone no matter how cool, bending over.

      Hence why most cell phones are leased, not sold (although that word isn't used, of course).

      I still don't see the bending over bit. The cell phone costs a certain amount to produce, and the manufacturer asks that plus a reasonable profit. Sure there are cases where the manufacturing costs are less than half of the consumer price, but AFAIK Google One isn't one of those.

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    6. Re:Nice try by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they are not leased, they are rent to own. Once you fulfill your contract, it's yours to do with as you wish.

    7. Re:Nice try by Degro · · Score: 1

      You just don't understand the sodomy based economy we live in...

    8. Re:Nice try by peragrin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      my iphone is $70 a month with all my taxes(I have an older plan that i talked the guy into letting me keep, so i just added data)

      So you save $10 a month over me, or $240 over two years. I paid $300 for my phone so $540 plus the contract rate.

      You saved how much over my iphone? none, zip, zilch. not to mention you didn't taxes onto your rate only the stated price. So we are equal and i got a phone that can actually use AT&T's 3G service and not stuck on dial up speeds of t-mobile.

      (note AT&T 3G's service is highly variable then again so is verizon's, and yes I have compared the two we did some wandering tests at my company over 600 sq miles of area In the end AT&T won roughly equal service area and speeds and AT&T came in at 40% less a year in savings.

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    9. Re:Nice try by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They are sold on contract. That is not a lease. With a lease, the phone company could expect to get something of value back from the customer, not a well used, obsolete phone.

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    10. Re:Nice try by trapnest · · Score: 1

      Everywhere I've tried in tampa bay (Homosassa Springs, Hudson, New Port Richey, Clearwater, Saint Petersburg, Tampa) T-Mobiles EDGE has been faster than AT&T's 3G.

    11. Re:Nice try by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      Also wrong.

      A closer analogy is like buying on credit. You own the phone completely on day one (not leased or rented-to-own), but you are contracted to repay the costs over the year or 2 agreed. The moment you have the phone you're allowed to resell it, destroy it, give it away, whatever. But just as if you'd bought it on a credit card, you'll still be paying for it until the costs are met.

    12. Re:Nice try by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's just me but I see paying over 500 dollars for a cell phone no matter how cool, bending over. I would never buy an iPhone for the same reason.

      Maybe it's just me, but if a netbook costs $200, wouldn't something that has similar computing power to a netbook, plus internet connectivity outside of WiFi hotspots, plus it comes in a package that's a quarter of the weight and size - so small that it fits in my pocket - actually be worth about $500 if you were able to just buy such a gadget off the shelf without having to deal with a phone company?

      The real problem - as others have said - is that most carriers don't offer discounts on monthly plans to people who buy their own hardware. They'd rather rent hardware to you, and keep you paying for the rental long after you've paid the cost of the phone.

    13. Re:Nice try by mrops · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Thats because you are looking for a phone.

      Nexus One is in the category I like calling "Also a phone".

      If you want a phone go look for a Nokia 6120 or something. Mind you 6120 is more than phone too.

      With data usage on these mobile devices becoming more and more common, these things are more of an internet tablet with voice capability (vs the other way round).

    14. Re:Nice try by wintermute000 · · Score: 0

      You get flexibility + ability to throw in a different SIM when travelling etc. (mind you there is nothing to stop you from unlocking an android phone in particular).

      the main thing for many of us is that we hate carrier contracts.
      In Oz high end phones are invariably tied to 24 month contracts and in the ooh shiny phase, unless you go with a high end plan, you also end up with a 10-20 dollar a month extra purchase fee.

      For me unlocked fully owned phone is perfect as I have a work SIM and a personal SIM and am dithering about whether to cancel the personal one (had the number for 10 years, so obviously loathe to change), at same time work SIM is free (free data!) BUT BUT BUT I am getting so sick of my work that I want to quit, hence doing this leaves all my options open.
      It also means I don't have to carry around the POS blackberry that work gives me (no exchange on the go is not important, I have a laptop and 3G card as well, and can stand to not check my email till I get to a desk).

    15. Re:Nice try by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      If it was just a cell phone you'd be right, but smart phones are pocket sized mobile computers. Lots of people think they are worth $500. If you don't then no one is forcing you to get one, the bending over is all in your head.

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    16. Re:Nice try by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      (I have an older plan that i talked the guy into letting me keep, so i just added data)

      Well, yeah, it's cheaper if you happen to have an old contract and a guy you can talk into letting you keep it. My father-in-law still has an original iPhone with $20/mo data plan, but that doesn't do anyone walking in off the street any good. T-mobile's 3G, incidentally, has fine speeds as long as you're in a T-mobile 3G area and using a phone with the right frequencies - which an iPhone lacks.

    17. Re:Nice try by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      So we are equal and i got a phone that can actually use AT&T's 3G service and not stuck on dial up speeds of t-mobile.

      You mean that you got one of the few phones that doesn't work properly on T-Mobile's Standard 3G Network (so it reverts to Edge). What is that? A defect by design? Did you have to pay extra to get that defect implemented?

      (note AT&T 3G's service is highly variable then again so is verizon's, and yes I have compared the two we did some wandering tests at my company over 600 sq miles of area In the end AT&T won roughly equal service area and speeds and AT&T came in at 40% less a year in savings.

      What? No discounts? You should talk to HR. My company chose AT&T too, but had them give all of us discounted personal and family cell phone plans.

    18. Re:Nice try by Daetrin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As other people have pointed out, i am not you. In fact, _most_ people are not you. I don't have access to some special $70 a month plan from AT&T. If i wanted an iPhone the comparable plan would cost me $90 a month. So _i_ am saving $30 a month over the subsidized alternative, and that math is the same for most other people looking into getting a new smartphone.

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    19. Re:Nice try by ufbrett · · Score: 1

      I bent over.
      I myself dumped $800 on tmo's IPAQ phone thinking someone (the radio hacks were far beyond my ability) would get linux up and running like we all had running on our other IPAQs. That was so many hopeless years ago(when openmoko was your only choice to roll your own code on an american carrier). Oh well - I had my IPAQ and Zaurus and whatever cell phone the carrier I worked for then gave me. Then I left that industry - just as TMo mailed me the G1. Enter CyanogenMod. I still have the G1, and use it to replace my Sprint EVDO card (the G1 has always been easy to tether). Dropping $600 for the Nexus might have hurt - if not for perspective on prices I have payed for other high price toys.
      The only thing I am concerned about at this point - is whether I have sent some paypal love to CyanogenMod lately. I have to get on that.

    20. Re:Nice try by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      no, it's $10 less for the no-contract plan. if you do the math, it works out to almost exactly the same price over 2 years with the service whether you pay $180 + $10 more each month or $530 + $10 less each month.

    21. Re:Nice try by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      no, AT&T iphone plan is $70 / month. on t-mo, you save $10 a month with the no-contract plan. if you do the math, the nexus one in and out of contract options works out almost exactly the same over 2 years.

    22. Re:Nice try by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      It should be mentioned, a few month ago Google started selling Nexus Ones equipped to handle AT&T's 3G frequencies.

    23. Re:Nice try by sjames · · Score: 1

      Really it's more like buying it on credit but it doesn't last much if any beyond the final payment. In many cases it is deliberately rigged to become useless the moment you finish paying for it.

    24. Re:Nice try by RatherBeAnonymous · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I bought my Nexus One a couple weeks ago. I really just needed a PDA, the cell phone capability is a nifty additional feature.

    25. Re:Nice try by RatherBeAnonymous · · Score: 1

      I bought a Nexus One with up front, and I'm paying 5 bucks (plus tax) per month for cell phone service. My mother has been a T-Mobile customer for a long time and T-Mobile doesn't force you into a data package when you are off-contract. We just added my new Nexus One to her account for 15 bucks, and it's an additional 5 dollars per month for the additional line.

    26. Re:Nice try by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      "no, AT&T iphone plan is $70 / month. on t-mo, you save $10 a month with the no-contract plan. if you do the math, the nexus one in and out of contract options works out almost exactly the same over 2 years."

      Okay, [citation needed].

      I went and checked the the AT&T website after the last guy claimed something about a $70 a month plan. I don't know if the link will work properly, but when i checked this page for the iPhone plan options it says 450 minutes a month is $40, unlimited texting is $20, and the data plan is $30. That totals out to $90 a month. There are other plan combinations you could get which would cost more, and other plan combinations you could get which would cost less, but if you want to compare apples to apples it's $60 for t-mobile's 500 minutes/unlimited/unlimited to at&t's $90 for 450 minutes/unlimited/unlimited.

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    27. Re:Nice try by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      nexus one plans, t-mobile,

      1. $530 (unsubsidized phone) + $60 / month * 2 years = $1970
      2. $180 (subsidized phone) + $70 / month * 2 years = $1860

      so the "subsidized" nexus one is actually slightly cheaper over 2 years.

      as for the iphone, you are right, i didn't count unlimited messaging. t-mo's equivalent plan does have unlimited text.

    28. Re:Nice try by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      Actually, if you check the website (and click the "show more" link,) the N1 requires a "special" plan if you're getting the subscription model:

      "500 talk minutes. Unlimited nights and weekends. Unlimited T-Mobile to T-Mobile minutes. Unlimited domestic messaging including SMS, MMS, IM. Android Unlimited Web. $79.99 per month."

      So i'm actually saving $20 a month using the Even More Plus plan than i would be with the subscription model for the N1.

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  7. Google never stopped selling it's own phone... by RobertM1968 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If memory serves, Google stopped directly selling HTC's phone that was designed to work on T-Mobile, and is letting the carriers themselves sell it directly. Google is not a hardware manufacturer.

    Of course, I am getting old... so maybe it's my senility setting in and my recollection is incorrect. :-)

    1. Re:Google never stopped selling it's own phone... by catbutt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Although you could say the same about the iPhone and Apple, since FoxConn manufactures that (and lots of other companies make the various components).

      Google had significant design and engineering input into Nexxus One -- probably not as much as Apple has over iPhone, but still. Many if not most American tech companies outsource their manufacturing. If Google determines the specs and puts its brand on Nexxus One, in many senses that makes it "it's own" phone.

    2. Re:Google never stopped selling it's own phone... by chodo · · Score: 1

      No, that's not true. You can easily see that the Nexus One was designed by HTC, not by Google. Google just played a bigger role in this design process. Apple designs their Ipones in-house. Plus the Nexus One is co branded by HTC. Do you see any FoxConn branding on your Iphone? On top of that: Google doesn't even do hardware support. HTC is responsible for that.

  8. The carriers have won. by jacks+smirking+reven · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They've got the majority of America buying into the subsidy/contract system. The advantages of dropping $500 upfront on a phone aren't obvious to the layman phone buyer. Not when they get get an iPhone for $199 (despite the savings over time of going off contract).

    People here know the advantages (and a few here probably bought the N1 from Google) but I think that mindset is going to be hard to change without a drastic drop in the initial cost of the hardware.

    1. Re:The carriers have won. by cervo · · Score: 2, Informative

      For ATT there are no savings. And you can't port the ATT phone to T-Mobile and still get 3G. And Verizon/Sprint use a different technology.

      For ATT you are always subsidizing a phone, there is no cheaper price for no contract. So by not having a phone you are throwing the subsidy dollars to waste. The only thing I can think of is finding the most subsidized phone, selling it on e-bay and then using the proceeds to buy the nexus one (in effect subsidizing one). T-Mobile does offer a discount for no contract so there it seems to make more economic sense to buy the Nexus unlocked and then save the money each month. After two years you will be ahead, and if you keep it longer then you make the phone an even better value.....

    2. Re:The carriers have won. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Wait, what savings do you get over time from going off contract? Don't all carriers charge the same per month whether you got a new phone or not? AT&T sure didn't have a plan to give me a discount if I bought the phone outright.

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    3. Re:The carriers have won. by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If I ran the country (and I really think I should), carriers would not be allowed to bundle the phones. They can sell them with a monthly payment, but it must be separate from the cost of the plan, and in no way affect it. Bundling phones and locking people into long term plans discourages competition in a huge way. I'd like to see the carriers fighting for my business on a monthly basis, not every 2 or 3 years.

    4. Re:The carriers have won. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I don't see any plan from any carrier which gives a "paid in full for phone" discount.

      Though, this does seem to be the same argument of lease vs finance for cars. (ie: Do you want a new phone every few years, or do you keep phones until they break?)

    5. Re:The carriers have won. by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 1

      I agree. If they are going to give you the phone as a rent to own device then the phone payment should show up as a separate line item on the bill. Obviously the carriers don't want this because people will quickly realize how much they are paying for the phone over the 2 years and the carriers can't keep the same service rate even when the cost of the phone+interest has been recovered.

      Carriers should be fighting for my business monthly or giving me really good deals to make me sign up for 1-2 years.

    6. Re:The carriers have won. by teg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If I ran the country (and I really think I should), carriers would not be allowed to bundle the phones.

      Norway has a mobile market that works a lot better than the US, and here are a couple of key reasons why:

      • One common standard - GSM. This ensures competition, because a phone is compatible with all mobile operators. Thus, you get plans with and without subsidies ("bring your own phone"). In the US, you have different standards which makes switching operators harder
      • After the carrier subsidy period is over, they are mandated by law to unlock your phone if you ask. The phone is yours, you paid for it.
      • For consumers, the maximum contract length is 12 months. For businesses, 24 months. This typically means that the monthly rate go down after this period, as you could unlock it and leave otherwise
      • There also has to be a possibility for the customer to terminate this contract earlier, by paying a prorated fee.
      • You have plenty of Mobile Virtual Network Operators, which increases the competition. As a condition of using a limited, public resource the mobile network operators have to accommodate them.

      Competition is good, but sometimes you need to regulate to ensure a free market.

    7. Re:The carriers have won. by Timmmm · · Score: 1

      I'd vote for you. Fortunately it seems to be only America where the masses are quite so ignorant to the lie of the 'subsidy'. I have a feeling it is because you have so many different mobile technologies; if you change networks you'll generally have to buy a new phone anyway, so it is easier for the networks to force you to buy one.

    8. Re:The carriers have won. by Namarrgon · · Score: 1

      Yep. US buyers have to pay $200 + $60-$100/month for a decent phone, for "unlimited" voice & data, whether you want it or not. I'm amazed you haven't invoked your right to use those arms you bear yet.

      Here (AU) I imported my Nexus One at full price, but I pay only $10/month for voice, texts & data, plus I added $5 for extra data, which (with wifi and voip) more than covers my needs. On contract I'd pay $0 + $60/m, so I'm saving nearly $500 and I can change plans or carriers or sell my phone for a new one at any time.

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    9. Re:The carriers have won. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Though, this does seem to be the same argument of lease vs finance for cars.

      Show me any lease agreement and a good calculator and I'll show you why versus buying the same car, you will be spending more money leasing every time. The only way you will spend less on a lease is if the seller is intentionally losing money, i.e. not likely.

      For the slow, pro tip: compare how much you paid after a 3 year lease vs selling a car you bought after 3 years and subtracting the proceeds from what you owe. If you think car dealers are in the business of making less money on leases, you == dumb.

    10. Re:The carriers have won. by phantomcircuit · · Score: 1

      After the carrier subsidy period is over, they are mandated by law to unlock your phone if you ask. The phone is yours, you paid for it.

      The same is true in the US and most carriers will unlock your phone before your contract expires if you ask nicely.

    11. Re:The carriers have won. by ceejayoz · · Score: 1

      What if I use the substantially lower monthly payments from leasing to invest in something that's going up in value instead of going down?

    12. Re:The carriers have won. by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      It really is annoying, especially because I don't "want" a voice plan, or sms. I want data, that's it. I use sms instead of an actual call for personal use when out and about 90% of the time anyway. And I do all that through google voice.

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    13. Re:The carriers have won. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if I use the substantially lower monthly payments from leasing to invest in something that's going up in value instead of going down?

      BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I fucking love this site. Every snot nosed punk is an expert at everything. So, let me get this straight, you are going to lease a car so that you can "invest" the difference in the money you are "saving" by not buying. HAHAHAHAHAHA. And you think that little few hundred dollars a month is going to make you come out ahead in the end? P.T. Barnum would have loved you.

      Let me ask you this, son. Just what is it that you actually think you are going to be investing in over a three year time horizon that is going to net you enough to not only make back the thousands you lose on the lease but make up for the amount of risk you will inevitably be taking to get such an insane return on your capital? You do realize you have to adjust for risk, right? On second thought, don't answer that as I've had my quota of stupidity today. If you actually knew what you were doing (you don't), you might actually almost break even. The vast likelihood is that you will lose your money and then be double sad. Not to mention the fact that if you ask 1000 random millionaires how they made it, I'll bet you 1 million dollars not a single one will say that they leased their cars and invested the difference. As a matter of fact, if you brought something that stupid up, they'd almost certainly laugh in your face.

      I'm going to do you a favor and help you avoid some pain. Basically, nothing short of a quarter ki' of cocaine is a likely enough investment to do what you are talking about. And even then, somebody would just kick your ass and take it from you. Word to the wise: fold your money over and put it back in your pocket kid or you're the type of fool who's going to end up very sad.

    14. Re:The carriers have won. by mlts · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Another advantage of one standard for phones: No need to have so many radio bands allocated. GSM has one band. AT&T'3 3G has another, T-Mobile's has another, CDMA has theirs. WiMax has one, same with LTE, and iDen. Having one standard means that a lot of the bands can be freed up for other uses.

      You also have the ability for companies to share towers. This is what T-Mobile and AT&T did, pre-3G. This way, each phone company didn't have to have their own tower in each space for coverage, but could just lease from another provider.

    15. Re:The carriers have won. by mlts · · Score: 1

      Just some will. T-Mobile is arguably the best about this, because people either have bought their phone outright, or have to pay an ETF.

      Other providers might not let you unlock your phones. I do not know if Sprint or Verizon will allow someone to do this, nor do I know if either provider would let someone have a unit on their CDMA network without their branding. They might with their "world" phones (the ones that have both CDMA and a GSM radio.)

    16. Re:The carriers have won. by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      Depends on the carrier and depends on the phone. I've compared my monthly rate with sprint to t-mobiles monthly rate where there is no subsidy, and my cost is still lower, in spite of having a subsidized phone.

      In general I hate the razer business model, especially when it comes to printers and ink, but for cell phones it isn't quite as cut and dry of a loss.

      BTW my phone is an HTC Hero, sells for $400 without contracts in europe (I'm not even sure if you can get it that low even,) while I got it for $80 thanks to the sprint subsidies, all while I pay $30 for a plan that costs $45 on t-mobile. It isn't an employee plan either, I don't work for sprint nor do I have any affiliation with them.

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    17. Re:The carriers have won. by Jarik_Tentsu · · Score: 1

      I live in Australia and for $69 a month for a 2 year plan, I got a free iPhone 3GS for no extra cost.

      Did sell it on eBay for $750AUD, and buy myself an N900 for $800 (not released in Australia).

      The issue here in not going on the 2 year contract isn't the free phone as the lack of actual value on the actual contract. $69 a month for 24 months gives you $400 worth of calls and 1GB of data. For 6 month plan, the maximum they have is like $100 a month for $300 worth of calls and 300MB data.

    18. Re:The carriers have won. by ErikZ · · Score: 1

      "I'm amazed you haven't invoked your right to use those arms you bear yet."

      On who? Running around in an angry mob is pretty much useless.

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    19. Re:The carriers have won. by fred911 · · Score: 1

      guns/butter

      ah.. cars are NOT investments. Investments don't loose 30%-50% when you drive them new off the lot. A lease payment is
      based on the amount of estimated depreciation over the term of the lease (and the estimation is amazingly accurate) and the
      cost to use the said money, over the term, plus use tax. The cost to use the money is calculated on the depreciation AND the
      amount of the cap cost (kinda a double dip). Unless the manufacture is subventing the estimated value at the end of the term,
      you're generally fucked. You don't win, trust me.

      You're always better off buying butter with cash.

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    20. Re:The carriers have won. by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      exactly. all the carriers know it's cheaper to lure customers in with shiny new phones, lock them in for 2+ years, and then dish out terrible service. it's no accident that all US carriers have incompatible networks. they've silently agreed to compete for new customers and nothing else.

    21. Re:The carriers have won. by Namarrgon · · Score: 1

      The carrier I use (Exetel) also has a "data only" plan, where you pay only for what you use (1.5c/MB). No restrictions of course; great for voip or tethering. Voice calls/texts are also possible, though relatively expensive.

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  9. Obligatory Blade Runner Reference by morari · · Score: 4, Funny

    Google has announced that it will close its online cell phone store and no longer sell the Nexus One smart phone directly to consumers.

    This was not called execution. It was called retirement.

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  10. Re:It never should have sold one in the first plac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Bosh. I paid for my Nexus One outright, and I probably wouldn't have even looked at it if I had to stop in at one of the phone stores. Those places are sleazy.

    T-Mobile has month-by-month rates. A little more pricy, sure, but you are able to switch carriers at any time. Works for me.

    It's unfortunate that Google is throwing in the towel so quickly. They're spending fortunes on ads, right now, they must have the money to spare. I don't think they've considered what they're doing.

    But I do love my Android phone. It could stand minor hardware tweaking. The software resources are phenomenal.

  11. Re:While android is leading iphone by the_womble · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The cellphone vendors will also be far happier to use Android if Google is not competing with them.

  12. Re:While android is leading iphone by hedwards · · Score: 1

    Umm, HTC makes the Google Nexus One, in fact on the back of mine both names are prevalent. HTC just made it more or less to the specs that Google wanted, I'm sure that HTC contributed plenty in terms of expertise, but this was the phone that Google wanted made.

    I've got one and it's a really nice phone, it's nice to see that rather than giving up completely, Google's just moving the sales to stores rather than killing the phone completely. It's a good phone and I'm sure people will see that when they play with it in store.

  13. Anti-Streisand Effect by CuteSteveJobs · · Score: 1

    Anti-Streisand: They announce something I never even knew was there is going away, and now that I've heard about it I want it: Inverse-publicity is still publicity.

    But Business-wise this is still smart, and Intel have done the same thing before: Get into a market proving to others it's there, then step back to your core competency. It's an arguably longer term strategy than Apple's, which is to own everything. Even if that's working well for the iPhone, I seem to remember a certain Macintosh computer whose market share dwindled under the same strategy.

  14. Where's the google innovation? by j.a.mcguire · · Score: 1

    This totally confuses me with Google, they come up with a world class search engine technology and yet constantly fail to dominate other market sectors and in the end, resort to buying out their competitors. Surely with all the talented staff at Google they could have realised early on that consumers would want a hands on trial, and customisable service plan options -- why not just offer these instead of giving up altogether?

    1. Re:Where's the google innovation? by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      They're doing pretty good (better than MS) in the mobile market and their talented search engine staff won't necessarily know what to do for a mobile OS and they're busy on the search business anyway so Google would need to hire people or buy a company to fill the resourcing for developing a mobile OS. What is the real difference between them buying a company to incorporate into their company or buying up that company's talent and letting that company fall to the side?

      No one has dominated search forever. Odds are Google won't either so they need to spread out but hopefully in a sensible way unlike Yahoo whom has just filled their homepage with a load of unnecessary shit. Google is at least getting into more sensible things. I think trying to do everything would be too much. If they offer superior pricing plans and more then they'll probably have to build the infrastructure too because who is going to work with Google and share their towers with someone who is cutting into their business and giving consumers more freedom?

    2. Re:Where's the google innovation? by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 1

      The problem is that when you start doing retail you have to staff like a retail company. This means you now need a call center and CSRs and all of the management staff and capabilities around doing that. I can imagine that selling in retail is NOT something Google wants to be doing.

    3. Re:Where's the google innovation? by jo42 · · Score: 1

      That's because Google is trying the spaghetti on the wall approach to product development. They come up with something half-cooked, throw it against the wall to see what sticks.

      Also don't forget that until Google got into the advertising business, they nearly went bankrupt in the early days. Since then they haven't come up with a single product that could stand on its own without being funded by the massive revenue stream from advertising.

  15. Re:While android is leading iphone by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, this is the real reason that Google is stopping sales. The carriers want to feel important. People will still end up using the phone on T-Mobile most of the time, so this will affect few people to any significant degree.

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  16. Someone needs a history lesson by cybereal · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not sure which revisionist idiot informed the general OSS/Google fanboy world that selling unlocked phones directly to consumers was somehow innovating. Nokia has been doing this for years. I bought my last Nokia phone, the E70, well before even the iPhone was out directly via Nokia's website. You can still buy many Nokia products this way, including the venerable N900.

    The prices may not always be the very best you can find but at least they are a trusted source.

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    1. Re:Someone needs a history lesson by dabadab · · Score: 1

      Actually, here, in Europe, you can buy pretty much any model unlocked in phone shops since ... since forever. So really, selling unlocked phones directly is how it always was here.

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    2. Re:Someone needs a history lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure which revisionist idiot informed the general OSS/Google fanboy world that selling unlocked phones directly to consumers was somehow innovating. Nokia has been doing this for years. I bought my last Nokia phone, the E70, well before even the iPhone was out directly via Nokia's website. You can still buy many Nokia products this way, including the venerable N900.

      Stop ruining a good story with your wretched Facts and Real World Experience! This is Google we're talking about! Don't you know that everything they do is revolutionary? Sheesh!

    3. Re:Someone needs a history lesson by beakerMeep · · Score: 1

      You're missing the point. Even though they were unsuccessful, the N1 was slated to be available on all US carriers with a discount on at least one of them(T-Mo) if you bought it unlocked. There is no CDMA N900 and AFAIK. And up until now most carriers were not very friendly to the BYOP crowd. So the difference here is Google got them to warm up to the idea, even if just for a short (and ultimately unsuccessful) time.

      So there was some significance to this. I'd actually counter that you're looking a bit more like the fanboy in not understanding it/complaining about it. Though I'll grant you the rhetoric that gets tossed around about how X company is gonna revolutionize Y industry is always a bit irritating, even when there is some truth to it.

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    4. Re:Someone needs a history lesson by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure which revisionist idiot informed the general OSS/Google fanboy world that selling unlocked phones directly to consumers was somehow innovating. Nokia has been doing this for years. I bought my last Nokia phone, the E70, well before even the iPhone was out directly via Nokia's website. You can still buy many Nokia products this way, including the venerable N900.

      The prices may not always be the very best you can find but at least they are a trusted source.

      Sony Ericcson sells them directly too (unlocked). Though I don't recall if it's their whole inventory or just select models.

    5. Re:Someone needs a history lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While it may not be innovative, it is a lot better to keep services and products separate. That way the cost doesn't get bundled either and it's clearer for the consumer - how much he's paying for the service and how much for the hardware.

      It also makes competition (and comparison) a lot clearer - manufacturers vs. manufacturers and service providers vs. service providers. There are no holy alliances, no abrupt break-ups leaving the consumer hanging in the middle.

      Living in a country where only iPhones are offered bundled, I find immense freedom in being able to choose a handset and switch services whenever I feel deterioration in network/support/billing. Or whenever there's a cheaper plan to suit my needs.

  17. I'm glad i got mine when i did by Daetrin · · Score: 1

    I have some relatives who work at Google, so i got to play with their Nexus Ones while i was home for the holidays (obviously a marketing angle that didn't impact most people.) I was impressed with the phone, and equally impressed with the ability to buy the hardware upfront and get a cheaper no contract plan from T-Mobile. I ordered one from the website the first day they were available and i've been quite happy with it. (Okay, aside from the stupid "soft" home row keys. Going with those instead of real pressable buttons was a horrible idea, and i find it strange that manufacturers seem to be continuing to make the same stupid decision with newer models.)

    I'm a little worried about this development though, even though i've already got mine. After the closure of the Google store how easy will it be to get unlocked phones in the future? The savings from the no contract data plan will have completely paid the difference for my phone somewhere between 4 and 18 months from now (depending on how i want to count it) so what happens when i decide i want to upgrade to whatever the latest and greatest is? I don't want to get locked into that whole subscriber model again.

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    1. Re:I'm glad i got mine when i did by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      You don't have to worry. T-Mobile is now starting to separate out the phone from the plan. Now instead of getting a "free" phone, they give you an interest free line of credit on the phone. So if you are a frequent upgrade, you don't "have to wait", and if you are not, you don't have to pay past the cost of the phone.

    2. Re:I'm glad i got mine when i did by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      The savings from the no contract data plan will have completely paid the difference for my phone somewhere between 4 and 18 months from now (depending on how i want to count it)

      how many ways are there to cut it? you pay $10 less per month on t-mobile, and no savings at all on other carriers. you pay $350 more overall ($530 vs. $180 subsidized). in 35 months, you'll break even after paying $350 more up front.

      and you have the freedom of not having a contract, which is a good thing.

    3. Re:I'm glad i got mine when i did by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      Actually i pay $30 less a month compared to the identical plan on AT&T. (Although at the time i'm pretty sure AT&T's prices were a little higher, so if i wanted to be a stickler for accuracy i should figure out how many months it was before AT&T dropped their prices in response to the cheaper plans other companies was offering and calculate accordingly.) Verizon's prices seem to be about the same as AT&Ts. Sprint _does_ have a $70 plan that seems to include 500 minutes and unlimited texting and messaging, but their plan selection pages is a bit more confusing than the others.

      The other variable is do i want to consider the upfront price for the phone on the subscription plan to be a sunk cost? ie do i consider myself to be ahead of the game when i've amortized the difference between what i paid and what i would have paid for the subscription version? Or when i've amortized the complete cost of the phone?

      So depending on which carrier i'm comparing it to, and whether or not i track differences in the price plans over time, and whether i want to meet or beat the value of getting the subscription version, the time until i've "paid off" the phone varies by quite a lot.

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  18. Doesn't surprise me by alvinrod · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Compared to the Droid, the sales weren't all that great and they do raise the excellent point that many people want to be able to hold it before they commit to the purchase. Also, there are several other Android phones (e.g. Droid Incredible) that have been described as better than the Nexus One and available on a wider range of carriers. By the end of the summer, the Nexus One won't be state of the art as far as Android phones go so there's no real reason for them to continue selling it.

    I imagine that they're working on a Nexus Two, so they'll eventually replace it with something else. Hopefully they get the customer service bugs worked out next time around, as that may be one of the potential reasons the device didn't sell as well as I expected it to sell.

    1. Re:Doesn't surprise me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google pointedly waited until after the majority of Droid sales died down to release their phone. They wanted to simply raise the bar for phone specs, not turn a profit with the phone - read it on their blog yourself. I would say they were successful if it's not state-of-the-art soon :)

    2. Re:Doesn't surprise me by donatzsky · · Score: 2, Informative

      You may want to read the announcement again.
      Actually they are going to keep selling it - just not directly, but through resellers. In fact it's scheduled to be released across Europe, through Vodafone, sometime soon.

      Rumour has it that the Nexus Two is going to be a slider, made by Motorola, in the style of the Milestone/Droid.

    3. Re:Doesn't surprise me by mlts · · Score: 1

      There is one thing the Nexus One has that very few phones don't -- rootability. Want to root a Nexus One:

      Fire up adb, fastboot the phone, enter in "fastboot oem unlock", then flash whatever image you want.

      Other phones have a lot of roadblocks to custom ROMs, or even rooting it. For example, read-only partitions under Linux that stay read-only even when rooted. Or having fastboot disabled and everything else signed so trying to get root access is a job in itself.

      My first choice with a phone is rootability. And I'm hoping if there is a Nexus Two, it will be as easily rootable as the N1. I'm also hoping Google has an ADP3 that has a modern (1GHz or so) CPU, preferably with a slider keyboard.

    4. Re:Doesn't surprise me by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      Most phones have rootability, just not as easily as the Nexus One. Suffice to say, anyone who would want to root a Nexus One can easily root their Droid, iPhone, or whatever else they might have. The only significant difference is that that you could get root on the Nexus One from day one. The Droid took a few weeks. I can't recall how long it took for the original iPhone, but the more recent versions of the iPhone OS have only taken a few weeks.

      I don't own either a Droid or an iPhone, so I can't speak to the roadblocks you mention, but I have friends with both devices and neither has had any issues when rooting them. If you're the kind of person who needs root, there's a way to do so for pretty much any device. If you don't posses the ability to follow the basic steps needed to root the device, odds are you shouldn't have root anyway.

    5. Re:Doesn't surprise me by mlts · · Score: 2, Informative

      I will give a concrete example of this: Motorola's CLIQ. It has fastboot disabled, and its initial root was done by a RAMDLD exploit. About a month later, it had an OTA radio ROM update. What happened is, if you had a custom ROM on your Cliq and that update went through, you would end up with an inoperable device until you flashed a factory stock .SHX file onto your phone. Of course, guess what? The RAMDLD exploit was fixed, and the phone was made unrootable. Source: modmymoto.com's CLIQ forums.

      Unrootable, until an European carrier had their version of the CLIQ ROM which happened to ship with ro.secure set to 0. This meant you could flash a custom recovery module via adb, then reflash a custom ROM as part of the root process.

      Even HTC has had reports of this (IIRC). Some of their models, if you go to xda-developers, the ROM makers have noticed that some of the filesystems cannot be remounted read-write, even with root.

      The Milestone from Motorola also appears unflashable with a custom ROM: http://androidforums.com/motorola-milestone/44177-motorola-locks-milestone.html

      This is what we don't want. We don't want supposedly open devices which in reality are locked down in subtle ways. This is why that my next phone is going to be a phone that doesn't use hidden signatures, disabled fastboot ROM, or other items to prevent rooting or modding with custom ROMS.

    6. Re:Doesn't surprise me by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      By the end of the summer, the Nexus One won't be state of the art as far as Android phones go so there's no real reason for them to continue selling it.

      considering all the carriers have android phones and they all depend on having shiny new phones to lure in new 2-year contract suckers, you will see a new "state of the art" android phone every quarter from now on.

      i'm completely fine with my N1 not being the top hardware. what i like about it is that it's going to be the first phone running android 2.2, and 2.3, etc. i can assume it will have timely updates. that's something that's no assured for any other android phone and has proven not to be the case.

    7. Re:Doesn't surprise me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the N1 is friendly to modders, I'm sure that you will see a FroYo (Android 2.2) ROM for the phone. If not officially, an unofficial ROM. And future versions, assuming the hardware can keep up with the Android and app specs.

    8. Re:Doesn't surprise me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, what do you think about the idea of selling them (or at least making them available for trying out) through mobile trucks, kind of like those trendy mobile lunch trucks all through out LA and NY.

  19. This is why by Gunegune · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Brick and Mortar" stores aren't going anywhere anytime soon. While there are many people who make almost all their purchases from online retailers, I find that most people would rather go to a B&M store for a purchase.

    All of my friends and relatives make their purchases at B&M stores because they don't have to wait or pay for shipping, they can physically "preview" their purchase, they can pay in cash instead of a paying with a credit/debit card, and it's far easier to make a return on an item. The only reason I've known them to make an online purchase is for a SIGNIFICANT discount (books, hardware, etc.), though, many B&M stores have become very competitive with online retailers.

    NOTE: I am referring to the purchase of physical items in my comment. Most of my friends make software purchases online (i.e. Steam).

    1. Re:This is why by forkazoo · · Score: 1

      "Brick and Mortar" stores aren't going anywhere anytime soon. While there are many people who make almost all their purchases from online retailers, I find that most people would rather go to a B&M store for a purchase.

      All of my friends and relatives make their purchases at B&M stores because they don't have to wait or pay for shipping, they can physically "preview" their purchase, they can pay in cash instead of a paying with a credit/debit card, and it's far easier to make a return on an item. The only reason I've known them to make an online purchase is for a SIGNIFICANT discount (books, hardware, etc.), though, many B&M stores have become very competitive with online retailers.

      NOTE: I am referring to the purchase of physical items in my comment. Most of my friends make software purchases online (i.e. Steam).

      I'd say it's not just that certain people are more attracted to physical stores, as much as certain products attract people to physical stores. There is a lot of stuff that i will order online. Software, as you mentioned, is a good example. RAM and CPU's are also another great example. I don't really care about the physicality of a CPU. All CPU's compatible with my motherboard will be roughly the same size and weight. Same durability of the pins. Even the most extreme l33t case modder is probably not using a see-though heat sink, so the aesthetics of the CPU's appearance will never be important. Consequently, I have no real reason to seek out a physical store for that type of purchase. It's a physical product, but there's no aspect of the physicality that will influence my purchasing decision. So, ordering from newegg saves me a trip, and probably a few dollars.

      In some cases, the heat sink to go on that CPU is a completely different story. If I'm building a special small form factor system, then I may want to hold up the cooler to the case and make sure I have enough room. Maybe double check that the cable for the fan power is long enough to route where I need to plug it in, etc. In that case, I'd almost certainly prefer to buy it in a physical store. Physical store saves me the hassle of returning to newegg, maybe ordering the wrong thing a second time, etc.

      A phone is a thing where physicality is hugely important. Sure, you can read reviews and spec sheets. You could build an accurately sized model of the phone to test putting it in your pocket, and weight it to the correct mass. But, it's really easy and convenient to hold the phone, look at it, play with it, and see if it is something you want to look at and lug around all day.

      I ordered my n900 from newegg, and it was terrifying. Was I going to like the keyboard? the screen? Would it really be convenient in my pocket? I hope the unlocked phone - direct sales model catches on, but the big players like nokia will really need to push themselves into general retail stores in order to pull it off.

    2. Re:This is why by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      Traveling to stores and dealing with clerks is terrifying too. If online stores made returns easier maybe they would get the sales volume to be able to afford to do so.

  20. Methof of sale a failure, Android is not by lanner · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While I it may be that their method of sale/distribution did not succeeded, the phone itself, and Android as an OS, is great. I've never owned a better phone.

    There has been a lot of whining and griefing about the phone itself. I have no idea WTF all the complaints are about. I get great data and voice coverage (I hear TMobile isn't the best, but it satisfies me), and the only bug I've ever had is that the ringer sound will stop working about once a month -- I have to reboot.

  21. All smartphones are flops in Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because carriers are fucking greedy bastards. Not everyone can afford $80 per month with lame caps and 3-years contracts.

  22. Not limited to Nexus One by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've never seen a nexus in the wild.

    It's not limited to Nexus One. I haven't seen a Maemo/MeeGo phone in the wild either. Today, to prove a point, I walked into three different local stores and asked to try a Nokia N900 phone. None of them had one. Is this commonplace for geek-friendly phones?

    1. Re:Not limited to Nexus One by lennier1 · · Score: 1

      Same here. I bought my N900 last December through Amazon and some stores didn't start carrying it until early March. Even then it only popped up in a few stores here and there, the kind run by contract package resellers (e.g. mobilcom in Germany).

    2. Re:Not limited to Nexus One by CRCulver · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even in Finland there aren't too many Nokia N900s to be seen. I've seen iPhones all the time, and Nokia's lesser (Symbian-based) phones, but the company doesn't seem to know how or even if to market the N900. I played with one in a shop and liked it, and it's the only one of the current smartphones that would give me the hacking environment and freedom that I want, but with Maemo being phased out for something called MeeGo that might not even run on the N900, I'm too nervous that this phone is at something of a deadend support-wise. I'm holding out to see what Nokia's MeeGo device looks like.

    3. Re:Not limited to Nexus One by reub2000 · · Score: 1

      I was playing with one a few months ago at the Nokia store in Chicago.

  23. No discount for bringing your own phone by tepples · · Score: 1

    unfortunately AT&T is the only reliable service provider around here

    Uh, it was sold unlocked and working with every service provider.

    Unlike T-Mobile, AT&T gives no discount on the service for bringing your own phone.

  24. Even More Plus by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wait, what savings do you get over time from going off contract?

    Unlike AT&T, T-Mobile has a discount if you buy your phone up front.

    1. Re:Even More Plus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, they just recently introduced that. But no other carrier has it.

    2. Re:Even More Plus by tepples · · Score: 1

      T-Mobile has a discount if you buy your phone up front

      Yeah, they just recently introduced that. But no other carrier has it.

      Did you mean "no other carrier serving the United States has it"?

  25. Try before buy by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can still buy many Nokia products this way, including the venerable N900.

    But where can I try an N900? I walked into three different stores today and none of them had one. Given the price of return shipping and restocking fees, I prefer to try the display, keypad/touch screen, and hand feel of a phone before I spend over $500 for one.

    1. Re:Try before buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is wrong these days. You cant really touch a WORKING model in the stores, just plastic shit ones.
      Mine 5800 was hard to find, but because it's cheap and "has it all" it took the win from iphone & nexus clearly.

      Have you thinked a lifetime of a phone ? it's 2 year max. It's crasy to spend 600$ just for the HW of a phone (+ stupid far&beer toy for iphonists) in every 2 years!

    2. Re:Try before buy by mlts · · Score: 1

      Two years max? I was content with my Windows Mobile phone (a HTC Wizard) for its lifetime of over four years. It wasn't handled with kid gloves either (although it wasn't spilled on, dropped, or roughly handled.)

      There is a good reason to spend that much on a phone these days. For me, a phone can do a good amount of functions a laptop can. It also serves as a functional equivalent [1] of: a MP3 player, a PDA, a GPS receiver, a SecurID keyfob, and even random stuff, such as a compass, an XM radio player, a VT100 terminal, a SSH client, a so-so camera, a video camera, a Game Boy, and a wireless router with tethering. Having all these discrete devices would easily amount to this cost. For what a decent smartphone does these days, it is a comparative bargain compared to just what a PDA sold for just 3-4 years ago, where an iPaq sold for $600 or higher.

      So, for a device that lasts 4 years that offers a lot of functionality, and the fact that it is something I use daily, so the ratio for money spent for time used is very good.

      [1]: Well, not really a 100% functional equivalent. I'd say 50%-90% of the features, but better than nothing. For example, Android's MP3 player is pretty Spartan when it comes to features, but it does the job. Or the GPS directions require an app with a monthly subscription.

    3. Re:Try before buy by medcalf · · Score: 1

      Have you thinked a lifetime of a phone ? it's 2 year max. It's crasy to spend 600$ just for the HW of a phone (+ stupid far&beer toy for iphonists) in every 2 years!

      Not so. My Samsung i500 lasted for about 5 years. I only got rid of it because the iPhone came out, and the scratches on the i500's screen after that much use made it annoying. If the iPhone hadn't come out, I'd probably have tried to buy a used i500.

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  26. The consumer had lost by notjustchalk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is really too bad. Up here in Canada, we're stuck with disgusting 3 year contracts (the 2 year ones have hardly any discount) with egregious profiteering (world's highest text msg prices for instance) and a culture of neglect after you've bought a phone from our oligopoly of carriers. The N1, expensive as it was, really was the best option for a good, unlocked, and free (as in freedom) smartphone. Any Android you get up here will assuredly be abandoned by the carriers - after all, new firmware means less sales according to the carrier. It really meant that the only consistently upgrade friendly Android phone was the N1.

    Where I think Google failed was in not offering more choice like a certain fruit-labelled, obsessed-with-lock-in software maker. After all ~$500 for a phone, cheap though it may be over the long run, is a psychologically difficult barrier to overcome. I do believe, however, that having a few options that were cheaper (with appropriately pared down features) could have made it a more profitable venture. Sadly, I would have bought an N1 in the near future, but now it looks like I'll be sticking with my dumbphone.

    Furthermore, trusting people to make buying decisions on long term fiscal calculations (without any assistance), might have been ambitious in retrospect. Maybe putting a cost calculator on the N1 website might have helped?

    1. Re:The consumer had lost by wintermute000 · · Score: 1

      I got mine on ebay (australia) couldn't be happier.
      Sure you pay extra 5-10% but sounds like you really wanted an N1 free of contract.
      Just make sure your seller is reputable, mine had over 1k feedback on 100% so I was more than happy to buy from them.

    2. Re:The consumer had lost by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Sadly, I would have bought an N1 in the near future, but now it looks like I'll be sticking with my dumbphone.

      Why? What's stopping you from driving down there and grabbing one for yourself? They aren't stopping sales completely, just online ones.

      (That said, I'm glad I bought it for myself and my wife while they were still selling and shipping it to Canada. Saved me the hassle.)

    3. Re:The consumer had lost by ArmchairGeneral · · Score: 1

      I feel the pain as well, I was planning on purchasing the N1 shortly, and I still might as they said they will be phasing the online store out as other carriers adopt it. But I came to the realization that there are other Android phones out there that are making their way into Canada as we speak. I am hoping for the HTC EVO to get here, but not holding my breath. The site puremobile.ca gives you the chance to buy outright many models of handsets.

  27. disappointed by shooteur · · Score: 1

    Didn't even make it to Australia. Looking for a replacement for my Nokia 5800 (Great phone, but nothing from Nokia in regards to accessories and being almost ignored a month or two past it's original sale here), I was interested in seeing this phone making it to Australia for sale, outright free from a plan, Android phone with dedicated support from Google. Instead, we have the HTC Desire (a Nexus One with a few extra buttons, exclusive to one carrier here), which will probably be a flavour of the month phone, until the next HTC is pimped out. It's been the same with a few other smart phones getting ignored here. As a result I've sold out to the Fruit Phone, outright, on the basis of it won't be a flavour phone of the month by the manufacture, and pretty much rules the accessory market. I was hoping the Google would of done the same with the Nexus One, along the lines of the fruit company.

  28. Not a failure in one aspect: Unlocked by Rog7 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a high-profile unlocked phone, the Nexus One has seemed to have had an effect on carriers here in Canada.

    Bell, Telus and Rogers have all been friendly about just putting a SIM card into the Nexus One and using it. I don't know if it's been an official policy at these carriers or not, but previously getting an unlocked phone onto anything but prepaid has been a pain, I was often met with resistance at the stores ("Oh no, you can't do that").

    Now, even with other unlocked phones, the stores have been a lot more receptive about getting you on their network.

    It may not have sold in spectacular numbers and many consumers have no clue it exists, but the reps in the stores know this phone very well.

    1. Re:Not a failure in one aspect: Unlocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was Roger's way of doing things. The agent had the nerve to give me the excuse that they don't know me as a reason that I had to have a contract. As if my reputation was as sullied as theirs is.
      I ended up going to Fido who is owned by them.

      I used to be with Bell but had switched to Fido for the unlocked phone feature. At the time, Bell and Telus did not have the technology for SIM cards. That changed thanks in part to the Winter Olympics I believe as they wanted to be ready for the incoming people from all over the world that would want to put a sim card in they're unlocked phones.

      So it's not a situation that was changed by the arrival of the Nexus One.

    2. Re:Not a failure in one aspect: Unlocked by Timmmm · · Score: 2, Informative

      If it's GSM you don't need your network's approval to use an unlocked phone. At least, not in any sane country.

    3. Re:Not a failure in one aspect: Unlocked by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Bell, Telus and Rogers have all been friendly about just putting a SIM card into the Nexus One and using it.

      Er, what other option do they have? What can they do to prevent you from doing just that?

      My contract is with Fido, and I definitely didn't even tell them that I'm switching phones. Just put the SIM into my new N1 - which worked right away, of course - and then requested a switch to a 3G plan through online support. They didn't ask anything at that point, either.

  29. Opening to other markets would have helped? by dindi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, maybe if most people would not have gotten the "not available in your country or region", most people would have ordered online. I wanted one, and I am happy I did not: I tried a colleague's Nexus one, and found to phone to be ... well .. not satisfactory...

    While Android is a cool thing, after an iPhone all HTC phones feel like cheap plasticky toys. And do not even get me started on the touch screen.

    I am in the search for a 850Mhz HSDPA Android phone for some time and haven't found a unit that even remotely challenges the iPhone's quality. Maybe when idroidproject advances a little I can have my 2G running Android....

    1. Re:Opening to other markets would have helped? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Telstra in AU runs on 850mhz 3G and there are HTC Desires that you can buy from AU that run on that frequency.

    2. Re:Opening to other markets would have helped? by dindi · · Score: 1

      thanks ... i mentioned though, that i am not so fond of the HTC quality :)

  30. Re:While android is leading iphone by quickgold192 · · Score: 1

    But the carriers will be less happy, since they charge the same for a plan whether or not you buy a phone through them. With the Nexus One, the customer pays for the whole phone, AND pays the full service price.

    Carriers need to stop being phone vendors and need to start being service-providers. Customers should be able to see what part of their plan is funding their service, and what part is paying off their phone. That's the only way to create price-competition between phone manufacturers: show the customers what they're really paying for their phone instead of hiding the price in the service plan.

  31. The 'unlocked' price was too high... by cowmix · · Score: 1

    I have to imagine that if the unlocked price was below $400 (or even the price of a locked phone) it would of sold like hot cakes but unfortunately I think Google had too many external pressures to that prevented them from pricing it accordingly.

    Instead, Google *flooded* the net with ads for the N1 hoping their marketing muscle would overcome all other obstacles.

    1. Re:The 'unlocked' price was too high... by Timmmm · · Score: 1

      Yeah like, the fact that the phone costs more than $400.

      You *always* pay full price for the phone. To phone companies, 'subsidy' is another word for 'monthly payment plan'.

    2. Re:The 'unlocked' price was too high... by NNKK · · Score: 1

      Materials cost alone for smartphones runs $150-200. Factor in R&D, manufacturing, freight/shipping, support, general cost of doing business (insurance, attorneys, ...), 15-20% profit margin, and a $400 price tag starts looking impractical.

      Make no mistake, the price of a subsidized phone really _is_ heavily subsidized. For smartphones, carriers usually pay the manufacturer $200-300 over what they charge the customer up-front, and that's _after_ they've negotiated volume discounts.

    3. Re:The 'unlocked' price was too high... by Totenglocke · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, due to the reduced monthly fee with T-Mobile if you bought the phone unlocked, after 2 years savings the phone would cost around $55 - so about $145 LESS than if you bought the phone subsidized by a 2-year contract. The real reason for the "failure" you speak of is that the overwhelming majority of Americans suck at math.

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    4. Re:The 'unlocked' price was too high... by LiENUS · · Score: 1

      phone with plan costs 179, 2 years at 20$ extra per month is 480. 179+480 == 659... 659- the 529 non contract price is 130... so the phone costs -130$ yes.. indeed americans are bad at math.

  32. Re:While android is leading iphone by Locutus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    yes, this was the phone Google wanted HTC to make and most likely the phone they wanted others to make. Before the N1, all the other Android phones were underpowered ~600MHz ARM9 based instead of using any of the other ARM Cortex a8 chips which were available. It seemed to me that Google wanted to up the ante for what it meant to be an Android phone and from the number of kick butt Android phones on the market, the N1 did was it would appear it was supposed to do.

    Apple will have to leapfrog what the N1 and others put out there and it's all good. It would have been nice if customers took to purchasing the N1 off contract to put pressure on the carriers to provide more options but we can't have it all at once.

    LoB

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  33. Re:While android is leading iphone by beakerMeep · · Score: 1

    I think the same could probably also be said (to a lesser extent) of the hardware vendors. I can't imagine Motorola, Samsung, LG, et al. we're thrilled that HTC was the only maker of the 'official' Google Phone.

    To be honest, it seemed like a bad idea from the start. But it's too bad -- the Nexus One is the sleekest and one of the most powerful of the Android phones. I really think it's sexier looking than an iphone from a industrial design perspective.

    Really though, the mistake was not getting Verizon and Sprint on board and letting them sell it in their stores. I think Google tried to take too big of a step at once. I still think they can make a significant impact on the way phones are made, sold and used; but they should have gone for baby steps instead of trying to drag the entire industry kicking and screaming into a business model that carriers probably didn't see as mutually beneficial. .

    Carriers are desperate to differentiate themselves. And with the Android Market they lose both a revenue stream, and a way to differentiate themselves since mobile apps are taken out of their hands. I think they probably saw the Nexus One as a pointless deal that had little to no upside If Google had given them some kinda sweet contract deal, they might have done it, and we would have been one step closer to device portability (with many steps, including technology hurdles, still left to come). But I just got the feeling Google tried to take 10 steps towards device portability and the elimination of the racketeering cartel power of the carriers, and they just were having none of that.

    That said, I still am contemplating buying an N1, but I would have liked to see it on Verizon.

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  34. Just in time by deadhammer · · Score: 1

    Ordered mine last week, got it in Wednesday. Very lucky, as it's not a bad phone in the slightest.

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  35. Real Issue by sonicmerlin · · Score: 1

    Look, here's the real issue. If you bring your own phone in the US, you pay the same price as everyone else. In the EU almost everyone brings their own phone by buying one outright because monthly plans are MUCH cheaper that way. Only idiots or uneducated fools agree to 2 year contracts for smartphones because you end up paying much, much more per month and over the lifetime of the contract.

    The US carriers have brainwashed people into thinking they're getting a "subsidy" with the 2 year contract. They're not: it's a LOAN for the phone that you must pay huge interest rates on. There are two problems with this:

    1. Invoices do not break down the monthly plans to show the cost of that loan, so there's no way to know how much you're actually spending over 2 years on the phone.

    2. People who bring their own phone and thus don't need the loan, *still have to pay for the loan*.

    The first point is important because people have no way of knowing that they're being gouged by carriers with unwanted loan schemes.

    The second point is important in that this is extortion, and is illegal. The government is simply too weak-kneed to take on the telecom industry. As a consequence there is absolutely no incentive to bring your own phone in the US or buy them outright. In Europe buying outright saves you thousands of dollars over two years. In the US it does nothing for you. Americans thus make the rational economic choice by going for the contracts.

    1. Re:Real Issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US carriers have brainwashed people into thinking they're getting a "subsidy" with the 2 year contract.

      Uh, guy, as long as my monthly bill is the same regardless if I get the phone from my provider or not, it's a subsidy. Like it or not, that's the way the math works. You even admit it at the end of your post but seem too lunkheaded to see it for what it is.

      The government is simply too weak-kneed to take on the telecom industry

      I don't often do this but... BWAHAHAHAHA! Do you really think that this is the case? Please.

      The government also practices extortion using your standards. What else do you call the federal government dangling tax payer funds over state government's heads in order to get state governments to pass laws that the federal government has no jurisdiction in? If you need more of a clue look up how the states have been treated in matters where they defied the federal government like drinking age, speed limits and marijuana legislation. The government doesn't view this as extortion, it views it as a standard business practice. Until people pull their heads from their asses and make some real noise about this nothing is going to change.

      Does it suck? Sure. Do the people deserve it? Fucking A they do. I'm sick of the sniveling shits acting like they deserve better. They deserve to be bent over for not being more mindful of what they voted into office.

    2. Re:Real Issue by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      T-Mobile has just changed this. They now call the loan a loan and it is itemized seperately. I suspect that they expect to sell people phones more frequently this way with the rapid pace of improvement in the cell phone market.

  36. If you're going to bypass the carriers ... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    If you're going to bypass the carriers then why not actually sell the phones to the customers who want them. I'm inclined to say that some of the people who would have tried the online store would have been the ones who's local carriers aren't offering the Nexus One.

    Just like here in Australia where Vodafone have been "planning" to release this phone since it was frigging announced. I got sick of waiting so I checked out google's online store. "This product is not available in your location". Well great. Thanks a lot. Spent my money on beer instead.

    1. Re:If you're going to bypass the carriers ... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Just like here in Australia where Vodafone have been "planning" to release this phone since it was frigging announced. I got sick of waiting so I checked out google's online store. "This product is not available in your location". Well great. Thanks a lot. Spent my money on beer instead.

      Expansys AU - A$860
      Expansys UK - GBP 480 (A$790)

      I bought the Milestone instead.

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  37. Re:While android is leading iphone by beakerMeep · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With T-mobile you can get a cheaper plan if you buy the phone outright, but your point holds true with the AT&T version of the phone I think.

    If you buy the phone outright, you pay $50/month, if you buy it subsidized with a 2 year contract it's $80/month.

    $80*24 = $1920 Buy phone outright: $529 Buy subsidized phone: $179 So if you spend $350 more now, you save $1920 later for a net gain of $1570.

    It's the dirty little secret of the wireless industry. They are subsidizing the phone by loaning you $350 for which you you pay them back over 5 times as much over 2 years. It's usury, and it should be illegal.

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  38. From an N900 user... by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    Seconded. Nokia simply keeps things reasonably open, moreso than the repackaged HTC phones.

    The apps are out there, and you don't have to worry about stepping on someone's revenue stream(whether it be Google's or Apple's).

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  39. Needed for AT&T by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

    The Nexus one is needed for AT&T. Currently the only phone running Android is the crappy Motorola Backflip which doesn't even have Google as a search engine and is intentionally crippled, let alone the terrible hardware.

    T-Mobile has a good selection, Verizon a great selection and Sprint has several great phones. AT&T however, is crap.

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    1. Re:Needed for AT&T by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      The Nexus one is needed for AT&T.

      Google released another version of the NexusOne for AT&T's 3G network 1-2 months ago.

      I didn't even know about it for a while because it didn't hit the news wires as hard as when it debuted.

      I think it is/was about the same price as the T-Mobile, though AT&T doesn't offer a discount on the monthly fee if you use a non-subsidized phone. So the cost-to-own is higher on AT&T.

  40. Re:While android is leading iphone by beakerMeep · · Score: 2, Informative

    Whoops math fail. Forgot to account for the difference. It should read 30*24 = 720, so you are paying $350 up front for $720 in savings.

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  41. humm by luther349 · · Score: 0

    well if they still offer the nexus one on every career then there still doing what they wanted to do. or a better way is not to allow careers to lock the phone. so your still buying a unlocked phone just with a contract if you like.

  42. Expansys by ickleberry · · Score: 1

    I assume online retailers will continue to sell the phones unlocked. I will never again buy another phone which tells me what network I can use it on despite it's technical ability to connect to other networks. I wish the practice of locking phones would be banned in every country. It works out much cheaper for me since I can get SIM-only contracts or if I get sick of those go back to prepaid which is only marginally more expensive.

    Phone service in the USA sucks, I get 250mb data and 50 minutes for 15 eur a month and if I'm close enough to a decent Node B I can use the 250MB to make calls using the pre-installed Nokia SIP client which would likely have been removed if I had bought the phone through a network.

    1. Re:Expansys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Phone service in the USA sucks, I get 250mb data and 50 minutes for 15 eur a month

      Meh. I get 10 GB's and 600 minutes for the equivalent of 45 euros a month on my G1 with T-Mobile.

    2. Re:Expansys by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      I will never again buy another phone which tells me what network I can use it on despite it's technical ability to connect to other network

      i hope you don't live in the US. all US carriers are incompatible. you can unlock the phone all you like but you can't switch to a different carrier because of their networks are incompatible. okay you *can* do AT&T t-mo, but you lose 3G when you switch which is a deal-killer for almost anyone with a smart phone.

  43. I'd Buy The Phone by Greyfox · · Score: 1
    I'd have actually considered buying the Nexus One except for a couple of issues. The first was that tethering (Something a Nokia E70 I purchased over five years ago was able to do easily) was left out. I don't want to browse the web on a fucking postage-stamp-sized screen on a cellphone when I could be doing it on my laptop. Second, the Nexus One was already being overshadowed by newer HTC phones, some of which allow the kind of tethering I want to do (Albeit at a price.) All of that made the package rather underwhelming.

    I'm eying Sprint's HTC phone as a very possible migration path off my first generation Iphone. Android looks good, and the development platform looks like it's well thought-out. It would be nice to have a cell phone that could deliver a web page faster than the local sandwich joint could deliver a sandwich, whether or not I'm using my laptop to browse it.

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    1. Re:I'd Buy The Phone by garompeta · · Score: 1
      I have a Nexus One, unlocked, rooted and it flies with cyanogen.
      If you are not willing to mod your nexus one, I would say that you are missing the real fun.

      The modded version is MUCH MORE responsive and faster than the original from Google, it is much more optimized and it is really palpable. Another thing is that now I have many options to do including wireless tethering (from two different projects, through Bluetooth or Wifi), I can even use the Camera LED Flash as a flashlight. It is simply awesome. My 530 bucks are well spent.

    2. Re:I'd Buy The Phone by ErikZ · · Score: 1

      The price was what I had a problem with.

      It was estimated the phone cost 180$ to make. If they were selling them for 360$ I would have bought one by now.

      530$ is far too much for something that might last two years.

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    3. Re:I'd Buy The Phone by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Tethering on N1 - including working as a WiFi hotspot - is coming in Android 2.2, which, IIRC, is scheduled for release by the end of this month.

      In the meantime, there are a bunch of apps on the Market which let you tether over USB if you have a client installed on the box - e.g. here's one. The problem is that most don't bother with Linux, and many don't bother with OS X, either. If you just want it for Windows, though, then it's all there already.

      And Linux users? They normally root the phone anyway, at which point they can set up tethering in any way they want.

    4. Re:I'd Buy The Phone by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      it doesn't allow tethering because the carriers wouldn't allow the phone on their network if it did. pretty simple. there are unofficial ways to tether android phones even without rooting them.

    5. Re:I'd Buy The Phone by garompeta · · Score: 1

      Two years? Damn I forgot about Moore's law... NOT! I am still using my 486dx4, my Pentium III and my Inspiron 6000.
      Moore's law is valid only if you are willing to follow the heard. Do you really need Windows 7? Do you really need more than 2mbps? Do you really "need" a gaming system?
      What I need is a phone and a pda, nothing more nothing less. Anything beyond Nexus One is simply superfluous for me.

  44. iPhone floor models work by tepples · · Score: 1

    That is wrong these days. You cant really touch a WORKING model in the stores, just plastic shit ones.

    Every iPod and iPhone display model that I've seen in a store has been a working unit, not a gutted unit with no motherboard and a sticker for a screen.

    Have you thinked a lifetime of a phone ? it's 2 year max.

    Carriers who want to get you onto another contract after two years want you to think that. I've had my current dumb-phone for at least five years.

  45. Re:While android is leading iphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows Mobile

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA...ha...ha...*takes a breath*...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......

  46. Re:While android is leading iphone by babyrat · · Score: 1

    Checking the prices on t-mobile.com, it appears the difference is $80 vs $60 so you are paying $350 up front for $480 in savings. Not sure about t-mobile, but with Verizon, and AT&T you are eligible for upgrade pricing on phones after 20 months of your contract, so assuming you want to upgrade in 20 months, it's $350 vs $400 which is $50 on $350 over 20 months, which is quite a nice interest rate compared to credit cards.

  47. Re:It never should have sold one in the first plac by babyrat · · Score: 1

    right - they haven't considered it...

    And how are they throwing in the towel? Instead of distributing the pone on the web, they will have it in countless physical stores around the world. And for those who don't like stores and want to buy online? I'm guessing that every provider that sells the phone will make it available on their website.

  48. Re:It never should have sold one in the first plac by stephanruby · · Score: 1

    They're spending fortunes on ads, right now,

    You mean: The carriers and/or the Manufacturers are spending a fortune on ads. So far, I've mostly seen Droid commercials, not really Nexus commercials.

  49. advertising works by annenk38 · · Score: 1

    Well, Verizon spent $100 million on initial advertising push, and sold over a million units. Google spent $0 on advertising and sold 135 thousand units in the same period of time. Advertising works, folks. Google, which makes the bulk of its cash from advertising should have known that.

  50. See You at the Google Store by Frankenshteen · · Score: 1

    "selling phones directly to customers — has failed" Until they go brick an mortar - bound to do it eventually.

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  51. dew neh by Mana+Mana · · Score: 0

    >>>
    if you pay full price, you could get $20 / month off the t-mobile plans for people who are not on 2 year contracts, that worked out to be less than getting the 2 year plan over 2 years.
    >>>

    Time and again I hear shit like this over the last 3-5 years that one day I called t-mobile, 2.5 years after my 1 year contract expired to get off a 1,000 minutes, no roaming fee, long distance included plan I was on that I barely cracked 50 minutes a month on. I was summarily told downgrading to the $29 low minutes plan I wanted required entering a contract! Even though I did not want a free phone, my current working phone was fine, and I was out of contract and free to walk away, AND, just the past month when I inquired it was possible to downgrade just as I wanted. No can do, came the reply. What about the unadvertised bring your own phone, no contract, higher cost sometimes plans I hear my friend Slashdot always mention. No such thing, sir, I was told. Told twice by diffferent reps, on different days!

    That was late 2008, early 2009. I was told to sign up for the prepaid tmobile offerings at shitty, gotcha, fine print rates. I had read that night in the newspaper how it costs cell carriers 200-300 dollars to acquire new customers, and I mentioned it to the rep, she couldn't have cared less. Have you actually called tmobile lately to get the rates, plans you mention? I couldn't find a way to downgrade then either online, or via customer service operator. Frankly when it comes to cell plans I don;'t believe 90% of the plan talk I hear you guys fling around. I checked, your citations failed. Caveat lector.

    1. Re:dew neh by ctd1500 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Really? You checked?
      They are kind of new, they came along with all of the "Project Dark" talk that was going around back in October. Even More Plus plans, no contract, and $20 cheaper than the corresponding standard Even More contract plans.

      Have you actually called tmobile lately to get the rates, plans you mention? I couldn't find a way to downgrade then either online, or via customer service operator.

      I just switched from a contract plan to a contract-free plan a few days ago. Unfortunately there was an error on the my.t-mobile site so I had to call them, but it still only took about 10 minutes to get everything switched over.

  52. Litany of the Saints by Mana+Mana · · Score: 1

    The problem with the N1 is that there is no value in it. Nothing indispensable about it. There was talk before the first Android phone rolled out, after the billion dollar FCC airwaves auction of a couple years ago, in which Google disrupted the field by promising to bid an order of magnitude higher than expected by the cell industry players. It was rumored that rather than antagonize the carriers, their partners to be, their future by competing in their bailiwick -- voice/voice-data plans -- Google would partner with the likes of downtrodden Sprint, prepaid phone companies that resell the bandwidth of VZW, say, MetroPCS types and offer an Android phone with ONLY a data plan. Unheard of in the cell industry. VOIP, and data the thinking went would draw the digirati, and Google's web offerings would seduce the rest. Nothing came of the rumors. I think it's a brilliant idea, and I would for one buy an Android phone, with a sub $50 monthly data plan, and use it and Google services with abandon. I do now! Fuck, you should hear me scream at my Garmin, or Google 411's dolt AI when I can't find what I'm looking for quickly enough. I like, I consume their ads, shit I disable ABP, NoScript, and other shit on their properties because I want the ads. I shut them off however when I want to sift through lots of data and I'm on modem speeds; I would't do that if I could use my affordable Android phone all day long, even on EDGE or whatever.

    Google, I hope you're reading this.

    1. Re:Litany of the Saints by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      here's what indispensable about the N1: upgrades.

      the single biggest complaint about android is fragmentation across OS versions. in other words, manufacturers aren't spending the $ to upgrade the version of android for their phones, and carriers don't even want them to anyway because that just means they have to educate their support staff again.

      apple of course already figured this out. they get away with releasing a phone every year, where at the end of the cycle it's down right outdated. nobody complains though because over that year they are continuously getting bug fixes and feature updates delivered to their phone. not only do they not complain, they are happy to pay a premium for such a phone because unlike almost every other phone out there it's not a throw-away after a year.

  53. Re:While android is leading iphone by DangerFace · · Score: 1

    Hmm. Here in the UK on Orange I got my phone (a Cliq/Dext - I know, I know, but it's been good to me at least) effectively for free - a SIM only package with unlimited texts, calls and ~500MB data would have been £25/month. My package, with a free phone? £25/month.

    Then again, there is some serious competition in our marketplace. Not a lot, but some. Go regulated markets!

  54. Re:While android is leading iphone by farble1670 · · Score: 1

    nah. it's $10 diff between contract and non-contract plans on t-mo.

    no plan: $530 phone + $60 / month * 2 years = $1970
    plan : $180 phone + $70 / month * 2 years = $1860

    so yeah, it works out about the same actually ... except with no plan, you have the freedom to tell them to get lost if they aren't providing the service you want.

  55. Re:The carriers have won...here's an OLD idea... by Bob_Who · · Score: 1

    Lets make it ILLEGAL for corporate blood sucker carriers to monopolize any free markets and terms. Lets get retro and smash AT&T back into a bunch of Baby Bells, again. Then we'll hear a pin drop for a better price, better service, and a Sprint policy of correcting any billing overcharges because the customer is always right. While were at it, we'll turn back the clock to before Verizon contracts were spawned by Satan...then lets....I better quit while I'm ahead, before any nudity or violence occurs.

  56. The world outside the US ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No wonder it failed. They never even sold it outside the US.

  57. another example of shit no one wants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no keyboard no thanks, I'll stick with my G1.

  58. Re:While android is leading iphone by rnswebx · · Score: 1

    Whoops math fail. Forgot to account for the difference. It should read 30*24 = 720, so you are paying $350 up front for $720 in savings.

    Math fail again? :) You didn't subtract the $350 from $720 to show the actual savings.

    Prepay for phone: $50*24 + 529 ($1729)
    2yr contract: $80*24 + 179 ($2099)

    So, in exchange for paying an extra $350 up front for your phone, you'll save a grand total of $370 over 2 years (~$15.42/month). I guess that's worth something.

  59. Features, not web store why I didn't buy by MrRed · · Score: 1

    Throwing in the towel after only one model?

    Maybe some of us didn't buy in because the Nexus One didn't have the feature set we wanted, not because we didn't like to buy things online or preferred to go with a contract (duh).

  60. Re:While android is leading iphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the hell...how old are you, 13?

  61. Re:While android is leading iphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, just the poor 30 something year old sucker that went through WinMo 2003, WinMo5, and WinMo6 for over 5 years because there was essentially nothing else on the market offering the "functionality". Going from that garbage to Android was like when Dorothy stepped out of black and white and into color. The suck of WinMo is too profound for words so when someone actually says something as stupid as the GP did in somehow praising it, one can only laugh.

  62. Outside of New York and Chicago? by tepples · · Score: 1

    in Chicago

    So the N900 is for people who live in New York, NY, or Chicago, IL, or otherwise within cycling distance of a Nokia flagship store. What phone should geeks who live in the rest of the country buy?

  63. Re:It never should have sold one in the first plac by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1

    I know a couple now former Motorola VP's (Left the sinking ship) and basically they stated that the future were in services, not the devices, at least if they wanted to make money. But Motorola won't enter the services game because they don't want to damage relationships with their existing customers (telecos) by offering any type of competing services.

    Google makes money by getting eyeballs to serve ads too. They are in the service business and make that money whether or not an Android phone is made by Motorola or HTC or whomever.

    The telecos have realized this as well. They look at what Apple's done with the iPhone and it won't be long before the carriers move to lock down Android to only their marketplace. It's already happening in Australia according my friends down there. Want to buy an app, they block the google marketplace and you can only buy apps from their store.

    The carriers look at being about to take a 30% cut in every app sold to their customers as a way to maximize revenue per customer (Their holy metric). And they look at what happened to AT&T and how they pretty much got turned into the dumb pipe for the iPhone.

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    "The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money" - Thatcher.
  64. Of course it didn't work, Google used T-Mobile by Raul+Acevedo · · Score: 1

    What is the number one complaint against the iPhone, Android's main competitor? The fact that it's only available on one network, AT&T, and it sucks.

    So what network does Google decide to use for its flagship phone? The one carrier that is worse than AT&T: T-Mobile.

    I mean seriously, what did you expect?

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    In a real emergency, we would have all fled in terror, and you would not have been notified.
    1. Re:Of course it didn't work, Google used T-Mobile by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      What is the number one complaint against the iPhone, Android's main competitor? The fact that it's only available on one network, AT&T, and it sucks.

      So what network does Google decide to use for its flagship phone? The one carrier that is worse than AT&T: T-Mobile.

      I mean seriously, what did you expect?

      I'm late to the game, but thought I should point out.

      Google/HTC released a NexusOne on AT&T's network a few months ago. It handles AT&T's frequencies and everything. Of course, it making it debut on T-Mobile was weak since T-Mobile's network is quite poor in comparison with AT&T. Fine, some cities might have great coverage but suburbia can really stink... and I don't even want to think about the mid-west.

      Unfortunately it was too little, too late. Plus unlike T-Mobile, I don't believe AT&T has a cheaper plan if you are going to use your own cellphone. So the cost-to-own an AT&T NexusOne was on the high side.

      It looks like Verizon's getting some decent Android phones, one of which looks like the NexusOne but with an optical trackpad.

  65. Re:It never should have sold one in the first plac by donstenk · · Score: 1

    They're spending fortunes on ads, right now, they must have the money to spare. I don't think they've considered what they're doing

    They own the online advertising platform, and it is well possible they are filling the gaps in advertising created by the recession.

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    Dennis Onstenk
  66. Re:It never should have sold one in the first plac by mjwx · · Score: 1
    It was doomed from the start.

    Bosh. I paid for my Nexus One outright, and I probably wouldn't have even looked at it if I had to stop in at one of the phone stores. Those places are sleazy.

    Google's biggest mistake was only selling the N1 in the US where people don't like buying a phone outright. The demand from Europe, Australia and Asia was fairly high compared to the US but we had to wait for 3rd party resellers to get it and then pay a premium (US$520 != A$900 at a 0.9:1 exchange rate). They should have made more deals with carriers, personally I'd prefer the N1 over a Desire as I like the vanilla Android interface over HTC Sense as of right now I can only get the Desire in Australia from a carrier (but then again I bought a Milestone (GSM Droid) outright for A$550).

    It's unfortunate that Google is throwing in the towel so quickly. They're spending fortunes on ads, right now, they must have the money to spare.

    Google understands the Sunk Cost fallacy, they realise that they don't have the expertise and resources to maintain a retail front for one product and that it would be far easier to let 3rd parties such as existing phone retailers and carriers to sell the product. This store pretty much fell into the "too hard" and "too expensive" basket.

    Google clearly did not have the experience nessasary to deal directly with the public (and I'm an Android fan). Google has realised this and rather then trying to haphazardly throw money at it to fix it they've written it off as a bad idea and terminated it. Google can still get the N1 (N2 and N3) out there, but through intermediaries who are set up to deal with the public.

    But I do love my Android phone. It could stand minor hardware tweaking. The software resources are phenomenal.

    Having owned a HTC Dream and Motorola Milestone as well as having several mates with N1's I'm confident to say that Android is going from strength to strength.

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    Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
  67. So Sad Over No CDMA by TheNinjaroach · · Score: 1

    There are no GSM carriers who offer 3G access in my corner of the state, but both Verizon and Sprint work just fine. It's too bad the Nexus One never came out for CDMA networks because I've been wanting one for the last six months. Of course, the reason I want one so bad is important to the situation: my coworker happens to have one, so I've got to hold it in my hands and see exactly how sweet it is for myself. Had I never actually got to use one, I would have never ventured $500 on Google's word: "Trust us, it's sweet."

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    I went to eat some animal crackers and the box said, "Do not eat if seal is broken." I opened the box and sure enough..
    1. Re:So Sad Over No CDMA by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      Verizon now has the HTC Incredible, which looks to be very similar to the NexusOne. It has a few changes, in my opinion for the better.

    2. Re:So Sad Over No CDMA by TheNinjaroach · · Score: 1

      But the back of them is so, so ugly. Actually on second look, they aren't as ugly as some of the preview pics that I saw but I would still prefer a smooth back.

      I'd also prefer to get an Android on my 5+ year old (that is, "cheap") Sprint plan as well. I've got my eye out on the Samsung Galaxy S now, since the HTV Evo would cost me a mean $25 more per month.

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      I went to eat some animal crackers and the box said, "Do not eat if seal is broken." I opened the box and sure enough..
  68. Re:It never should have sold one in the first plac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think they've considered what they're doing.

    I'm pretty sure they've considered it, they're a business for goodness sake.

  69. Sales Fails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They gave limited options on aquiring the phone. If I could have bought one subsidized and stay on my family plan, that would have been two more sold.
    I know I'm not alone here as I found a petition online, and signed it, asking them to offer them with family plans. T-Mobile has done away with MyFaves, so changing to any other plan would cause me to lose the MyFaves (which saves us a great deal on minutes).

    The whole thing seems crazy, almost as if they WANTED it to fail. People will buy on impulse. Just look at all the people that bought a 2G Iphone, knowing the 3G was on the way, or the Ipad with no 3g, knowing a 3g version was on the way. I hadn't had my myTouch all that long, and was ready to toss it in for the Nexus one. All they had to do was provide me with the means to do it, without shooting myself in the foot.

    And as far as being "locked in" to my carrier, they have the best rates.... I don't want to go with anyone else anyway. Buying my phones with a contract allows me to own phones I would not otherwise be able to afford. It seems like either google or T-mobile just didnt want this phone to sell.

  70. Logical, it was an US-only affair... by GuerreroDelInterfaz · · Score: 1

    I wanted to buy it but they did not want to sell it to me because I don't reside inside the frontiers of the Empire.

    I understand that dummies like the content mafias bosses, music, books and film publishers, and other ignoramuses want and try to put doors and frontiers to the Internet. But I never thought Google would do the same dumb thing.

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    El Guerrero del Interfaz