Speaker Pro Tem Lee: "We gotta protect the children! Think of the children! What about the children!" "Harumph! Harumph! Harumph!".
Legislature: "Harumph! Harumph! Harumph!".
Lee: (pointing) "Hey! I didn't get a 'Harumph' outa that guy"
Hedy Lamar ("that's Hedley"): "Come on, give the Speaker Pro Tem a Harumph".
Guy: (meekly) "Harumph!"
Speaker Pro Tem Lee: (pointing again) "You watch your ass!"
Don't forget "Destination: Void" from Frank Herbert. Maybe not "hacking" in the traditional sense, though. The central question is: "How can I make machine be consious, and what would it be like?".
Re:A Question
on
The Escapist
·
· Score: 3, Informative
It's just a nomenclature problem. He said "...a hacker with a cold-blooded killing streak", but he meant "...a sysadmin with a cold-blooded killing streak", which is, of course, perfectly understandable and quite common.
Ah.
Thank you.
The whole Angular Momentum thing had me confused for a bit.
Any chance you could explain the "aerodynamics of toast" post for me? See, I've Had Sex(TM), so some of these concapts are difficult for me. TIA!!!
> but I swear that the language should forbid empty catch blocks
The better IDEs will at least bitch about this, if you tell them to, but I agree with you in principle. I like checked exceptions, and I think it's one of C#'s biggest failings. I know this puts me in the minority. I don't care.
From your parent:
>......"Give me Java any day."
Yeah. I think it's today's best "Old Man's Language". For those of us old enough to have "been there, done that, got the T-shirt", I think Java is the best for keeping the Too Clever Kids (and yes, of course I was one, too) out of trouble.
I didn't say it was the Holy Grail, I said I think it's got C++ beat all to hell in terms of programmer productivity. If I had to write a high user count shrink-wrap kind of program, I'd have to write it in C++, but in the one-off, less than 200 user, written by the (most/least)? qualified programmer available, frequent mod/respec world most of us live in, I'll take Java over C++ any day of the week. That way, I'll get fewer 2:00 A.M. phone calls.
The "barfing runtime exceptions" was exactly my point. It's not only a red flag for badly written code, it's a built-in QC test. I'm TIRED of reading other people's code and having to go back to them and say "O.K., this (really arcane thing that you never will understand) might/probably will happen, and so therefore I can't put you code into production". All them "barfed runtime exceptions" make my argument for me. I can simply fiat "no unhandled exceptions" and leave it at that.
Yes, Java is slower to run than C++. However Java is faster to write than C++; and I think that's the real issue.
In terms of power of expressivity, I think they're about the same, but I find Java easier to read than C++, and I find that mid-level programmers make far fewer subtle "shoot yourself in the foot" mistakes in Java than they do in C++. The run-time array bounds checking, lack of pointers, checked exceptions, and the lovely NullPointerException serve to keep a lot of people out of trouble. The embarrassing wealth of pre-written, tested, free, source-available modules Java has, over the reinvent-the-wheel approach of C++ goes a long way in improved programmer productivity. Here's a test for you: have one of your middle-skilled programmers do some network communication in Java and C++ and see which program takes less time to write and works better.
Uh, if you think about the name "eclipse" (as in "something in front of the sun") for a minute, maybe you'll get some ideas about IBM (and others) hopes for Eclipse, and why Sun isn't all that eager to join up.
> Your position is, because he's not a partner he has no moral or legal responsibility to address such issues?
No, my position is that working from the inside, he took entirely the wrong (naive) approach. Look, the company founder wrote the code, and clearly wasn't surprised when informed (verbally) that it was illegal. Salzenberg then ups the ante by writing a hostile and threatening formal letter, again, attempting to work from the inside and without resigning on the spot. You simply can't work within a system like that and be that openly hostile to it. The moral high-ground in a system like that is outside the system, not inside it.
I agree that the activities of HMS were slimy and illegal, and that they knew it. What I don't agree with is Salzenberg's response. A simple "I can't be a party to this, buh-bye", would have done. The fact that his letter doesn't end with "and therefore, I quit", but instead offes vague threats is exactly what got him into this position. Had he Loudly Quit by posting this as his resignation letter, he'd be an eternal hero to the entire Open Source community. Instead, we're now supposed to feel sorry for and support him. I do feel sorry for him, nobody should be treated like this. But he brought a fair amount of it on himself by his naive actions.
And make no mistake, while I think that HMS's activities were morally reprehensible before all this, I think their illegal use of the police and courts in this matter is beyond disgusting. I look forward to seeing them go out of business and burn in hell.
Yah. Fer Pete's sake, check out the tone of his letter. He's a Senior Programmer, and he's writing as if he were a Partner. He's confrontational and adversarial in the same breath, and somehow expects to remain employed and that nobody's going to be pissed at him. We've all seen Captain Kirk jumping up on the rock shouting "Everything you know is WRONG!", and the natives repent, but Real Life(tm) works differently.
I don't know about everybody else, but when I stick my finger into a hornet's nest, I expect to get bitten.
I commute into Chicago via train every day. Two and a half hours round trip. I love it. I no longer live in my car, I can sleep or read or listen to lectures on my iRiver. A train that went even 100 miles an hour would cut my travel time in half. But this is America, and people will always treat it as Public Transportation. They'll leave their McDonalds wrappers and pop cans on the floor, they'll clip their fingernails, they'll scream into their cell phones. The railroad won't take the time and effort and manpower to keep the tracks up to the task of handling a 100 MPH train, so they'll make it go slower. People in cars will still try to go around crossing gates, people on foot will run across the tracks as the trains approach; they'll be killed and it will be the engineers fault.
Maybe the Japanese, with their famously polite society can make this kind of thing work, but it's doomed here in America.
Does this mean that cable companies are now excluded from VoIP "tappability", the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA), or from the other law enforcement attempts to log EVERYTHING on the internet(s)?
Because if Microsoft controlled the P2P protocol, they would control another (pivotal) DRM chokepoint. If they can't control P2P, they won't be able to implement an all-encompassing control over entertainment distribution. Companies like Sony wouldn't like that, and they're the ones who're going to be paying the big bucks to make sure their content won't be transmittable P2P.
You could also worry about them getting involved with drugs and alcohol, geting pregnant, getting involved with gangs, robbing gas stations and a million other bad things.
The best way to protect your children is to give them values and affection, teach them to think for themselves, and then trust them. You'll find yourself being proud of the choices your children make.
Please protect me from myself. If I knew as little about operating my car as I know about operating my computer, I wouldn't be able to get out of my own driveway, yet I would be a mortal danger to everyone in my city. I would have no concept of speed limits, driving on the proper side of the road, pedestrain crossings or the rights of others. Oftentimes I would simpy let my car roam free, with no driver at all.
If I took care of my car the way I take care of my computer, I'd be driving a 1956 Chevy Bel-Air with four flat tires. The oil wouldn't have been changed since 1967. Great gouts of smoke would belch from the exhaust, choking everybody in my vicinity. My 12-year-old nephew would come over occasionally to chase away the vermin that multiplied in the back seat. The manufacturer of my car would think a cross between a Pinto and a Corvair was the epitome of safety.
In short, I am a danger and a nuisance to myself, and everyone around me. Please rectify this sorry situation by legislating that all competent drivers be treated as though they were me.
Slashdot Mirror
When I saw the headline "Software Telescope", I thought maybe someone had invented a device which would let us see Longhorn going GA.
And here I thought that Columbine happened 'cause those two weren't getting any sex.
My bad.
Speaker Pro Tem Lee: "We gotta protect the children! Think of the children! What about the children!" "Harumph! Harumph! Harumph!".
Legislature: "Harumph! Harumph! Harumph!".
Lee: (pointing) "Hey! I didn't get a 'Harumph' outa that guy"
Hedy Lamar ("that's Hedley"): "Come on, give the Speaker Pro Tem a Harumph".
Guy: (meekly) "Harumph!"
Speaker Pro Tem Lee: (pointing again) "You watch your ass!"
Don't forget "Destination: Void" from Frank Herbert. Maybe not "hacking" in the traditional sense, though. The central question is: "How can I make machine be consious, and what would it be like?".
It's just a nomenclature problem.
He said "...a hacker with a cold-blooded killing streak", but he meant "...a sysadmin with a cold-blooded killing streak", which is, of course, perfectly understandable and quite common.
Sigh
And agin.
And again.
If you want PL/1, you know where to find it.
Already been done.
Really???
frist psot!!!!
w00t!!!
Ah.
Thank you.
The whole Angular Momentum thing had me confused for a bit.
Any chance you could explain the "aerodynamics of toast" post for me? See, I've Had Sex(TM), so some of these concapts are difficult for me.
TIA!!!
I'm sorry, for a second there, I thought your post included the phrase "the rotational speed of toast".
My Bad.
The better IDEs will at least bitch about this, if you tell them to, but I agree with you in principle. I like checked exceptions, and I think it's one of C#'s biggest failings. I know this puts me in the minority. I don't care.
From your parent: > ......"Give me Java any day."
Yeah. I think it's today's best "Old Man's Language". For those of us old enough to have "been there, done that, got the T-shirt", I think Java is the best for keeping the Too Clever Kids (and yes, of course I was one, too) out of trouble.
The "barfing runtime exceptions" was exactly my point. It's not only a red flag for badly written code, it's a built-in QC test. I'm TIRED of reading other people's code and having to go back to them and say "O.K., this (really arcane thing that you never will understand) might/probably will happen, and so therefore I can't put you code into production". All them "barfed runtime exceptions" make my argument for me. I can simply fiat "no unhandled exceptions" and leave it at that.
Yes, Java is slower to run than C++. However Java is faster to write than C++; and I think that's the real issue.
In terms of power of expressivity, I think they're about the same, but I find Java easier to read than C++, and I find that mid-level programmers make far fewer subtle "shoot yourself in the foot" mistakes in Java than they do in C++. The run-time array bounds checking, lack of pointers, checked exceptions, and the lovely NullPointerException serve to keep a lot of people out of trouble. The embarrassing wealth of pre-written, tested, free, source-available modules Java has, over the reinvent-the-wheel approach of C++ goes a long way in improved programmer productivity. Here's a test for you: have one of your middle-skilled programmers do some network communication in Java and C++ and see which program takes less time to write and works better.
Uh, if you think about the name "eclipse" (as in "something in front of the sun") for a minute, maybe you'll get some ideas about IBM (and others) hopes for Eclipse, and why Sun isn't all that eager to join up.
No, my position is that working from the inside, he took entirely the wrong (naive) approach. Look, the company founder wrote the code, and clearly wasn't surprised when informed (verbally) that it was illegal. Salzenberg then ups the ante by writing a hostile and threatening formal letter, again, attempting to work from the inside and without resigning on the spot. You simply can't work within a system like that and be that openly hostile to it. The moral high-ground in a system like that is outside the system, not inside it.
I agree that the activities of HMS were slimy and illegal, and that they knew it. What I don't agree with is Salzenberg's response. A simple "I can't be a party to this, buh-bye", would have done. The fact that his letter doesn't end with "and therefore, I quit", but instead offes vague threats is exactly what got him into this position. Had he Loudly Quit by posting this as his resignation letter, he'd be an eternal hero to the entire Open Source community. Instead, we're now supposed to feel sorry for and support him. I do feel sorry for him, nobody should be treated like this. But he brought a fair amount of it on himself by his naive actions.
And make no mistake, while I think that HMS's activities were morally reprehensible before all this, I think their illegal use of the police and courts in this matter is beyond disgusting. I look forward to seeing them go out of business and burn in hell.
Yah. Fer Pete's sake, check out the tone of his letter. He's a Senior Programmer, and he's writing as if he were a Partner. He's confrontational and adversarial in the same breath, and somehow expects to remain employed and that nobody's going to be pissed at him. We've all seen Captain Kirk jumping up on the rock shouting "Everything you know is WRONG!", and the natives repent, but Real Life(tm) works differently.
I don't know about everybody else, but when I stick my finger into a hornet's nest, I expect to get bitten.
Maybe the Japanese, with their famously polite society can make this kind of thing work, but it's doomed here in America.
sigh
Does this mean that cable companies are now excluded from VoIP "tappability", the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA), or from the other law enforcement attempts to log EVERYTHING on the internet(s)?
Because if Microsoft controlled the P2P protocol, they would control another (pivotal) DRM chokepoint. If they can't control P2P, they won't be able to implement an all-encompassing control over entertainment distribution. Companies like Sony wouldn't like that, and they're the ones who're going to be paying the big bucks to make sure their content won't be transmittable P2P.
Actually, when I was in high-speed PCB assembly, we referred to them as "Carbon Units" .
<BODY BGCOLOR="#000000" text="#FFFFFF">
<FONT face="sans-serif">C:\><BLINK>_</BLINK></FONT>
</BODY>
</HTML>
--
Actually, it's on-topic.
The best way to protect your children is to give them values and affection, teach them to think for themselves, and then trust them. You'll find yourself being proud of the choices your children make.
Please protect me from myself. If I knew as little about operating my car as I know about operating my computer, I wouldn't be able to get out of my own driveway, yet I would be a mortal danger to everyone in my city. I would have no concept of speed limits, driving on the proper side of the road, pedestrain crossings or the rights of others. Oftentimes I would simpy let my car roam free, with no driver at all.
If I took care of my car the way I take care of my computer, I'd be driving a 1956 Chevy Bel-Air with four flat tires. The oil wouldn't have been changed since 1967. Great gouts of smoke would belch from the exhaust, choking everybody in my vicinity. My 12-year-old nephew would come over occasionally to chase away the vermin that multiplied in the back seat. The manufacturer of my car would think a cross between a Pinto and a Corvair was the epitome of safety.
In short, I am a danger and a nuisance to myself, and everyone around me. Please rectify this sorry situation by legislating that all competent drivers be treated as though they were me.
Thanks,
My Dad