SpaceX Launches Crew Vehicle to Space Station in 1 Month, Crew in 6 months, and test Mars Rocket by end of 2019. Meanwhile VG and BO in "Hot Pursuit" with 3D Computer Simulations of Vaporware Rockets
Sorry, you can say what you want, but for all intents right now VG is flying an X-15, and BO is launching a souped up Redstone rocket, while SpaceX is actually flying a vehicle somewhere around the Saturn IB equivalent. Two of those get you to "space" in a purely academic sense of the word, but the other is a real spacecraft. In the first space race, those were over a decade apart, and that's about how far ahead SpaceX appears to be right now.
If you demand we should talk about BO and VG's orbital launchers, which, as of now, are little more than plans on a drawing board -- maybe (and we can't know since Jeff "Lex Luthor" Bezos is so ultra-secretive) an incomplete collection of parts (BE-4 engines, some fuel tanks) -- then you still have to give SpaceX the edge because they're building the Starship (nee 'BFR') now, with pictures promised by Elon in the next few weeks. (so, maybe by February).
Now, does that diminish what they accomplished today by creating a "passenger-safe" re-usable craft that can take you up to near the Karman line? No, not at all. But it does not "put SpaceX and Blue Origin to Shame" like some of the headline writers seem to be saying. Strangely, they forget to mention the billions of dollars over budget and years late Orion capsule, and Boeing Starliner in the same breath. Odd that.
You have proven we can detect previously unmeasurably small amounts of radiation. Seriouslly? You had to boil down an entire bottle of wine to 4 grams of solids, then put that into the core of a gamma ray detector, just so you can determine that instead of one atom of Cesium-137, there were two.
Talk about over-hyped headlines. The only important sentence is, "[They] showed levels to be indistinguishable from background noise."
...SpaceX is still scheduled for an unmanned crew dragon test in August, mid-flight abort/escape test in October, and first manned flight in late December. (Source: Spaceflight Now's Luanch Schedule)
The first flight article just left the Plum Brook test center bound for Florida and mating to a Falcon 9 Block 5.
I fail to see where SpaceX is behind on this. Now, if you want to look at Boeing, last I heard the first flight article has yet to even finish being built, much less undergone vacuum, vibration, and cold testing like the Crew Dragon has.
But, hey, their capsule only costs the taxpayer 50% more than the Dragon, and was started 4 years earlier.
I believe the comment made by one historian (Clay Jenkinson) was, "Thomas Jefferson was the only one of the Founding Fathers that could have written the Declaration with that grandiose style. If George Washington would have written the Declaration of Independence, it would have read, 'We Quit!'"
You do realize that the thermite reaction (Fe2O3 + 2 Al 2 Fe + Al2O3) has no vapor byproducts. The alumina is a solid, and the iron comes out as a liquid. i.e. There's no smoke from a thermite reaction.
First of all, you didn't read the unit of measure. It's deaths per terrawatt hour of power production. The rest of your response is gibberish because of that.
Solar power kills, yes, through falling off roofs, but also from the very fact that these are panels generating kilowatts of power. Touch the wrong wire and you just as toasted as if the power came from a coal plant.
Finally, the fact that you think 6th generation nuclear plants (unlike the 1st generation Chernobyl, and the second generation Fukushima plants) explode, shows just how ignorant you are about the advances in nuclear generation technology.
The truly sad part about Fukushima, is that, while so far zero people have actually died from that plant, on the same day over 20,000 people died from the 9.0 earthquake and ensuing tsunami that damaged the plant far beyond its design parameters. Of course, we've forgotten all about those so we can all point at the word radiation and run around like children.
There's far less radiation within 100 yards of fukushima daishi 1, as there is on most of the beaches in Brazil.
Please, go pick up a book or at least google liquid salt thorium reactors.
Wind and solar are safer? Try again (Sorry for the formatting)
Deaths per terrawatt hour (Worldwide):
Coal (world) 244.00
Oil 52.00
Biofuel/Biomass 50.00
Peat 50.00
Natural Gas 20.00
Coal (US) 10.00
Wind 0.15
Solar 0.10
Hydro 0.10
Nuclear (world) 0.04
Data from here. The Nuclear number is inflated by Chernobyl, which represents over 95% of the deaths from nuclear power.
These represent numbers from the entire history of power production. Solar is getting safer (mostly because of already installed panels continuing to produce power) but the installation of solar panels is still the 7th most dangerous job, with a fatality rate of over 32 workers per 100,000.
Aluminum was more valuable than gold before Deville came along and figured out electrolysis in 1859. Guess what made that process so cheap that we now throw piles of aluminum cans away without a thought -- not that we should?
Cheap electricity.
Guess what? You can extract iron from ore using electrolysis as well.
A nuclear plant could easily power a processing plant to produce methane from the CO2 in the air and water (Sabatier reaction). The high energy density of liquid methane fuel can then be used on aircraft with a net-zero carbon footprint. The net effect is a "nuclear powered airplane."
Many steel plants already use induction furnaces for for melt processes, but the addition of coke to remove impurities is a required part of the process. Using induction heating with a much smaller carbon injection reduces the footprint from steel production, while CO2 capture and electrolytic splitting becomes possible with massive energy sources. In other words, capture the CO2 that does come off, and re-split it to carbon and oxygen, which also lets you re-use the carbon on the next batch of steel. Bonus.
The real killer is concrete production, as the cooking off of CO2 to create portland cement is actually one of the major sources of CO2 in America. Again, capture and reprocessing becomes possible with the availability of cheap power, though I personally think alternatives to traditional cement need to be found.
In any case, abundant energy at low prices derived from an "assembly line" 6th generation walk-away safe nuclear reactor would solve pretty much every one of the problems out there when it comes to carbon emissions and energy. And that merely assumes fission. With Lockheed supposedly producing a "semi-truck sized" fusion 100MW fusion plant that could be parked next to any major factory, the game changes even more.
...but DeBeers has literally trillions of carats of diamonds in their vaults. They've been stockpiling them for over a century to maintain the illusion that diamonds are rare.
Most likely they will simply start liquidating their massive stocks of real diamonds as "lab grown" because they're running out of vault space.
Modern nuclear plant designs (not 1950's era soviet death traps) are walk-away safe, meaning if everyone just walked out of the building with no safety precautions, the reactor would shut itself down through unescapable physical processes, not through computer controls. The best of these are the molten salt reactors that do not run in a pressurized container, and even if some terrorist got in with high explosives and they were they blown to bits in an explosion, would result in largely inert and only moderately radioactive debris in the area of the explosion. If allowed to run to "runaway" conditions, they will self-regulate to a cooler state as the fuel expands under heating, and were they super-seeded with highly enriched feedstock, would melt through the "freeze-plugs" that require active maintenance to maintain as cold solids, resulting in the fuel dumping into individual containers too small to maintain a reaction.
In other words, totally walk-away safe. When compared to the chemicals and energy used to manufacture solar energy, or the limited resources of rare-earth materials used in wind generators, not to mention the limited, highly reactive lithium used for batteries to level either solar or wind energy, modern nuclear plants are so safe and productive, they almost appear utopian when described.
The problem with you is not your philosophy, it is your attitude.
Let's rephrase the argument:
I despise modern art. I find it to be utter, utter crap. Blobs of color that a 3 year old could paint if they had no taste. However, there are people willing to waste literally millions of dollars on it. There are two approaches I can take to this.
One, I can not go to Modern Art galleries, not purchase modern art, and generally avoid it. This is called "consumer choice" and is the mature approach to the situation.
Or, two, I can go to galleries, berate people to their faces and call them morons, throw feces and urine on their most respected pieces of "art", and petition the government to remove all modern art from all government places, and sue if they won't comply. This is called, "Douche-baggery" and is the choice you and many other atheists and atheist groups have made.
If anyone gets in your face, it's because of your attitude.
Yes, there are a lot of deluded people in the world, but pointing out their delusion does not endear you to them. Don't believe me? Try pointing out to a group of programmers which editor is better, vi or emacs, spaces or tabs, or C++ vs. Java.
And, by the way, the biggest delusion anyone has is that they know the absolute truth and are totally right in any situation, on any social topic.
Few developers are going to have to know how to really code, or what is really happening in the engine they are using.
And THIS is why I get paid nearly twice as much as all the people I work with who fit exactly this mold. Because when you do understand how the code really works, you can make software perform better than anyone believes. For example, 10,000 complex business logic transactions per second with database and third party interactions on 3 boxes of physical hardware with a total cost under $20,000. (Probably less if our ops people didn't insist on IBM branded servers.)
The "not in the work force" number includes only healthy citizens, age 16-65. So your argument about your parents and daughter is invalid.
Additionally, the number is now at the highest percentage since it was first calculated in 1978. In other words, the labor participation rate (i.e. the percentage of people who are of age and wish to have jobs) is at its lowest rate since 1978 (when it was first tracked).
U6 unemployment, on the other hand, does not include anyone unemployed longer than 12-26 months (depending on whether they try to find a job or not). This means they fall to those no longer in the labor pool. That number has grown by 14.4 million people under Obama.
No other president since 1980 has presided over such a steep decline (3.4%) in the participation rate, and George W. Bush was the only other president with a net decline (1%). (Note, the graph can be adjusted to include data from before 1978 which has been retroactively calculated, and which is lower, because of the low participation of females in the work force prior to the late 1970's / early 1980's.)
That 3.4% drop indicates 14.4 million more people out of work, and off the unemployment rolls. Typically about a 250,000 job change is needed for 0.1% of unemployment rate change. That would indicate another 5.76% of unemployment to add to the U6 number of 9.5% giving a grand total of 15.26% unemployment, right in line with the original poster, and also a good indicator of why those 15.26% of people, who kept hearing about this great "economic recovery" going on probably swung from blue to red in the election.
Look at where the growth in red votes came from in this election. Blue-collar working class states. You know, the ones who get ignored compared to those shiny city slickers that Hillary campaigned to, and who showed up at Trump rallies just in time to be called "deplorable" and "irredeemable" by Hillary. These aren't racists, or fascists, or any of the other names that get used for Trump supporters, they're people who were sick of being ignored. Trump didn't ignore them. Hillary did. Hillary literally did not visit Wisconsin after the primaries since it was "in the bag" for her. Trump did. Guess who won?
You speak of fascism, a word which comes from "fascio", which is Italian for a bundle of rods or sticks. When the political fasci or guilds and syndicates of Italy grouped together to form a mostly Left-leaning political coalition they coined the term to describe their political movement, with the fasci bundled into a single fascio. "Fascism" (Italian: fascismo) is thus a political philosophy derived from the idea that the bundle of sticks, bound together, is much stronger than the single stick alone.
Stronger Together.
Which was literally Hillary Clinton's campaign slogan.
...in 1999, by James Hansen, telling us that the 2000's would rival the 1930's for the highest ever... of course, then we went into a "hiatus" of global warming. Original article.
The original Omega (I own two of them) doesn't have an external antenna either, and does quite nicely without it. I have connected to it as an AP with a laptop from up to 50 feet away even through walls. That's not in a metal case or anything, but I can't complain about it at all. Now the GPS add-on without the external antenna... that's a different story.
I know I just dropped Windows in favor of Linux because of the aggressive (read -- "installed in the middle of the night without asking") push towards Windows 10. During the 8 days it was on my computer, the router caught it trying to upload my entire Documents directory to OneDrive, again, without asking.
If I wanted an O/S that was going to steal all my work, I'd install one. No thanks Microsoft, you burned your bridges here. Linux is not as smooth and not as easy to use, but I'll take that any day over having data such as my corporate records, source code, and even my tax returns getting uploaded to some uncontrolled cloud owned by Microsoft.
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...Australia would have jailed Abraham Zapruder for the Kennedy assassination.
Maybe we should go back to blaming the guys pulling the trigger, whether it's on the gun or the video camera.
Yeah, it'd be a great headline:
SpaceX Launches Crew Vehicle to Space Station in 1 Month, Crew in 6 months, and test Mars Rocket by end of 2019. Meanwhile VG and BO in "Hot Pursuit" with 3D Computer Simulations of Vaporware Rockets
Sorry, you can say what you want, but for all intents right now VG is flying an X-15, and BO is launching a souped up Redstone rocket, while SpaceX is actually flying a vehicle somewhere around the Saturn IB equivalent. Two of those get you to "space" in a purely academic sense of the word, but the other is a real spacecraft. In the first space race, those were over a decade apart, and that's about how far ahead SpaceX appears to be right now.
If you demand we should talk about BO and VG's orbital launchers, which, as of now, are little more than plans on a drawing board -- maybe (and we can't know since Jeff "Lex Luthor" Bezos is so ultra-secretive) an incomplete collection of parts (BE-4 engines, some fuel tanks) -- then you still have to give SpaceX the edge because they're building the Starship (nee 'BFR') now, with pictures promised by Elon in the next few weeks. (so, maybe by February).
Now, does that diminish what they accomplished today by creating a "passenger-safe" re-usable craft that can take you up to near the Karman line? No, not at all. But it does not "put SpaceX and Blue Origin to Shame" like some of the headline writers seem to be saying. Strangely, they forget to mention the billions of dollars over budget and years late Orion capsule, and Boeing Starliner in the same breath. Odd that.
You have proven we can detect previously unmeasurably small amounts of radiation. Seriouslly? You had to boil down an entire bottle of wine to 4 grams of solids, then put that into the core of a gamma ray detector, just so you can determine that instead of one atom of Cesium-137, there were two.
Talk about over-hyped headlines. The only important sentence is, "[They] showed levels to be indistinguishable from background noise."
...SpaceX is still scheduled for an unmanned crew dragon test in August, mid-flight abort/escape test in October, and first manned flight in late December. (Source: Spaceflight Now's Luanch Schedule)
The first flight article just left the Plum Brook test center bound for Florida and mating to a Falcon 9 Block 5.
I fail to see where SpaceX is behind on this. Now, if you want to look at Boeing, last I heard the first flight article has yet to even finish being built, much less undergone vacuum, vibration, and cold testing like the Crew Dragon has.
But, hey, their capsule only costs the taxpayer 50% more than the Dragon, and was started 4 years earlier.
I believe the comment made by one historian (Clay Jenkinson) was, "Thomas Jefferson was the only one of the Founding Fathers that could have written the Declaration with that grandiose style. If George Washington would have written the Declaration of Independence, it would have read, 'We Quit!'"
You do realize that the thermite reaction (Fe2O3 + 2 Al 2 Fe + Al2O3) has no vapor byproducts. The alumina is a solid, and the iron comes out as a liquid. i.e. There's no smoke from a thermite reaction.
Let me extend that argument: Reactors don't fail if people follow safety procedures.
If the argument isn't good enough for nuclear power, then it's not good enough for solar power either.
First of all, you didn't read the unit of measure. It's deaths per terrawatt hour of power production. The rest of your response is gibberish because of that.
Solar power kills, yes, through falling off roofs, but also from the very fact that these are panels generating kilowatts of power. Touch the wrong wire and you just as toasted as if the power came from a coal plant.
Finally, the fact that you think 6th generation nuclear plants (unlike the 1st generation Chernobyl, and the second generation Fukushima plants) explode, shows just how ignorant you are about the advances in nuclear generation technology.
The truly sad part about Fukushima, is that, while so far zero people have actually died from that plant, on the same day over 20,000 people died from the 9.0 earthquake and ensuing tsunami that damaged the plant far beyond its design parameters. Of course, we've forgotten all about those so we can all point at the word radiation and run around like children.
There's far less radiation within 100 yards of fukushima daishi 1, as there is on most of the beaches in Brazil.
Please, go pick up a book or at least google liquid salt thorium reactors.
Wind and solar are safer? Try again (Sorry for the formatting)
Deaths per terrawatt hour (Worldwide):
Coal (world) 244.00
Oil 52.00
Biofuel/Biomass 50.00
Peat 50.00
Natural Gas 20.00
Coal (US) 10.00
Wind 0.15
Solar 0.10
Hydro 0.10
Nuclear (world) 0.04
Data from here. The Nuclear number is inflated by Chernobyl, which represents over 95% of the deaths from nuclear power.
These represent numbers from the entire history of power production. Solar is getting safer (mostly because of already installed panels continuing to produce power) but the installation of solar panels is still the 7th most dangerous job, with a fatality rate of over 32 workers per 100,000.
Aluminum was more valuable than gold before Deville came along and figured out electrolysis in 1859. Guess what made that process so cheap that we now throw piles of aluminum cans away without a thought -- not that we should?
Cheap electricity.
Guess what? You can extract iron from ore using electrolysis as well.
Iron Metal Production through Bulk Electrolysis
Green Iron
A nuclear plant could easily power a processing plant to produce methane from the CO2 in the air and water (Sabatier reaction). The high energy density of liquid methane fuel can then be used on aircraft with a net-zero carbon footprint. The net effect is a "nuclear powered airplane."
Many steel plants already use induction furnaces for for melt processes, but the addition of coke to remove impurities is a required part of the process. Using induction heating with a much smaller carbon injection reduces the footprint from steel production, while CO2 capture and electrolytic splitting becomes possible with massive energy sources. In other words, capture the CO2 that does come off, and re-split it to carbon and oxygen, which also lets you re-use the carbon on the next batch of steel. Bonus.
The real killer is concrete production, as the cooking off of CO2 to create portland cement is actually one of the major sources of CO2 in America. Again, capture and reprocessing becomes possible with the availability of cheap power, though I personally think alternatives to traditional cement need to be found.
In any case, abundant energy at low prices derived from an "assembly line" 6th generation walk-away safe nuclear reactor would solve pretty much every one of the problems out there when it comes to carbon emissions and energy. And that merely assumes fission. With Lockheed supposedly producing a "semi-truck sized" fusion 100MW fusion plant that could be parked next to any major factory, the game changes even more.
...but DeBeers has literally trillions of carats of diamonds in their vaults. They've been stockpiling them for over a century to maintain the illusion that diamonds are rare.
Most likely they will simply start liquidating their massive stocks of real diamonds as "lab grown" because they're running out of vault space.
Modern nuclear plant designs (not 1950's era soviet death traps) are walk-away safe, meaning if everyone just walked out of the building with no safety precautions, the reactor would shut itself down through unescapable physical processes, not through computer controls. The best of these are the molten salt reactors that do not run in a pressurized container, and even if some terrorist got in with high explosives and they were they blown to bits in an explosion, would result in largely inert and only moderately radioactive debris in the area of the explosion. If allowed to run to "runaway" conditions, they will self-regulate to a cooler state as the fuel expands under heating, and were they super-seeded with highly enriched feedstock, would melt through the "freeze-plugs" that require active maintenance to maintain as cold solids, resulting in the fuel dumping into individual containers too small to maintain a reaction.
In other words, totally walk-away safe. When compared to the chemicals and energy used to manufacture solar energy, or the limited resources of rare-earth materials used in wind generators, not to mention the limited, highly reactive lithium used for batteries to level either solar or wind energy, modern nuclear plants are so safe and productive, they almost appear utopian when described.
15 seconds with google -- estimates of bird deaths, especially endangered raptor species, of millions per year.
Smallwood, 2013
...America continues to be the only country in the world that reports stillborn children (age 0) as part of their statistics to the WHO.
The problem with you is not your philosophy, it is your attitude.
Let's rephrase the argument:
I despise modern art. I find it to be utter, utter crap. Blobs of color that a 3 year old could paint if they had no taste. However, there are people willing to waste literally millions of dollars on it. There are two approaches I can take to this.
One, I can not go to Modern Art galleries, not purchase modern art, and generally avoid it. This is called "consumer choice" and is the mature approach to the situation.
Or, two, I can go to galleries, berate people to their faces and call them morons, throw feces and urine on their most respected pieces of "art", and petition the government to remove all modern art from all government places, and sue if they won't comply. This is called, "Douche-baggery" and is the choice you and many other atheists and atheist groups have made.
If anyone gets in your face, it's because of your attitude.
Yes, there are a lot of deluded people in the world, but pointing out their delusion does not endear you to them. Don't believe me? Try pointing out to a group of programmers which editor is better, vi or emacs, spaces or tabs, or C++ vs. Java.
And, by the way, the biggest delusion anyone has is that they know the absolute truth and are totally right in any situation, on any social topic.
Few developers are going to have to know how to really code, or what is really happening in the engine they are using.
And THIS is why I get paid nearly twice as much as all the people I work with who fit exactly this mold. Because when you do understand how the code really works, you can make software perform better than anyone believes. For example, 10,000 complex business logic transactions per second with database and third party interactions on 3 boxes of physical hardware with a total cost under $20,000. (Probably less if our ops people didn't insist on IBM branded servers.)
The "not in the work force" number includes only healthy citizens, age 16-65. So your argument about your parents and daughter is invalid.
Additionally, the number is now at the highest percentage since it was first calculated in 1978. In other words, the labor participation rate (i.e. the percentage of people who are of age and wish to have jobs) is at its lowest rate since 1978 (when it was first tracked).
U6 unemployment, on the other hand, does not include anyone unemployed longer than 12-26 months (depending on whether they try to find a job or not). This means they fall to those no longer in the labor pool. That number has grown by 14.4 million people under Obama.
See here:
Labor Participation Rate
No other president since 1980 has presided over such a steep decline (3.4%) in the participation rate, and George W. Bush was the only other president with a net decline (1%). (Note, the graph can be adjusted to include data from before 1978 which has been retroactively calculated, and which is lower, because of the low participation of females in the work force prior to the late 1970's / early 1980's.)
That 3.4% drop indicates 14.4 million more people out of work, and off the unemployment rolls. Typically about a 250,000 job change is needed for 0.1% of unemployment rate change. That would indicate another 5.76% of unemployment to add to the U6 number of 9.5% giving a grand total of 15.26% unemployment, right in line with the original poster, and also a good indicator of why those 15.26% of people, who kept hearing about this great "economic recovery" going on probably swung from blue to red in the election.
Unemployment rates
Vote Swing Map
Look at where the growth in red votes came from in this election. Blue-collar working class states. You know, the ones who get ignored compared to those shiny city slickers that Hillary campaigned to, and who showed up at Trump rallies just in time to be called "deplorable" and "irredeemable" by Hillary. These aren't racists, or fascists, or any of the other names that get used for Trump supporters, they're people who were sick of being ignored. Trump didn't ignore them. Hillary did. Hillary literally did not visit Wisconsin after the primaries since it was "in the bag" for her. Trump did. Guess who won?
You speak of fascism, a word which comes from "fascio", which is Italian for a bundle of rods or sticks. When the political fasci or guilds and syndicates of Italy grouped together to form a mostly Left-leaning political coalition they coined the term to describe their political movement, with the fasci bundled into a single fascio. "Fascism" (Italian: fascismo) is thus a political philosophy derived from the idea that the bundle of sticks, bound together, is much stronger than the single stick alone.
Stronger Together.
Which was literally Hillary Clinton's campaign slogan.
Just saying...
And this is the specific follow up with Monte Carlo Red Noise simulations giving back Hockey Sticks with Mann's algorithm.
Hockey sticks, principal components, and spurious significance
That one took me looking up the Wikipedia article on "Hockey Stick Controversy". Seriously, learn to use the internets.
Seriously? He gave you the author and the topic, and you couldn't take 10 seconds with google?
CORRECTIONS TO THE MANN et. al. (1998) PROXY DATA BASE AND NORTHERN HEMISPHERIC AVERAGE TEMPERATURE SERIES
...in 2006 by Al Gore? "...unless drastic measures to reduce greenhouse gases are taken within the next 10 years, the world will reach a point of no return", Gore said.
...in 1999, by James Hansen, telling us that the 2000's would rival the 1930's for the highest ever... of course, then we went into a "hiatus" of global warming. Original article.
...in 2006, by this group, saying, Extinction is OUR choice, unless... .... within the next 8 years we have STOPPED using fossil fuels, PLANTED millions of trees, ended logging, and PREPARED our cities and agriculture for the inevitable sea rise. OTHERWISE OUR CHILDREN MAY NOT SURVIVE!
...in 2006, by the Independent?
...in late 2006, by Mother Jones?
..in 2004, by James Hansen? Article
Or maybe just google all this from 10+ years ago, telling us we'd all be dead in 10 years. google.com
Let's stop with the hysteria and stick to facts. I'm not against cutting CO2 emissions, I am against needless panic mongering.
The original Omega (I own two of them) doesn't have an external antenna either, and does quite nicely without it. I have connected to it as an AP with a laptop from up to 50 feet away even through walls. That's not in a metal case or anything, but I can't complain about it at all. Now the GPS add-on without the external antenna... that's a different story.
Amazingly, when I posted this two weeks ago, I was marked down to -5 flamebait. "Microsoft doesn't upgrade you without your permission!"
I know I just dropped Windows in favor of Linux because of the aggressive (read -- "installed in the middle of the night without asking") push towards Windows 10. During the 8 days it was on my computer, the router caught it trying to upload my entire Documents directory to OneDrive, again, without asking.
If I wanted an O/S that was going to steal all my work, I'd install one. No thanks Microsoft, you burned your bridges here. Linux is not as smooth and not as easy to use, but I'll take that any day over having data such as my corporate records, source code, and even my tax returns getting uploaded to some uncontrolled cloud owned by Microsoft.