I think one of the biggest hurdles Microsoft would face in implementing something like your suggesting is the DoJ. After Google forced the Desktop Search subject, Microsoft has to submit copies of SP1 for inspection to make sure they aren't interfering. An update on the scale of incorperating these features into Windows would really have to come in Service Pack form, which would certainly be caught. Although I can see how such conclusions could be drawn, I don't see it as being something Microsoft could actually pull off, even if they really wanted to. It's just too far-reaching. And besides, technical support for MS would have a fit at needing to support all of these extra 'features'.
As an aside, slightly away from this topic, most of the not-so-computer-savy people that I've worked with before are constantly complaining about Microsoft *not* incorperating features like these in Windows. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Better now? Good. I like the highlighting, the added speculation on my thoughts is very creative, although more than a off the mark. Well, completely missing it would be more like it. In all honest, your post only proves my point further in that nothing Microsoft does can go without FUD, and any defense of them must be fanboyism of the worst sort.
In the end, time will tell, and you never know - I may be completely wrong. My money, however, is on this staying in the "Live" services end of things.
Common, people, actually go and look at what they are doing for a change.
This isn't something that is being bundled with Windows (Vista or otherwise), it's a download, just like the Google Pack. You can still get the programs seperately, or you can use this new installer to pick and choose.
This isn't something that will come in the form of an Automatic Update, because not only is it from different product group ("Windows Live... is branding and nothing more), but things like Live OneCare require a Paid Subscription past the trial period.
Rant over. Karam down the drain. I'm just sick of seeing so much FUD on Slashdot, anti-Microsoft or otherwise. I know it's not going to stop, but can we at least calm it down a little?
...they could make a 'Streets-to-English' translator, we'll be set.
I really don't want to 'shizzle' anyone's 'nizzle' until I know what I'd be doing to what.
...and we were instructed during training to *never* refer to them as Laptops, only as Notebooks, for just that issue: Toshibas tend to run hot, and the result is anything from a sweaty leg to threats of legal actions due to near-burns.
...the video cards. Sure you can get a docking station to provide all of the other fun stuff that a desktop has (like (additional) serial ports, more USB ports, an extra LAN jack, etc...), however laptops still haven't overcome the limitation of un-upgradable video cards. Sure you can get expensive laptops with high-end cards, but when all of the games move to the newest version of DirectX, if you want to play them and keep the FPS up, you have to get a new laptop. Until the industry moves to swappable graphics cards, laptops won't be the be-all-end-all replacement for the desktop computer.
These sensors are already installed in Canada, however, where the colder temperatures favor consumers.
Umm, has anyone checked the temperature up here lately? Yesterday we hit 36 Degrees Celsius (that's around 96 Degrees Fahrenheit) and it supposed to go higher still. Colder? Not by much!
Microsoft does not forbid OEMs from shipping disks with their computers - instead, they give the OEM an option as whether to ship the disks or provide a Recovery Disk/Partition system of their own design. There are many not-so-large OEM's that ship their computers with a Windows DVD that's only difference from the Retail disk is the label.
As for not being able to give out the disks later, as a replacement? Wrongo! Again, that's OEM policy, not Microsoft's.
Blame the OEM for the crappy recovery process and lack of disks, not Microsoft.
Not to explicitly drive this more off topic, but it's actually a wusb11 2.6, and the currently discussed workarounds for it, including editing/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist to enable the driver, fail as well. Combine this with several other major bugs that I'm surprised to see in a final release, I've gone back to 6.10 where things work again. Hopefully in a future build they'll have this and other wireless issues worked out.
Yes, because we all know that MS is the only company that ships a new version of an OS with bugs in it. I would be posting this from my kubuntu laptop running 7.04, but I can't seem to get my wusb adapter to work despite the fact that it was fine out-of-the-box in 6.10....
I have to agree. All of my existing content, as well as some newly...er...'aquired' content works just fine. I've never seen a trace of DRM added to anything on my system that I've created myself, so I have to call bs on this. There may be added support for DRM, but that doesn't mean that everything on the system is suddenly DRM-ridden.
Yes, that makes perfect sense. Pay a bunch of people to test a product for you. Of course, those people can't be counted on to reliably report their findings, and even if they were getting paid would probably still leak the software anyways. Besides, being able to trial software long before the vast majority of the public sees it in detail should be reward enough. I've been involved in quite a few Microsoft betas, as well as betas for other large software companies and out of all of them, Microsoft is usually the best for rewarding it's testers at the end of the run. For Live Messenger they sent out Messenger-logo Messenger bags. For Live OneCare, a free one-year subscription. Vista? A free copy of Ultimate. What did Symantec do for Norton 2006 (aside screw up)? A short email.
In the week leading up to MS releasing the new build of Home Server, many emails were sent kindly asking participants not to so much as blog about the new build because they wanted to make a public announcement about first. Not that difficult. And if you've ever tested pre-released software before, you know that you're not supposed to leak it. Yes it always happens, but that doesn't mean that you should.
I live in British Columbia, Canada, and subscribe to Shaw Cable's X-tream1 package. 100GB/month combined bandwidth at 10MBPS speeds for ~$50 a month. I've gone over bandwidth (usually only by 20-60GB) several times now and haven't been contacted, limited or cut off, so I'd give them a top rating.
It's also worth noting that they have a higher-end package that gives 25MBPS speeds and a bandwidth limit of 150GB.
I live in BC, the pot capital of North America, and all I can say is the only Chronic failure that I ever see is when someone tries to light up and either their out of Butane or didn't roll properly. Then again...
And what could be more fitting than a final total that includes the number '1024'?
Truely, this is the greatest achivement of gamers and geeks everywhere! Hats off all around to Childplay and Penny Arcade!
Holy crap! I never thought I'd see the day when nearly all of the posts in a thread about a Microsoft product would be *defensive*! Time to clean out the fallout shelter!
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I think one of the biggest hurdles Microsoft would face in implementing something like your suggesting is the DoJ. After Google forced the Desktop Search subject, Microsoft has to submit copies of SP1 for inspection to make sure they aren't interfering. An update on the scale of incorperating these features into Windows would really have to come in Service Pack form, which would certainly be caught. Although I can see how such conclusions could be drawn, I don't see it as being something Microsoft could actually pull off, even if they really wanted to. It's just too far-reaching. And besides, technical support for MS would have a fit at needing to support all of these extra 'features'.
As an aside, slightly away from this topic, most of the not-so-computer-savy people that I've worked with before are constantly complaining about Microsoft *not* incorperating features like these in Windows. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Can you point me to the articles in question? I'm having a bit of a time finding those specific two.
Thanks!
Wow...
Take a breath, then relax.
Better now? Good. I like the highlighting, the added speculation on my thoughts is very creative, although more than a off the mark. Well, completely missing it would be more like it. In all honest, your post only proves my point further in that nothing Microsoft does can go without FUD, and any defense of them must be fanboyism of the worst sort.
In the end, time will tell, and you never know - I may be completely wrong. My money, however, is on this staying in the "Live" services end of things.
Common, people, actually go and look at what they are doing for a change. This isn't something that is being bundled with Windows (Vista or otherwise), it's a download, just like the Google Pack. You can still get the programs seperately, or you can use this new installer to pick and choose. This isn't something that will come in the form of an Automatic Update, because not only is it from different product group ("Windows Live... is branding and nothing more), but things like Live OneCare require a Paid Subscription past the trial period. Rant over. Karam down the drain. I'm just sick of seeing so much FUD on Slashdot, anti-Microsoft or otherwise. I know it's not going to stop, but can we at least calm it down a little?
...they could make a 'Streets-to-English' translator, we'll be set. I really don't want to 'shizzle' anyone's 'nizzle' until I know what I'd be doing to what.
...just because you aren't paranoid doesn't mean the whole would ISN'T out to get you.
...and we were instructed during training to *never* refer to them as Laptops, only as Notebooks, for just that issue: Toshibas tend to run hot, and the result is anything from a sweaty leg to threats of legal actions due to near-burns.
...the video cards. Sure you can get a docking station to provide all of the other fun stuff that a desktop has (like (additional) serial ports, more USB ports, an extra LAN jack, etc...), however laptops still haven't overcome the limitation of un-upgradable video cards. Sure you can get expensive laptops with high-end cards, but when all of the games move to the newest version of DirectX, if you want to play them and keep the FPS up, you have to get a new laptop. Until the industry moves to swappable graphics cards, laptops won't be the be-all-end-all replacement for the desktop computer.
...is to have dual computers.
Wait....
rather than any genuine advantage).
No need to turn this in to a Microsoft flame war! ^.^
Good bye, sweet Karma....
Umm, has anyone checked the temperature up here lately? Yesterday we hit 36 Degrees Celsius (that's around 96 Degrees Fahrenheit) and it supposed to go higher still. Colder? Not by much!
Hello, Pot? This it Kettle. You're black! Seriously, you seem to be fairly unforgiving....
Microsoft does not forbid OEMs from shipping disks with their computers - instead, they give the OEM an option as whether to ship the disks or provide a Recovery Disk/Partition system of their own design. There are many not-so-large OEM's that ship their computers with a Windows DVD that's only difference from the Retail disk is the label.
As for not being able to give out the disks later, as a replacement? Wrongo! Again, that's OEM policy, not Microsoft's.
Blame the OEM for the crappy recovery process and lack of disks, not Microsoft.
You kids today and your JFKFC...
Not to explicitly drive this more off topic, but it's actually a wusb11 2.6, and the currently discussed workarounds for it, including editing /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist to enable the driver, fail as well. Combine this with several other major bugs that I'm surprised to see in a final release, I've gone back to 6.10 where things work again. Hopefully in a future build they'll have this and other wireless issues worked out.
Yes, because we all know that MS is the only company that ships a new version of an OS with bugs in it. I would be posting this from my kubuntu laptop running 7.04, but I can't seem to get my wusb adapter to work despite the fact that it was fine out-of-the-box in 6.10....
I have to agree. All of my existing content, as well as some newly...er...'aquired' content works just fine. I've never seen a trace of DRM added to anything on my system that I've created myself, so I have to call bs on this. There may be added support for DRM, but that doesn't mean that everything on the system is suddenly DRM-ridden.
Yes, that makes perfect sense. Pay a bunch of people to test a product for you. Of course, those people can't be counted on to reliably report their findings, and even if they were getting paid would probably still leak the software anyways. Besides, being able to trial software long before the vast majority of the public sees it in detail should be reward enough. I've been involved in quite a few Microsoft betas, as well as betas for other large software companies and out of all of them, Microsoft is usually the best for rewarding it's testers at the end of the run. For Live Messenger they sent out Messenger-logo Messenger bags. For Live OneCare, a free one-year subscription. Vista? A free copy of Ultimate. What did Symantec do for Norton 2006 (aside screw up)? A short email.
In the week leading up to MS releasing the new build of Home Server, many emails were sent kindly asking participants not to so much as blog about the new build because they wanted to make a public announcement about first. Not that difficult. And if you've ever tested pre-released software before, you know that you're not supposed to leak it. Yes it always happens, but that doesn't mean that you should.
I live in British Columbia, Canada, and subscribe to Shaw Cable's X-tream1 package. 100GB/month combined bandwidth at 10MBPS speeds for ~$50 a month. I've gone over bandwidth (usually only by 20-60GB) several times now and haven't been contacted, limited or cut off, so I'd give them a top rating.
It's also worth noting that they have a higher-end package that gives 25MBPS speeds and a bandwidth limit of 150GB.
I live in BC, the pot capital of North America, and all I can say is the only Chronic failure that I ever see is when someone tries to light up and either their out of Butane or didn't roll properly. Then again...
(catchpa: underway)
...you'd actually pay for Windows? ^_-
And what could be more fitting than a final total that includes the number '1024'? Truely, this is the greatest achivement of gamers and geeks everywhere! Hats off all around to Childplay and Penny Arcade!
Submitter has a bad case of EEOC (Equipment Exceeds Operators Capabilities).
Holy crap! I never thought I'd see the day when nearly all of the posts in a thread about a Microsoft product would be *defensive*! Time to clean out the fallout shelter!