You missed my point. If they can get to 480p, they can get to 1080i because it involves the same amount of setup. If they are as you describe, they'd still be at 480i, which isn't the max the Wii or the 360 or the PS3 outputs. 480p on the Wii requires the component cables and changing the system setting to 480p. 1080i on the PS3/360 requires component cables and...changing the system setting to 1080i.
My response was based on your original post where you said they could get to 480p. Not that they would simply leave it at 480i even with component cables.
The GP isn't insightful, it's an obvious commentary that has nothing to do with the problem at hand. The parent is right, if your computer is already compromised you're well past the phishing stage.
First of all, the PSP does not brick if you use modded firmware, I've played many games on mine fine. There is only risk of bricking while the firmware is being written to the PSP, obviously if there's a loss of power or something else in the middle of the procedure.
Second, no, it doesn't matter if you revert back to the original drive firmware, your XBox System ID has been banned forever. They don't check for a modded XBox each time you sign in to live and allow/deny access based on whether you're modded or not, they've been data mining information about which systems are modded for a while and now just permanently banned them.
What assumption? I'm saying that graphics and gameplay aren't mutually exclusive, and if you're saying my assumption is that it's possible to create experiences with physics and graphics and processing power the Wii doesn't have, then you sound uninformed. All of your early games you refer to, their graphics were top notch for their time. Of course you can imagine them being better when being away from the game for so long, but how does that help you when you power on the game and those goggles slowly slide off your head?
You also seem to be ignoring the fact that it's possible to have good gameplay and good graphics. Why not have both? The PS3 and the 360 allow both. The Wii only allows one avenue of experience. I'm sure some great gameplay experiences will come from the Wii, but to say you won't get that on the PS3 and 360 as well is pretty naive.
What? The Wii cranks out 480p with component cables. If they know enough to buy component cables, guess what, they know how to get up to 1080i. Troll somewhere else.
Rockstar has gone on record saying they've been having difficulty with the DVD9 limitation of the 360, and as a PS3 owner, it sucks thinking about what the game could've been had both systems used a higher capacity format. Honestly, the storage space is needed, and that's one of only two things I think are wrong about the 360 (the other is a non-standard hard drive...they pioneered standard HDs last gen, why step backwards?)
Except there's a bunch you forgot. Ratchet and Clank: ToD, Uncharted: Drakes Fortune are both shaping up to be HUGE titles. Of course Halo 3 is going to sell bucketloads, but honestly I don't see how you can say Blue Dragon, Forza 2, and Bioshock are better than all the SCEA exclusives coming this year. There's more in terms of numbers, and at least three (Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, and Uncharted) that are shaping up to be top notch AAA titles. If anything, the hands are about even at this point.
Sure they matter. With eye popping graphics and great physics etc. it's possible to create great gameplay experiences you won't be able to get on the Wii, just like the Wii will create experiences you won't be able to get on the 360/PS3.
Honestly, I'm all for gameplay, because it's a huge component in making a great game, but I would prefer a game with great gameplay and great everything else if we could get it. People don't seem to realize that you don't need to stop focusing on improving the power of the machine in order to enjoy great gameplay. I would gladly be willing to spend $400-$600 on a HD capable Wii with the Wiimote and power of the 360/PS3.
It's great that Nintendo has chosen to forge a new path and explore new opportunities for gameplay, but I get sick of hearing how the 360 and the PS3 must be inferior (and how anyone who is unsatisfied with the Wii so far is obviously not a true gamer) because they have great graphics and therefore no gameplay. It's simply not true. The PS2 had arguably some of the best gameplay experiences last generation, and they in no way skimped on the graphics. I realize that Nintendo is trying to broaden the market it targets, and I realize that's why they kept the performance down and the price low, but unfortunately (like the Gamecube) there are so far very few games that appeal to me on the Wii. For all the supposed great gameplay the Wii offers, you would think there would be more quality titles, or perhaps I'm just not part of the market they're targeting.
Worse than Dreamcast titles yes, but you're kidding me if you think PS2 titles looked worse than PS1/N64 titles. As far as I'm concerned, the Dreamcast isn't everything in the "anything else" category.
However, with the Wii, there are some titles that look shittier than Gamecube games. That's obviously the developers fault, but I still see that as pretty sad. The Wii has potential, and 3rd party support is great, but the likes of Spiderman 3/Far Cry Wii isn't the 3rd party support they need.
I think the primary factor behind this isn't the PS3, it's more the fact that it has yet to get a game released on it using Unreal Engine 3. I believe Unreal Tournament 3 will be the first one, and since it'll be multiplatform, we'll be able to truly compare the capabilities of each console.
For example, the age old Resistance vs. Gears of War argument from back in the day. Gears of War obviously comes out far far ahead in terms of looks, but this is mainly because UE3 included texture streaming support right away. Insomniac didn't build it in to their first engine on the PS3, and thus it didn't look as good. If you look at Ratchet and Clank PS3 however, it looks gorgeous. Surprise, it has texture streaming support.
If anything, the console wars between the 360 and PS3 have proven that no matter what the hardware, the game engine makes all the difference. I look forward to the release of UT3 to see if there are any notable differences between the two platforms, as I think it'll be the closest comparison we can get.
The games are in your local Gamestop/EB/BestBuy.
I keep hearing this over and over from people who think they're being clever, despite the fact there actually are games worth buying these days. I have a feeling a year from now we're still going to be hearing the same pundits saying "Man the PS3 needs games! Heavenly Sword, Lair, MGS4, along with the numerous multiplatform releases such as GTAIV, DMC4, Assassins Creed, etc. don't count! You have no games Sony!"
And of course, in traditional Slashdot fashion, they'll all be moderated Interesting/Insightful/Informative.
Yeah, they tend to do "universes" of games now. I believe the one coming up is the Fabula Nova Chrysalis(sp?) series, and so far yeah, the main game is PS3 exclusive with other games moving to other platforms (like FFagito13 for mobile phones)
I'm a North American launch owner. Admittedly my initial reason for buying the console was MGS4. I'm a total fanboy for that series, so there was no doubt in my mind that I was going to be getting a PS3.
That said, I have no buyers remorse. I really do love it. I think the reason you don't see a huge amount of PS3 supporters here is not only because there still aren't a ton of systems out there, but because being Slashdot most likely they'll get flamed to hell or called retards for spending $600 on a game console etc etc.
To give you an idea of how I use it, I currently have Resistance, Virtua Fighter 5, and Motorstorm. Resistance was a blast, and while I have no idea how it stands up to Gears (and it's definitely not a Halo killer) it still was great fun, especially with the imaginative weapons Insomniac loves putting in all their games. VF5 is great, lack of online play slightly disappointing but to be expected due to the nature of the fighting engine. Motorstorm I think was the title that most shocked me. I had been looking forward to it for quite a while after the demo but near release the reviews game out and it got relatively mediocre reviews, mainly because of the lack of game modes. So..I held back on my purchase for quite a while but ever since picking it up I'm glad I did. Not only are the graphics amazing, but the gameplay never ceases to be just downright fun, even with the lack of modes like single race and time trial.
I'd also like to mention my thoughts on the PSN. Having very briefly used XBox Live I don't feel I'm qualified to give a comparison between the two, but my experience has overall been very nice. My only complaint is that Resistance didn't integrate it's buddy list with the PSN, something that my other online title, Motorstorm, does very nicely. However, both games are lag free, and Resistance has awesome matchmaking, clan support, and all that jazz built in. I always hear people with XBL touting those features and I just thought I'd point out that we too are enjoying them. As for the Playstation Store, they could use some fatter download pipes, but other than that it's decent. I definitely think the XBLA interface is much nicer though. The PS Store is basically a webpage, and can be sluggish.
I did get Casino Royale to check out Blu-ray, and I was quite impressed. Not impressed enough to go and rebuy old DVDs though, however new purchases will probably be in Blu-ray if available. The picture quality is quite awesome, I just wish my receiver was newer so I could take advantage of the uncompressed LPCM 5.1 audio over HDMI. Oh, and I also convert a bunch of shows I download into a PS3 suitable format and transfer them over to watch them on the big screen.
Overall it's a pretty great experience. I always had plans to get an XBox360 sometime down the line, but what I'm getting now from the PS3 will tide me over until there are a bunch of titles that interest me on the 360 (and maybe a price drop). With Heavenly Sword looking like it's shaping up to be a great game, Lair looking promising (although I'm not completely convinced yet) and some blockbuster hits coming at the end of this year I'm pretty excited. Honestly, I hope this doesn't sound too much like some PR zombie taking advantage of the situation, because I'm not. It's the first time I've really got into about how much I enjoy the experience in hopes of shedding some light on the parts of the PS3 that aren't that bad (namely everything but the price;)
I agree completely. The problem with the PS3 is that the only way you can truly see if it's worth it is to sit down with it in your home and check it out. Once you do that, I would say the majority is going to come out liking the system very much. However, at the moment that's impossible. The only way to try it out is at a store in a shitty hotbox kiosk where the system has no airflow, overheats, has old crappy builds of games, etc etc.
I know 3 friends who have PS3s, and we all love them. It's not like we got together and said "Uh oh we hate this system but spent $600 on it so lets convince ourselves we love it," it really is quite nice. One of them also has a Wii, and of course he loves that too. It just makes me laugh when I read all this hate on the PS3 online and figure that the majority of the people hating on the console are people who've never really tried one.
As far as I know any rumors were squashed with the fact that it was "just a tech demo". I wouldn't hold your breath for the HD-DVD 360 either, although a new and improved one is probably coming soon, it won't have HD-DVD built in.
I know that they said they wanted to broaden support for all consoles, but if I'm remembering the statement you are, it was to prevent a single player dominating like last time.
I think the main downfall of the PS3 is that people are simply uninformed. Maybe it's a combination of the FUD being spread around the internet and bad PR by Sony, but you've shown yet another example of not really being "in the know" about the truths of what the system can and cannot do. For example:
You have a 720p TV but your forced to watch it in 480p because 720p is apparently the red-headed stepchild of hi-def. Your essentially watching a DVD. You take a progressive DVD player and play the Casino Royale on DVD and then the one on Blu-Ray on PS3 on that 720p and it's the same experience.
That's just false. All HDTV's support 1080i at the very least, and Blu-ray will output to 1080i. There's no problem.
I think that while half of Sony's problem is the price, the other half of their problem is that there are "problems" with the system that just don't exist.
HDMI audio-out is the best source of digital audio you can get at the moment. It has much more bandwidth available for audio than anything else.
Really though, it's only worth it if you've got a Blu-ray/HD-DVD player and a receiver that supports HDMI audio-in. If you've got that, HDMI is a must. The uncompressed 5.1 PCM surround tracks on many Blu-ray and some HD-DVD releases are unreal.
You allow your government to basically lie to your face, but when it comes to Sony they need to be 100% truthful and honest all the time, while being accountable for every action of every employee? How about holding that same standard to other corporations like Microsoft?
Sony has done some bad shit, but newsflash, so has everyone else. Perhaps if you stopped your anti-Sony hate parade once in a while (yeah I've seen you foaming at the mouth in pretty much every Sony story) you'd realize this.
You can download any of the Playstation Store titles on up to 5 different PS3s. On GameFAQs for example, people are already trading a download of a certain game for others. Trading money for a game share would work just as well.
You're right, this is the last thing I would've expected to hear coming from Microsoft. To make something positive of it, at least it shows some honesty..
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You missed my point. If they can get to 480p, they can get to 1080i because it involves the same amount of setup. If they are as you describe, they'd still be at 480i, which isn't the max the Wii or the 360 or the PS3 outputs. 480p on the Wii requires the component cables and changing the system setting to 480p. 1080i on the PS3/360 requires component cables and...changing the system setting to 1080i.
My response was based on your original post where you said they could get to 480p. Not that they would simply leave it at 480i even with component cables.
The GP isn't insightful, it's an obvious commentary that has nothing to do with the problem at hand. The parent is right, if your computer is already compromised you're well past the phishing stage.
First of all, the PSP does not brick if you use modded firmware, I've played many games on mine fine. There is only risk of bricking while the firmware is being written to the PSP, obviously if there's a loss of power or something else in the middle of the procedure.
Second, no, it doesn't matter if you revert back to the original drive firmware, your XBox System ID has been banned forever. They don't check for a modded XBox each time you sign in to live and allow/deny access based on whether you're modded or not, they've been data mining information about which systems are modded for a while and now just permanently banned them.
What assumption? I'm saying that graphics and gameplay aren't mutually exclusive, and if you're saying my assumption is that it's possible to create experiences with physics and graphics and processing power the Wii doesn't have, then you sound uninformed. All of your early games you refer to, their graphics were top notch for their time. Of course you can imagine them being better when being away from the game for so long, but how does that help you when you power on the game and those goggles slowly slide off your head?
You also seem to be ignoring the fact that it's possible to have good gameplay and good graphics. Why not have both? The PS3 and the 360 allow both. The Wii only allows one avenue of experience. I'm sure some great gameplay experiences will come from the Wii, but to say you won't get that on the PS3 and 360 as well is pretty naive.
What? The Wii cranks out 480p with component cables. If they know enough to buy component cables, guess what, they know how to get up to 1080i. Troll somewhere else.
Rockstar has gone on record saying they've been having difficulty with the DVD9 limitation of the 360, and as a PS3 owner, it sucks thinking about what the game could've been had both systems used a higher capacity format. Honestly, the storage space is needed, and that's one of only two things I think are wrong about the 360 (the other is a non-standard hard drive...they pioneered standard HDs last gen, why step backwards?)
Except there's a bunch you forgot. Ratchet and Clank: ToD, Uncharted: Drakes Fortune are both shaping up to be HUGE titles. Of course Halo 3 is going to sell bucketloads, but honestly I don't see how you can say Blue Dragon, Forza 2, and Bioshock are better than all the SCEA exclusives coming this year. There's more in terms of numbers, and at least three (Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, and Uncharted) that are shaping up to be top notch AAA titles. If anything, the hands are about even at this point.
Sure they matter. With eye popping graphics and great physics etc. it's possible to create great gameplay experiences you won't be able to get on the Wii, just like the Wii will create experiences you won't be able to get on the 360/PS3.
Honestly, I'm all for gameplay, because it's a huge component in making a great game, but I would prefer a game with great gameplay and great everything else if we could get it. People don't seem to realize that you don't need to stop focusing on improving the power of the machine in order to enjoy great gameplay. I would gladly be willing to spend $400-$600 on a HD capable Wii with the Wiimote and power of the 360/PS3.
It's great that Nintendo has chosen to forge a new path and explore new opportunities for gameplay, but I get sick of hearing how the 360 and the PS3 must be inferior (and how anyone who is unsatisfied with the Wii so far is obviously not a true gamer) because they have great graphics and therefore no gameplay. It's simply not true. The PS2 had arguably some of the best gameplay experiences last generation, and they in no way skimped on the graphics. I realize that Nintendo is trying to broaden the market it targets, and I realize that's why they kept the performance down and the price low, but unfortunately (like the Gamecube) there are so far very few games that appeal to me on the Wii. For all the supposed great gameplay the Wii offers, you would think there would be more quality titles, or perhaps I'm just not part of the market they're targeting.
Worse than Dreamcast titles yes, but you're kidding me if you think PS2 titles looked worse than PS1/N64 titles. As far as I'm concerned, the Dreamcast isn't everything in the "anything else" category.
However, with the Wii, there are some titles that look shittier than Gamecube games. That's obviously the developers fault, but I still see that as pretty sad. The Wii has potential, and 3rd party support is great, but the likes of Spiderman 3/Far Cry Wii isn't the 3rd party support they need.
I think the primary factor behind this isn't the PS3, it's more the fact that it has yet to get a game released on it using Unreal Engine 3. I believe Unreal Tournament 3 will be the first one, and since it'll be multiplatform, we'll be able to truly compare the capabilities of each console.
For example, the age old Resistance vs. Gears of War argument from back in the day. Gears of War obviously comes out far far ahead in terms of looks, but this is mainly because UE3 included texture streaming support right away. Insomniac didn't build it in to their first engine on the PS3, and thus it didn't look as good. If you look at Ratchet and Clank PS3 however, it looks gorgeous. Surprise, it has texture streaming support.
If anything, the console wars between the 360 and PS3 have proven that no matter what the hardware, the game engine makes all the difference. I look forward to the release of UT3 to see if there are any notable differences between the two platforms, as I think it'll be the closest comparison we can get.
The games are in your local Gamestop/EB/BestBuy. I keep hearing this over and over from people who think they're being clever, despite the fact there actually are games worth buying these days. I have a feeling a year from now we're still going to be hearing the same pundits saying "Man the PS3 needs games! Heavenly Sword, Lair, MGS4, along with the numerous multiplatform releases such as GTAIV, DMC4, Assassins Creed, etc. don't count! You have no games Sony!"
And of course, in traditional Slashdot fashion, they'll all be moderated Interesting/Insightful/Informative.
Yeah, they tend to do "universes" of games now. I believe the one coming up is the Fabula Nova Chrysalis(sp?) series, and so far yeah, the main game is PS3 exclusive with other games moving to other platforms (like FFagito13 for mobile phones)
I'm a North American launch owner. Admittedly my initial reason for buying the console was MGS4. I'm a total fanboy for that series, so there was no doubt in my mind that I was going to be getting a PS3.
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That said, I have no buyers remorse. I really do love it. I think the reason you don't see a huge amount of PS3 supporters here is not only because there still aren't a ton of systems out there, but because being Slashdot most likely they'll get flamed to hell or called retards for spending $600 on a game console etc etc.
To give you an idea of how I use it, I currently have Resistance, Virtua Fighter 5, and Motorstorm. Resistance was a blast, and while I have no idea how it stands up to Gears (and it's definitely not a Halo killer) it still was great fun, especially with the imaginative weapons Insomniac loves putting in all their games. VF5 is great, lack of online play slightly disappointing but to be expected due to the nature of the fighting engine. Motorstorm I think was the title that most shocked me. I had been looking forward to it for quite a while after the demo but near release the reviews game out and it got relatively mediocre reviews, mainly because of the lack of game modes. So..I held back on my purchase for quite a while but ever since picking it up I'm glad I did. Not only are the graphics amazing, but the gameplay never ceases to be just downright fun, even with the lack of modes like single race and time trial.
I'd also like to mention my thoughts on the PSN. Having very briefly used XBox Live I don't feel I'm qualified to give a comparison between the two, but my experience has overall been very nice. My only complaint is that Resistance didn't integrate it's buddy list with the PSN, something that my other online title, Motorstorm, does very nicely. However, both games are lag free, and Resistance has awesome matchmaking, clan support, and all that jazz built in. I always hear people with XBL touting those features and I just thought I'd point out that we too are enjoying them. As for the Playstation Store, they could use some fatter download pipes, but other than that it's decent. I definitely think the XBLA interface is much nicer though. The PS Store is basically a webpage, and can be sluggish.
I did get Casino Royale to check out Blu-ray, and I was quite impressed. Not impressed enough to go and rebuy old DVDs though, however new purchases will probably be in Blu-ray if available. The picture quality is quite awesome, I just wish my receiver was newer so I could take advantage of the uncompressed LPCM 5.1 audio over HDMI. Oh, and I also convert a bunch of shows I download into a PS3 suitable format and transfer them over to watch them on the big screen.
Overall it's a pretty great experience. I always had plans to get an XBox360 sometime down the line, but what I'm getting now from the PS3 will tide me over until there are a bunch of titles that interest me on the 360 (and maybe a price drop). With Heavenly Sword looking like it's shaping up to be a great game, Lair looking promising (although I'm not completely convinced yet) and some blockbuster hits coming at the end of this year I'm pretty excited. Honestly, I hope this doesn't sound too much like some PR zombie taking advantage of the situation, because I'm not. It's the first time I've really got into about how much I enjoy the experience in hopes of shedding some light on the parts of the PS3 that aren't that bad (namely everything but the price
I agree completely. The problem with the PS3 is that the only way you can truly see if it's worth it is to sit down with it in your home and check it out. Once you do that, I would say the majority is going to come out liking the system very much. However, at the moment that's impossible. The only way to try it out is at a store in a shitty hotbox kiosk where the system has no airflow, overheats, has old crappy builds of games, etc etc.
I know 3 friends who have PS3s, and we all love them. It's not like we got together and said "Uh oh we hate this system but spent $600 on it so lets convince ourselves we love it," it really is quite nice. One of them also has a Wii, and of course he loves that too. It just makes me laugh when I read all this hate on the PS3 online and figure that the majority of the people hating on the console are people who've never really tried one.
Um, yes it had an ultra-hard mode. Did you forget about God Mode?
As far as I know any rumors were squashed with the fact that it was "just a tech demo". I wouldn't hold your breath for the HD-DVD 360 either, although a new and improved one is probably coming soon, it won't have HD-DVD built in.
I know that they said they wanted to broaden support for all consoles, but if I'm remembering the statement you are, it was to prevent a single player dominating like last time.
I swear the PSP came with a 32 MB Memory Stick, was that removed in later bundles?
I think the main downfall of the PS3 is that people are simply uninformed. Maybe it's a combination of the FUD being spread around the internet and bad PR by Sony, but you've shown yet another example of not really being "in the know" about the truths of what the system can and cannot do. For example:
You have a 720p TV but your forced to watch it in 480p because 720p is apparently the red-headed stepchild of hi-def. Your essentially watching a DVD. You take a progressive DVD player and play the Casino Royale on DVD and then the one on Blu-Ray on PS3 on that 720p and it's the same experience.
That's just false. All HDTV's support 1080i at the very least, and Blu-ray will output to 1080i. There's no problem.
I think that while half of Sony's problem is the price, the other half of their problem is that there are "problems" with the system that just don't exist.
HDMI audio-out is the best source of digital audio you can get at the moment. It has much more bandwidth available for audio than anything else. Really though, it's only worth it if you've got a Blu-ray/HD-DVD player and a receiver that supports HDMI audio-in. If you've got that, HDMI is a must. The uncompressed 5.1 PCM surround tracks on many Blu-ray and some HD-DVD releases are unreal.
PS3 is region free with PS3 games. The PS2 hardware within the PS3 however, is not, and works exactly like the PS2 of old.
You allow your government to basically lie to your face, but when it comes to Sony they need to be 100% truthful and honest all the time, while being accountable for every action of every employee? How about holding that same standard to other corporations like Microsoft?
Sony has done some bad shit, but newsflash, so has everyone else. Perhaps if you stopped your anti-Sony hate parade once in a while (yeah I've seen you foaming at the mouth in pretty much every Sony story) you'd realize this.
You can download any of the Playstation Store titles on up to 5 different PS3s. On GameFAQs for example, people are already trading a download of a certain game for others. Trading money for a game share would work just as well.
You're right, this is the last thing I would've expected to hear coming from Microsoft. To make something positive of it, at least it shows some honesty..
Yeah, the 360 is awesome at playing regular DVDs. (You were kidding, right?)