Apparently it's not reasonable to expect adults to know the difference between a terrorist threat and teasing Siri, why hold 13 year olds to a higher standard?
Look, as long as there is blood, the crowds will be happy. Whose blood it is is largely irrelevant. This isn't about justice, it is about blood.
In this particular instance, the kid was the easier target. *shrug* Gotta love the world we live in...
While it would generally be expected that most here could watch and understand, I am betting that there are quite a few people who can not. They will look and see bright lights, lots of mouse pointer movement, and some explosions.
Thank you for explaining. Now I do not even have to watch. You explained it very well.:)
(but yes, i could watch and understand, it is just that SC is not my thing)
It's why did limiting the input allow the human to so easily fool the machine?
You are sincerely asking this question?
Any stage magician (or three year old near a cookie jar) could easily demonstrate the answer about limited input and orchestrating an expected "answer".
Money is based on resources. Those resources will still exist, it is just that they have been economically stolen... erm, redistributed.
Yes, once we hit the point where money has no value, it will be a complete bottom to top upheaval of a magnitude never before seen on this planet.
Billions will die before there is some semblance of resource sharing built up again. In the meantime, billions suffer as the tap from the resources get twisted tighter and tighter. Definitely not a bright and happy future. 80 years from now, things are going to be utterly insane, but society will still be held together somehow. Likely some breakthrough in psychology that permits the masses to see their starving and suffering as being virtuous...
Health care and women's education are the main factors that drove reproduction rates down, not stable governments or wealth.
To examine an implication: If the "human race" wants to survive, they have to ensure a sufficient population of ignorant females (Kardashians?) exist to keep birth rates sustainable.
Hey, strikethree... Do you work for Juul or something?
Valid question. Would it change the validity of my words if I did work for Juul? That is the wrong path to go down at this time. I would have led with a different question if I were you and sincerely asking the questions you are asking. Short answer: No. I do not work for Juul or anyone associated with Juul.
You seem to be more than a little defensive about acknowledging that Juul have played an instrumental role in causing an epidemic of underage vaping in the USA.
Obviously, this can't be a discussion. The conclusion is forgone: There is an epidemic of underage vaping. Now, the only question is whether or not Juul played any part in it.
Fuck off asshole. Prove there is an epidemic FIRST. After that, then we discuss any role any particular company may or may not have played in it.
So... about that epidemic... is this the same kind of epidemic as rock music or, as I suspect, is this the same kind of epidemic as teenage smoking of cigarettes?
But no, let's not have any rational discussion about any of this. Let's just charge head first into: THERE IS A FUCKING EPIDEMIC AND WE MUST HOLD SOMEONE OBVIOUS RESPONSIBLE!!!!11!1!1
If you had to ask me, you have no fucking clue what is going on around you but you feel fairly confident that you do. Comfortable enough to throw spears. If I had to guess, you are no longer a teenager and you have wrapped that entire experience up into a few pithy observations.
So, tell me about this "epidemic". Is it any worse than the normal epidemics that sweep through teenagers (in a numbers perspective)? Is it any worse than the normal epidemics that sweep through teenagers (in a self destructive perspective?) How many kids are dying? How many kids are developing diseases?
Whilst I agree that e-cigs are a good way to quit, I don't agree with this. A traditional cigarette gives a handy cue when to stop (the cig is all smoked, if I want to continue I have to light another one). When I tried an e-cig this cue to stop was absent, once I started puffing and then got distracted I often found myself still puffing away an hour later, consuming many times more nicotine than I would have from a single normal cig.
That is the neat thing about vaping. If you find yourself zoning out and just "puffing" constantly, put a lower dose of nicotine in so the average is closer to your target. Flexibility is nice.:)
That last bit should tell you something. Keep working so you don't need anything, especially a pacifier.:-)
Indeed. To me, the oral fixation part is the hardest part of quitting smoking. Once I get past the oral fixation, I am "permanently" cured. I stopped for 9 months previously but the oral fixation never left. This time, I have a plan for that.:)
As long as you're not exhaling those iconic giant (hipster-douche) vape clouds onto everyone around you.
Ugh!
Perhaps they're just harmless water vapor, but keep it to yourself man
Nobody else signed up for my issues; therefore, I keep them to myself. I would hope others would do the same.:)
I just noticed. You changed your.sig... not terribly long ago?
Wow. I have kind of disliked you over the years. Not enough to "Foe" you or anything... but damn, you are a real person here. I can respect that. I have disliked many of the things you have said in the past. You seem to lean waaaaaaayyyyy too far left for me.
This one comment. It is real. It is raw. I like it. I don't want you to become a radical or a rightie or anything other than just being real. Keep it up.:)
The description above clearly states "those holding advanced degrees granted by U.S. institutions", so not advanced degrees from overseas countries.
Holy shit! If they earned their degrees in America, why the fuck do they have to go through a lottery at all?! We should be offering those folks residency, not temp visas. WTF is going on here?
We don't need H1-B abuse, but sending away grads just seems... insane? No, it is the chair warmers that should be in the lottery (they shouldn't even be here), not graduates from American univerisites.
It is a shame that you an Anonymous Coward as there are some points to discuss here.
They're kids. They're really stupid.
I will grant that kids could be vaping because they are stupid. I honestly don't think it is really that simple all of the time, but I also have no doubt that it is true some of the time.
Juul has twice the nicotine content compared to other e-cigarettes.
OK. Are kids vaping Juul brand though? They can't buy them directly. Are all versions of Juul twice the nicotine or are just some? How many kids are we talking about here? What are the distributions concerning brands, nicotine content, and amount of kids participating?
In other words, your simple statement opened a whole can of worms. We can leave this one to the side for now since it will be addressed again shortly.
Some would have, some wouldn't have.
In other words, the availability is not the issue. Those products already can't be sold to anyone under 18, rather like alcohol for anyone under 21. We already tried prohibition with alcohol. Do we want to try it again with Nicotine?
Yes.
In what ways? Quantify the "hurt" please. I will start it off with an easy one: There is a possibility of them becoming addicted to nicotine.
Please add to this list because the reason I gave is not a reason to ban vaping (keeping in mind it is already illegal for kids).
I have yet to see a reviewed and accepted scientific study on any of this. Everyone has a fucking axe to grind and it is getting on my nerves.
From my point of view, vaping is as harmless as perfume and just as obnoxious. The only time it gets interesting is when you are discussing nicotine content. From what I have seen, nicotine is a fairly safe chemical to ingest and acts as a mild stimulant.
It is the burning to release the nicotine (in regular smoking) that is the real issue with smoking. The particulates alone are nasty, and that is not even considering the cornucopia of chemicals that results from burning the concoction that modern cigarettes out of.
But vaping has none of those chemicals other than nicotine (if desired) and there is no particulate matter to choke on. I am failing to see how the kids are being damaged.
The comparison is invalid. Electricity is good. Vaping does not provide a positive. It's just a less severely self-destructive behavior than smoking.
The comparison is valid. Taking the comparison to an extreme is invalid. Don't get tripped up on the coal/solar argument merely because solar is perceived as good and positive. No, the comparison is valid at the other end: coal and smoking are both nasty but that is not the point, the point is that the path to gaining electricity is not the same between coal and solar, just like the path to nicotine is not the same between smoking and vaping.
It is the path of coal that makes coal nasty. It is the path of gaining nicotine that makes nicotine nasty.
Take it any further than that and you get lost in irrelevancies like saying vaping is as good as solar. umm... that was not the point.
Vaping is a way of getting nicotine into your blood. It is simple and clean.
Smoking is a way of getting nicotine into your blood. It is complex and NASTY.
Unless you are going to ban all nicotine products, then you should be preferring that people vape rather than smoke. If you are going to ban all nicotine products, well, fuck you.:)
partly because of the immense problems dealing with radioactive waste.
If breeder reactors were not illegal (fear of proliferation), then burning all of that "waste" down would increase the amount of energy we can derive from nuclear AND make it so once everything is said and done, the only "waste" left will be indistinguishable from background radiation that we are exposed to every day by the huge nuclear plant in the sky.
Well, it is only partially nonsense. In this particular scenario, what he is saying is pointless... but this does actually point out the fact that Apple COULD deeply affect your business in this way even if you did not break a rule. That is the possibility that is scary. In this particular scenario, everything was kosher and above board.:)
This is a tempest in a teapot. Manufacturers know that survivability requires limited lifetime products. There are only 7 billion people on this planet which means it is very easy to limit your profitability if you can not generate repeat sales.
This would not normally be a problem. It is the nature of the beast. Where the problem comes in is greed. Sure, that iphone could last for 10 years easily... but, we want MORE money than default attrition would give... so the attrition rate is increased to where your phone will generally only last about two years rather than 10.
All because of greed, not because of entropy.
Since we are not going to ever deal with greed in a rational manner, we may as well just get used to having electronic waste build in a geometric fashion.
Your words have no use other than to stir shit up. We don't need assholes like you always stuck in a hatred loop.
As much as Trump sucks, I bet if someone found one good thing about Trump (unlikely, but work with me here), you would be utterly incapable of acknowledging it. That is how we know you are worthless shit. Hating is boring. Go away child.
No it wouldn't. The company that is legitimately setting its own caller-id owns all of the numbers that it is setting its caller ID to. You are equating
stop third-party caller ID spoofing?
with every phone must report its own number unambiguously.
Oh, and if you contract with a third party service for some functions, then you just submit that paperwork to the telco and they can add a number you do not own to a number that you can use as part of presenting your caller id information.
Seriously. This shit is NOT hard to figure out. The only thing making it difficult is greed and desire.
I hope more schools do this. Wean them off smartphones and their addiction to them.
Oooooooo.
That is the parent's job. I hope we start relying less on schools to be the parents. They do a shitty job of it, but that is not surprising as the schools were not designed to be a surrogate family.
This is why I don't own any "modern" game consoles. Everything up to about the PlayStation 2 was awesome. After that, the DRM aspect became waaaaaaaaaay too onerous.
I had a PS3 because someone didn't want theirs anymore. I bought a couple games for it, but I am unsure of whatever became of that console. The first game I bought required a "patch" that was greater than a gigabyte. I literally was not permitted to play this game I just bought until I connected the PS3 to a network and downloaded the update.
Fuck. That. Shit.
It was the DRM mechanisms preventing me from playing a new game until I connected the PS3 to the network for some sort of grace granting me access to the game. Of course, once that grace was given, it was no longer the DRM mechanisms keeping me from playing. Now, it was just that the distributor deciding that I can't play an unpatched game.
I still blame DRM for preventing me from playing a game that I legitimately bought and paid for. I was in a remote location so it wasn't just a matter of minutes of waiting. It was weeks.
It's no surprise that the conservative voice here on drudgedot couldn't pass on including the GOP opinion on the matter.
This is how I know you wandered in to the wrong area of the Internet my friend.
Many of the people here are conservative with a SMALL c). There are a few Conservatives, and many times, the conservative people here find that the Conservative agenda fits their narrative, but conservatives here are not Conservatives.
Very few of the folks here are group oriented; therefore, there are very few followers here.
You, and several others, are extremely left leaning, which is not a problem at all here, but you are mindlessly left leaning... and that IS a problem.
Slashdot is still alive because of this group of non-groupers. Independent thought is highly valued and people like yourself refuse to independently think about certain ideas and subjects.
I am not trying to kick you off of Slashdot. That is not how the folks gathered at Slashdot work. Anyone is welcome as long they engage honestly. Your mindless toeing of the party line... presents an interesting situation, but nobody will kick you out for it. You do believe that by submitting your will to the Democratic platform that you will make the world a better place. I personally disagree, it is not that simple, but meh.
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Fuck off. Your comment is not useful in any way.
There is no "justice" to serve here. Only court fines and shattered dreams.
There is blood. That is sufficient.
Seen any witches recently?
Apparently it's not reasonable to expect adults to know the difference between a terrorist threat and teasing Siri, why hold 13 year olds to a higher standard?
Look, as long as there is blood, the crowds will be happy. Whose blood it is is largely irrelevant. This isn't about justice, it is about blood.
In this particular instance, the kid was the easier target. *shrug* Gotta love the world we live in...
You could know if you'd watch the games.
While it would generally be expected that most here could watch and understand, I am betting that there are quite a few people who can not. They will look and see bright lights, lots of mouse pointer movement, and some explosions.
Thank you for explaining. Now I do not even have to watch. You explained it very well. :)
(but yes, i could watch and understand, it is just that SC is not my thing)
It's why did limiting the input allow the human to so easily fool the machine?
You are sincerely asking this question?
Any stage magician (or three year old near a cookie jar) could easily demonstrate the answer about limited input and orchestrating an expected "answer".
TL;DR, re/indirection
Kind of.
Money is based on resources. Those resources will still exist, it is just that they have been economically stolen... erm, redistributed.
Yes, once we hit the point where money has no value, it will be a complete bottom to top upheaval of a magnitude never before seen on this planet.
Billions will die before there is some semblance of resource sharing built up again. In the meantime, billions suffer as the tap from the resources get twisted tighter and tighter. Definitely not a bright and happy future. 80 years from now, things are going to be utterly insane, but society will still be held together somehow. Likely some breakthrough in psychology that permits the masses to see their starving and suffering as being virtuous...
Health care and women's education are the main factors that drove reproduction rates down, not stable governments or wealth.
To examine an implication: If the "human race" wants to survive, they have to ensure a sufficient population of ignorant females (Kardashians?) exist to keep birth rates sustainable.
Just odd thoughts. :)
Permit me to say: LOL
I am shocked, shocked I say. ;)
Hey, strikethree... Do you work for Juul or something?
Valid question. Would it change the validity of my words if I did work for Juul? That is the wrong path to go down at this time. I would have led with a different question if I were you and sincerely asking the questions you are asking. Short answer: No. I do not work for Juul or anyone associated with Juul.
You seem to be more than a little defensive about acknowledging that Juul have played an instrumental role in causing an epidemic of underage vaping in the USA.
Obviously, this can't be a discussion. The conclusion is forgone: There is an epidemic of underage vaping. Now, the only question is whether or not Juul played any part in it.
Fuck off asshole. Prove there is an epidemic FIRST. After that, then we discuss any role any particular company may or may not have played in it.
So... about that epidemic... is this the same kind of epidemic as rock music or, as I suspect, is this the same kind of epidemic as teenage smoking of cigarettes?
But no, let's not have any rational discussion about any of this. Let's just charge head first into: THERE IS A FUCKING EPIDEMIC AND WE MUST HOLD SOMEONE OBVIOUS RESPONSIBLE!!!!11!1!1
If you had to ask me, you have no fucking clue what is going on around you but you feel fairly confident that you do. Comfortable enough to throw spears. If I had to guess, you are no longer a teenager and you have wrapped that entire experience up into a few pithy observations.
So, tell me about this "epidemic". Is it any worse than the normal epidemics that sweep through teenagers (in a numbers perspective)? Is it any worse than the normal epidemics that sweep through teenagers (in a self destructive perspective?) How many kids are dying? How many kids are developing diseases?
Or is this just a moral panic?
Whilst I agree that e-cigs are a good way to quit, I don't agree with this. A traditional cigarette gives a handy cue when to stop (the cig is all smoked, if I want to continue I have to light another one). When I tried an e-cig this cue to stop was absent, once I started puffing and then got distracted I often found myself still puffing away an hour later, consuming many times more nicotine than I would have from a single normal cig.
That is the neat thing about vaping. If you find yourself zoning out and just "puffing" constantly, put a lower dose of nicotine in so the average is closer to your target. Flexibility is nice. :)
Congratulations, keep it up! (sincerely)
Thank you.
That last bit should tell you something. Keep working so you don't need anything, especially a pacifier. :-)
Indeed. To me, the oral fixation part is the hardest part of quitting smoking. Once I get past the oral fixation, I am "permanently" cured. I stopped for 9 months previously but the oral fixation never left. This time, I have a plan for that. :)
As long as you're not exhaling those iconic giant (hipster-douche) vape clouds onto everyone around you.
Ugh!
Perhaps they're just harmless water vapor, but keep it to yourself man
Nobody else signed up for my issues; therefore, I keep them to myself. I would hope others would do the same. :)
I just noticed. You changed your .sig... not terribly long ago?
I remember.
Wow. I have kind of disliked you over the years. Not enough to "Foe" you or anything... but damn, you are a real person here. I can respect that. I have disliked many of the things you have said in the past. You seem to lean waaaaaaayyyyy too far left for me.
This one comment. It is real. It is raw. I like it. I don't want you to become a radical or a rightie or anything other than just being real. Keep it up. :)
The description above clearly states "those holding advanced degrees granted by U.S. institutions", so not advanced degrees from overseas countries.
Holy shit! If they earned their degrees in America, why the fuck do they have to go through a lottery at all?! We should be offering those folks residency, not temp visas. WTF is going on here?
We don't need H1-B abuse, but sending away grads just seems... insane? No, it is the chair warmers that should be in the lottery (they shouldn't even be here), not graduates from American univerisites.
It is a shame that you an Anonymous Coward as there are some points to discuss here.
They're kids. They're really stupid.
I will grant that kids could be vaping because they are stupid. I honestly don't think it is really that simple all of the time, but I also have no doubt that it is true some of the time.
Juul has twice the nicotine content compared to other e-cigarettes.
OK. Are kids vaping Juul brand though? They can't buy them directly. Are all versions of Juul twice the nicotine or are just some? How many kids are we talking about here? What are the distributions concerning brands, nicotine content, and amount of kids participating?
In other words, your simple statement opened a whole can of worms. We can leave this one to the side for now since it will be addressed again shortly.
Some would have, some wouldn't have.
In other words, the availability is not the issue. Those products already can't be sold to anyone under 18, rather like alcohol for anyone under 21. We already tried prohibition with alcohol. Do we want to try it again with Nicotine?
Yes.
In what ways? Quantify the "hurt" please. I will start it off with an easy one:
There is a possibility of them becoming addicted to nicotine.
Please add to this list because the reason I gave is not a reason to ban vaping (keeping in mind it is already illegal for kids).
I have yet to see a reviewed and accepted scientific study on any of this. Everyone has a fucking axe to grind and it is getting on my nerves.
From my point of view, vaping is as harmless as perfume and just as obnoxious. The only time it gets interesting is when you are discussing nicotine content. From what I have seen, nicotine is a fairly safe chemical to ingest and acts as a mild stimulant.
It is the burning to release the nicotine (in regular smoking) that is the real issue with smoking. The particulates alone are nasty, and that is not even considering the cornucopia of chemicals that results from burning the concoction that modern cigarettes out of.
But vaping has none of those chemicals other than nicotine (if desired) and there is no particulate matter to choke on. I am failing to see how the kids are being damaged.
The comparison is invalid. Electricity is good. Vaping does not provide a positive. It's just a less severely self-destructive behavior than smoking.
The comparison is valid. Taking the comparison to an extreme is invalid. Don't get tripped up on the coal/solar argument merely because solar is perceived as good and positive. No, the comparison is valid at the other end: coal and smoking are both nasty but that is not the point, the point is that the path to gaining electricity is not the same between coal and solar, just like the path to nicotine is not the same between smoking and vaping.
It is the path of coal that makes coal nasty.
It is the path of gaining nicotine that makes nicotine nasty.
Take it any further than that and you get lost in irrelevancies like saying vaping is as good as solar. umm... that was not the point.
Vaping is a way of getting nicotine into your blood. It is simple and clean.
Smoking is a way of getting nicotine into your blood. It is complex and NASTY.
Unless you are going to ban all nicotine products, then you should be preferring that people vape rather than smoke. If you are going to ban all nicotine products, well, fuck you. :)
partly because of the immense problems dealing with radioactive waste.
If breeder reactors were not illegal (fear of proliferation), then burning all of that "waste" down would increase the amount of energy we can derive from nuclear AND make it so once everything is said and done, the only "waste" left will be indistinguishable from background radiation that we are exposed to every day by the huge nuclear plant in the sky.
It sounds like he a polisher, not a source of information. It is a useful and desirable thing, but leads to some very weird numbers.
Well, it is only partially nonsense. In this particular scenario, what he is saying is pointless... but this does actually point out the fact that Apple COULD deeply affect your business in this way even if you did not break a rule. That is the possibility that is scary. In this particular scenario, everything was kosher and above board. :)
This is a tempest in a teapot. Manufacturers know that survivability requires limited lifetime products. There are only 7 billion people on this planet which means it is very easy to limit your profitability if you can not generate repeat sales.
This would not normally be a problem. It is the nature of the beast. Where the problem comes in is greed. Sure, that iphone could last for 10 years easily... but, we want MORE money than default attrition would give... so the attrition rate is increased to where your phone will generally only last about two years rather than 10.
All because of greed, not because of entropy.
Since we are not going to ever deal with greed in a rational manner, we may as well just get used to having electronic waste build in a geometric fashion.
Enjoy the ride.
You are noise. Unwanted noise. Shut the fuck up.
Great, Trump sucks. What do you want? A medal?
Your words have no use other than to stir shit up. We don't need assholes like you always stuck in a hatred loop.
As much as Trump sucks, I bet if someone found one good thing about Trump (unlikely, but work with me here), you would be utterly incapable of acknowledging it. That is how we know you are worthless shit. Hating is boring. Go away child.
No it wouldn't. The company that is legitimately setting its own caller-id owns all of the numbers that it is setting its caller ID to. You are equating
stop third-party caller ID spoofing?
with every phone must report its own number unambiguously.
Oh, and if you contract with a third party service for some functions, then you just submit that paperwork to the telco and they can add a number you do not own to a number that you can use as part of presenting your caller id information.
Seriously. This shit is NOT hard to figure out. The only thing making it difficult is greed and desire.
I hope more schools do this. Wean them off smartphones and their addiction to them.
Oooooooo.
That is the parent's job. I hope we start relying less on schools to be the parents. They do a shitty job of it, but that is not surprising as the schools were not designed to be a surrogate family.
The problem is the concessions the copyright lobby have forced upon them - they made them implement automated systems for copyright infringement
They made them?! Google could buy out the entire Entertainment Industry if it wanted.
No. The copyright goons made Google do this stuff like a roach makes you buy insect poison.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
We already know how this all plays out. What is old is new again.
This is why I don't own any "modern" game consoles. Everything up to about the PlayStation 2 was awesome. After that, the DRM aspect became waaaaaaaaaay too onerous.
I had a PS3 because someone didn't want theirs anymore. I bought a couple games for it, but I am unsure of whatever became of that console. The first game I bought required a "patch" that was greater than a gigabyte. I literally was not permitted to play this game I just bought until I connected the PS3 to a network and downloaded the update.
Fuck.
That.
Shit.
It was the DRM mechanisms preventing me from playing a new game until I connected the PS3 to the network for some sort of grace granting me access to the game. Of course, once that grace was given, it was no longer the DRM mechanisms keeping me from playing. Now, it was just that the distributor deciding that I can't play an unpatched game.
I still blame DRM for preventing me from playing a game that I legitimately bought and paid for. I was in a remote location so it wasn't just a matter of minutes of waiting. It was weeks.
It's no surprise that the conservative voice here on drudgedot couldn't pass on including the GOP opinion on the matter.
This is how I know you wandered in to the wrong area of the Internet my friend.
Many of the people here are conservative with a SMALL c). There are a few Conservatives, and many times, the conservative people here find that the Conservative agenda fits their narrative, but conservatives here are not Conservatives.
Very few of the folks here are group oriented; therefore, there are very few followers here.
You, and several others, are extremely left leaning, which is not a problem at all here, but you are mindlessly left leaning... and that IS a problem.
Slashdot is still alive because of this group of non-groupers. Independent thought is highly valued and people like yourself refuse to independently think about certain ideas and subjects.
I am not trying to kick you off of Slashdot. That is not how the folks gathered at Slashdot work. Anyone is welcome as long they engage honestly. Your mindless toeing of the party line... presents an interesting situation, but nobody will kick you out for it. You do believe that by submitting your will to the Democratic platform that you will make the world a better place. I personally disagree, it is not that simple, but meh.