Whoever you are, this was ++insightful, and ++informative. For whatever reason you chose AC, I will still give you unofficial 'Kudos' for that. Looking at the parent's UID, you might have included an:"are you extremely new here" phrase in your comment...it would be applicable in so many ways.
Well done, AC!!! Whoever you are! I have also 'bookmarked' this one, and used the F.E.B.E. extension for Firefox to back up the bookmarks.:-)
Well, thanks for the reply! I was just curious in relation to the topic of discussion, and thought you might have some insight here for me.:-)
If you can 'spill the beans*', what software did you use for this so I could find out...I am recovering from surgery and on 'temporary disability' while I recover. If you check my posts, you can confirm that I have had way too much time to hang out here!(too much time to post while drunk!- check my 'foes' list!)
*If not, any ideas of what I can use with GNU/Linux(Kubuntu 9.04) to check this?
Don't put too much effort in this, as it is more of a 'what if' thing for me, and not a vital 'need'. (don't be afraid to just 'blow it off', as it would just be an 'academic exercise' for me:-)
My brother does this kind of stuff for the US State Department, but we are not 'exactly' on speaking terms for the moment.(my next project to tackle, but it's complicated)
So in my opinion it really is to late, they needed to release a couple years ago. As it stands, I think they've missed the boat.
Overall, I generally agree with your post, but I am not so quick to write Theora off.
What I do propose though, is to call this phenomenon the "Duke Nukem Forever Effect", in honor of DNF dying.[tongue_in_cheek]
All joking aside, you raise valid points, but I hope you are wrong about Theora being 'too little, too late'*, as I see a lot of benefit to the end user overall with it in use.
Timing is important. If your product isn't ready when it is needed, it isn't going to get used no matter how awesome it is in the end.
How very true, and will be more of a factor as we 'progress in technology'.
I will offer a small counter argument though: sometimes looking 'back' at tech/ideas we discarded in the past can have some significant bearing on now/future tech.(more like what was impossible in the past may be possible and useful now/in the future. YMMV, of course)
As much as I hate Apple's domination of the hardware music player market, that's the reality.
I agree 100%. It is to the point now that for mp3 players, everyone is trying to 'play catch-up' with Apple, for better or worse. It's just the fact of reality for now. It could change, and probably will.
I however will not even try to attempt to predict what the changes may be...there are too many variables in too many related/significant areas IMHO. It would be easy at this stage to expect some undefined hardware/software combo to take off in directions most people could not predict accurately: cell/smart phones, netbooks, e-book readers, mini hand-held PDA-like PC's, XXX, etc....mastoid implants with an implanted PC....
Talk to average users, and ask them "what is a flac file?", and "what is a wav file?", then ask them "which one would you use to record audio?". 99.999% would say "wav".
Actually, that percentage of your 'average users' would just *blink* with glazed over eyes...and not have a clue what you are talking about. I say this after having worked tech support for Creative Labs, dealing with mp3 players and your 'average users.
Now I will agree that more 'average users' will recognise a *.wav file as a sound file compared to recognising a *.flac file as a sound file...if we leave 'lossless' and other qualifiers out of the equation.
But 99.999%????...'average users'??? Hah! I would not touch that statistic with a bleach-soaked 10 foot pole, because I know where you pulled it from, and it's drawing flies already, because it stinks so bad!
What about as you said, formatting with the Windows installer(say XP/NTFS), then reformatting with a Linux live cd in ext3? I've no reason to ask except curiosity, but have often wondered how effective this would be regarding 'wiping' a HDD.
Man, you Marines... This should get added to the USMC mission planning. Have all branches/departments of the Fed. Gov't. turn over their HDD's to the USMC for destruction. Use it as a 'punishment detail' for minor infractions.
Sounds like a perfect solution: HDD's need destroyed Marines needing punishment for that brawl in the bar Marines are Masters of Destruction
Note:see 'subject', as I was 'smiling when I said that!'[former US Army dogface here]
Par for the course. You young whippersnappers have no generational achievements to claim, so you started renaming and re-categorising everything to make your mark. That's why 'we' spell words with 'z' in place of the traditional 's', Web 2.0, "Cloud Computing", 'leveraging the synergy of value-added and feature rich applications of *pukes* blah blah blah(more 'marketdroidspeak'...LOL!)
So you are surprised that 'lab rat' was changed to the more 'politically correct' label of 'animal models'? Hah! That's pretty funny! Oops, excuse me, I meant: LOL!!!ROFLCOPTER!!111!!! *sigh* n00bs!...Now get off my lawn!
You picked a piss-poor example to promote your cause.
Are you not old enough to remember thalidomide, or are you so old that you've forgotten it?
Right in the middle. I know, and remember. It was also reintroduced in 1998 into the USA pharmacopoeia...where have you been these last eleven years?
Oh? Your still running on 'old' FUD. Okay, that makes sense from the rest of your comment.
Your a good one to be throwing that 'naive' label around.
Why yes, I am a 'flipper' baby. (born in 1958, and watched the TV show 'Flipper') Thalidomide was on the market/available from 1957 until 1961. As of 1998, it is back in full force, with full approval.
I fail to see the relevancy of your post, unless you are pushing some private agenda?
Okay, I've seen this 'mindlessness' echoed down this thread, so I 'went for the head of the serpent', so to speak. Speaking as someone that has worked in the medical profession, and has close ties to those that still do, I will categorically deny the delusional accusations of your post.
What you accuse all of us for may be true on the 'C*O', PHB level, but I can assure you from the 'Doctor' level and down, that the prevailing attitude is 'take care of the patient to the best of our abilities'. Period. Yes, there will be exceptions/outliers, but that is true with any profession.
Your blanket assertions and overly broad generalizations do an insulting disservice to the medical community.
Well Bruce, yes...and no. It really depends on the classification, or 'schedule' of the drug in question, and where you are.
There are a lot of variables here that affect that ability to Rx.[prescribe] University, and Gov.'t associated Hospitals/Research facilities may have the ability to prescribe drugs/treatments that are not available to 'commercial' hospitals/clinics when talking about 'experimental' therapies/treatments. It's a semi-predictable crap-shoot once you learn the system.
A good 'rule of thumb' would to check the wiki link above(or trusted equivalent), and compare to your home State's laws. Yes, I apologise for a 'weasel' answer, but your State's laws have as much bearing as the 'Drug Schedule' classification for what can be legally prescribed.:-)
Oh, and yes, there are cases of severely conflicting laws/regulations! (most 'popular' example: Medicinal Marijuana: some places it can be prescribed, but there is no legal way to actually purchase your prescription in the USA. Also see Amsterdam Coffee Shops...not advocating, just pointing out the loudest bunch...)
There have been many times I have been tempted to mark you as 'foe' on/. I have refrained strictly because of a few 'similar posts' of yours[similar as to this one]. I realise that it probably does not matter to you in the least whether I mark you as friend or foe. The only reason/s I even bring this up is this/these:
My objection is not to that position; but to the special pleading with which TFS and TFA are laced. "I think that the FDA is wrong/illegal/unethical" is a perfectly coherent and respectable position. "I think that my area of interest should be excluded from FDA oversight because OMG even your own stem cells!!!" is just specious.
I agree 100% with that, but I feel you are 'cherry-picking' and 'twisting/spinning' to suit your point of view.
Okay, trash all of that above! I have reviewed, revised, and have rewritten my opinion and reply....
I mis-understood, and 'knee-jerked' the above reply. The reason I left it 'as is' was to allow you to see my faulty thought-progression/deductive reasoning failure. I consider it a learning experience, and I post this as 'F/OSS'.
My point was simply that stem cells, even the patient's own, are subject to legitimate questions of safety and efficacy to at least the same extent as other drugs, and to a greater extent than many. Either no drugs should be under the FDA's purview, or stem cells deserve to be. Either option is a fine position. I just don't like "FDA in general is fine; but stem cells are special for some poorly defined and irrelevant reason".
I am pretty sure this paragraph is what sparked my 'knee-jerk'. I have read it, and re-read it, and I am still wanting to :
1. "Proclaim: Amen, Brother!" 2. "Down with the Man! Up with Freedom!" (note: please tone down the 'hippie' quotient here, as I am not one) 3. WTF? 4. I don't get it, but I don't think I agree 5. You are nuts!
I am feeling a 'complete disconnect' here, so I will respectfully ask for some clarity.
I do not have a problem with: cloning, genetics, research with DNA, stem cell research(adult, or embryo) cyberpunk[with a 'grain of salt']
Just stated to give you some parameters to define my query. (note:I have been drinking, so I may be verbose!)
Vindication, Verification, Validation, or hit with a 'clue bat', I'm not sure what I'm heading for here.:-)
Yes, "fully tested" has to involve human trials at some point;
While I singled this quote to respond to, I do agree with the 'nature' and content of your post. But, I felt the need to address this statement, if even as a pedant.
The 'scientific/research' community may consider "x" to be 'fully tested' in 'human trials', but currently does not address the misconceptions between 'populace's perceptions' and these trials. *disclaimer-I am currently dismayed by the divide between science and 'public perception', and see a 'hard road ahead' for any new advances in science.*
I am not saying that I implicatively trust the 'drug companies' view, but there is a middle ground that may be more relevant in dealing with this specific issue...and 'issue' it is, IMHO.
"Fully tested" brings up many questions that cannot be answered without a NDA, or similar...'Trade Secrets','IP', and all that shite, you know. I am dubious without full disclosure. And yes, I am familiar with the 'process' to get a drug to the 'market'. As long as 'IP' is involved, I don't trust it to be in the publics best interests...I've seen how it works out too many times.
Yes, I am excited and hopeful about some of the 'new med tech', but I am dubious about it's utility to society due to 'IP' laws/trends...so no 'breath holding' works for me.
Slashdot Mirror
No.
He will probably still be 'throwing chairs' here on slashdot after he is dead. That's how those Windows zombies work...
Are you trying to suggest that's /not/ a negative aspect?
If it matters to them, they can get a clue. If not, then it does not matter.
It's a win-win situation in the long run.
Whoever you are, this was ++insightful, and ++informative.
For whatever reason you chose AC, I will still give you unofficial 'Kudos' for that.
Looking at the parent's UID, you might have included an:"are you extremely new here" phrase in your comment...it would be applicable in so many ways.
Well done, AC!!! Whoever you are! :-)
I have also 'bookmarked' this one, and used the F.E.B.E. extension for Firefox to back up the bookmarks.
Well, thanks for the reply! :-)
I was just curious in relation to the topic of discussion, and thought you might have some insight here for me.
If you can 'spill the beans*', what software did you use for this so I could find out...I am recovering from surgery and on 'temporary disability' while I recover.
If you check my posts, you can confirm that I have had way too much time to hang out here!(too much time to post while drunk!- check my 'foes' list!)
*If not, any ideas of what I can use with GNU/Linux(Kubuntu 9.04) to check this?
Don't put too much effort in this, as it is more of a 'what if' thing for me, and not a vital 'need'. (don't be afraid to just 'blow it off', as it would just be an 'academic exercise' for me:-)
My brother does this kind of stuff for the US State Department, but we are not 'exactly' on speaking terms for the moment.(my next project to tackle, but it's complicated)
So in my opinion it really is to late, they needed to release a couple years ago. As it stands, I think they've missed the boat.
Overall, I generally agree with your post, but I am not so quick to write Theora off.
What I do propose though, is to call this phenomenon the "Duke Nukem Forever Effect", in honor of DNF dying.[tongue_in_cheek]
All joking aside, you raise valid points, but I hope you are wrong about Theora being 'too little, too late'*, as I see a lot of benefit to the end user overall with it in use.
Timing is important. If your product isn't ready when it is needed, it isn't going to get used no matter how awesome it is in the end.
How very true, and will be more of a factor as we 'progress in technology'.
I will offer a small counter argument though: sometimes looking 'back' at tech/ideas we discarded in the past can have some significant bearing on now/future tech.(more like what was impossible in the past may be possible and useful now/in the future. YMMV, of course)
*my interpretation-correct if wrong, please.
Well, looking at your UID, I won't ask if you are new here, but....
'Bring up the GIMP!'[my pardons to Quentin T.]
As much as I hate Apple's domination of the hardware music player market, that's the reality.
I agree 100%. It is to the point now that for mp3 players, everyone is trying to 'play catch-up' with Apple, for better or worse. It's just the fact of reality for now.
It could change, and probably will.
I however will not even try to attempt to predict what the changes may be...there are too many variables in too many related/significant areas IMHO.
It would be easy at this stage to expect some undefined hardware/software combo to take off in directions most people could not predict accurately: cell/smart phones, netbooks, e-book readers, mini hand-held PDA-like PC's, XXX, etc....mastoid implants with an implanted PC....
Talk to average users, and ask them "what is a flac file?", and "what is a wav file?", then ask them "which one would you use to record audio?". 99.999% would say "wav".
Actually, that percentage of your 'average users' would just *blink* with glazed over eyes...and not have a clue what you are talking about.
I say this after having worked tech support for Creative Labs, dealing with mp3 players and your 'average users.
Now I will agree that more 'average users' will recognise a *.wav file as a sound file compared to recognising a *.flac file as a sound file...if we leave 'lossless' and other qualifiers out of the equation.
But 99.999%????...'average users'???
Hah! I would not touch that statistic with a bleach-soaked 10 foot pole, because I know where you pulled it from, and it's drawing flies already, because it stinks so bad!
I was 100% with you until...
...or your 100 GB collection of porn
No self-respecting geek would pass up adding to their pr0n collection!
What about as you said, formatting with the Windows installer(say XP/NTFS), then reformatting with a Linux live cd in ext3?
I've no reason to ask except curiosity, but have often wondered how effective this would be regarding 'wiping' a HDD.
I'll bet that results in some interesting 'pattern welded' trinkets!
Man, you Marines...
This should get added to the USMC mission planning. Have all branches/departments of the Fed. Gov't. turn over their HDD's to the USMC for destruction.
Use it as a 'punishment detail' for minor infractions.
Sounds like a perfect solution:
HDD's need destroyed
Marines needing punishment for that brawl in the bar
Marines are Masters of Destruction
Note:see 'subject', as I was 'smiling when I said that!'[former US Army dogface here]
That's just his 'split personality' talking.
What? He stole clothes, but put them back, so what did he steal? He set off the alarm but was allowed to leave so how did he get away?
Apparently he stole your reading comprehension.
He never said anything about the guy 'putting them back', you fabricated that one all by yourself.
He set off the alarm but was allowed to leave so how did he get away?
He got away by leaving.
Are all of your local news reports in zen koan form?
I'm pretty sure you have no clue what a 'zen koan' actually is.
Battlefield Vietnam (EA, 2004) also allowed adding your own mp3's to the game's music folder to be played back on any vehicle's/aircraft radio.
Ah!
Okay, gotcha'.
If the USA cannot or will not invest in basic science, move to a part of the world where 'biology' is not a dirty word.
Yes, I agree that this will happen irregardless of the US Gov't.'s plan/will.
Hah!HahHahHeeHeeHooHooHaaHowwwoww!!!
Par for the course.
You young whippersnappers have no generational achievements to claim, so you started renaming and re-categorising everything to make your mark.
That's why 'we' spell words with 'z' in place of the traditional 's', Web 2.0, "Cloud Computing", 'leveraging the synergy of value-added and feature rich applications of *pukes* blah blah blah(more 'marketdroidspeak'...LOL!)
So you are surprised that 'lab rat' was changed to the more 'politically correct' label of 'animal models'? Hah! That's pretty funny!
Oops, excuse me, I meant: LOL!!!ROFLCOPTER!!111!!!
*sigh*
n00bs!...Now get off my lawn!
You picked a piss-poor example to promote your cause.
Are you not old enough to remember thalidomide, or are you so old that you've forgotten it?
Right in the middle. I know, and remember. It was also reintroduced in 1998 into the USA pharmacopoeia...where have you been these last eleven years?
Oh? Your still running on 'old' FUD. Okay, that makes sense from the rest of your comment.
Your a good one to be throwing that 'naive' label around.
Why yes, I am a 'flipper' baby. (born in 1958, and watched the TV show 'Flipper')
Thalidomide was on the market/available from 1957 until 1961. As of 1998, it is back in full force, with full approval.
I fail to see the relevancy of your post, unless you are pushing some private agenda?
Okay, I've seen this 'mindlessness' echoed down this thread, so I 'went for the head of the serpent', so to speak.
Speaking as someone that has worked in the medical profession, and has close ties to those that still do, I will categorically deny the delusional accusations of your post.
What you accuse all of us for may be true on the 'C*O', PHB level, but I can assure you from the 'Doctor' level and down, that the prevailing attitude is 'take care of the patient to the best of our abilities'. Period.
Yes, there will be exceptions/outliers, but that is true with any profession.
Your blanket assertions and overly broad generalizations do an insulting disservice to the medical community.
I await your apology.
Well Bruce, yes...and no.
It really depends on the classification, or 'schedule' of the drug in question, and where you are.
There are a lot of variables here that affect that ability to Rx.[prescribe]
University, and Gov.'t associated Hospitals/Research facilities may have the ability to prescribe drugs/treatments that are not available to 'commercial' hospitals/clinics when talking about 'experimental' therapies/treatments. It's a semi-predictable crap-shoot once you learn the system.
A good 'rule of thumb' would to check the wiki link above(or trusted equivalent), and compare to your home State's laws. :-)
Yes, I apologise for a 'weasel' answer, but your State's laws have as much bearing as the 'Drug Schedule' classification for what can be legally prescribed.
Oh, and yes, there are cases of severely conflicting laws/regulations! (most 'popular' example: Medicinal Marijuana: some places it can be prescribed, but there is no legal way to actually purchase your prescription in the USA. Also see Amsterdam Coffee Shops...not advocating, just pointing out the loudest bunch...)
Dude!...Get a 'Second Life(tm)!
Won't someone think of the 'furries'?!?
*note: if this did not allow me to be mod'ed +***, and be a 'karma whore', I would not even be aware of 'Second Life'!*
There have been many times I have been tempted to mark you as 'foe' on /.
I have refrained strictly because of a few 'similar posts' of yours[similar as to this one].
I realise that it probably does not matter to you in the least whether I mark you as friend or foe.
The only reason/s I even bring this up is this/these:
My objection is not to that position; but to the special pleading with which TFS and TFA are laced. "I think that the FDA is wrong/illegal/unethical" is a perfectly coherent and respectable position. "I think that my area of interest should be excluded from FDA oversight because OMG even your own stem cells!!!" is just specious.
I agree 100% with that, but I feel you are 'cherry-picking' and 'twisting/spinning' to suit your point of view.
Okay, trash all of that above! I have reviewed, revised, and have rewritten my opinion and reply....
I mis-understood, and 'knee-jerked' the above reply. The reason I left it 'as is' was to allow you to see my faulty thought-progression/deductive reasoning failure. I consider it a learning experience, and I post this as 'F/OSS'.
I am pretty sure this paragraph is what sparked my 'knee-jerk'. I have read it, and re-read it, and I am still wanting to :
1. "Proclaim: Amen, Brother!"
2. "Down with the Man! Up with Freedom!" (note: please tone down the 'hippie' quotient here, as I am not one)
3. WTF?
4. I don't get it, but I don't think I agree
5. You are nuts!
I am feeling a 'complete disconnect' here, so I will respectfully ask for some clarity.
I do not have a problem with:
cloning,
genetics,
research with DNA,
stem cell research(adult, or embryo)
cyberpunk[with a 'grain of salt']
Just stated to give you some parameters to define my query. (note:I have been drinking, so I may be verbose!)
Vindication, Verification, Validation, or hit with a 'clue bat', I'm not sure what I'm heading for here. :-)
After all, we don't want to have doctors developing new treatments. That's what goveernment bureaucrats are best at.
[my emphasis]
Mod's: Give +1 for 'tongue-in-cheek-funny' responses...and hope the 'parent' was trying for +1'funny', if not, then 'Epic Fail!'
Get off of the fence, and say what you mean to say. Why be obtuse?
Yes, "fully tested" has to involve human trials at some point;
While I singled this quote to respond to, I do agree with the 'nature' and content of your post. But, I felt the need to address this statement, if even as a pedant.
The 'scientific/research' community may consider "x" to be 'fully tested' in 'human trials', but currently does not address the misconceptions between 'populace's perceptions' and these trials.
*disclaimer-I am currently dismayed by the divide between science and 'public perception', and see a 'hard road ahead' for any new advances in science.*
I am not saying that I implicatively trust the 'drug companies' view, but there is a middle ground that may be more relevant in dealing with this specific issue...and 'issue' it is, IMHO.
"Fully tested" brings up many questions that cannot be answered without a NDA, or similar...'Trade Secrets','IP', and all that shite, you know.
I am dubious without full disclosure.
And yes, I am familiar with the 'process' to get a drug to the 'market'. As long as 'IP' is involved, I don't trust it to be in the publics best interests...I've seen how it works out too many times.
Yes, I am excited and hopeful about some of the 'new med tech', but I am dubious about it's utility to society due to 'IP' laws/trends...so no 'breath holding' works for me.