Well, once I figured out what the LGBT acronym stood for I wondered exactly the same thing.
But, it took me several months to figure it out. I don't like guacamole, or tomatoes, so thinking it was some kind of 'hip, designer sandwich' like you would get at Starbucks, I never put much effort into researching it. Why would I want a Lettuce, Guacamole, Bacon, and Tomato sandwich?!?!? Ewww!
And I suppose the National Guard escoring black kids to high school was petty interference too?
I was just curious where this came from. More info please?
Note: This is not a troll/flame...I actually experienced that very thing during Junior High.Middle school in the late 1960's when they started forcibly desegregating schools. 'Bussing' was what we called the tactic, and I was one of the few 'token whiteboys' they 'bussed' to Malcolm X Middle School[all black school at the time], just outside of Wash. D.C. Interesting times, those three years...
So I know you are not making that up, just curious about your reference.:-)
Americans of all people should know just how nasty, cruel, and mean-spirited a small community can be.
You said a mouthful there! My Dad worked for NASA, and we got moved around a lot!(by High School, I had lived in eight different states. If I had a dollar for everytime I would hear:"you ain't from around here, are you?", as I was being surrounded or cornered, I could easily retire. (well, I think I would rather they be Euros, or Canadian Dollars!-)
The better buildings have stairs right next to the elevators.
No, No, No. A thousand times, No.
The buildings having stairwells next to the elevator are trading a lot of structural strength for lazy people. These buildings are not as structually sound as when the stairwells are away from the elevator shafts. There was a lot of engineering thought and experience with past disasters that results in few buildings being built with stairwells near elevator shafts.
No, the numbers would be the same. If you want to 'game the statistics' and change history, you may be able to pull that off, but I don't see how.
All of the numbers I listed were for total US citizen deaths, with no respect towards combat/soldier deaths. Just total USA citizens with no bias towards 'military personnel deaths'. Strictly deaths of USA citizens. If you want to 'game the system' in your favor, you could add somewhere around 10,000-30,000 US to the list, but those are/would be either MIA, or 'unaccounted for'
What it 'would have been' is beside the point. That has no change/bearing on the actual facts and statistics. That is all speculation and fantasy/fiction.
What If my Aunt had balls, she would be my Uncle...What If a frog had wings, it would not have to bruise it's ass getting around.....Are you picking up the pattern yet, or do I need to take you by the hand and lead you on to understanding?
*What is your point?
Really, WTF? Are you attempting the 'Chewbacca Defense' for some unseen purpose?
"What if" arguments are great for philosophy in an academic environment, but lack interest everywhere else....except online forums!-)
Did you miss the part where I acknowledged that the US did not enter WW1 until 1917? I even made a note of the post being on the 92nd Anniversary date.
How obtuse are you trying to be? "What if", indeed!
Yes, he apparently is using/spelling the word correctly.
From the link:
Etymology From Middle English *voluntarie - Old French volontaire - Latin voluntarius ("'willing, of free will'") - voluntas ("'will, choice, desire'") - volens, ppr. of velle ("'to will'"). [...]Derived terms * voluntarily
That one also tripped my grammar flag and my spel czekker, so I checked.:-)
BTW, I was going to reply to an earlier post of yours when that side tracked me.
Or do you suppose that the police never arrest the innocent? Perhaps in your country...
LOL! That was well done, sir. [see below]**
From earlier...It made me think. *ouch!*
Such a shame that the mother of democracies should come to this. Be warned by our bad example
** Funny how all three of us close cousins seem to be in a neck to neck race to the bottom. You pull ahead, then at the next turn, we pull ahead...ad nauseam. Australia, obviously is the third. My northern, Canadian cousins seem to be in the race also. Just wondering why, mind you...WTF?!?!?
Do/.ers have any suggestions about what I can do to fight this, or good ways to raise awareness?
Burn down the Capital. Doesn't matter whose, yours or mine. (if you go for mine, I'll help)
signed, a US Patriot
On a serious note, I don't have a good answer for you...we're up to our ears with the same alligators. I think it needs to start with massive copyright law reform. Until it gets back to sane levels, this can never be resolved.
Well, that breaks down when the FAA tries to take over control of one of the Navy's designated area of operations. When that happens, the FAA will lose, and rightfully so. You can't have civilian flights in weapons testing ranges etc....
...a one-hour, action-comedy series about Chuck Bartowski (Zachary Levi, "Less Than Perfect") -- a computer geek who is catapulted into a new career as the government's most vital secret agent....
Bragging rights aside, if I were to announce my clearance, that indicates that I may have access to information that someone may want, which could put myself, my family, my friends, and my neighbors at risk.
The waters are muddier than that. More often the reasons for something/position being classified carry no such risks. They can, but those are in a minority.
Example: 1976-77 I worked at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, in the NTTF** building. I had to hold a Top Secret clearance while working there. The reason? Some of the parts in my work area were classified. I was a Logistics Technician, in the Logistics Dept., Yes, basically nothing more than a parts man working behind the parts counter. The classified equipment? Some bit of electronics that were encased in gold sheetmetal, called Gold Bricks. They were part of the satellite tracking control system, and kept locked up. I had no access without a dept. supervisor to unlock them for me.
They were not classified due to the technology, they were classified due to their cost. They ranged from several hundred-thousand dollars apiece to several million apiece.
Hear! Hear! Anytime I run across it, I immediately move on. If it's an e-mail, it goes straight to the deleted folder-I don't even bother reading it.
I had a boss once that thought it would be 'cool' to use Comic Sans for his e-mail font. I would see the font, delete it and go on. After about a week of this(they kept coming more frequently as the week progressed), he comes by and asks if I got his e-mail. I told him, "yeah, but seeing the font, I thought you were just forwarding some comic or joke. I don't have time for that." It turns out I was not the only one by far. About half of us were doing the same. He changed his font promptly.
This means streaming services. pay a monthly fee and gain unlimited access to all the music you want.
Already been tried, and failed completely. Have you already forgotten the whole "Plays For Sure" debacle? People do not want locked into a 'rent your music' plan. They want the freedom to do what they want with it once they get it, and the media cartels want to kill that freedom, and keep control of the media exclusively and forever.
While that would be cool, Google would be foolish to get into this without being dragged into it. The big difference is Google being based in the USA would be staring down the barrel of US Media Cartel's BFG 9000 and their bought Gov't. TPB being in Sweden has a little more wiggle room against US copyright, until WTO and ACTA kill the sovereignty of USA's trade partners and make us all one big happy global consumer under the Corporate America Umbrella.
Hah! Think the world is in turmoil now with nationalistic conflicts? Wait about 20-30 years the way things seem to be heading and see the mess the Corporate Wars cause. The world is slowly turning into one big Cyberpunk game, with no way to pick up your dice and go home.
Sorry for the rant-still getting my coffee down!:-)
I guess I'm "willfully obtuse" because I don't see a "huge difference" here.
No, you're not, and there is not a "huge difference", as you recognize.
Your 'problem' is that when Big Media Cartel hands you a glass of their 'wonderful koolade', you recognize it as the goat piss it is.
Reform copyright laws back to sane levels, and most of this crap will just disappear. The insanity of copyright is the driving force behind TPB and similar outfits.
I lose no sleep over it. However I could not work for the auto industry, which is responsible for 102 deaths per day in the USA.(2008)
On average, automobiles have been responsible for 44,000 deaths per year for the past 34 years for a total of 1,491,922 deaths since 1974 in the USA.
One and a half million.
That's more than twice the number of USA citizens killed than all of the wars/conflicts we have been in since joining into World War 1.
In one third the time[34 years], automobiles have killed twice as many USA citizens as 92** years of war.
If you think I'm just pulling numbers out of my ass, I did check. You can do your own research if you care, but here is the bulk of numbers(they are all US deaths for that conflict, not just soldiers, but includes civilians):
WW1= 117,465 WW2= 418,500 Korea= 35,516 Vietnam= 58,159 Gulf War= 279(half-134 were accidents) Afghanistan= 636 Iraq War= 4,522(includes 249 contractors?) Total= 635,437 (I did not bother with our little field trips to Panama and Grenada)
Skip the argument that cars were not deliberately designed as weapons platforms like the Predator C is. It does not change the facts that cars easily kill more Americans than wars do. The numbers don't lie: 34 years of cars= 1,491,922 dead Americans, versus 635,437 from 92 years of war.
**Today is the anniversary of US Congress' voting in Declaration of War- April 17, 1917
The F4? are you seriously truting out the F4? I don't know about you, but the rest of us are talking about modern warfare. the F4 hasn't even been produced for over 25 years.
No, that was not his point. I also immediately thought of the F-4...strictly a missile platform, no guns. And every air to air combat pilot that flew them bitched about no guns until they got them.
Or maybe this will get his point across: Those that ignore history, are doomed to repeat it.
Ask any fighter pilot that has combat experience(air to air) how they would feel about removing the guns from their fighters, leaving only missiles for air to air.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but technology has change.
Well thank you Captain Obvious.
I've had the good fortune to have rode in both an F-4, and an F-15. Changes in tech? Yeah, so? Happens all of the time.
For the point he was making, the F-4 was the perfect example to use.
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Is not cost a significant factor in 'value'?
"Ignore the con^Wman behind the curtain!"
Well, once I figured out what the LGBT acronym stood for I wondered exactly the same thing.
But, it took me several months to figure it out.
I don't like guacamole, or tomatoes, so thinking it was some kind of 'hip, designer sandwich' like you would get at Starbucks, I never put much effort into researching it.
Why would I want a Lettuce, Guacamole, Bacon, and Tomato sandwich?!?!? Ewww!
Now I know...
And I suppose the National Guard escoring black kids to high school was petty interference too?
I was just curious where this came from. More info please?
Note:
This is not a troll/flame...I actually experienced that very thing during Junior High.Middle school in the late 1960's when they started forcibly desegregating schools.
'Bussing' was what we called the tactic, and I was one of the few 'token whiteboys' they 'bussed' to Malcolm X Middle School[all black school at the time], just outside of Wash. D.C.
Interesting times, those three years...
So I know you are not making that up, just curious about your reference. :-)
Americans of all people should know just how nasty, cruel, and mean-spirited a small community can be.
You said a mouthful there!
My Dad worked for NASA, and we got moved around a lot!(by High School, I had lived in eight different states.
If I had a dollar for everytime I would hear:"you ain't from around here, are you?", as I was being surrounded or cornered, I could easily retire. (well, I think I would rather they be Euros, or Canadian Dollars!-)
...they've already voted (that's what a condenses means)...
I think you might want to check a dictionary. That word does not mean what you think it means.
Voting won't change physics, no matter how some groups try.
The better buildings have stairs right next to the elevators.
No, No, No. A thousand times, No.
The buildings having stairwells next to the elevator are trading a lot of structural strength for lazy people. These buildings are not as structually sound as when the stairwells are away from the elevator shafts.
There was a lot of engineering thought and experience with past disasters that results in few buildings being built with stairwells near elevator shafts.
No, the numbers would be the same. If you want to 'game the statistics' and change history, you may be able to pull that off, but I don't see how.
All of the numbers I listed were for total US citizen deaths, with no respect towards combat/soldier deaths. Just total USA citizens with no bias towards 'military personnel deaths'. Strictly deaths of USA citizens. If you want to 'game the system' in your favor, you could add somewhere around 10,000-30,000 US to the list, but those are/would be either MIA, or 'unaccounted for'
What it 'would have been' is beside the point. That has no change/bearing on the actual facts and statistics. That is all speculation and fantasy/fiction.
What If my Aunt had balls, she would be my Uncle...What If a frog had wings, it would not have to bruise it's ass getting around.....Are you picking up the pattern yet, or do I need to take you by the hand and lead you on to understanding?
*What is your point?
Really, WTF?
Are you attempting the 'Chewbacca Defense' for some unseen purpose?
"What if" arguments are great for philosophy in an academic environment, but lack interest everywhere else....except online forums!-)
Did you miss the part where I acknowledged that the US did not enter WW1 until 1917? I even made a note of the post being on the 92nd Anniversary date.
How obtuse are you trying to be?
"What if", indeed!
Ubuntu is releasing 9.04 on 23 April, 2009.
May 5th, Bah!!! RC, for something not available to 'the unwashed masses'?
GNU/Linux FTW!!1111!!!
Hint: use sarcasm/tongue-in-cheek filter, YMMV.
*note: Mod's will miss this and I will get modded down to oblivion anyhow*
Heh! Heh! Heh!
You decide: Troll, Flamebait, Offtopic, an experiment, stupid rant, or mindless rambling, or is it a filter for my fan/foe lists?
Push the boundaries past 'Knee-Jerk' reactions. If you did not get this far, you are a part of the problem.
Call Orkin.
Bonus ++ 'old fart' points if you remember the TV commercials!![Hint: 'older than dirt']
Oh, 'Get off my lawn!'
and
'Turn that crap down!'
Did I get that right?
This:
In my country it is voluntary or forced for certain crimes...
and this:
There is definitely no coercion or strong selling, but having said that, the lure of cigarettes turn hardened criminals in to teddy bears.
...make me have to ask which country are you live in. It is not obvious to me from either post where you are from. :-)
I'm just curious, no troll or flaming intended. Really, just curious.
BTW, I also wondered about 'Voluntary' as did 'bargainsale (1038112)', but you are completlyon-target, and correct.
Yes, he apparently is using/spelling the word correctly.
From the link:
Etymology
From Middle English *voluntarie - Old French volontaire - Latin voluntarius ("'willing, of free will'") - voluntas ("'will, choice, desire'") - volens, ppr. of velle ("'to will'"). [...]Derived terms
* voluntarily
That one also tripped my grammar flag and my spel czekker, so I checked. :-)
BTW, I was going to reply to an earlier post of yours when that side tracked me.
LOL! That was well done, sir. [see below]**
From earlier...It made me think. *ouch!*
**
Funny how all three of us close cousins seem to be in a neck to neck race to the bottom. You pull ahead, then at the next turn, we pull ahead...ad nauseam. Australia, obviously is the third. My northern, Canadian cousins seem to be in the race also. Just wondering why, mind you...WTF?!?!?
Do /.ers have any suggestions about what I can do to fight this, or good ways to raise awareness?
Burn down the Capital.
Doesn't matter whose, yours or mine. (if you go for mine, I'll help)
signed,
a US Patriot
On a serious note, I don't have a good answer for you...we're up to our ears with the same alligators.
I think it needs to start with massive copyright law reform. Until it gets back to sane levels, this can never be resolved.
The Pirate Bay, of course!
Well, that breaks down when the FAA tries to take over control of one of the Navy's designated area of operations. When that happens, the FAA will lose, and rightfully so.
You can't have civilian flights in weapons testing ranges etc....
That already sounds too much like Chuck:
[from the link]
Bragging rights aside, if I were to announce my clearance, that indicates that I may have access to information that someone may want, which could put myself, my family, my friends, and my neighbors at risk.
The waters are muddier than that. More often the reasons for something/position being classified carry no such risks. They can, but those are in a minority.
Example:
1976-77 I worked at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, in the NTTF** building. I had to hold a Top Secret clearance while working there.
The reason? Some of the parts in my work area were classified.
I was a Logistics Technician, in the Logistics Dept., Yes, basically nothing more than a parts man working behind the parts counter.
The classified equipment?
Some bit of electronics that were encased in gold sheetmetal, called Gold Bricks. They were part of the satellite tracking control system, and kept locked up. I had no access without a dept. supervisor to unlock them for me.
They were not classified due to the technology, they were classified due to their cost. They ranged from several hundred-thousand dollars apiece to several million apiece.
Hear! Hear!
Anytime I run across it, I immediately move on.
If it's an e-mail, it goes straight to the deleted folder-I don't even bother reading it.
I had a boss once that thought it would be 'cool' to use Comic Sans for his e-mail font. I would see the font, delete it and go on. After about a week of this(they kept coming more frequently as the week progressed), he comes by and asks if I got his e-mail.
I told him, "yeah, but seeing the font, I thought you were just forwarding some comic or joke. I don't have time for that."
It turns out I was not the only one by far. About half of us were doing the same. He changed his font promptly.
It's easy to argue over the weather, farmers have been arguing about weather for centuries.
Whether or not weather has anything to do with fonts is debatable, however.
Is he related to Yahoo Serious?
I saw him in a movie once...
You can't be serious.
That would be like asking Google to bail out the sinking Titanic with an eyedropper.
Why don't we have NASA pull Mars in closer so it will be easier to go with the Mars Mission.
Now I remember why I marked you 'foe'. Too stupid for words.
This means streaming services. pay a monthly fee and gain unlimited access to all the music you want.
Already been tried, and failed completely.
Have you already forgotten the whole "Plays For Sure" debacle?
People do not want locked into a 'rent your music' plan.
They want the freedom to do what they want with it once they get it, and the media cartels want to kill that freedom, and keep control of the media exclusively and forever.
While that would be cool, Google would be foolish to get into this without being dragged into it. The big difference is Google being based in the USA would be staring down the barrel of US Media Cartel's BFG 9000 and their bought Gov't.
TPB being in Sweden has a little more wiggle room against US copyright, until WTO and ACTA kill the sovereignty of USA's trade partners and make us all one big happy global consumer under the Corporate America Umbrella.
Hah! Think the world is in turmoil now with nationalistic conflicts?
Wait about 20-30 years the way things seem to be heading and see the mess the Corporate Wars cause. The world is slowly turning into one big Cyberpunk game, with no way to pick up your dice and go home.
Sorry for the rant-still getting my coffee down! :-)
I guess I'm "willfully obtuse" because I don't see a "huge difference" here.
No, you're not, and there is not a "huge difference", as you recognize.
Your 'problem' is that when Big Media Cartel hands you a glass of their 'wonderful koolade', you recognize it as the goat piss it is.
Reform copyright laws back to sane levels, and most of this crap will just disappear. The insanity of copyright is the driving force behind TPB and similar outfits.
Space sails? That's so low tech.
It's obvious we need deflector dishes and shields.
Star Trek has taught us that much!
I lose no sleep over it.
However I could not work for the auto industry, which is responsible for 102 deaths per day in the USA.(2008)
On average, automobiles have been responsible for 44,000 deaths per year for the past 34 years for a total of 1,491,922 deaths since 1974 in the USA.
One and a half million.
That's more than twice the number of USA citizens killed than all of the wars/conflicts we have been in since joining into World War 1.
In one third the time[34 years], automobiles have killed twice as many USA citizens as 92** years of war.
If you think I'm just pulling numbers out of my ass, I did check. You can do your own research if you care, but here is the bulk of numbers(they are all US deaths for that conflict, not just soldiers, but includes civilians):
WW1= 117,465
WW2= 418,500
Korea= 35,516
Vietnam= 58,159
Gulf War= 279(half-134 were accidents)
Afghanistan= 636
Iraq War= 4,522(includes 249 contractors?)
Total= 635,437
(I did not bother with our little field trips to Panama and Grenada)
Skip the argument that cars were not deliberately designed as weapons platforms like the Predator C is. It does not change the facts that cars easily kill more Americans than wars do. The numbers don't lie: 34 years of cars= 1,491,922 dead Americans, versus 635,437 from 92 years of war.
**Today is the anniversary of US Congress' voting in Declaration of War- April 17, 1917
The F4? are you seriously truting out the F4? I don't know about you, but the rest of us are talking about modern warfare. the F4 hasn't even been produced for over 25 years.
No, that was not his point. I also immediately thought of the F-4...strictly a missile platform, no guns. And every air to air combat pilot that flew them bitched about no guns until they got them.
Or maybe this will get his point across:
Those that ignore history, are doomed to repeat it.
Ask any fighter pilot that has combat experience(air to air) how they would feel about removing the guns from their fighters, leaving only missiles for air to air.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but technology has change.
Well thank you Captain Obvious.
I've had the good fortune to have rode in both an F-4, and an F-15. Changes in tech? Yeah, so? Happens all of the time.
For the point he was making, the F-4 was the perfect example to use.