To the best of my recollection, when it became Mandriva, the basic install was free($), but you had to pay for anything else, including updates and patches.
I was still exploring the whole GNU/Linux thing, and it was not something I had made my mind up enough to actually buy it, when all of the other equally interesting(at least to me) distro's out there were not doing this.
Well, I think that if you bothered to check outside of/., my point still stands about Win 8.
If that's not the case, the why is MS backpedaling so fast on the UI? (8.1, and many news outlets all saying the same)
Outside of slashdot, I have not heard any good things about Win 8 from people that have ended up with it. Every single person that I have talked to (face to face) has HATED it, and I have helped most of them 'upgrade' (their term, not mine) their pc's to either Win 7, or some flavor of GNU/Linux.
...you'll be on Linux running on touch with an external mouse.
NO! Apparently you failed to actually read/comprehend my comment. What part of "I will go back to pencil and paper" was so confusing? If touchscreens become unavoidable on my desktop PC, I will no longer use one. Period. Is that clear enough for you?
I personally don't see your future happening in my lifetime, so I'm not losing any sleep over this issue. If I am wrong about that, so be it, I will chalk it up as another fad that came and went, no problem. I was in my early 20's when I first saw a PC, and wasn't until my mid 30's that I actually owned one. I can do without one if need be, and can consider it a passing fad. I don't HAVE to have one, many people do not.
They are just a convenience for me, when they become an inconvenience(touchscreens), then I'll easily drop it like a hot potato.
I don't think your non-native English is the problem here. English is my native language, and despite my above average reading comprehension skills, I have essentially the same questions about what the article was trying to say.:-)
Don't lose sleep over this, it was just an exceptionally poorly written article.
Well, all I can say is that I hope your version of the 'direction should be' never comes to pass.
I despise touchscreens with a passion, and will refuse to use them when I have a choice. When I don't have a choice, it is a one time thing, because I won't use that same thing ever again.
If I can't have a keyboard, then I'll go back to pencil and paper.(mouse optional, but handy)
From all of the negative feedback on Win 8, it's obvious I am not alone, but maybe more passionate than the average on this subject.
Yes, I fondly recall Mandrake. I think I tried ver 6 or so and stuck with it until it became Mandriva.
And yes, you are remembering correctly about the choices for the GUI. I think somewhere around ver7 I discovered KDE, and liked it so much that I have stuck with KDE as my favorite DE for GNU/Linux.
Yes, let us NOW close the barn doors after the cats have escaped.....that will stop the cats from escaping!
From my view(USA), the U.K. seems to be following in our footsteps with afterburners engaged.
I remember when everyone was claiming computers would make life easier. LOL! Paperless offices FTW! (don't misunderstand; I like computers and networks, but from the beginning, I have always questioned the implementation of them as it occurred...one of the reasons why I don't own a cell phone, and studied networking so I could protect some of my privacy, just as I studied driving a vehicle before driving)
The cat is out of the bag/barn door, the best thing for the gov't.s involved is to admit it and make acceptable changes, but don't hold your breath waiting.
The question now is: Do we fight this crap, or grease up our bungholes and take like a good consumer?(we are no longer citizens or customers...just livestock consuming the crap corp.'s and their bitches(gov't) shovel out.
If you use the term 'consumer' for anything outside of eating and drinking, or physically using something to depletion, then you are part of the problem by accepting this crap.
Consume various media? I have NEVER eaten or drank an music or video file, I've watched/listened to them, and THEY ARE STILL THERE! So I could not have consumed them.
This may seem like an offtopic rant, but the brainwash mentality is what makes this crap work.
We have gotten into a mindset from this tactic that makes this shite easier to swallow, because we get used to swallowing shite. We have forgotten how to find out for ourselves, we WANT the 10 second soundbite because we are too busy swallowing the shite, to fit in with our shite swallowing peers.
I personally am too old, broken down, and poor to start the needed coup, but will gladly join in if it ever happens.
Here in the USA 20 years ago, if what happened under Bush jr.'s reign happened then, I would have started(or at least attempted) another revolution...strictly out of patriotic feelings for the oath I took to defend the Constitution of the USA, and Dubya and company would have been first against the wall to be shot as a traitor to the Constitution I pledged to uphold against enemies foreign and domestic.
Apparently, my peers are happy to have the following generations buggered, and now it's showing up.
In retrospect, I would include Obama and co. for not doing away with all of Bush/Cheney's constitutional violations.
As it stands, I will do everything within my power and ability to train and educate the younger generations to combat this crap.
Note to self: Quit posting when drinking!
I meant everything above, but focus and eloquence decline severely when drinking!
Apologies if I sound like some butthurt old geezer, but I am one, due to the 'War on Drugs', 'War on terrorism', War on this', War on that', alcohol is my only outlet short of ending up on the evening news as some nutjob taken out by the local SWAT Team.:-)
OK, now all of you all, get off my lawn! *chugs bottle of Geritol*
Go ahead and see how well you do making a mountain of marbles. (hint: explore "angle of repose")
On a serious note, that radiation is fairly well known, and can be filtered out I assume.(I could be wrong)
Also, I am assuming that cosmic radiation may have different characteristics than underground(known?) radiation. At least that is what I gathered from TFA.
Disclaimer: While astrophysics is a hobby interest, I am by no means an astrophysicist. If this comment lowers your IQ, I apologize.:-)
Why are we applying our ridiculous, counter-productive calvinistic morality to pet comfort and pain relief?
Because the dog might enjoy the high, and not go to heaven? (sarcasm) IIRC, there is no mention of animals going to heaven, but I could be wrong about that.
The "You're either with us, or you're the enemy" mentality predominately displayed strikes me as completely opposite of what Christianity is about.
It seems to be a 'with us, or against us' binary choice. I honestly don't see much difference in Christianity and Islam. Both seem to follow the same rhetoric, just using different terms.
Blame the 'moral majority' is the answer to you question. They are trying to drag us all into their version of what I call hell.
Disclaimer: There are some exceptions I've experienced to my delight, but they are overwhelmed by the above stated behavior of the majority I have encountered.
Good that your wife stuck through to the end and made it! It's a tough row to hoe.
...the reality is that veterinarians as a whole are great people who truly love animals...
Very true, they DEFINITELY are not in it for the money, as there is none. (generalized statement-there will always be exceptions)
I don't know the current statistics, but 1990-1995 approximately 30-35% of human medical students were veterinary med school washouts.
Vet med is hard, and does not pay near as well as human medicine, so you really have to want to help animals to be a vet.
I have a vet med degree, worked in the field for several years, then went back to construction due to the low pay.
We can't care much for each other on this planet(human and other animals), but we like our material goods so much that we destroy everything and everyone around us to acquire them to show the surviving ones how important we are. Shame on us....
Now that you mention it, as far as PETA is concerned, I would announce I was experimenting on animals WHOLESALE scale....just to lure them into the killing zone of the ambush...claymores and willy pete FTW!
I wouldn't actually do any experiments on animals, but I would not mind treating PETA with a dose of their own medicine. I have no animosity towards other animal rights groups that I have heard of.
BTW, shampooing dogs? Meh....I shampoo mountain lions just for entertainment!;-)
A bit of hyperbole from us both, but in your case not by much, I'll admit.
The teeth cleaning bit is NOT a scam. The bacteria species that commonly reside in a canine mouth eventually migrate into the bloodstream via the gum line and LOVE to set up camp in the valves of the heart. The valves will then start malfunctioning.
So not cleaning your dog's teeth is a good way to shortening your dog's life from heart disease.
When I was in med school (I am a state certified veterinary technician), when we had a surgery lab, if the dog's teeth were NOT cleaned after surgery while the dog was recovering from anesthesia, you failed the lab.
Most people will not pay to have their dog anesthetized just for a teeth cleaning, so ANY surgery that is done, teeth cleaning is also done(in my experience at, no charge) because it is so important.
Three things you should plan on with a dog: 1.) Get them vaccinated properly. 2.) Heartworm prevention (the heartworm larvae are transmitted via mosquito bites, migrate to the bloodstream by TUNNELING through precious Fido's body, the camp out in the heart chambers to mature) 3.) Regular teeth cleaning (my personal recommendation is once a year, or at least once every two years)
Those three plus the usual common sense stuff like: good food, plenty of fresh water, comfortable lodging, and loving companionship all are an excellent ROI for you and your four legged pal.
The rest of the stuff you described sounds like quackery though, glad you found a good vet.
BTW, don't take my word for it, find someone you trust that's a vet or vet tech, and ask them about the teeth cleaning, or educate yourself. It is not hidden or secret knowledge.
So, your saying that Senator Obama was responsible for the formation and implementing the TSA when Bush jr. was the President?
Hint for the uninformed: The TSA was put in place by a Republican George Bush jr., during the first of his two terms in office.
I marked you foe NOT because I'm an Oama fan, but because I see you as too stupid to even describe in words, and because of the whole TSA, PATRIOT Act, DHS, and all of the other unconstitutional crap turning me fiercely anti-Republican.
Bush jr. and company all need to be lined up against the wall and shot for the traitors they are. And while we're at it, Obama and co. can join them for not correcting this crap.
Yeah, I thought about that after I hit the submit button. (I normally only use GNU/Linux)
Along with all of the toolbars, changing search engines, and giving you a new "home" page, that happens with most 3rd party software installs anymore, confuses the issue even more.
I really have no idea how anyone could produce accurate stats on this.
I don't know that an insurance co.'s site would be a good example here.
I have several sites I have to access that I cannot use anything but IE to visit them and do my business.
I think it would depend on the ins. co. correctly implementing standards to be a valid source of data for this discussion.
IMHO, all of the browser stats are biased in some way. Too many of the stats come from niche or specialized websites. I would think somewhere like google search to be a better place to gather stats for this.
'The Mighty Buzzard' is also in Oklahoma, and his comment was 100% accurate and truthful.
Hardly anyone uses 'snow tires' here in OK, they are a waste of money.
OK does not get snow very often, when we do, it rarely lasts more than a day or two.
What we have to worry about is ice storms. Winter/snow tires will not help you on ice, so we(just as The Mighty Buzzard suggested), just slow the fuck down until the roads are clear.
I moved from PA to OK in 1990, and the winters here are totally different than they were in PA. I have seen significant snowfall here only twice since I moved here. (significant >3" snowfall)
Ice storms? Every winter!
Now I will admit that the traffic anywhere in OK is probably less that in Atlanta, but I can counter with 'common sense' scales up well.
I have been using Open Office for 12 years or so now, and I have absolutely zero reason to go back.
Same here, but for 16 years.
Another added bonus you did not mention: There is usually better backwards compatibility opening older MS.doc files with Open Office and Libre Office, than there is with newer versions of MS Office.
I can't count the number of times(and people) that have come to me with.doc files they recieved that they could not open with their version of MS Office, I successfully opened with Open Office. I would then save as '.doc' in OO, they could then open that file with their version of MS Office. They sometimes (on VERY rare occasions) would have to fix some small format issues, but they could easily fix those when they could not even open them before.
IMHO, this kind of stuff is unacceptable for a gov't., and I would love to see a global mandate that required all official doc's to be in an open format. I won't hold my breath waiting, but I can hope and wish!:-)
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To the best of my recollection, when it became Mandriva, the basic install was free($), but you had to pay for anything else, including updates and patches.
I was still exploring the whole GNU/Linux thing, and it was not something I had made my mind up enough to actually buy it, when all of the other equally interesting(at least to me) distro's out there were not doing this.
Am I the only one who feels that's absurd?
No, I share that 'absurd' feeling about the amount of disc space that Windows wants for an install.
In my case with Win 7, it wanted 40GB free space for the install. That's crazy!
I can install most(if not all) modern GNU/Linux distro's on one of my spare 4GB USB thumbrives, and have a lot of space left.
Well, I think that if you bothered to check outside of /., my point still stands about Win 8.
If that's not the case, the why is MS backpedaling so fast on the UI? (8.1, and many news outlets all saying the same)
Outside of slashdot, I have not heard any good things about Win 8 from people that have ended up with it. Every single person that I have talked to (face to face) has HATED it, and I have helped most of them 'upgrade' (their term, not mine) their pc's to either Win 7, or some flavor of GNU/Linux.
NO!
Apparently you failed to actually read/comprehend my comment.
What part of "I will go back to pencil and paper" was so confusing?
If touchscreens become unavoidable on my desktop PC, I will no longer use one. Period.
Is that clear enough for you?
I personally don't see your future happening in my lifetime, so I'm not losing any sleep over this issue.
If I am wrong about that, so be it, I will chalk it up as another fad that came and went, no problem.
I was in my early 20's when I first saw a PC, and wasn't until my mid 30's that I actually owned one.
I can do without one if need be, and can consider it a passing fad. I don't HAVE to have one, many people do not.
They are just a convenience for me, when they become an inconvenience(touchscreens), then I'll easily drop it like a hot potato.
I don't think your non-native English is the problem here. :-)
English is my native language, and despite my above average reading comprehension skills, I have essentially the same questions about what the article was trying to say.
Don't lose sleep over this, it was just an exceptionally poorly written article.
Well, all I can say is that I hope your version of the 'direction should be' never comes to pass.
I despise touchscreens with a passion, and will refuse to use them when I have a choice.
When I don't have a choice, it is a one time thing, because I won't use that same thing ever again.
If I can't have a keyboard, then I'll go back to pencil and paper.(mouse optional, but handy)
From all of the negative feedback on Win 8, it's obvious I am not alone, but maybe more passionate than the average on this subject.
Yes, I fondly recall Mandrake. I think I tried ver 6 or so and stuck with it until it became Mandriva.
And yes, you are remembering correctly about the choices for the GUI. I think somewhere around ver7 I discovered KDE, and liked it so much that I have stuck with KDE as my favorite DE for GNU/Linux.
I like your style. :-)
Can I subscribe to your newsletter?
Although I would suggest a paralytic like curare, so the 'cheap dates' can encounter the full experience and not pass out.
Yes, let us NOW close the barn doors after the cats have escaped.....that will stop the cats from escaping!
From my view(USA), the U.K. seems to be following in our footsteps with afterburners engaged.
I remember when everyone was claiming computers would make life easier. LOL! Paperless offices FTW!
(don't misunderstand; I like computers and networks, but from the beginning, I have always questioned the implementation of them as it occurred...one of the reasons why I don't own a cell phone, and studied networking so I could protect some of my privacy, just as I studied driving a vehicle before driving)
The cat is out of the bag/barn door, the best thing for the gov't.s involved is to admit it and make acceptable changes, but don't hold your breath waiting.
The question now is:
Do we fight this crap, or grease up our bungholes and take like a good consumer?(we are no longer citizens or customers...just livestock consuming the crap corp.'s and their bitches(gov't) shovel out.
If you use the term 'consumer' for anything outside of eating and drinking, or physically using something to depletion, then you are part of the problem by accepting this crap.
Consume various media?
I have NEVER eaten or drank an music or video file, I've watched/listened to them, and THEY ARE STILL THERE! So I could not have consumed them.
This may seem like an offtopic rant, but the brainwash mentality is what makes this crap work.
We have gotten into a mindset from this tactic that makes this shite easier to swallow, because we get used to swallowing shite. We have forgotten how to find out for ourselves, we WANT the 10 second soundbite because we are too busy swallowing the shite, to fit in with our shite swallowing peers.
I personally am too old, broken down, and poor to start the needed coup, but will gladly join in if it ever happens.
Here in the USA 20 years ago, if what happened under Bush jr.'s reign happened then, I would have started(or at least attempted) another revolution...strictly out of patriotic feelings for the oath I took to defend the Constitution of the USA, and Dubya and company would have been first against the wall to be shot as a traitor to the Constitution I pledged to uphold against enemies foreign and domestic.
Apparently, my peers are happy to have the following generations buggered, and now it's showing up.
In retrospect, I would include Obama and co. for not doing away with all of Bush/Cheney's constitutional violations.
As it stands, I will do everything within my power and ability to train and educate the younger generations to combat this crap.
Note to self: Quit posting when drinking!
I meant everything above, but focus and eloquence decline severely when drinking!
Apologies if I sound like some butthurt old geezer, but I am one, due to the 'War on Drugs', 'War on terrorism', War on this', War on that', alcohol is my only outlet short of ending up on the evening news as some nutjob taken out by the local SWAT Team. :-)
OK, now all of you all, get off my lawn!
*chugs bottle of Geritol*
Go ahead and see how well you do making a mountain of marbles.
(hint: explore "angle of repose")
On a serious note, that radiation is fairly well known, and can be filtered out I assume.(I could be wrong)
Also, I am assuming that cosmic radiation may have different characteristics than underground(known?) radiation.
At least that is what I gathered from TFA.
Disclaimer: While astrophysics is a hobby interest, I am by no means an astrophysicist. If this comment lowers your IQ, I apologize. :-)
Why are we applying our ridiculous, counter-productive calvinistic morality to pet comfort and pain relief?
Because the dog might enjoy the high, and not go to heaven? (sarcasm)
IIRC, there is no mention of animals going to heaven, but I could be wrong about that.
The "You're either with us, or you're the enemy" mentality predominately displayed strikes me as completely opposite of what Christianity is about.
It seems to be a 'with us, or against us' binary choice.
I honestly don't see much difference in Christianity and Islam. Both seem to follow the same rhetoric, just using different terms.
Blame the 'moral majority' is the answer to you question. They are trying to drag us all into their version of what I call hell.
Disclaimer:
There are some exceptions I've experienced to my delight, but they are overwhelmed by the above stated behavior of the majority I have encountered.
Good that your wife stuck through to the end and made it! It's a tough row to hoe.
Very true, they DEFINITELY are not in it for the money, as there is none. (generalized statement-there will always be exceptions)
I don't know the current statistics, but 1990-1995 approximately 30-35% of human medical students were veterinary med school washouts.
Vet med is hard, and does not pay near as well as human medicine, so you really have to want to help animals to be a vet.
I have a vet med degree, worked in the field for several years, then went back to construction due to the low pay.
We can't care much for each other on this planet(human and other animals), but we like our material goods so much that we destroy everything and everyone around us to acquire them to show the surviving ones how important we are. Shame on us....
On a serious note:
Don't feed your dog chocolate, or give your cat Tylenol...both are toxins for the respective species.
(I don't have mod points, so please accept this as a 'virtual' +1 funny in lieu)
Now that you mention it, as far as PETA is concerned, I would announce I was experimenting on animals WHOLESALE scale....just to lure them into the killing zone of the ambush...claymores and willy pete FTW!
I wouldn't actually do any experiments on animals, but I would not mind treating PETA with a dose of their own medicine. I have no animosity towards other animal rights groups that I have heard of.
BTW, shampooing dogs? Meh....I shampoo mountain lions just for entertainment! ;-)
A bit of hyperbole from us both, but in your case not by much, I'll admit.
The teeth cleaning bit is NOT a scam.
The bacteria species that commonly reside in a canine mouth eventually migrate into the bloodstream via the gum line and LOVE to set up camp in the valves of the heart. The valves will then start malfunctioning.
So not cleaning your dog's teeth is a good way to shortening your dog's life from heart disease.
When I was in med school (I am a state certified veterinary technician), when we had a surgery lab, if the dog's teeth were NOT cleaned after surgery while the dog was recovering from anesthesia, you failed the lab.
Most people will not pay to have their dog anesthetized just for a teeth cleaning, so ANY surgery that is done, teeth cleaning is also done(in my experience at, no charge) because it is so important.
Three things you should plan on with a dog:
1.) Get them vaccinated properly.
2.) Heartworm prevention (the heartworm larvae are transmitted via mosquito bites, migrate to the bloodstream by TUNNELING through precious Fido's body, the camp out in the heart chambers to mature)
3.) Regular teeth cleaning (my personal recommendation is once a year, or at least once every two years)
Those three plus the usual common sense stuff like: good food, plenty of fresh water, comfortable lodging, and loving companionship all are an excellent ROI for you and your four legged pal.
The rest of the stuff you described sounds like quackery though, glad you found a good vet.
BTW, don't take my word for it, find someone you trust that's a vet or vet tech, and ask them about the teeth cleaning, or educate yourself. It is not hidden or secret knowledge.
So, your saying that Senator Obama was responsible for the formation and implementing the TSA when Bush jr. was the President?
Hint for the uninformed:
The TSA was put in place by a Republican George Bush jr., during the first of his two terms in office.
I marked you foe NOT because I'm an Oama fan, but because I see you as too stupid to even describe in words, and because of the whole TSA, PATRIOT Act, DHS, and all of the other unconstitutional crap turning me fiercely anti-Republican.
Bush jr. and company all need to be lined up against the wall and shot for the traitors they are.
And while we're at it, Obama and co. can join them for not correcting this crap.
This has the potential to save many marriages!
Oh, my bad...this is /.
What was I thinking? *scurries back to basement
Wait a minute!
You may be on to something with that.
Maybe this explains all the dupes on /.
I haven't noticed you here in a while, Hello!
Yeah, I thought about that after I hit the submit button. (I normally only use GNU/Linux)
Along with all of the toolbars, changing search engines, and giving you a new "home" page, that happens with most 3rd party software installs anymore, confuses the issue even more.
I really have no idea how anyone could produce accurate stats on this.
Maybe if we asked the NSA nicely? ;-)
I don't know that an insurance co.'s site would be a good example here.
I have several sites I have to access that I cannot use anything but IE to visit them and do my business.
I think it would depend on the ins. co. correctly implementing standards to be a valid source of data for this discussion.
IMHO, all of the browser stats are biased in some way.
Too many of the stats come from niche or specialized websites.
I would think somewhere like google search to be a better place to gather stats for this.
But, I'm not a web developer, so what do I know?
"Yo, dawg! I heard you like....
Nah, it's just to easy.
What's wrong with this picture?
How much time do you have? How long is your attention span? Did you bring food?(this could take a long time)
I guessed you were asking a rhetorical question and already know some/most of the answers, so I did not elaborate.
If that was a serious question, reply back and I will try my best for you; if not, just ignore my stirring of the puddle. :-)
Not in Oklahoma where I live.
'The Mighty Buzzard' is also in Oklahoma, and his comment was 100% accurate and truthful.
Hardly anyone uses 'snow tires' here in OK, they are a waste of money.
OK does not get snow very often, when we do, it rarely lasts more than a day or two.
What we have to worry about is ice storms. Winter/snow tires will not help you on ice, so we(just as The Mighty Buzzard suggested), just slow the fuck down until the roads are clear.
I moved from PA to OK in 1990, and the winters here are totally different than they were in PA.
I have seen significant snowfall here only twice since I moved here. (significant >3" snowfall)
Ice storms? Every winter!
Now I will admit that the traffic anywhere in OK is probably less that in Atlanta, but I can counter with 'common sense' scales up well.
It was obvious that it was meant to be:
'Silicon Brains that think as fast as a fly (can smell)'
Now the questions I have are:
"How well can it smell?"
or
"Just how good or bad can they smell?" (as in 'like a bed of roses', or a skunks ass?)
Note to TFA's submitter and /. editors:
There was(and still is) very good reasons for the inclusion of punctuation as part of the English language.
LOL! /..
That is the funniest comment I've seen here today on
A tip of the hat to you, Immerman....my thanks for a well needed laugh.
I have been using Open Office for 12 years or so now, and I have absolutely zero reason to go back.
Same here, but for 16 years.
Another added bonus you did not mention:
There is usually better backwards compatibility opening older MS.doc files with Open Office and Libre Office, than there is with newer versions of MS Office.
I can't count the number of times(and people) that have come to me with .doc files they recieved that they could not open with their version of MS Office, I successfully opened with Open Office. I would then save as '.doc' in OO, they could then open that file with their version of MS Office. They sometimes (on VERY rare occasions) would have to fix some small format issues, but they could easily fix those when they could not even open them before.
IMHO, this kind of stuff is unacceptable for a gov't., and I would love to see a global mandate that required all official doc's to be in an open format. I won't hold my breath waiting, but I can hope and wish! :-)
You took the time to look at that image, got confused, then posted a worthless comment.
In that same amount of time and effort, you could have RTFA (it's very short) and had the answers to your questions.
Talk about stupid and lazy....
And no, I will not answer your questions and further enable/contribute to this phenomenon of posting stupidity instead of RTFA.