I've been lusting after one of these for ages, but the WAF (wife acceptance factor - or girlfriend, significant other - whatever) keeps it in fantasy land. "what? another computer, and the company is out of business?..."
From the parent:"By moving to Intel, Apple has ensured that all but the most die hard Mac developers will soon stop making Mac applications."
My point was, Anybody making Mac apps now has no reason to discontinue making them. I know that is what the checkbox is for, and I cant believe any emulation runs at "full native speed". Close maybe, depending on the task, but not full speed, and certainly slower on the more complicated tasks.
I dont use and have no desire to use any "windows" apps... whatever that means. I use mac native apps (final cut studio, motion, soundtrack etc) Adobe CS, Cinema 4D and Maya - for major apps - very little else. You may mean games... or M$ office, but Im not a gamer and though I have office, I havent used it since I started trying out star office/open office (mostly I just use InDesign or Illustrator and recently iwork, ilife). For what I, and most people I know - there isn't anything else to need, not counting some shareware, plug-ins, utilities and god bless Radio lover. Thats not everyone but its a decent crossection of Macusers.
Developers spent more time previously porting to Mac than they will need to now, it's only a checkbox, and nobody wants to pump out a product that will be seen as "second rate" vs. other apps where the developer simply took a few minutes (checkbox) extra. And for such a small effort, who wouldn't want their previously windows only app to run properly on a box that doesnt go down with the associated windows issues?
Business stays in business by finding more and newer business -not by refusing to participate in an emerging market. If I were a developer I would see this as a new market, an opportunity to make a move, not something to shy from. Its almost easier to see the opposite of what you say happening, more developers starting to write for the Mac - because its simple, because they can and because it can pay.
Agreed. I went to InDesign at 2.0/OSX.2 and have never had - or wanted to look back, at home or at work. Quark has not functionally changed since 3.2, it just became more bloated. It took them until 6.0 to get multple undo - something they avoided seemingly out of spite... I never think about Quark anymore except to troubleshoot someones crappy file or share a bitter laugh over their registration/licensing process.
I remember attending a conference for graphics professionals (not Macworld?, at Javits Center in New York, but the name escapes me...) and the Quark guy came onstage and said that PCs were the future and they weren't going to make an OSX upgrade for Mac - they didn't believe Apple was "fully commited to a new OS" and soon they would simply release 5.5 for OS9- basically everybody got up to leave (200 something or more people - this was a Mac crowd after all) about four people remained and they turned out to be journalists.
The next day Quark had about 20 people giving out pamphlets saying that sure, 5.5 would be for OS9 but the rest was a mis-quote... and they were working on a OSX version. This was when apple alrerady had OS10.2 released! I haven't touched Quark voluntarily since 4.1
I don't know who you work for or where you are (EUR 500.00..?) but in NYC every advertising house I know of runs at least MDDs, mostly G5 duals - all OSX. Its been YEARS since I last had to work on OS9... OK, where I work is grand and they can afford it but I also have friends in the invesment banking industry - all G5, all OSX.
I don't know why you can't make the switch - you could even use indesign - its better than Quark... Your people are just scared to switch. I saw it happen countless times (snivle, "but it's different"!) now of course they ALL LOVE IT.
Use of "Photoshop, XPress, Illustrator, FreeHand, Acrobat, all using *lots* of fonts and *huge* images" are not impediments to upgrading.
re Intel: I am still going to buy a new Pbook this summer but I really feel strange about the th ewhole Intel deal.
This is not about you. It's not about him either. He runs a security company that helps others. He does this on laptops in the field over other peoples/companies networks. He sees 100's of problems started by other people and he has to fix them - hardware and software. Thats why he's an expert - His job is to save someone else's ass and in doing so he may compromise his own gear.
You don't work in a graphics related field, do you? Page layout or 3d work with room for palettes on a vertical format? The landscape screen format is the more flexible of the two - thats why it's still in use.
I'm a graphic artist and I have a 15" Apple PB which is as portable as it is convenient. If I want screen space and greater power I have the G5 desktop with 21" dual monitors.
But a 19" Dell? Portable?
Sorry, no.
Every Dell laptop I've ever seen (up to 14-15") has been a 2" thick ugly black slab of plastic that weighed 3 times more than my PB and had half the battery life... I have no desire to give myself a hernia trying to move a 19" (9-10 lbs?) monster to do 2-3 hrs of work. The 17" Dells are 7.5-8-5 lbs-according to Dell but they've felt heavier to me in the field, esp if you need to carry a backup battery.
The idea of a 19" "portable desktop" is a bad idea as far as I'm concerned.
Gamers seem to be the obvious candidates for this. They're the only people I've seen who are fanatical enough to lug a thing like this around - and they can plug in. Even the 17" PB is at the far reaches of portable (6.9lbs), and those I know who got one - and have to carry it around - wish they got the 15" PB instead. The weight's not worth the screen estate. CAD guys I know will hate (DO hate) the (lack of) battery life. Same for tablets.
M$ is the biggest due to corporate usage -The massess are not going to switch until the systems they work with on a daily basis do. Peolple buy M$ because thats what they use at work. Familiarity and fear.Fear of the unknown and of being "left out". Period.
Linux isn't "harder" and Mac is still out on the fringe of what people will commit their dollars to.
They will remain huge in the same way that Mcdonalds, Starbucks, Nike, and General Motors stay huge. Omnipresence. People just wont commit their hard earned money to something new - experimental. America loves the overdog.
Now, if a few mega-corps switch - then others will follow and the backlash could be huge for M$ because nobody would switch back. Thats the big M$ fear. Once people see the light.
The Longhorn demo was so lame he is attempting to distract readers by unearthing this dead horse. "Longhorn is a trainwreck but OSX is not going to exist as you know it in a year anyway..."
There are always just enough DIY/case mod/"macs are too expensive I could build a better box for $37!!" people out there to give this traction. Not going to happen but its a real fantasy for alot of people.
Think about it - what does Apple gain? 2.7mghz G5 vs. 3.8mghz intel? Nothing there... Pissing off software companies/developers by flushing several years of investment in OSX? Nothing there either...
Unfortunately, with our current administration that "enthusiasm and can-do attitude towards space" has been replaced by "enthusiasm and can-do attitude towards enriching a select few by pillaging oil and other natural resources from nations on the other side of this earth..." Oh, and don't forget the tax breaks for the people who "engineered" this monumental feat!
Ahh well, it was nice while it lasted...
Now if he used the actual small bender from think geek and put a macmini inside I'd be impressed...
"Forget this ugly black plastic case -Im going to build my own computer case, and its going to have hookers and blackjack and beer and windows longho... awwww forget the computer..."
With what I've seen of CS 2 - Adobe is incorporating Flash elements into Illustrator and After Effects into Photoshop. At the time I thought "sheesh - Adobe is going after Macromedia and motion graphics in a big way... wish they'd develop stand alone apps instead of bloating up Pshop and Illus..."
But now this... alas. 3D, animation and motion into Illustrator - when is enough enough? They could have just made the bezier tool in Photoshop as good as the Illustrator tool and made motion and 3D stand alone. Now there are more useless "features" I have to learn (that I won't use) just to be able to say "I know Illustrator and Photoshop"
sheesh... ever hear of the JMZ? the train that actually goes over the williamsburg bridge? why are all you other new yorkers sniveling about the L being the one and only... walk a couple of blocks and take the JMZ. you'll like it, its senic, a great view over the bridge... ok the towers are gone but still...
the jmz connects to the 456 and the NRQW at canal, get ya anywhere ya wanna go.
The L is so much better than it was 7 years ago when I first got to w'burg, half hour waits... as for your come lately friends and the "hipsters" who cant figure out the JMZ line or a car service... thats their problem.
"As long as I could keep the songs after Ive cancelled my subscription, if I choose to do so in the future, I'd most likely subscribe to a service like this for a long time."
Is this a rhetorical staement or are you under the impression that this is what the Napster service is or what they are planning to do?
If so you're missing the point - YOU DO NOT GET TO KEEP THE SONGS. YOU DO NOT OWN THE SONGS. In a subscription service YOU WILL NEVER GET TO KEEP THE SONGS. That's the point of their buisiness model and their DRM.
This is getting to be like an apple thread where people would mention over and over that they are waiting for an X86 port of OSX or a cheaper, say, $500 Mac (oops, lost that excuse...)
If you think your model is such a great idea, why dont you start a company and give it a shot?
Because it hasn't worked and won't work. itune sells at $.99 per song and makes the tinyest profit after a couple of years... you think $14 per month for thousands of songs per subscription/month is even worth the time you took to post?
I cant wait for all the suckers to go out and sign up for Napster (sic) then start whinning about how f*scked up their files are either because of the M$ DRM or a hardware issue and now "their" music is "gone". Lets just hope said snivelling doesn't make it to/.
For starters, try the classified sections of the major audiophile magazines like Stereophile or The Absolute Sound.
Depending on where you live, check out the local hi-fi shop. If the shop carries tube gear, they or a known customer might be interested in the lot - easier for you that way.
there's always ebay...
good luck
Engineers at HP, Dell, etc. design/spec their machines the same way Apple does. The company then buys the components and pays some factory somewhere to assemble it. It should work because they designed it to work, made working prototypes and have the crappy M$ software to test it with. It's not DIY on a massive scale.
Apple does it the same way. The hardware engineers have the same access to Mac OS that the HP guys have to M$ and its their job to get it to work.
If the PC engineers aren't spec'ing out the right parts or the assembly factory substitutes non-spec parts (QC?) then you have a point. Unless you're saying that these companies intentionally design and use suspect parts that may or may not be compatible with each other or the intended software and then do not test it to make sure it all works as intended. That goes for the component manufacturers as well. Are they intentionally making a product that will not work within known M$ parameters?
PC manufacturers build their machines the same way Apple does (in Taiwan or somewhere, in many of the same factories) and if it doesn't work then its bad design or poor manufacturing.
To say "Apple builds..." isn't accurate. They don't "build" anything.
To say "most PC hardware is saddled with crappy M$ software" is accurate? Yes.
As for Adobe, the point was that they get their software to run on multiple machines, brands, OSs, CPUs, graphics cards etc because it's designed, engineered, and tested more rigorously than M$. It doesn't happen by accident. Would it be possible to make a version of Photoshop or Acrobat that ran on ATI but not on Nvidia? Sure. Good idea? No...
And if people continue to buy hardware and or software that doesn't work for whatever reason when there are viable alternatives then they can't complain much.
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I've been lusting after one of these for ages, but the WAF (wife acceptance factor - or girlfriend, significant other - whatever) keeps it in fantasy land. "what? another computer, and the company is out of business?..."
ah, life is made out of little trade-offs...
From the parent:"By moving to Intel, Apple has ensured that all but the most die hard Mac developers will soon stop making Mac applications."
My point was, Anybody making Mac apps now has no reason to discontinue making them. I know that is what the checkbox is for, and I cant believe any emulation runs at "full native speed". Close maybe, depending on the task, but not full speed, and certainly slower on the more complicated tasks.
I dont use and have no desire to use any "windows" apps... whatever that means. I use mac native apps (final cut studio, motion, soundtrack etc) Adobe CS, Cinema 4D and Maya - for major apps - very little else. You may mean games... or M$ office, but Im not a gamer and though I have office, I havent used it since I started trying out star office/open office (mostly I just use InDesign or Illustrator and recently iwork, ilife). For what I, and most people I know - there isn't anything else to need, not counting some shareware, plug-ins, utilities and god bless Radio lover. Thats not everyone but its a decent crossection of Macusers.
Developers spent more time previously porting to Mac than they will need to now, it's only a checkbox, and nobody wants to pump out a product that will be seen as "second rate" vs. other apps where the developer simply took a few minutes (checkbox) extra. And for such a small effort, who wouldn't want their previously windows only app to run properly on a box that doesnt go down with the associated windows issues?
Business stays in business by finding more and newer business -not by refusing to participate in an emerging market. If I were a developer I would see this as a new market, an opportunity to make a move, not something to shy from. Its almost easier to see the opposite of what you say happening, more developers starting to write for the Mac - because its simple, because they can and because it can pay.
Linux is a different issue
Agreed. I went to InDesign at 2.0/OSX.2 and have never had - or wanted to look back, at home or at work. Quark has not functionally changed since 3.2, it just became more bloated. It took them until 6.0 to get multple undo - something they avoided seemingly out of spite... I never think about Quark anymore except to troubleshoot someones crappy file or share a bitter laugh over their registration/licensing process.
I remember attending a conference for graphics professionals (not Macworld?, at Javits Center in New York, but the name escapes me...) and the Quark guy came onstage and said that PCs were the future and they weren't going to make an OSX upgrade for Mac - they didn't believe Apple was "fully commited to a new OS" and soon they would simply release 5.5 for OS9- basically everybody got up to leave (200 something or more people - this was a Mac crowd after all) about four people remained and they turned out to be journalists.
The next day Quark had about 20 people giving out pamphlets saying that sure, 5.5 would be for OS9 but the rest was a mis-quote... and they were working on a OSX version. This was when apple alrerady had OS10.2 released! I haven't touched Quark voluntarily since 4.1
I don't know who you work for or where you are (EUR 500.00..?) but in NYC every advertising house I know of runs at least MDDs, mostly G5 duals - all OSX. Its been YEARS since I last had to work on OS9... OK, where I work is grand and they can afford it but I also have friends in the invesment banking industry - all G5, all OSX.
I don't know why you can't make the switch - you could even use indesign - its better than Quark... Your people are just scared to switch. I saw it happen countless times (snivle, "but it's different"!) now of course they ALL LOVE IT.
Use of "Photoshop, XPress, Illustrator, FreeHand, Acrobat, all using *lots* of fonts and *huge* images" are not impediments to upgrading.
re Intel: I am still going to buy a new Pbook this summer but I really feel strange about the th ewhole Intel deal.
This is not about you. It's not about him either. He runs a security company that helps others. He does this on laptops in the field over other peoples /companies networks. He sees 100's of problems started by other people and he has to fix them - hardware and software. Thats why he's an expert - His job is to save someone else's ass and in doing so he may compromise his own gear.
Its more complex than you stated.
You don't work in a graphics related field, do you? Page layout or 3d work with room for palettes on a vertical format? The landscape screen format is the more flexible of the two - thats why it's still in use.
I'm a graphic artist and I have a 15" Apple PB which is as portable as it is convenient. If I want screen space and greater power I have the G5 desktop with 21" dual monitors.
But a 19" Dell? Portable?
Sorry, no.
Every Dell laptop I've ever seen (up to 14-15") has been a 2" thick ugly black slab of plastic that weighed 3 times more than my PB and had half the battery life... I have no desire to give myself a hernia trying to move a 19" (9-10 lbs?) monster to do 2-3 hrs of work. The 17" Dells are 7.5-8-5 lbs-according to Dell but they've felt heavier to me in the field, esp if you need to carry a backup battery.
The idea of a 19" "portable desktop" is a bad idea as far as I'm concerned.
Gamers seem to be the obvious candidates for this. They're the only people I've seen who are fanatical enough to lug a thing like this around - and they can plug in. Even the 17" PB is at the far reaches of portable (6.9lbs), and those I know who got one - and have to carry it around - wish they got the 15" PB instead. The weight's not worth the screen estate. CAD guys I know will hate (DO hate) the (lack of) battery life. Same for tablets.
Plus - I'm an apple guy - so, sorry Dell.
M$ is the biggest due to corporate usage -The massess are not going to switch until the systems they work with on a daily basis do. Peolple buy M$ because thats what they use at work. Familiarity and fear.Fear of the unknown and of being "left out". Period.
Linux isn't "harder" and Mac is still out on the fringe of what people will commit their dollars to.
They will remain huge in the same way that Mcdonalds, Starbucks, Nike, and General Motors stay huge. Omnipresence. People just wont commit their hard earned money to something new - experimental. America loves the overdog.
Now, if a few mega-corps switch - then others will follow and the backlash could be huge for M$ because nobody would switch back. Thats the big M$ fear. Once people see the light.
Thurott=FUD
The Longhorn demo was so lame he is attempting to distract readers by unearthing this dead horse. "Longhorn is a trainwreck but OSX is not going to exist as you know it in a year anyway..."
There are always just enough DIY/case mod/"macs are too expensive I could build a better box for $37!!" people out there to give this traction. Not going to happen but its a real fantasy for alot of people.
Think about it - what does Apple gain? 2.7mghz G5 vs. 3.8mghz intel? Nothing there... Pissing off software companies/developers by flushing several years of investment in OSX? Nothing there either...
We are men of action, lies do not become us...
Kawaiiiii! Guess I know what the girlfriend is going to want for her birthday... sigh. The new 15" Pbook finds yet another obstacle.
Geek girlfriends kill you one accessory at a time.
Unfortunately, with our current administration that "enthusiasm and can-do attitude towards space" has been replaced by "enthusiasm and can-do attitude towards enriching a select few by pillaging oil and other natural resources from nations on the other side of this earth..." Oh, and don't forget the tax breaks for the people who "engineered" this monumental feat! Ahh well, it was nice while it lasted...
Now if he used the actual small bender from think geek and put a macmini inside I'd be impressed...
"Forget this ugly black plastic case -Im going to build my own computer case, and its going to have hookers and blackjack and beer and windows longho... awwww forget the computer..."
With what I've seen of CS 2 - Adobe is incorporating Flash elements into Illustrator and After Effects into Photoshop. At the time I thought "sheesh - Adobe is going after Macromedia and motion graphics in a big way... wish they'd develop stand alone apps instead of bloating up Pshop and Illus..."
But now this... alas. 3D, animation and motion into Illustrator - when is enough enough? They could have just made the bezier tool in Photoshop as good as the Illustrator tool and made motion and 3D stand alone. Now there are more useless "features" I have to learn (that I won't use) just to be able to say "I know Illustrator and Photoshop"
sheesh... ever hear of the JMZ? the train that actually goes over the williamsburg bridge? why are all you other new yorkers sniveling about the L being the one and only... walk a couple of blocks and take the JMZ. you'll like it, its senic, a great view over the bridge... ok the towers are gone but still...
the jmz connects to the 456 and the NRQW at canal, get ya anywhere ya wanna go.
The L is so much better than it was 7 years ago when I first got to w'burg, half hour waits... as for your come lately friends and the "hipsters" who cant figure out the JMZ line or a car service... thats their problem.
Oh man thats a great list! Thank you for the barrage of imagery...
SCO insn't an "enemy", it's the plucky comic relief...
"As long as I could keep the songs after Ive cancelled my subscription, if I choose to do so in the future, I'd most likely subscribe to a service like this for a long time."
/.
/end rant
Is this a rhetorical staement or are you under the impression that this is what the Napster service is or what they are planning to do?
If so you're missing the point - YOU DO NOT GET TO KEEP THE SONGS. YOU DO NOT OWN THE SONGS. In a subscription service YOU WILL NEVER GET TO KEEP THE SONGS. That's the point of their buisiness model and their DRM.
This is getting to be like an apple thread where people would mention over and over that they are waiting for an X86 port of OSX or a cheaper, say, $500 Mac (oops, lost that excuse...)
If you think your model is such a great idea, why dont you start a company and give it a shot?
Because it hasn't worked and won't work. itune sells at $.99 per song and makes the tinyest profit after a couple of years... you think $14 per month for thousands of songs per subscription/month is even worth the time you took to post?
I cant wait for all the suckers to go out and sign up for Napster (sic) then start whinning about how f*scked up their files are either because of the M$ DRM or a hardware issue and now "their" music is "gone". Lets just hope said snivelling doesn't make it to
They gave Elektro "bellows for smoking", no mention about "funnel for beer" though, then put him in soft-core porn...
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Bender would be so proud! His grandpa was a sexy smoking robot! (blueprint:http://davidszondy.com/future/robot/el
M$ may not be idiots but they are evil and Bill is the devil... ;)
SPIEGEL: But your small competitor Apple, for example, is much less frequently a victim of virus attacks ...
... put so sweepingly, that is not correct.
/ 20 05/02/04/notes020405.DTL&type=printable
Gates:
Gates:"I have also over years donated quite a bit to charitable causes. For this, I am quite admired."
Does a good job dodging bullets and letting his hubris show is more like it... Less frequent but extant Mac virus attcks?
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/g/a
why does windows suck? (/rant)?
"There are worries the list might contain names of active security agents, still working abroad."
"There are worries..."?
There's an understatement.
For starters, try the classified sections of the major audiophile magazines like Stereophile or The Absolute Sound.
Depending on where you live, check out the local hi-fi shop. If the shop carries tube gear, they or a known customer might be interested in the lot - easier for you that way. there's always ebay... good luck
Engineers at HP, Dell, etc. design/spec their machines the same way Apple does. The company then buys the components and pays some factory somewhere to assemble it. It should work because they designed it to work, made working prototypes and have the crappy M$ software to test it with. It's not DIY on a massive scale.
Apple does it the same way. The hardware engineers have the same access to Mac OS that the HP guys have to M$ and its their job to get it to work.
If the PC engineers aren't spec'ing out the right parts or the assembly factory substitutes non-spec parts (QC?) then you have a point. Unless you're saying that these companies intentionally design and use suspect parts that may or may not be compatible with each other or the intended software and then do not test it to make sure it all works as intended. That goes for the component manufacturers as well. Are they intentionally making a product that will not work within known M$ parameters?
PC manufacturers build their machines the same way Apple does (in Taiwan or somewhere, in many of the same factories) and if it doesn't work then its bad design or poor manufacturing.
To say "Apple builds..." isn't accurate. They don't "build" anything.
To say "most PC hardware is saddled with crappy M$ software" is accurate? Yes.
As for Adobe, the point was that they get their software to run on multiple machines, brands, OSs, CPUs, graphics cards etc because it's designed, engineered, and tested more rigorously than M$. It doesn't happen by accident. Would it be possible to make a version of Photoshop or Acrobat that ran on ATI but not on Nvidia? Sure. Good idea? No...
And if people continue to buy hardware and or software that doesn't work for whatever reason when there are viable alternatives then they can't complain much.