Yes, thank you. It was a hypothetical example. I used it because Appleworks is just SO crappy, but I would still use it over a Windows version of Office unless I really had to. I doubt that there would be that big a quality gap in most cases, which would make me even less likely to pick the Windows emulation.
No kidding. Before I bought my Mac, I had a machine that dual-booted Linux and Windows. I only used Windows for my digital camera, which at the time had no drivers for Linux (that I could find). I wound up not using the camera much, because it was just such a PITA to boot into Windows and back.
You do realize you're not saying anything that hasn't been claimed by several hundred people already, don't you?
And here's my answer: Show me an app that I have to run under Windows emulation and a slightly inferior one that's native to OS X, and I'll buy the native one. Plain and simple. The fact that the other one runs in Windows brings it down enough that small inferiorities in the native app are balanced out.
Why?
Because I own a Mac because I like using OS X and don't like using Windows. What would be the point in even having a Mac if everything had to be run under Windows? Just to use iPhoto? Please.
My personal guess is that there are plenty of Mac users who feel the same way. Yes, Mac users are a pretty small segment of the computer using population, so maybe some companies would rather lose them altogether than deal with them. But they could have done that long ago if they were going to do it.
You're assuming they have a choice between buying OS X for $150 and d/l pirated OS X for free. Right now, Apple is saying no one will have that choice - so even if someone gets it running on non-Mac PCs, it will be a choice between spending several hundred (at least) on a Mac and the pirated version. People who might be willing to spend $150 may not be willing to spend $500 on a mini.
Wow, somebody actually talking some sense. The reason Windows has spread like pirated wildfire isn't because people are downloading illicit torrents. It's people borrowing the CD that came with their friend/relative/neighbor's new computer when it's time to upgrade instead of buying a new one themselves. Heck, I did the same thing to upgrade from OSX 10.1 to 10.2.
You'll never be able to do that with a Mac, unless Apple specifically decides to let you. If my mom wanted to switch to OS X, it would never occur to her to search through some P2P network for a hacked version of the OS, plus lots of drivers and things. She'd ask to borrow my or my sister's disc, and when we say it won't work on her computer, she'd wait til she's ready to buy a new computer and get a Mac.
Sure, a few dozen people will have a geek friend who will put it on their machine for them. But it won't be enough people for Apple to worry about.
People keep saying that better ability to run Windows apps in OS X will "stifle development"... What people don't seem to get is that Mac users use Macs because they like the OS. Given the choice between running something on an Windows emulator and running an OS X-native application that is similar but doesn't have quite as many features, I'll take the slightly subpar native app any day. As long as it's not missing something I can't live without, being OS X native will more than make up for it.
If I had to choose between Office and Appleworks? That'd be a toughie, since Appleworks is a piece of crap. Even then, I'd probably have to run into something I just couldn't do in Appleworks before I'd shell out the money for an emulated Office. Any less of a difference in quality, I'd take the native app in a second.
Just once I'd like to hear "Hey man, it's really not fun for me when you do that. Could you please try another tactic?"
Actually, I have heard that. When I figured out how to use some particular move in Soul Calibur over and over again to defeat just about anyone in under 30 seconds. They (my hallmates in my dorm) nearly kicked me out of the tournament.
Huh. Weren't Yahoo auctions free back in the day? The day being, oh, 97, 98 or so? Interesting that they went to fees then went back again.
Or maybe I'm mixing them up with some other free auction service... Back around that time, there were one or two that were actually possible competitors for eBay, but eBay overtook them all.
I have to say I doubt your experience is unique. I'm a grad student, and another student in my office had a few textbooks to sell. A third student suggested she use Amazon over eBay, and she sold 3 out of the 4 books within a day. I was amazed. I've never tried it, but I sure will next time!
There is one site I've wanted to join for a while that wouldn't believe you had cookies turned on if you weren't using IE. I hear they've fixed it recently, so I may go back and try again.
My school's homepage for web mail, registration, etc used to give you a "Unsupported browser, but click here if you're sure you want to try it anyway" message using Firefox (though not with Safari). Which was weird for a few reasons - 1. Firefox is installed with a desktop icon on EVERY machine in every lab on campus, 2. Mozilla was on the list of "supported browsers", just not firefox, and 3. It works perfectly fine in Firefox. They finally fixed that about a month ago.
Of course, you can also be busted for child pornography for an image that never harmed any child. One that was doctored to be pornographic, for instance. It just has to be pornographic and involve an image of a child, the child themself didn't have to be involved in the making of the pornography.
. . . Well, the average Tiger user will also never use the developer toolkit that came with the OS, but that doesn't stop Apple from including it, does it? Why does something have to be useful to every user to be released?
But I think it represents something deeper about the differences between Macs and Windows, really. In a Mac, the window is just one piece of the overall program you're running. Closing a window does not quit a program (unless you're running Windows Media Player). In Windows, the window IS the program, and this can be limiting. They've improved it somewhat recently - for instance, I open several Word documents, and they're all in their own self-contained window that can go wherever. But I open several Excel documents, and they're all within the one Excel window. If I want to be able to view them side by side, I've got to expand that window to take up my whole screen and move them around within that window.
I don't think I'm explaining this very well, but do you see what I'm getting at? It's a bigger issue than proximity. I realize that various window managers in unix probably are perfectly capable of treating applications in a more Mac-like manner while putting the menubar in the window, but to me it just makes it feel too Windowsish, which spills over into other issues besides the menu bar.
But then the submitter might have actually had to slightly alter the article text to take that part of the sentence out.
You wouldn't want to make someone put some EFFORT into something, would you? Then it might come close to actually resembling a summary instead of an unattributed quote.
They really need to stop saying "*submitter* writes..." and just put the article's author there.
I can see how that's an issue (though not on my 17" eMac) - but I don't want the solution to be menus inside the windows. That's one of the things I hate about Windows. Having the menu bar at the top of the screen is just so much cleaner, and although I know this is just an illusion it makes me feel like I have more space. Plus, you never have to deal with not all of the menus fitting when you have a small window.
Would this work? Being able to set the menu bar to be on any side of the screen you want - and, if you so choose, to set it to change at a keystroke? Or maybe some other signal using your mouse or something?
I think it's (percent of all attacks originating from that provider) divided by (number of machines on that provider, in millions).
So (making #s up) if AOL is 10% of all attacks, and 100 million machines, they have.1 percent per million. But if Joe's ISP has 5% of all attacks, and only 5 million machines, they have 1.0 percent per million.
AOL has twice as many attacks total, but compared to their user base Joe's rate is ten times as high.
This internet thing sure is good at storing crap for all eternity.
Tell me about it. I have a truly embarrassingly bad Tripod webpage I created in about 1996 that still shows up as one of the first three hits when you Google my name... And since I can't remember my old password and must have given them a fake address, they won't let me delete it. *sigh*
However, the person who drives into incoming traffic at 70mph obviously knows how to drive a car. They just don't know how to use that tool safely and effectively. They turned the car on, got it in gear, found their way to a road - they know how to drive the car. They're just doing something unsafe with it.
Similarly, the person who clicks on random email links knows how to use email, just not how to use it safely and effectively. They got their email just fine, they read it just fine, they obviously know how to use it. They just also happened to do something unsafe while using it.
How does this take away any of your control over your computer?
What it "takes away" is your ability to buy OS X software and install it on a non-Mac computer. Which you can't do right now anyhow. So it's not really being taken away, is it?
It does not (afaik) have any effect on what you can install on the Mac you buy.
CinemaNow does not carry mainstream movies. And the movies they do carry are generally rubbish.
Really? I just glanced around their homepage for a minute, but the movies featured at the top are Phantom of the Opera, Spanglish, Ocean's Twelve, Undertow, Sideways, and Closer. I've never heard of Undertow, but the rest seem pretty mainstream to me, including Oscar nominees (winners? I forget). They were all $4 to rent, which is about on part with Blockbuster etc. I didn't look hard at their rent-to-buy section, but that did seem overpriced at about $20 a movie.
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Yes, thank you. It was a hypothetical example. I used it because Appleworks is just SO crappy, but I would still use it over a Windows version of Office unless I really had to. I doubt that there would be that big a quality gap in most cases, which would make me even less likely to pick the Windows emulation.
No kidding. Before I bought my Mac, I had a machine that dual-booted Linux and Windows. I only used Windows for my digital camera, which at the time had no drivers for Linux (that I could find). I wound up not using the camera much, because it was just such a PITA to boot into Windows and back.
And here's my answer: Show me an app that I have to run under Windows emulation and a slightly inferior one that's native to OS X, and I'll buy the native one. Plain and simple. The fact that the other one runs in Windows brings it down enough that small inferiorities in the native app are balanced out.
Why?
Because I own a Mac because I like using OS X and don't like using Windows. What would be the point in even having a Mac if everything had to be run under Windows? Just to use iPhoto? Please.
My personal guess is that there are plenty of Mac users who feel the same way. Yes, Mac users are a pretty small segment of the computer using population, so maybe some companies would rather lose them altogether than deal with them. But they could have done that long ago if they were going to do it.
You're assuming they have a choice between buying OS X for $150 and d/l pirated OS X for free. Right now, Apple is saying no one will have that choice - so even if someone gets it running on non-Mac PCs, it will be a choice between spending several hundred (at least) on a Mac and the pirated version. People who might be willing to spend $150 may not be willing to spend $500 on a mini.
You'll never be able to do that with a Mac, unless Apple specifically decides to let you. If my mom wanted to switch to OS X, it would never occur to her to search through some P2P network for a hacked version of the OS, plus lots of drivers and things. She'd ask to borrow my or my sister's disc, and when we say it won't work on her computer, she'd wait til she's ready to buy a new computer and get a Mac.
Sure, a few dozen people will have a geek friend who will put it on their machine for them. But it won't be enough people for Apple to worry about.
If I had to choose between Office and Appleworks? That'd be a toughie, since Appleworks is a piece of crap. Even then, I'd probably have to run into something I just couldn't do in Appleworks before I'd shell out the money for an emulated Office. Any less of a difference in quality, I'd take the native app in a second.
Actually, I have heard that. When I figured out how to use some particular move in Soul Calibur over and over again to defeat just about anyone in under 30 seconds. They (my hallmates in my dorm) nearly kicked me out of the tournament.
Or maybe I'm mixing them up with some other free auction service... Back around that time, there were one or two that were actually possible competitors for eBay, but eBay overtook them all.
I have to say I doubt your experience is unique. I'm a grad student, and another student in my office had a few textbooks to sell. A third student suggested she use Amazon over eBay, and she sold 3 out of the 4 books within a day. I was amazed. I've never tried it, but I sure will next time!
My school's homepage for web mail, registration, etc used to give you a "Unsupported browser, but click here if you're sure you want to try it anyway" message using Firefox (though not with Safari). Which was weird for a few reasons - 1. Firefox is installed with a desktop icon on EVERY machine in every lab on campus, 2. Mozilla was on the list of "supported browsers", just not firefox, and 3. It works perfectly fine in Firefox. They finally fixed that about a month ago.
Of course, you can also be busted for child pornography for an image that never harmed any child. One that was doctored to be pornographic, for instance. It just has to be pornographic and involve an image of a child, the child themself didn't have to be involved in the making of the pornography.
? I thought they stopped shipping with OS 9 quite a while ago. Now you just get Classic mode.
Well, yes, if you're referring to the Free Download of the Week. Or the Free Sampler they had a few weeks ago.
. . . Well, the average Tiger user will also never use the developer toolkit that came with the OS, but that doesn't stop Apple from including it, does it? Why does something have to be useful to every user to be released?
I don't think I'm explaining this very well, but do you see what I'm getting at? It's a bigger issue than proximity. I realize that various window managers in unix probably are perfectly capable of treating applications in a more Mac-like manner while putting the menubar in the window, but to me it just makes it feel too Windowsish, which spills over into other issues besides the menu bar.
Lacking mod points, I'll give you a "hear, hear!"
You wouldn't want to make someone put some EFFORT into something, would you? Then it might come close to actually resembling a summary instead of an unattributed quote.
They really need to stop saying "*submitter* writes..." and just put the article's author there.
Would this work? Being able to set the menu bar to be on any side of the screen you want - and, if you so choose, to set it to change at a keystroke? Or maybe some other signal using your mouse or something?
So (making #s up) if AOL is 10% of all attacks, and 100 million machines, they have .1 percent per million. But if Joe's ISP has 5% of all attacks, and only 5 million machines, they have 1.0 percent per million.
AOL has twice as many attacks total, but compared to their user base Joe's rate is ten times as high.
Tell me about it. I have a truly embarrassingly bad Tripod webpage I created in about 1996 that still shows up as one of the first three hits when you Google my name... And since I can't remember my old password and must have given them a fake address, they won't let me delete it. *sigh*
Perhaps TFA would explain this more clearly if I bothered to read it, but I doubt it.
You shouldn't verb nouns, you know.
Similarly, the person who clicks on random email links knows how to use email, just not how to use it safely and effectively. They got their email just fine, they read it just fine, they obviously know how to use it. They just also happened to do something unsafe while using it.
What it "takes away" is your ability to buy OS X software and install it on a non-Mac computer. Which you can't do right now anyhow. So it's not really being taken away, is it?
It does not (afaik) have any effect on what you can install on the Mac you buy.
Really? I just glanced around their homepage for a minute, but the movies featured at the top are Phantom of the Opera, Spanglish, Ocean's Twelve, Undertow, Sideways, and Closer. I've never heard of Undertow, but the rest seem pretty mainstream to me, including Oscar nominees (winners? I forget). They were all $4 to rent, which is about on part with Blockbuster etc. I didn't look hard at their rent-to-buy section, but that did seem overpriced at about $20 a movie.